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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: March 08, 2022, 06:01:52 PM »
I don't see a post by me, so here goes:
I have 3 avocado trees:  a Sharwil, an Ota and a Lamb Hass, in that order of preference.
All taste very good and are acceptable.
I think the Sharwil and Ota  are a bit better.
I believe they have a higher oil content.
The Sharwils edges the Ota out because of their size.
They can go larger than 1-1/2#.
A full avo is a fill up, a meal in itself.
The Otas are more regular in size.
You gotta eat two or more of them.

While the Lamb Hass is last in place, I won't bad mouth it.
It is still a very good avo.

Elevation, weather, and soil all affect an avo's quality.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Delete Double Post
« on: March 08, 2022, 05:03:43 PM »
Double Post

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Citrus trees
« on: March 08, 2022, 04:41:49 PM »
Citrus trees -
I have 7 citrus trees;

Planted by the previous owner:
#1.
An unknown orange - stringy and tough to eat, but makes an excellent tasty juice.
I assume it is a Valencia.
I strip the tree's fruit, then juice and freeze everything, making several gallons of fresh juice every winter.

#2.
An unknown tangerine - Purely guessing that it may be a Dancy, ... or(?).
The tree has been badly treated by a nearby volcanic eruption, but now into it's 4th season after, and seems to be recovering nicely.
not much fruit yet, but they're good, and it look better every year.

#3.
A small puny looking Meyer Lemon.
I assume the soil is thin.
It also has periods of water accumulation after heavy rains.
So far, it has never done well.
I don't think it ever will.
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I put in a few more:
#4.
A miniature Satsuma Tangerine
Good, just not much fruit so far.
#5.
A Honey (Murcott) Tangerine, which is my main favorite eating fruit, keeps me eating 4 or more fruit a day while they're ripe on the tree.
By the time I get all these eaten, the orange juice is ready to go.
#6.
A Tahitian Lime - doesn't seem to be doing all that well so far - we'll see:  destined to be for lime juice and flavoring for drinking water. 
#7.
A Kaffir Lime for cooking with it's leaves.
I like cooking curries and such with the leaves year around, but don't consider the fruit edible.       
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So far, the Honey is the main problem.
All the others are resistant.
It has had fungus on the leaves and fruit the last couple of years, probably Canker or Scab.
It doesn't hurt the fruit noticeably, but is unsightly.
I hate spraying trees.
Is there an effective systemic fungicide that can be sprayed on the ground around the tree to get rid of it?      



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tree spacing
« on: October 19, 2021, 07:22:55 PM »
20 ft. spacing is usually recommended for avos, but more would be better, especially if you intend to grow your trees larger.
I prune my trees to hold height and spread down.
So far, 18' to 20' spacing is adequate.
But, the avos are not planted next to each other.
Other smaller trees are intermingled with them.

I can pick from a ladder without the trees growing into each other.
I have grass planted under our trees, cut like the rest of our lawn.
There is little to no bruising of the fallen fruit.
The tree naturally drops the fruit before it's ripe, still hard within a few days of softening.

I usually, gather fallen fruit daily for eating.
They are usually ready to eat within 2 to 3 days.
It's easier to pick them up, than dig through the tree's canopy from a ladder looking for them.

Sharwils are hard to judge for readiness.
Ripening is judged by the skin loosing its shininess, turning into more of a matt finish on their surface.
Otas and Lamb-Hass' types are easier to judge because of color changes.
Hass turn black/dark purple, Otas yellowish with brown areas.

All three are very good.
But, I prefer the Sharwils and Otas.
The Sharwils get larger, most about 1 to 1-1/4 lb.
We've gotten some huge ones up to 1-1/2 pounds in size.
The Hass and Ota are more regular in size, 3/4 pound +/-.

