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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: knlim000 on February 29, 2020, 11:35:23 AM
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anybody got Katsura fretting in California? I got these seeds from eBay a few months ago and they are sprouting inside my house now.
please share your experience and progress with it in CA. I hear that the entire plant and seeds have health benefits. How do you use it for that?
And how does it taste? I can't wait to taste this fruit.
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anyone else got Kadsura coccinea to fruit already from seed? would love to get some advice as to weather how cold tolerant this plant is.
progress of mine started from seeds.
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first true leaf emerges. 6.5ys to go before I get to see any fruits.
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Looking really good!
I have been very interested in this plant for awhile but not much info out there on it. Thank you for the pics I am loving the time incremental documentation 😁
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awesome!
how long did yours take to sprout? I got some coccinea from tradewindsfruit.com but no sprouts yet
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receive the seeds in Dec. It's pretty slow growing.
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I try to grow it in a greenhouse. It grows very slowly.
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I started growing Kadsura this spring as well. Some say it can survive our winters some say it doesn't. We should try.
I live in San Jose
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gives me hope something might come up still!
hopefully I can test the hardiness at 9b
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Forester, at least you got two leaves.
yes, it's promising in 9b/10a.
this plant is found in southern china and Northern Vietnam. I've been to Northern Vietnam and Sapa in end of sept 2008 , it was raining for a few days. I think in Dec, it is cold and soggy. So, it would be similar to SF Bay Area winter climate.
Sapa is beautiful. Here's a pic when I as there tryin to capture the scenic view of the mountain.
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had a sprout come up today!
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make sure you got 2 plants for them mate. They are super slow but they do make great house plants.
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thanks knlim!
I got some seeds from tradewindsfruit.com and they appear to be out now so I will have to hope that another one pops!
I assume they are dioecious or just fruit better with two?
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I read somewhere that it requires two plant to bear fruit. Kinda like snake fruit thing.
I think there is hope that some are still sprouting for you. Some of mine sprouted about 3-6weeks apart. So, keep an eye on them.
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The plant looks great. would love to see you updating. I am 20min north form you and curious if it could work here.
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I too bought some Kadsura coccinea seeds from Trade Winds to see if I could add this plant to my collection. The package was billed as having five seeds; it came with eight, which made me pleased. I can tell everyone that they germinate very slowly. I ordered these seeds on April 12 and received and planted them about a week later. I have three seeds which have germinated, which they did not do at exactly the same time and gives me hope the other five are just taking their time. None of them have formed anything other than their cotyledon, and those can take almost a couple of weeks to break through the seed coat and fully form. Their growth rate must increase greatly as they age and become more established. At their current growth rate, it would take seven decades for them to fruit, instead of seven years.
If the flavor of Kadsura coccinea is similar to Kadsura heteroclita, which I first heard of from the Weird Explorer review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jb2RvX3vVs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jb2RvX3vVs)), then it is worth growing, no matter how slowly it grows.
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Thanks for checking in W.
glad to know i might have a few more come up
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I had a fourth seed germinate, at least three weeks after the third one. The final four seeds were either non-viable or failed due to too much water. Seedlings two and three also died, though I am not exactly sure why. I tried to make sure their soil was not kept overly moist, and their cotyledons (neither developed actual leaves) started to discolor before their stems, so it was not damping off. I think they might be susceptible to leaf diseases relating to moist, still air (which is just about all the air there is in an Alabama summer), as I kept them in a covered area of my yard sheltered from wind, rain, and any creatures that might want to eat them. I have moved both remaining seedlings into a more exposed area for some air movement. The first seedling is doing well (it seemed unfazed by the same conditions that killed the two other seedlings) but still growing very slowly, with one perfect leaf and the beginning signs of two more. I have my fingers crossed that I have gotten lucky and that first seedling is monoecious.
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My two surviving seedlings are both doing well. They like their current location, with more sun and air movement, much better than where I had them previously. It still does not appear that this species grows particularly quickly.
I found this page on Kadsura coccinea on Dave's Garden: https://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/243113/. Here is what one grower said about the species, which also has the common name Hei Lao Hu.
On Aug 27, 2017, Ted_B from Birmingham, AL (Zone 8a) wrote:
This climber is indigenous to subtropical and tropical areas of SE Asia, and is a close relative of Schisandra sp. These woody vines tend to inhabit forested areas of South China and North Vietnam from 400-1900m, favoring a well-drained, but consistently moist environment, and shelter from prolonged direct sun. Like other members of the Kadsura and Schisandra genera, this species often appears as dioecious, but is actually monoecious, and produces a bizarre looking fruit that is alleged to be of medicinal value. Paleobotany reveals distribution members of the genera being more widespread in temperate areas prior to the last ice age, so some winter hardiness is expected. At least one report claims this species winter hardy to at least Zone 7.
