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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: jez251 on July 13, 2012, 11:41:35 AM
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Hi Everyone,
These are not the best pics but maybe someone can identify this plat which is now getting a little bigger with all the rain that's come down in South Florida...
(http://s16.postimage.org/8mrnwyvu9/IMG_0375.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8mrnwyvu9/) (http://s16.postimage.org/qe3abfb8x/IMG_0377.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qe3abfb8x/) (http://s16.postimage.org/mvraf1acx/IMG_0379.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mvraf1acx/) (http://s16.postimage.org/b7x8khl81/IMG_0380.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/b7x8khl81/)
Thanks,
Jaime
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looks like chinese jujube
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Now that I think about it, it may be Ziziphus Joazeiro as someone once gave me a seedling of it. So, not too far off with the Chinese Jujube!
Thanks,
Jaime
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ya,
I just looked at pics without enlarging using my phone, so I'm sure it looks a bit different.
now looking at leaf pic enlarged, I think u right...this ain't a common type I've seen
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Hi Jaime,
Juá is a great plant to have in the subtropics 8) I checked out Helton Josué's website to read more about this plant. The tree takes two to four year to produce and the fruits have a strong sweat flavour, with a hint of peanut/orange...sound's yummy ;D
What's really amazing is that the plant is cold hardy till -4ºc/24.8ºf 8) seeds can also remain viable up to a year 8)
Link;
http://frutasraras.sites.uol.com.br/zizipphusjoaz.htm (http://frutasraras.sites.uol.com.br/zizipphusjoaz.htm)
Thanks for sharing :)
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This is an unidentified Artocarpus at the Fruit & Spice Park. Can anyone lend their expertise for identification?
(http://s13.postimage.org/7hr68fgir/IMG_0435.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7hr68fgir/) (http://s13.postimage.org/ht3j13883/IMG_0425.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ht3j13883/) (http://s13.postimage.org/ijw96valf/IMG_0426.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ijw96valf/) (http://s13.postimage.org/4eqg521k3/IMG_0427.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4eqg521k3/) (http://s13.postimage.org/7zmboa63n/IMG_0433.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7zmboa63n/)
I wonder if this one will ripen. It seems too green to be ready, but then again I have very little experience with Artocarpus varieties.
Jaime
Mod edit: fixed spelling
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Very kwai muk looking, though I've never seen one that grotesque. I wonder if it is or a different relative?
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Hi,
Can anyone ID this fruit? It's about 2-3 inches long , very seedy, and with a bland flavor.
(http://s10.postimage.org/bpjxjmlvp/IMG_0431.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bpjxjmlvp/) (http://s10.postimage.org/lo4w63vb9/IMG_0429.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lo4w63vb9/)
thanks,
Jaime
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Artocarpus lakoocha?
-Ethan
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They look a bit like safu.
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Artocarpus lakoocha?
-Ethan
If I remember correctly, Chris from the F&S park mentioned that it was NOT Lakoocha since he has that one at the park. definitely similar, though.
Jaime
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I took a look at safu online and it has one big seed, while this fruit, which has confusingly been called fingerlime, has many flat, dark seeds.
Jaime
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Isn't that what Har's been referring to as Finger-sop?
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It looks a bit different from the wild Meiogyne cylindrocarpa around here but the 'fingersops' from north of here could look like that.A few of us spoke about this species in a thread a few days ago.
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Isn't that what Har's been referring to as Finger-sop?
That is exactly what I was thinking.
What did the plant look like it came off of?
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Looks like a casabanana. Does it grow on a vine?
-C
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I second motion Tim and Mike's answer ;) sure does look like a Finga-soup fruit ;D
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A. rigidus, monkey jak.
-E
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Does look like lakoocha. But the lakoocha doesn't usually have so many lobes on the fruits. Rigidus is not lobed at all Ethan. It looks like a small marang. I don't have rigidus but saw photos on google. Do have lakoocha.
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Must be a fingersop. The casabananas have large seeds and are huge, not 2-3 inches. Where did you get this fruit Jaime? My guess is it came from tree at F&S park?