Our avos are from grafted seedlings.
None are seed grown.
The way avos bloom, it is very unlikely their seed grown fruit will be like the parent tree's.
All avos seeds are likely to be hybrids.
Because of that, the fruit will likely vary from its parent's variety type. 
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Malabar Chestnuts
« on: October 17, 2021, 10:14:03 PM »
At least 4 or 5 years ago, I was given a couple of pots with seedlings in them.
I was told they were Malabar Chestnut trees.
I planted them in the yard and forgot about them except for checking on them maybe once or twice a year.
A few months ago I saw some large white Mimosa looking flowers laying on the ground under the trees.
Today, I saw a green seed pod up on the end of a branch.
Then, I looked under the tree and saw a brown open pod laying on the ground  with over a dozen seeds in it.
I gathered the seeds[nuts] up and am drying them to experimentally eat them.

My experience with raw wild nuts [hazel nuts (filberts)]  is that they need to be dried thoroughly before eating or they will be very bitter.
I expect these to be similar.

I can find nothing about them in a search here.
Anyone familiar with them?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Protecting Avocados
« on: October 11, 2021, 04:36:52 PM »
Not sure as to how many trees you have, or the lay of your land.
But, from the sounds of it and my view point, I'd giver serious consideration to thinning the trees.

But then, I only grow for my personal use.
It sounds as if you may be marketing your excess.
All I do is eat a lot of Tangerine and Longan fruit, drink a lot of OJ, snack on a variety of other fruit, and eat a lot of avos, all in season.

I'll freeze excess orange and tangerine juice, excess Longan fruit, then make up and freeze large batches of guacamole for use out of season.
Generally, I gobble Tangerines and Longans from the trees until they're gone.

Best of luck with the rats.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Protecting Avocados
« on: October 10, 2021, 03:04:59 PM »
@Jack Nipomo,

At last, a post from someone that has real world experience in dealing with rats in fruit trees.
From your post it sounds as if you are trying to protect at least a small orchard.
We have an acre lot with over 10 fruit trees scattered around it, mostly citrus and avos.
Our citrus are safe unless fruit falls to the ground.
Then, they're ripe enough and  will draw the rats.
They do not climb the citrus trees and damage fruit, not sweet enough for them.

If your avos have smooth straight trunk sections, where the banding can be applied in 12" or more widths.
It'll give unclimbable sections.
That will keep them out, if they can't find another way into the tree.
That's why the weeds have to be kept down.
I may have to take a native Ohia tree out.
It looks as if they may be climbing it to jump into one of the avos to get to the fruit, yet to be determined.

Surprisingly enough, we have no problem with rats on our roof or in the attic area.
We have a rooftop PV installation, so get a frequent check on it.
The rat problems in the house are caused by the cats.
They're so well  fed, they rarely kill the rats, or birds for that matter.
They're toys to be taken home to play with.
We do keep a rat trap behind the fridge for the ones that get away.

I have a tree with knots on the trunk from old branch locations that interfere with installing the bands.
I've considered grinding them off to smooth the trunk, but am worried about possible harm to the tree from the amount of material removed.
If you can make banding the trees work, it could cut your efforts to control the rats to simply picking up newly fallen fruit and cutting weeds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Protecting Avocados
« on: October 10, 2021, 03:56:01 AM »
I have been battling rats in our avos for  almost 8 years now.
I've used traps, poisons, cats, and so on.
All will work somewhat for a while.
Then, the rats smarten up and they stop working because they avoid them, except the cats.
M'lady feeds them too much.
They only hunt for pleasure, not for food.
They are family not simply working pets.
They need to be hungry to be effective rat deterrents, even though they do get a few.

We live on a clearing in a jungle.
The rats cannot be cleared out.
They move around constantly coming from the jungle and neighbor's lots.
The only way to  temporarily get rid of them is to remove all sources of food.
As soon as they find food available they immediately begin moving back in.
No fruit that falls from the trees  can be left on the ground.
I pickup fallen fruit every  morning and evening.
Since getting this under control they aren't even getting to the fallen fruit.
I'm now even saving the fallen fruit, as I'm beating the rats to them.

Nothing has worked as well as banding the trees and keeping the weeds cut low.
As long as the banding does not harm the trees,  I've found a system that works better than any other I've tried.


 
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Protecting Avocados
« on: October 09, 2021, 09:19:02 PM »
In the past we've had rats climb our avo trees to reach the fruit.
Then, they would gnaw small areas on the fruit hanging from the tree, looking for ripe fruit, damaging a very high percentage of them.
I lost a lot of avos to rats gnawing the fruit.