Fresh seed obtained from Taiwan germinated while en route. The remainder were soaked overnight and kept in a moist paper towel at room temperature (75F - 25C). Seedlings seem to appreciate indirect lighting or dappled sun, with moderate soil moisture and constant humidity.
Since I only have two seedlings and do not know when I might be able to get more, I am not going to test whether they can survive a Zone 7 winter.
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My plants look good today. Cold weather is approaching in Russia and I'm going to move the plants to pots and clean them in a warm room. In total, I have grown 6 pieces.
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My plants look good today. Cold weather is approaching in Russia and I'm going to move the plants to pots and clean them in a warm room. In total, I have grown 6 pieces.
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Congratulations, your plants do look good. Mine are about the same size as yours were in your May photographs. Mine sprouted in late May-early June, so in another 3-4 months, hopefully mine will be as tall and vigorous as yours.
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Someone knows for sure whether this plant is dioecious or monoecious? There is a lot of conflicting information on the Internet.
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Someone knows for sure whether this plant is dioecious or monoecious? There is a lot of conflicting information on the Internet.
This plant can be either/or, hence the confusion. Typically they are dioecious but occasionally they produce a monoecious plant from seed. Always best to plant 3-5 to increase your chances of pollination. Look at their close cousins Shisandra chinensis, same story there, but there is a cultivar named Eastern Prince that is self fertile.
I have some very slow growing seedlings that I sprouted outside here in the Bay Area. They have survived a few winters outdoors here where temperatures get into the thirties on some nights in the winter. With most nights in the winter averaging in the mid 40’s. They’ve remained seedling size the whole time only getting up to 5 leaves. I recently potted some up to see if container size had something to do with their restrained growth. I’m seeing a lot of new growth now but it could be the fresh soil and nutrients or the roominess of their new container.
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Hey guys, how does your kadsura look today? At the end of August I transplanted 5 of my plants into pots and now they are growing very slowly.
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Forester I'm not sure that is a Kadsura. I don't have coccinea, but I have a japonica and a couple of heteroclita. Heteroclita is supposed to look very similar to coccinea. They need more shade than I give them, but this heteroclita in a shady spot is starting to do well. I had a couple of flowers on japonica, but no fruit set.
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Does anyone know at what age the first flowering occurs?
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Does anyone know at what age the first flowering occurs?
Hello there. In China, it only takes 2 years from seed to fruit, to 3 years, most of the plants are monoecious. There are just a bunch on my own mountain, don't believe in the Internet, the information is wrong. If you need seeds, you can find me, and the shipping fee will do. Almost past season ;D
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Hello there. In China, it only takes 2 years from seed to fruit, to 3 years, most of the plants are monoecious. There are just a bunch on my own mountain, don't believe in the Internet, the information is wrong. If you need seeds, you can find me, and the shipping fee will do. Almost past season ;D
Thanks for the info and your seed proposal. Personally, I have six plants today, so seeds are not needed. I think you can find a buyer on this forum.
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Hello there. In China, it only takes 2 years from seed to fruit, to 3 years, most of the plants are monoecious. There are just a bunch on my own mountain, don't believe in the Internet, the information is wrong. If you need seeds, you can find me, and the shipping fee will do. Almost past season ;D
Thanks for the info and your seed proposal. Personally, I have six plants today, so seeds are not needed. I think you can find a buyer on this forum.
. . . . You got it wrong. I said sharing seeds for free. These are wild fruits and are not valuable. China has no seeds worth trading. In forums, sharing is the main focus, :-X
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Ok ;D
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Today I went up the mountain to harvest the fruits ::) ;D
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Green skin is sweeter
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Green skin is sweeter
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Different taste and different seeds
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First kadsura sprouting, took over 4 weeks in ground. And it's been poking out like this for the past week trying to break out of the seed coat. Only 1 out of 10 seeds so far that I can see. Will check my containers where I planted the rest.
Got rid of a small blackberry cane to put this guy in. Hope it will harden off before winter very slow growth.
Edit* 5 out of 10 sprouts so far. 1 in ground and 4 in containers. The rest in the ground must be working their way toward the surface.
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First kadsura sprouting, took over 4 weeks in ground. And it's been poking out like this for the past week trying to break out of the seed coat. Only 1 out of 10 seeds so far that I can see. Will check my containers where I planted the rest.
Got rid of a small blackberry cane to put this guy in. Hope it will harden off before winter very slow growth.