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(http://s15.postimage.org/x2lkjpqev/lakoocha.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/x2lkjpqev/)
Just looks like a lakoocha to me and not as lobed as many of the best varieties.
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It was a sample fruit at one of the club meetings at the F&S Park. Chris gave a presentation and couldn't quite come up with a name for it other than saying that some people call it fingerlime, name which he didn't like since there is another fruit known by that name.
I did not see the plant it came from so I cannot hazard a guess. Thought it was an interesting looking fruit, yet very bland tasting.
Jaime
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It was a sample fruit at one of the club meetings at the F&S Park. Chris gave a presentation and couldn't quite come up with a name for it other than saying that some people call it fingerlime, name which he didn't like since there is another fruit known by that name.
I did not see the plant it came from so I cannot hazard a guess. Thought it was an interesting looking fruit, yet very bland tasting.
Jaime
Hi Jaime, i don't think fingerlime is an actual name anywhere for that fruit. It was an error made in the CRFG article by Maurice Kong that called it by that name confusing it for the citrus by that name. Apparently there is no common english name in Australia where the fruit was collected by Maurice Kong. It is a type of annona, Meiogyne cylindrocarpa . There was another thread about this fruit with lots of photos.
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You are right Oscar, that is what I get for just browsing pictures and not reading what the picture on google is titled. I still think it is lakoocha, maybe just seedling or climactic influence?
here are some pics of various artocarpus.
http://www.asianplant.net/ (http://www.asianplant.net/)
hmmmm, it wont let me link directly to it so go into it by species and look under moraceae, it list quite a few with pics.
-Ethan
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You are right Oscar, that is what I get for just browsing pictures and not reading what the picture on google is titled. I still think it is lakoocha, maybe just seedling or climactic influence?
here are some pics of various artocarpus.
http://www.asianplant.net/ (http://www.asianplant.net/)
hmmmm, it wont let me link directly to it so go into it by species and look under moraceae, it list quite a few with pics.
-Ethan
9/10 it is lakoocha. Don't think they have any artocarpus much rarer than that at F&S park.
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Took some pics of the inside of the unknown autocarpus. Flavor was pretty much bland, but it may have to do with the fruit being picked early. Put it in a blender with some olosapo and olosapo cousin also from the F&S park. Delicious! Don't know why olosapo fruit isn't more well-liked or well-known.
(http://s9.postimage.org/its6svmez/IMG_0444.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/its6svmez/) (http://s9.postimage.org/v9owmmfqz/IMG_0445.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/v9owmmfqz/)
Jaime
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Took some pics of the inside of the unknown autocarpus. Flavor was pretty much bland, but it may have to do with the fruit being picked early. Put it in a blender with some olosapo and olosapo cousin also from the F&S park. Delicious! Don't know why olosapo fruit isn't more well-liked or well-known.
Jaime
Jaime, as i recall the olosapo fruit from the tree at F&S park was quite fibrous. I've heard there are much better fiber less types in its native Costa Rica/Panama, where it is indeed appreciated.
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I recently did some cleaning up in my backyard and found a few unidentified plants. Any help will be appreciated.
Plant #1
(http://s12.postimage.org/hk7qt04d5/IMG_0521.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hk7qt04d5/) (http://s12.postimage.org/u04gmqxp5/IMG_0522.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/u04gmqxp5/) (http://s12.postimage.org/gx8u3h7h5/IMG_0525.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gx8u3h7h5/)
Plant #2
(http://s12.postimage.org/otxwpg8bd/IMG_0531.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/otxwpg8bd/) (http://s12.postimage.org/afpxjyx3t/IMG_0532.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/afpxjyx3t/) (http://s8.postimage.org/8isdnrfj5/IMG_0533.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8isdnrfj5/)
Plant #3
(http://s8.postimage.org/seod3awkh/IMG_0537.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/seod3awkh/) (http://s8.postimage.org/4c7j8ffxd/IMG_0538.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4c7j8ffxd/) (http://s14.postimage.org/l3qsc1z5p/IMG_0540.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/l3qsc1z5p/)
Plant #4
(http://s14.postimage.org/56s0fc6rh/IMG_0545.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/56s0fc6rh/) (http://s14.postimage.org/ue2wfl9vh/IMG_0547.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ue2wfl9vh/)
Thanks,
Jaime
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plant one,
Bunchosia armeniaca
plant two,
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Plant three
myrcianthes pungens
pant 4
eugenia sp? maybe victoriana?