I tried several things to control them, almost all were very ineffectual.
Curling and placing 12" bands of sheet metal around the tree trunks and cutting weeds back so they can't be climbed to reach the canopy seem to be doing the job.
It only needs to be done as the fruit nears ripening and becomes edible.
Plus, cutting their food availability has cut the rats' numbers drastically.

So question: 
The bands are 12" aluminum sheet roof flashing, cut to length and manually curled to snugly fit around the tree's trunk.
They are not nailed so that they can expand to accommodate growth of the trunk, and not strangle it.
I put them on 3 grafted, double trunk trees 1-1/2  years ago. 
So far, my only concern is the bands being on the tree trunks for long periods and any potential damage they might cause the tree.

Is there any need for concern?



 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Longan Biew Kiew
« on: April 22, 2021, 11:22:12 PM »
OK, a few days ago I saw more flowers beginning.
They were on another branch, but coming from the same part of the tree.
Today, I see another branch in a completely different part of the tree has begun to produce blossoms.
I'm beginning to wonder if the tree wants to bloom and fruit in its own way this time, not on a schedule set by me.

When I treated it with potassium chlorate all the branches bloomed at once.
Then, the fruit all ripened at the same time.
I was able to pick the tree clean in a very short time, a couple to three hours.
Now, it look to be making flowers if and when it wants to.
It has many dormant undifferentiated branch tips yet to develop.
I don't think the tree is going to develop all at once like it did last time.
Flowering and fruiting may be spread over a larger time span.
If that's what happens, I may treat it again next year and so on so that the fruit all ripens at once, at the same time.
Picking, handling, and storage will be much easier and less time consuming.

Its interesting.
I'll see how it goes.

I've got some netting for the tree and I saw a Red Cardinal in the yard yesterday.
He's my primary suspect for eating the small fruit before.
I'll be ready for him.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tangerines or Blueberries?
« on: April 22, 2021, 02:40:01 PM »
@ Dmaxx69
I will check the nursery in HPP.
I don't go into the Macuu market since they upped the parking charge again.
The produce stalls reduced in numbers, so been going to  the Kea'au market for produce.
Just saw that the Pahoa market is supposed to be reopening.
I'll check it out Sunday or whenever.

I grew up in Washington and then lived in Alaska for 35 years.
I too know what a real blueberry is, based on wild berries.
What I also miss are what we called huckelberries, the orange blueberry types from the West side of the mountains.
But, I'll probably never see one them again.

Its very heartening to get a firsthand report on their being grown in the area.
You are in a warmer, drier location at a lower elevation.
If blueberries can do well there, I can get them to well here.

@ zands,
I wouldn't waste the effort or space to grow grapes.
I very rarely buy them from  a grocery even though they're there all the time.
I buy more cups of BBs even though they cost a lot more.
I enjoy picking BBs, never get much mess from them, probably due to a lifetime of practice.
The highbush cultivars, if cultivated well. should have clumps in fairly large numbers making picking much easier, but picking is part of the fun.
Probably more go into my mouth than the bucket.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tangerines or Blueberries?
« on: April 22, 2021, 05:18:57 AM »
My plan for blueberries is still morphing.
The area I'm now thinking of putting them in is up near where the fruit trees are, a higher and much better drained location, where I have already built soil for the trees.
I do get high rainfall amounts, but except for where the water tends to accumulate during those very high amount periods, the property is mostly very well drained.

This is a volcanic island.
My place is on a 250 year old lava flow.
A moderate age for the area.
We're in Lava Zone 1.
Lava is quite porous.
Pretty sure the wetter area is caused by it not being as deeply rippable due to the structure of the lava flows.
That area is probably underlain by blue rock.


The Property is ripped as is usual for this area, a D9 with a ripping attachment was brought in to level the driveway, yard, and house area.
Some of the flatlander city people that come in here will have their entire lot ripped so they can have a full acre of lawn.

