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For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« on: September 29, 2012, 02:55:37 PM »
Great little book , a must have .

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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2012, 03:04:35 PM »
thanks Luc!

I'm going to pick up a copy asap.
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 04:47:01 PM »
Luc, you bought the book in Brazil?
Adam, with your plant interests i suggest a crash course in Portuguese. Actually i should do the same thing myself!
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2012, 05:01:15 PM »
I've already learned to read about 60% of Portuguese as long as it's about plants.

I've been translating the pages of websites so much it's rubbed off already.  Pronunciation will be a bog hurdle for me if I try to talk, bu forvo.com has helped with that.

I also type fast enough to be able to quickly hand type each page into a translator.

so going ahead and buying a Portuguese manuscript and personally translating it, can be a lesson all on it's own.

 
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2012, 05:05:24 PM »
There is a really great podcast with Brazilian Portuguese lessons- there are over 200, from beginning to advanced and it is all free.

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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2012, 05:06:13 PM »
I F-ING hate iPhones and autotype.


I'm going to throw my phone into a bog...these touchscreen key pads are a big hurdle.

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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2012, 05:35:00 PM »
Luc, you bought the book in Brazil?
Adam, with your plant interests i suggest a crash course in Portuguese. Actually i should do the same thing myself!

If you can read Spanish, you can understand 90% of Portuguese . I download Brazilian botanical articles all the time. It's EASY for Spanish speakers!
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2012, 06:14:55 PM »
Luc, you bought the book in Brazil?
Adam, with your plant interests i suggest a crash course in Portuguese. Actually i should do the same thing myself!

If you can read Spanish, you can understand 90% of Portuguese . I download Brazilian botanical articles all the time. It's EASY for Spanish speakers!

Yes that's true. But surprisingly their spoken language i was lucky if i got 5% of what they were saying. Their pronounciation is completely different! Big mistake if you think you will get by with spanish in a portuguese (or italian) speaking country!
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 07:20:09 PM »
Luc, you bought the book in Brazil?
Adam, with your plant interests i suggest a crash course in Portuguese. Actually i should do the same thing myself!

If you can read Spanish, you can understand 90% of Portuguese . I download Brazilian botanical articles all the time. It's EASY for Spanish speakers!

Yes that's true. But surprisingly their spoken language i was lucky if i got 5% of what they were saying. Their pronounciation is completely different! Big mistake if you think you will get by with spanish in a portuguese (or italian) speaking country!

Exactly Oscar !! Before I went to Brazil I read some Portuguese texts and said to myself : Hey , no problem I'll get by ....That was till I had to ask directions to take the bus to Lorenzi's place...
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2012, 07:29:05 PM »
Luc, you bought the book in Brazil?
Adam, with your plant interests i suggest a crash course in Portuguese. Actually i should do the same thing myself!

If you can read Spanish, you can understand 90% of Portuguese . I download Brazilian botanical articles all the time. It's EASY for Spanish speakers!

Yes that's true. But surprisingly their spoken language i was lucky if i got 5% of what they were saying. Their pronounciation is completely different! Big mistake if you think you will get by with spanish in a portuguese (or italian) speaking country!

No doubt that their spoken language is virtually incomprehensible to most Spanish speakers.   

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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2012, 12:21:26 AM »
Luc, you bought the book in Brazil?
Adam, with your plant interests i suggest a crash course in Portuguese. Actually i should do the same thing myself!

If you can read Spanish, you can understand 90% of Portuguese . I download Brazilian botanical articles all the time. It's EASY for Spanish speakers!

Yes that's true. But surprisingly their spoken language i was lucky if i got 5% of what they were saying. Their pronounciation is completely different! Big mistake if you think you will get by with spanish in a portuguese (or italian) speaking country!

When I was in Portugal I noticed something weird, people understood me fine when I spoke to them in Spanish, but I didn't understand a word that was said to me
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2012, 01:26:24 AM »
Luc, you bought the book in Brazil?
Adam, with your plant interests i suggest a crash course in Portuguese. Actually i should do the same thing myself!

If you can read Spanish, you can understand 90% of Portuguese . I download Brazilian botanical articles all the time. It's EASY for Spanish speakers!

Yes that's true. But surprisingly their spoken language i was lucky if i got 5% of what they were saying. Their pronounciation is completely different! Big mistake if you think you will get by with spanish in a portuguese (or italian) speaking country!

When I was in Portugal I noticed something weird, people understood me fine when I spoke to them in Spanish, but I didn't understand a word that was said to me

That;s because Portugal borders Spain, and they are probably used to lots of Spanish tourists. You won't have such luck in Brazil!
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2012, 09:36:01 AM »
 Hi,

 Understanding another spoken language is very different from be able to read it,
 because it requires realtime skill. Pronunciation and accent really get's in the way.

 I am a native Portuguese speaker and I understand spoken English rather well.
 However,  it will depend on how it deviates from the "reference" that I am used to hear.
 People with strong accents, like Scotts and people from India, will  sometimes make it
 very hard for me to understand what they are saying. I am simply not trained enough
 to parse that format.