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I disagree with number two being the questionmark tree. I'd put a few dollars on it being the cucumber tree - parmentiera edulis/aculeata
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I will check my plants vs. your suggestions this weekend... I think the guajilote may be right, the rest I am not so sure. But, you never know...
Thanks,
Jaime
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Plant #1 looks a lot like my little Black sapote plant.
Tomas
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I'm quite certain about the ID of plant one and three!
I have many at my house.
crush the leaves and smell them!
btw, look at the white specks on the bark of plant one! feature is indicative of bunchosia.
also, thorns on tips of myrcianthes pungens, makes it very easy to identify as such.
also, quite certain plant 4 must be Eugenia!
good luck!
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1 could be bunchosia or monkey orange.I am with BMc on 2,I wouldn't brawl with Adam over 3 and 4 looks just like a E.victoriana to me and I have its twin in a pot.
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1 could be bunchosia or monkey orange.I am with BMc on 2,I wouldn't brawl with Adam over 3 and 4 looks just like a E.victoriana to me and I have its twin in a pot.
monkey orange has much different nerves than bunchosia.
anyone wanna bet?
I know I'm right on this one. :)
it's bunchosia armeniaca.
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Hang on Saff.........whoah you are right.I have two species in pots and they indeed have different venation.
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as soon as I say I know I'm right, soon after I notice I'm mistaken.
So I was hesitant to say anything for sure. All I needed was a little doubt to fuel my fire.
Glad u noticed this one is bunchosia.
One time I thought a passion fruit seedling was a canistel seedling (pictured on the forum)!
If you saw this plant in person, you wouldn't have been so easily confused!
Thanks to my mates from Oz who helped me ID a cucumber tree! never heard of it, but seen one before!
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I'm quite certain about the ID of plant one and three!
I have many at my house.
crush the leaves and smell them!
btw, look at the white specks on the bark of plant one! feature is indicative of bunchosia.
Hi Adam, I have another plant labeled as peanut butter fruit and it doesn't look at all like plant #1 which you said, and others agree, is Peanut Butter Fruit.
Here is the labeled one:
(http://s12.postimage.org/z0qcolibt/IMG_0746.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/z0qcolibt/) (http://s12.postimage.org/nqxmtndah/IMG_0744.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nqxmtndah/)
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I disagree with number two being the questionmark tree. I'd put a few dollars on it being the cucumber tree - parmentiera edulis/aculeata
I compared my parmentiera edulis (guajilote) plant with the #2 plant and can see that they are different plants. Here are pics of my guajilote:
(http://s9.postimage.org/5z6xz9jez/IMG_0749.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5z6xz9jez/) (http://s9.postimage.org/gnaoy3te3/IMG_0747.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gnaoy3te3/) (http://s9.postimage.org/s3lp9vwy3/IMG_0748.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/s3lp9vwy3/)
#2 plant
(http://s11.postimage.org/h1vu214dr/IMG_0533.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/h1vu214dr/) (http://s11.postimage.org/qc7y5kf3j/IMG_0531.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qc7y5kf3j/) (http://s11.postimage.org/fry0mzalr/IMG_0532.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fry0mzalr/)
The guajilote has rigid branches and leaves, while the #2 plant has very pliable branches and leaves.
Jaime
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lucky dog,
looks like you may have both b armeniaca, and b argentea.
the pic u just posted looks like the superior b argentea.
thanks for posting.
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try crushing a piece of each leaf and comparing the smell.
I bet they are similar...its like a taste test with your nose!
let me know if u perform this experiment, and if so, what your findings are.
thanks!