Edit* 5 out of 10 sprouts so far. 1 in ground and 4 in containers. The rest in the ground must be working their way toward the surface.
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I did not get an outstanding germination rate with my seeds, so 50% might be all you get. Hopefully, you will get more. I had a couple of seedlings die off at the cotyledon stage, just a little older than your in-ground seed. So, this is a crucial time for it, as to whether it will survive and thrive. I hope it does. I am excited about this fruit and hope to see more people growing it.
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I put my Kadsura in the ground now that I have trialed one through a winter here, and now that I have my drip irrigation system set up-
I have an alley like side of my house that gets almost no direct sun that seemed like a good spot for it-
This one I grew from seed from tradewindsfruit and is the only one that has truly started vining- ignore the Justicia pectoralis var. stenophylla it is growing quite well here despite the reported cold intolerance
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These two are from RevivalR00ts- one yellow and one ice white
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I put my Kadsura in the ground now that I have trialed one through a winter here, and now that I have my drip irrigation system set up-
I have an alley like side of my house that gets almost no direct sun that seemed like a good spot for it-
This one I grew from seed from tradewindsfruit and is the only one that has truly started vining- ignore the Justicia pectoralis var. stenophylla it is growing quite well here despite the reported cold intolerance
(https://i.postimg.cc/ns21Q9Ty/0704221131a-HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ns21Q9Ty)
These two are from RevivalR00ts- one yellow and one ice white
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Based on my plants, once they start putting out vining growth, they take off like rockets. Mine are now established two-year-old plants, both putting out several vines from their bases. The larger one put out about three feet worth of growth on four different vines during May and June. That seems to line up with the few accounts I found of Kaduras, that they are vigorous growers once established, similar to grapes and kiwis.
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cheers W- hopefully mine do the same
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Nate, thanks for the photos of your Kadsura!
Yours seems to be acting more like a ground cover in those two photos.
Does it show any inclination yet to try to climb up the adjacent fence?
Cheers!
Paul M.
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I had two in ground, one died this year, the other is just getting going now and really leafing out hard - but no vining activity yet.
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I have been growing Kadsura coccinea and Kadsura heteroclita in Alabama, USA for several years. K. coccinea seeds I've seen on the web are the wild type. I have these, as well as a commercial hybrid that produces much larger fruit. My plants have been container grown and overwintered indoors to this point, but I have some planted outdoors for their first winter test this season (Zone 7b/8a). The first flowers appeared in 2021 (see image). My plants have been situated in a location that receives only direct morning sun.
I grow six different species of Schisandra as well, and reports of this genus being dioecious are incorrect, which I suspect may apply to Kadsura as well. Saunders clarified this in his monograph on the Schisandra genus (2000). While plants may appear dioecious, only plants large enough and with sufficient energy produce female inflorescence, but those will have male flowers too. They are only sparingly self-fertile (wild types anyway), which is a factor.
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Thanks for the info and a BEAUTIFUL flower picture ted-
have you tasted the fruit?
any chance on distributing some of the seeds from the commercial variety?
I have a few different "colors" planted in the ground in houston now and they are starting to take off
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This genus intrigues me, vining fruit in general seems uncommonly grown except for grapes and a handful of other; they can add another layer to the garden.
My understanding is they are dioecious. I have heard Kadsura is growing successfully in Australia. It seems to be all over the Asian continent, Japan, China, Indonesia, etc, so cold hardiness could be a species specific trait and there certainly doesn't seem to be that much information out there yet. Generally I have herd they are cold tolerant, but not sure of the reliability of that information.
I also purchased the same species on eBay from Thailand I think as well as some other species from Trade Winds. Trade winds recommended cold stratifying, so I did a some stratified and some not. There was some delay in getting my germination set up together, but I set several of those seeds last month. I planted them just under the soil and a sneak peak revealed germination in the coccinea but it has not yet broken through the soil so we shall see.
I purchased a few more mature specimens of unknown species from another member earlier this season. He said they were 2 years old. Very small for the age, all well under a foot. They have grown for me slightly, but look similar to when I originally purchased, alive but not thriving, they only hold about 2-3 leaves each. Previous posts on this site have had conflicting information, some have said they are quick growers and others have similar experiences with the plants that I purchased.
Hopefully we can figure out more about this species together.