 What has been said above is not surprising, the majority of Brazilians even have problems
 understanding spoken European Portuguese. In Portugal, we do not have any trouble
 with Brazilian Portuguese. The last two generations have grown watching Brazilian TV programs, so
 the accent and the local idiomatic expressions are well known to us, including the use of
 Tupi/Guarani derived words. The reverse did and does not happen, and on the rare occasion
 that something originating here gets to Brazilian TV, the use of subtitles is not unheard of!
 The two countries have been diverging for more than two centuries. Today, we the advent of the Internet,
 it is easier to have both groups of speakers exposed to the same content and gap will get narrower over time.

 Spanish is also easily understood for pretty much the same reason. Portugal is small and narrow.
 Spanish TV transmissions would reach a significant portion of the country. Before cable and subscription TV,
 watching Spanish was a great way to complement the limited choice of national TV channels.

 The rule seems to be that small countries have porous cultural borders. People from large countries
 are more shielded from exposure to other languages and have little need to seek the knowledge.

 The good news is that pointing and smiling a lot is a very effective language barrier breaker.  ;D
 

 
 
 
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2012, 11:42:02 AM »
Hi,

 Understanding another spoken language is very different from be able to read it,
 because it requires realtime skill. Pronunciation and accent really get's in the way.

 I am a native Portuguese speaker and I understand spoken English rather well.
 However,  it will depend on how it deviates from the "reference" that I am used to hear.
 People with strong accents, like Scotts and people from India, will  sometimes make it
 very hard for me to understand what they are saying. I am simply not trained enough
 to parse that format.

 What has been said above is not surprising, the majority of Brazilians even have problems
 understanding spoken European Portuguese. In Portugal, we do not have any trouble
 with Brazilian Portuguese. The last two generations have grown watching Brazilian TV programs, so
 the accent and the local idiomatic expressions are well known to us, including the use of
 Tupi/Guarani derived words. The reverse did and does not happen, and on the rare occasion
 that something originating here gets to Brazilian TV, the use of subtitles is not unheard of!
 The two countries have been diverging for more than two centuries. Today, we the advent of the Internet,
 it is easier to have both groups of speakers exposed to the same content and gap will get narrower over time.

 Spanish is also easily understood for pretty much the same reason. Portugal is small and narrow.
 Spanish TV transmissions would reach a significant portion of the country. Before cable and subscription TV,
 watching Spanish was a great way to complement the limited choice of national TV channels.

 The rule seems to be that small countries have porous cultural borders. People from large countries
 are more shielded from exposure to other languages and have little need to seek the knowledge.

 The good news is that pointing and smiling a lot is a very effective language barrier breaker.  ;D

Siafu, thanks for your very detailed explanation on the subtleties between these languages and variants. I work with quite a few Brazilian translators and had heard that there were major differences between European and Brazilian Portuguese.


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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2012, 11:49:10 AM »
anyone else growing Peritassa campestris?

man they're so slow for me!
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2012, 12:43:50 PM »
Funny how one topic can lead to a totally different discussion...Let's talk peritassa campestris!
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2012, 12:53:59 PM »
anyone else growing Peritassa campestris?

man they're so slow for me!

Had one. Suffered the Cerrado curse...
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2012, 01:27:02 PM »
Some photos of my 3 small peritassa campestris seedlings.

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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2012, 01:42:28 PM »
turned yellow and died during winter?

anyone else growing Peritassa campestris?

man they're so slow for me!

Had one. Suffered the Cerrado curse...
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2012, 04:07:12 PM »
Luc, you bought the book in Brazil?
Adam, with your plant interests i suggest a crash course in Portuguese. Actually i should do the same thing myself!

If you can read Spanish, you can understand 90% of Portuguese . I download Brazilian botanical articles all the time. It's EASY for Spanish speakers!

Yes that's true. But surprisingly their spoken language i was lucky if i got 5% of what they were saying. Their pronounciation is completely different! Big mistake if you think you will get by with spanish in a portuguese (or italian) speaking country!

When I was in Portugal I noticed something weird, people understood me fine when I spoke to them in Spanish, but I didn't understand a word that was said to me

That;s because Portugal borders Spain, and they are probably used to lots of Spanish tourists. You won't have such luck in Brazil!

Brazilian Portuguese is the easiest language to learn for a Spanish speaker -  I minor in Portuguese in college. I had a very difficult time understanding fellow students from Portugal and Azores. Rioplatense Spanish( voseo) has Portuguese influence.... didn't you say you were born in Buenos Aires???

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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2012, 06:34:45 PM »
Saifu,

What is this "cerrado curse" you speak of?

Decline in the fall, death by spring type of thing?
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2012, 06:37:01 PM »
anyone growing eugenia dysenterica?

or anacardiaceae humile?

I want to try anacardiaceae humile in a pot.
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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2012, 06:37:55 PM »
anacardium humile  not anacardiaceae. sorry
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Re: For the Cerrado fruit lovers
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2012, 06:51:11 PM »
anyone else growing Peritassa campestris?

man they're so slow for me!

Had one. Suffered the Cerrado curse...

Idem Sergio .
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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2012, 07:19:31 PM »
Surprisingly and good that not all Cerrado plants have " the curse " , Alibertia edulis grows and fruits well but then again this one is not exclusive to the Cerrado .
In other rare fruit groups we have gone over the list of the real tough ones like , mama cadela , cagaita , mangaba etc....
I trust Adam will do the job and let us know what we are doing wrong ....my guess more coffee grounds to keep these plants happy...??
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