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I disagree with number two being the questionmark tree. I'd put a few dollars on it being the cucumber tree - parmentiera edulis/aculeata
I compared my parmentiera edulis (guajilote) plant with the #2 plant and can see that they are different plants. Here are pics of my guajilote:
(http://s9.postimage.org/5z6xz9jez/IMG_0749.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5z6xz9jez/) (http://s9.postimage.org/gnaoy3te3/IMG_0747.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gnaoy3te3/) (http://s9.postimage.org/s3lp9vwy3/IMG_0748.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/s3lp9vwy3/)
#2 plant
(http://s11.postimage.org/h1vu214dr/IMG_0533.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/h1vu214dr/) (http://s11.postimage.org/qc7y5kf3j/IMG_0531.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qc7y5kf3j/) (http://s11.postimage.org/fry0mzalr/IMG_0532.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fry0mzalr/)
The guajilote has rigid branches and leaves, while the #2 plant has very pliable branches and leaves.
Jaime
Jaime, search the species name on line. The zig zagged plant you have must be mis labelled. http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/garden_catalog/cat.cgi?uid=parmentiera_edulis (http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/garden_catalog/cat.cgi?uid=parmentiera_edulis)
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Something is making me want to say Flacourtia...
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Something is making me want to say Flacourtia...
I think you got it, BMc...
It may be Flacourtia rukam, or Flacourtia indica, but my money's on Rukam as I seem to remember having eaten some at the F&S Park and keeping some of the seeds.
Thanks,
Jaime
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try crushing a piece of each leaf and comparing the smell.
I bet they are similar...its like a taste test with your nose!
let me know if u perform this experiment, and if so, what your findings are.
thanks!
Hi Adam,
I tried the crush and smell test and...
The one you say is Bunchosia armeniaca, plant #1, has a smell reminiscent of moringa, a little nutty, while the one I have labeled as PB fruit barely has any smell at all.
Jaime
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But, I'm convinced, nevertheless, that it is Bunchosia Armeniaca or Argentea. The images online are very similar to what I have.
Thanks, Adam.
Jaime
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I disagree with number two being the questionmark tree. I'd put a few dollars on it being the cucumber tree - parmentiera edulis/aculeata
I compared my parmentiera edulis (guajilote) plant with the #2 plant and can see that they are different plants. Here are pics of my guajilote:
(http://s9.postimage.org/5z6xz9jez/IMG_0749.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5z6xz9jez/) (http://s9.postimage.org/gnaoy3te3/IMG_0747.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gnaoy3te3/) (http://s9.postimage.org/s3lp9vwy3/IMG_0748.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/s3lp9vwy3/)
#2 plant
(http://s11.postimage.org/h1vu214dr/IMG_0533.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/h1vu214dr/) (http://s11.postimage.org/qc7y5kf3j/IMG_0531.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qc7y5kf3j/) (http://s11.postimage.org/fry0mzalr/IMG_0532.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fry0mzalr/)
The guajilote has rigid branches and leaves, while the #2 plant has very pliable branches and leaves.
Jaime
Jaime, search the species name on line. The zig zagged plant you have must be mis labelled. http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/garden_catalog/cat.cgi?uid=parmentiera_edulis (http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/garden_catalog/cat.cgi?uid=parmentiera_edulis)
Jaime's plant does look like Parmenteria edulis, guajilote. Adam's plant with less ridging on leaf might be Parmenteria cereifera, candle tree. These two are often confused.
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Now I'm really confused as I finally found a guajilote tree at the F&S Park and those leaves don't look at all like the ones I have:
(http://s10.postimage.org/bovq5bjo5/IMG_0878.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bovq5bjo5/) (http://s10.postimage.org/4aazqon6d/IMG_0876.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4aazqon6d/) (http://s10.postimage.org/s2kb27p79/IMG_0877.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/s2kb27p79/) (http://s10.postimage.org/g38suwjmd/IMG_0875.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/g38suwjmd/) (http://s10.postimage.org/nki0a495h/IMG_0874.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nki0a495h/)
Jaime
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Jaime, keep in mind that mature leaves on trees can sometimes look quite different than juvenille leaves.
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wait wait wait,
just a sec.
the leaves of the tree are opposite from F & S, and alternate on the plant you posted first.
they can't be of the same family
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2nd 4th and 5th are bunchosia, 1st and 3rd look like parmentiera. Check your records. I can even see a withered bunchosia flower spike in pic 4
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Jaime, keep in mind that mature leaves on trees can sometimes look quite different than juvenille leaves.
