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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2014, 12:06:57 AM »
Hi, when should I remove the tape? 1 month? 2 months?

don't remove the tape until the scion has put out a few flushes of growth....

it usually takes about 2 months for me to remove tape...sometimes even longer....(some people just leave the tape on..it's supposed to disintegrate eventually)
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2014, 12:29:53 AM »
Great video, good information, I need to start growing jabo rootstocks.

But by far the best part was the intro and the public domain elevator music.
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #52 on: September 18, 2014, 08:18:48 AM »
Hi, when should I remove the tape? 1 month? 2 months?

don't remove the tape until the scion has put out a few flushes of growth....

it usually takes about 2 months for me to remove tape...sometimes even longer....(some people just leave the tape on..it's supposed to disintegrate eventually)

Fine, I dont think it will take: it's my first graft... but I will wait till it shows some sign. If it fails, maybe I can use the rootstock for another attempt.
I made a graft (the first method, without leaves) of coronata on sabara, the sabara must be 4 or 5 years old. It's in the greenhouse with shadecloth/partial shade.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2014, 04:54:24 PM »
M. dubia on M. vexator...growing very slow...but still growing. (being watered with high pH city water, which is impossible for me with seedling camu camu)


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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2014, 05:30:21 PM »
Don't  buy that Baco knife, it is bevelled on 2 sides, i guess they should call it a budding knife, not a grafting knife.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #55 on: October 13, 2014, 06:10:34 PM »
M. dubia on M. vexator...growing very slow...but still growing. (being watered with high pH city water, which is impossible for me with seedling camu camu)



I was able to keep a M. dubia with CA city water relatively happy. I did use chelated iron from time to time though.
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #56 on: October 13, 2014, 06:13:37 PM »
As informational as this video is, I think the main problem is getting rootstock.  You might consider another video about growing jaboticaba rootstock. Like what types you recommend, how to best grow them for grafting, how to grow up to size quickly (thats what I would consider the biggest hurdle)
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2014, 06:36:39 PM »
As informational as this video is, I think the main problem is getting rootstock.  You might consider another video about growing jaboticaba rootstock. Like what types you recommend, how to best grow them for grafting, how to grow up to size quickly (thats what I would consider the biggest hurdle)

if u need rootstock just ask!  I got em! (have bunches of them)

also....treesnmore might have some too!

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2014, 08:47:48 PM »
good job with the dubia vexator graft cant wait to see how It grows, thats gonna be one versatile plant being able to grow in such wide conditions if it has characteristics of both.

Have you tried m.vexator on m.dubia rootstock.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2014, 09:32:20 PM »
Hey Adam, thanks for the offer, maybe in a couple years when my jabo collection grows out. But actually, a guide to root stocks might be helpful. I'm gonna plant all my sabra seeds next year.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2014, 10:27:44 PM »
M. guaquiea on M. glazioviana rootstock...making it's way out of the bag....i have gradually been tearing them off...now they are almost ready to grow unbagged...after I tear holes in the bag I water them really good to reduce any shock from lack of humidity....and then keep them watered regularly, gradually working them into more sunlight as they grow.


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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2015, 06:05:41 PM »
this little test subject has survived, but has grown super slow (Myrciaria dubia [camu camu], on Myrciaria vexator rootstock).  Graft union looks decent still...I'm curious to see if it picks up the pace, and puts on some real growth.  I'm wondering if the rootstock that i used was somewhat unhealthy?  It could be that the roots were compromised, and that's what stunted the growth....or it could be that grafting onto vexator makes the tree grow very slowly (or even worse they are not compatible at all).




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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2015, 01:21:55 PM »
Hi Adam,

I guess your idea may not be good for international trades, at least for me  >:(.   Nonetheless, I have some queries after watching your video on grafting, hopefully you can enlighten me with some tips. First, you seem to wrap up the scion completely, including over the buds, is it true? Then, the buds would push through the tape, or your buddy tape?  Second, can I do a Clive graft with some leaves cut half?  Third, what is the common ways to dwaft a fruit tree?

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yes you must wrap the entire scion, even the buds that will eventually break through the tape.

the tape must be stretched thinly over the scion, so it can easily break through. 

when i wrap the graft union, i stretch the tape differently, so it's very tight, like a rope.

I use the same tape for everything (buddy tape)...but u can use almost anything to wrap the graft union....just be sure not to let it girdle the tree as it's healing...I always try to remove the tape around the graft union as soon as possible....the tape on the scion can be left on to biodegrade.

yes you can do a cleft with leaves cut in half, but you must bag up the scion, like I did on the second graft in my video (m strigipes on m glazioviana)

you can dwarf a tree by keeping it in a pot sometimes....or you can find a good dwarfing rootstock...quince rootstock is supposed to dwarf loquat...and flying dragon rootstock is supposed to dwarf citrus trees...i'm sure there are dwarfing rootstocks for myrciaria, and annona...and other species...but i don't know which is which at this point...that takes many years of experience...I've only been grafting for about 4-5yrs.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2015, 12:30:57 PM »
have been grafting a few more Camu Camu onto vexator rootstocks..so far, this seems very promising.