2/3 of my lot is still  jungle covered a-a lava.
One could break a leg trying to walk thru those areas.
Ripping was deep enough for most of the yard area to give good soil potential and drainage.
To grow more than weeds, one has to build soil in the ripped areas.
The yard grows almost as many rocks as grass.
I have enlarged the yard area to add the fruit trees by hauling and piling rocks elsewhere.
I still have to gather the rocks that grow out of the lawn.
The mower tends to complain a lot when I don't.

The plan is still not firm yet.
I'm now down to maybe 6 bushes in a 6' X 9' area further back on the lot.

I have thought about 'Ohelo.
Can't find any sources other than going into the National Park to steal some.
Don't want them bad enough to chance doing that.
Plus, I have picked and eaten them in the park.
They're at best imitation BBs.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tangerines or Blueberries?
« on: April 20, 2021, 11:48:15 PM »
Yeah, papaya doesn't grow well around here either.
I've tried several times with different types
All had the same results, bad tasting fruit attacked by mold spots.
As near as I can figure, it's because of the wetness.

EDIT:
The normal coolest winter temps seen here are about 63°F
During The  mainland's cold spell last wilter, we did get down to 56°F'
We seen to be categorized as Zone 10.

& yeah, got many d/l's of info from CTAHR.
Even though they're now dated, they're  my primary source for making choices.

HD does carry Emerald plants at certain times of the year.
I can order Emerald and Biloxi from them online for store pickup. I'd also like to find a source for Sapphire, and, maybe Sharpblue.

But, Emerald and Biloxi have low chill requirements and should give me plants that can gain through cross pollination.
Getting some Sapphire might be good also.
They're just not as easily found around here.

I bought a chipper and am chipping up palm fronds, weed tree cuttings and weed pullings.
I'll use my truck to pull the runt and small Ohia up running them through the chipper.
Then rototill the area where those trees are now adding chippings and other organics to make soil for the BBs.

The BBs I'm thinking of run in  the 5' to 8' x 6' dia range and should be good bearers.
Maybe only 6 to 8 shrubs would do for my needs as they mature.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tangerines or Blueberries?
« on: April 20, 2021, 07:40:06 PM »
I spent last night going through the i-net looking at possible BB options.
Getting them from the mainland can be done but is problematical.
But, I have made my decision on how I'll do it and what I'll get.

The Tangerine I put in 4 or 5 years ago:




The Tangerine put in by the previous owner possibly as long as 10 years or more ago.
It is a waste of space and is coming out.
 



I will be removing the older, runtier tree, replacing it with a blueberry planting after making the necessary preparations for them.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tangerines or Blueberries?
« on: April 20, 2021, 01:59:58 AM »
Don't think he'll have what I'm looking for.
But, I'LL never know until I check him out.

He hides his location, but I found him.
He's near here and apparently suffered a lot of damage from the eruption.
At least he complained a lot about it.
He does appear to have trees, but says he mainly does seeds now.
I have no interest in seeds, or trees either.
What I'll be looking for are shrubs.
I see nothing like that, but it's hard to be certain from arial photos.
In a few days I'll probably take a turn by to check him out.
Not very likely he'll have what I want, but never know.

I will check with HD, and with some mainland sources.
Shipping is usually a killer when dealing with the mainland.
We'll see how it works out, no big rush.

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They are beautiful trees.
The coloring of their bark makes them eye candy.
I was going to plant some on my property.
Then, I read that they turn invasive very easily.
I already have a number of invasive weed trees, Secropias, Gunpowders, Albizias, and maybe others.
I spend a lot of time and expense chainsawing the weed trees off my property to protect its native trees.
I decided I wouldn't add to my problem with more weed trees.

Do as you see fit.
Even if you don't someone else will.
The islands are filled with invasives.
Controls rely on voluntary compliance, and no one does.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tangerines or Blueberries?
« on: April 19, 2021, 10:48:59 PM »
It is April.
Just finished spraying my newest Honey Tangerine for the second time with a fungicide.
It came down with scab a couple of years ago.
I did nothing about it.
It came back with a vengance last year.

A month or so ago, I pruned most of the infected branch tips.
I sprayed it with a fungicide when blossoms first appeared 2 to 3 weeks ago.
It now has new growths sprouting all over it.
It looks pretty good with a lot of blossoms developing, and little to no infections on the new leaves.