Yes, Oscar, I did think about that, yet I'm having a hard time making a connection from the leaves on the F&S plant and my plant.
BMc, if the plant or pic numbers you are referring to are the ones I posted on Wed. those are all pics of the same tree.
Jaime
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All the photos that Jaime posted have opposite leaves. Both Parmenteria edulis and Parmenteria cerifera have opposite leaves: http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Bignoniaceae/Parmentiera_edulis.html (http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Bignoniaceae/Parmentiera_edulis.html)
http://herbaria.plants.ox.ac.uk/vfh/image/index.php?item=599 (http://herbaria.plants.ox.ac.uk/vfh/image/index.php?item=599)
Only the photo you posted Adam has alternate leaves, so what you posted cannot be Parmenteria edulis.
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Oscar,
look below, Jez251 posted pics of a tree with alternate leaves...not me.
it was of his plant labeled guajilote...which can't be the same as the one from F&S.
I disagree with number two being the questionmark tree. I'd put a few dollars on it being the cucumber tree - parmentiera edulis/aculeata
I compared my parmentiera edulis (guajilote) plant with the #2 plant and can see that they are different plants. Here are pics of my guajilote:
(http://s9.postimage.org/5z6xz9jez/IMG_0749.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5z6xz9jez/) (http://s9.postimage.org/gnaoy3te3/IMG_0747.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gnaoy3te3/) (http://s9.postimage.org/s3lp9vwy3/IMG_0748.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/s3lp9vwy3/)
#2 plant
(http://s11.postimage.org/h1vu214dr/IMG_0533.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/h1vu214dr/) (http://s11.postimage.org/qc7y5kf3j/IMG_0531.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qc7y5kf3j/) (http://s11.postimage.org/fry0mzalr/IMG_0532.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fry0mzalr/)
The guajilote has rigid branches and leaves, while the #2 plant has very pliable branches and leaves.
Jaime
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OK Adam, i see now it was Jaime who posted it. First photo has alternate leaves and Jaime calls it guajilote, but that can't be right. Second photo could be guajilote as it has opposite leaves. Photo from F&S park without serrated leaves also has opposite leaves and could be parmenteria.
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bMc called it.
it's bunchosia argentea..(plant that's got opposite leaves from F&S.
small white dots on stems make it easy to tell it's bunchosia.
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there's more than one species in the photos.
one looks like bael, with trifoliate leaves.
photos in order....bael, pb fruit, bael, pb fruit, pb fruitNow I'm really confused as I finally found a guajilote tree at the F&S Park and those leaves don't look at all like the ones I have:
(http://s10.postimage.org/bovq5bjo5/IMG_0878.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bovq5bjo5/) (http://s10.postimage.org/4aazqon6d/IMG_0876.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4aazqon6d/) (http://s10.postimage.org/s2kb27p79/IMG_0877.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/s2kb27p79/) (http://s10.postimage.org/g38suwjmd/IMG_0875.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/g38suwjmd/) (http://s10.postimage.org/nki0a495h/IMG_0874.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nki0a495h/)
Jaime
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You could be right Adam. But bael usually has thorns and i don't see any thorns in that first photo.
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(http://www.kew.org/mng/gallery/img_large/299.jpg)
I like this bael pic!
Find me some cool art of fruit while your in India Oscar!
Take a pic for me at least!
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http://reelandgrill.blogspot.com/2010/07/bael-or-beli-fruit-and-smoothie.html (http://reelandgrill.blogspot.com/2010/07/bael-or-beli-fruit-and-smoothie.html)
this webpage has a nice variety of Bael being cut up, from Sri Lanka!!
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Speaking of Bael fruit, I really enjoyed the flavor but the stickiness texture was a bit of a problem.
Jaime
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I like this bael pic!
Find me some cool art of fruit while your in India Oscar!
Take a pic for me at least!
Bael was growing wild in national park i visited today, along with indian jujube, curry leaf plant, and some types of syzigium.