I will be interested to see how the growth rate progresses over the year (compared to seedlings).

also, it would be nice to have some city water  :P  I can't believe I'm saying that....but I'd like to trial them out on some high pH water...to see how much the rootstock helps.  For the short time I had my tree at the old location, it was handling city water like a champ...so I'm convinced it will help, but still need to prove it to everyone.

it's still just a dream, but my goal is to see a grove of camu camu in south FL soil, where vexator would thrive, but camu camu wouldn't last six months (without taking drastic measures to correct pH...such as refilling the planting hole with acid soil, or constantly drenching with chelated Fe).
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2015, 04:59:41 PM »
Nice video. Will give it a try when I get some root stocks going.

I liked the production value, and I get encouragement to see I am not the only one who likes to take my seedlings for a walk in the park, although I usually use a stroller.

I suggest next time to over dub it kung fu style, like this  ;D

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #65 on: March 16, 2015, 07:17:59 PM »
here is a grafted M. dubia (on M. vexator rootstock), it's pushing out through the buddy tape.



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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2015, 05:54:16 PM »
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2015, 06:22:26 PM »
Hi, when should I remove the tape? 1 month? 2 months?

don't remove the tape until the scion has put out a few flushes of growth....

it usually takes about 2 months for me to remove tape...sometimes even longer....(some people just leave the tape on..it's supposed to disintegrate eventually)

Adam, I use buddy tape for most my grafting, and use it even for tying the union, I fold the strip in half length wise and then use that as tying tape. What I have found is that after you graft and depending on what you grafted, sometimes the tape causes girdling of the scion. I had that happen to one mango, and 3 stonefruits. Stonefruits actually got decapitated from high winds. Mango I was able to save but I can see how bark was completely cutoff on all sides.

Now, I remove the union tape in 30-60 days depending on how it grew, and lightly wrap it again with Buddy tape to prevent any moisture loss and allow for further healing of the union. Not sure when you remove the nursery tape if you use it for tying the union.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2015, 06:32:19 PM »
Behl

my approach is similar.

i use buddy tape alone sometimes..(but it ends up pissing me off for larger grafts that need to be tied very tight)

for large grafts I like to use green nursery tape

also, rubber bands are good (the ones that are designed for grafting especially) but i never have them at my disposal.

i end up trying to unwrap the union as quickly as possible..it's usually within 30-60 days (rarely within less than 30 days)..but i've killed some rare grafts by unwrapping them when I thought they took...some just take longer than others to heal!



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« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2015, 06:37:54 PM »
I had killed few grafts too. to my surprise mangoes are very naughty and difficult. I have had perfectly green scions preserved scions inside the buddy tape for 9 plus months, when I removed the tape from union, I found blackened union. Buddy tape really seals the moisture in.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #70 on: May 20, 2015, 03:00:11 PM »
it's plinia edulis grafted onto M. trunciflora!

it's been grafted for over 3 yrs, growing slowly, but picking up pace...still very healthy!

I've never been able to graft P. edulis onto M. jaboticaba...but I can graft M. trunciflora onto M. jaboticaba with ease!

so as I've said before, M. trunciflora might be a good interstock for grafting P. edulis onto M. jaboticaba...but it may stunt the plants growth...I have yet to see.

Maybe I will have a better idea in the next 2-3yrs?  :D
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #71 on: June 05, 2015, 12:13:48 PM »
Myrciaria dubia (Camu camu), grafted onto Myrciaria vexator (Blue Jaboticaba), I'm sure this is the first time anyone has documented this type of graft.

this looks very promising so far...although the growth rate is excruciatingly slow.

I will have to check my records, but I believe it's been about 1.5yrs since I grafted this tree, and it hasn't grown more than approx, 8inch of new growth.

still it doesn't seem to have issues with incompatablity (yet), and it definitely helps increase resistance to high pH (and the persistent problems that growers in FL will face with nutrient deficiencies).






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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2015, 10:51:43 AM »
Keep up the great experimentation Adam ;), will make growing some of these challenging jabo varieties easier for all who are interested in future! ;) 8) 

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #73 on: June 07, 2015, 11:14:00 AM »
Keep up the great experimentation Adam ;), will make growing some of these challenging jabo varieties easier for all who are interested in future! ;) 8)

thanks Robert!

just for the record, here are a few grafts that I know I'm the first to successfully attempt in the USA, and possibly the world:

M. dubia onto M. vexator
M. strigipes onto M. glazioviana
M. guaquiea onto M. glazioviana
Plinia edulis onto M. trunciflora

(Eugenia calycina onto E. involucrata)

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video
« Reply #74 on: June 07, 2015, 12:44:37 PM »
Good job man, That blue camu grape looks like its taking well. Thats going to be some interesting fruit.

 

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