The older Honey Tangerine has developed very poorly.
I'm convinced it is a runt because of being planted near where water accumulates during rains.
I think it gets wet feet causing it to grow much more slowly and bear much less and smaller fruit.

I'm thinking of pullin the older Honey and a small Ohia out, then putting some blueberries in that wetter area.
In the Pacific Northwest blueberries tend to do well in boggier areas.
Warm area highbush blueberries like Saphire, Biloxi, Emerald, and Sharpblue are supposed to do quite well around here.
I've seen some at HD on occasion.
I miss having access to gathering blueberries.
I'm thinking of putting in maybe 10 or more bushes.

Anyone experienced with blueberries in a subtropical zone (Hawaii)? 

 

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What makes you think I got mad?
I had explained the reasons I do not, or even try, to grow mangos.
Then, Dmaxx69 says that I am misinformed.
I simply responded to that, in turn, by letting him know that he was misinformed.

Here is why:
The nursery that grows the young trees does, on their website, lable some mango varieties as being wet tolerant.
My assumption is the website is where he gets his information.
As I said before, they tell me to not bother.
 
The island of Hawaii is the largest island in the U.S. as well as the archipelago.
It is about 4000 sqmi in area, about 92 mi. lonh X 76 mi. wide.
It may be a big island, but it is small.
It is dominated by 2ea. 13,000 ft.  mountains, OK volcanoes.
It is buffeted by nearly constant trade winds.
It is recognized as having 10 different micro climates, of the 14 potentials.
Many of those micro climates occur in more than just one location.
The island is covered with many small MCs.

Dmaxx69 gives his location as in Kea'au.
My guess is that he lives in HPP at about sea level, maybe further inland actually in Kea'au at a bit higher altitude.
Never the less, he is probably closely surrounded by relatively level land.

I live  near Pahoa in Leilani Estates, something in the range of 10 to 15 miles away at 750 ft - guessing, but probably higher than him.

Elevation and terrain have profound effects on local climates.
I also live on the windward side of the island, but near the top of a pali.
Rainfall is high here due to the trade winds and the pali.

Just saying you're on Big Island defines only that you are in a sub tropical area, not your local climate.

Not wanting to go into all the foregoing at the time my response to him was a bit terse.
I had other things to do and was in a hurry to get to them.

I may have snapped back at B.S.Bullie after his snotty response to my other post.
That does not mean that I harbor any bad feelings towards Dmaxx69.
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Longan Biew Kiew
« on: April 15, 2021, 04:14:10 PM »

... Personally, I couldnt give a rats ass if you listen or play the role of the expert.  Your trees, not mine....

@B.S. bullie,
I agree.

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As far as I'm concerned, you are making the usual assumption that the rest of the world is like where they live.
The ares where I live is rated at a precipitation of 150'/yr.
We live on a clearing in a jungle.
The nursery we buy from supplies trees all over the island and is knowledgeable.
They wholesale many of the fruit trees sold by the businesses that do most of the selling to people.   
They say to not buy them.
They won't fruit here.
There are a few hundred residents in this subdivision.
I can find no one that grows and fruits any mangos around here.

You are the one that is misinformed.
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Longan Biew Kiew
« on: April 15, 2021, 10:56:37 AM »
First, I wrote potassium chloride.
I meant Potassium chlorate.
Not sure if both will do the job.

Not absolutely sure now, but I think I used 4g in 1/2 gallon of water.
Then sprayed the leaves of the tree with it.
The tree must be dormant when sprayed, no growth happening or recently.
It took about 1-2 months before the flowering began in February.
Don't know if it'll work on related species.
I've seen nothing to make me believe it will.
But then, I haven't been interested in finding out.

https://hilo.hawaii.edu/panr/get_attachment.php?file=5StimulatingLonganFlowering-Nagao23-28.pdf


Our climate here is too wet and warm for it to be perfectly at home.
We do get dry periods of a week or more, but rarely get true drought periods of a month or more.
The timing varies throughout the year.

I did call, it a seedling.
Chances are it was actually air layered.
The tree has  already proven it is mature enough to bloom.

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I love them, but our area is too wet.
Mangos make beautiful shade trees but don't, bear fruit here.
I won't waste the space they take up to experiment with them.

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I have 1 orange tree that was planted by the previous owner.
It seems to be a Valencia.
The fruit has tough and stringy section membranes, but makes delicious juice.
It is my juice tree.
I fill jars putting many into the freezer extending the juice season.

I planted 3 Avocados:  Sharwil, Ota, and Lamb Hass, giving almost year around Avo fruit:
Sharwil - Fall and winter; Ota - winter and spring; Lamb Hass -  summer.

There were two Tangerines put in by the previous owner:  one Honey not sure of the second but think it might be a Dancy.
I planted a second Honey and a Satsuma giving a total of 4 Tangerines.
I like tangerunes, especially Honey and Satsuma.

There were two Lemons planted by the previous owner: A small Meyer and a larger Eureka.
The Eureka was badly damaged by falling wind blown trees and died leaving just the Meyer.
I also added Tahitian and Kaffir Limes, and some non citrus: a Jaboticaba, a Longan and a Mulberry.
There were some dwarf Apple Bananas put in by the previous owner.
I added a planting of tall Apples.

I get fruit year around with loads in fall-winter-spring.   
I have to east fruit like mad in the fall-winter-spring to keep it from wasting.
The fallen fruit under the trees needs to be kept cleaned up to keep from drawing pigs or rats into our yard.
Rat control is a serious need, got 2 cats, and set poison bait boxes out when the avos begin ripening to keep them out of the trees.
All fruits need to be picked just before they begin to ripen, or the rats will climb the trees and gnaw on them.

I started out to discuss a few of the problems I've has with some.
This has gotten too big.
I'll address those in other threads at a later time.

Oops, Forgot Pineapples, just put 60+  in, mixed yellow and white.
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Longan Biew Kiew
« on: April 15, 2021, 06:41:57 AM »
I finally got this one figured out.
The Longan will probably never bloom for me here, without being stimulated by spraying it with potassium chloride late in December.
That will cause it to bare fruit that will ripen the following August or September, as it did when I sprayed it two years ago.

Our year around temperatures here are too warm.
Longans require a 3 month winter with night temps getting down in the 7 - 12°C [45 -55°F] range with  no freezing temps.

Normally, our coolest winter night temps only reach to about 63°F.
Last winter we had one of our coldest winters.
For about a week, our night temps went down to about 56°F, not quite cool or long enough for it.
But, it was enough to stimulate one branch to bloom.
I will only get a small taste of it this year.

Next year after I begin regularly spraying the tree again, I'll get Longan fruit in droves like I did 2 years ago.
I did learn in that one fruiting:
1. They hold well on the tree once ripened.
2. While the fruit is still at its peak, they can be frozen while still in their skin.
3. When thawed enough to soften just their skin, they peel maybe easier than when they were fresh off the tree.
4. Freezing has little to no effect on the texture or taste of the fruit when thawed.
5. Birds love the small newly forming fruit, and will eat enough of it to substantially reduce the harvest for me.
6. The tree will need to be netted.
Next season, My waiting for the fruit to eat will be over.
I will be able to pig out on them 'til they're gone.
 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Longan Biew Kiew
« on: April 12, 2021, 07:37:50 PM »
Getting antsy waiting for our Longan tree to have it's first fruiting, 2 years ago I sprayed the tree with potassium chloride  chlorate.
It did bloom quite nicely and bear fruit that year.

I did not treat it the following season, last year.
It didn't show any signs of blooming.

I have not treated it this year, but, only 1 low branch has put out a couple of groups of blossoms and looks as if it will end up fruiting there.
No sign of blossoms anywhere else on the tree.
It has probably been as long as 5 or 6 years since it's seedling from a nursery was planted.
The tree is now about 12' tall + about 15' in diameter, haven't pruned it yet.

We did have an eruption about 2 years ago that evolved sulphur gasses that seems to have adversely affected much of the vegetation in our yard.
They  now seem to be recovered from it.

Is this normal for a Longan, or is it running late? 
 

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