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From Monograph of Kadsura (Schisandraceae), Richard M.K. Saunders; Systemic Botany Monographs, Vol 54 (June, 1998):
"Species of Kadsura are generally described as monoecious, although they often superficially appear to be dioecious. The only study of the sexuality of the genus was conducted by Okada (1971), who found separate monoecious and dioecious plants of K. japonica in natural populations in Japan. This would appear to be similar to the results reported for the related species Schisandra chinensis, which, although monoecious, has the capability to change sex expression over several years of growth (Ueda 1988). Sex expression is known to be flexible in many plants (Schlessman 1988) and to be affected by various hormonal and environmental factors (Meagher, 1988, and references therein)."
I hope that helps to clarify any confusion. This publication is downloadable on the web (free) in pdf format, as is Saunders' monograph for Schisandra.
My wild type plants are in the ground (second photo). Two flowers appeared last season - no fruit. Flowers are unisex, and these flowers were almost certainly staminate. My two hybrids are in containers and are growing well into the canopy of a Japanese maple. I will cut these before bringing them in for the winter. What I will do is root the cuttings over the winter, and make those available to buy in the spring. The seeds of the hybrids are distinctly larger than those of the wild type, as are the fruit. I was only able to obtain a few hybrid seeds because I was acquainted with someone in the trade in Taiwan who sadly, is no longer with us. I have two strong hybrid plants (first photo) and a dozen or so wild type. The only reliable horticultural information I've found I've had to translate from Chinese, but K. coccinea is not difficult to grow. I've had zero losses. I have three strong K. heteroclita plants as well, which produce a greenish fruit, and I have a good hunch that quite a few of the "K. coccinea" seeds that get sold through the web are in fact K. heteroclita.
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more great info cdin-
I believe you got the plants from RevivalR00ts, where I sourced two of mine-
in my experience they have two "phases" of growth. the first is what you described, the second is when they start to vine and really take off-
if you look at my previous post in this thread you will see the first plant from tradewinds has entered the second "phase" while mine from RevivalR00ts are still in the first "phase". my tradewinds plant was 3y before it took off, putting it in the ground helped a lot
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From Monograph of Kadsura (Schisandraceae), Richard M.K. Saunders; Systemic Botany Monographs, Vol 54 (June, 1998):
"Species of Kadsura are generally described as monoecious, although they often superficially appear to be dioecious. The only study of the sexuality of the genus was conducted by Okada (1971), who found separate monoecious and dioecious plants of K. japonica in natural populations in Japan. This would appear to be similar to the results reported for the related species Schisandra chinensis, which, although monoecious, has the capability to change sex expression over several years of growth (Ueda 1988). Sex expression is known to be flexible in many plants (Schlessman 1988) and to be affected by various hormonal and environmental factors (Meagher, 1988, and references therein)."
I hope that helps to clarify any confusion. This publication is downloadable on the web (free) in pdf format, as is Saunders' monograph for Schisandra.
My wild type plants are in the ground (second photo). Two flowers appeared last season - no fruit. Flowers are unisex, and these flowers were almost certainly staminate. My two hybrids are in containers and are growing well into the canopy of a Japanese maple. I will cut these before bringing them in for the winter. What I will do is root the cuttings over the winter, and make those available to buy in the spring. The seeds of the hybrids are distinctly larger than those of the wild type, as are the fruit. I was only able to obtain a few hybrid seeds because I was acquainted with someone in the trade in Taiwan who sadly, is no longer with us. I have two strong hybrid plants (first photo) and a dozen or so wild type. The only reliable horticultural information I've found I've had to translate from Chinese, but K. coccinea is not difficult to grow. I've had zero losses. I have three strong K. heteroclita plants as well, which produce a greenish fruit, and I have a good hunch that quite a few of the "K. coccinea" seeds that get sold through the web are in fact K. heteroclita.
Ted, glad you've joined the forum, and thanks for this great Kadsura information. Good to see another Alabama grower on the forum. I have been too chicken to plant mine outside, yet; I am still afraid my winters will kill them off. They are reaching the point where it is getting impractical to keep them as container plants; they really grew a lot over this summer.
How easily does Kadsura root from cuttings? That might be a way I can plant mine outside while keeping backup rooted cuttings in containers.
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And until now, I was so sure I was the only one in the state that had K. coccinea. I'll have to scratch that taxon off my "I'm surely the only one..." list. ;)
My problem is similar - too many and too large. The ones in the ground (wild type) are well established, having been there since June, and will soon get a heavy mulching. We'll see what happens.
As for my container plants (hybrids), the mainstems are too large not to attempt rooting (see photo) when I cut them to bring them inside. My success rate in rooting various Schisandra spp. is close to 100%, so I'm thinking there is a good chance of success, especially since K. coccinea apparently remains evergreen in tropical climates, which implies that unlike most Schisandra spp., the time of year may not be a factor in propagating via cuttings.
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And until now, I was so sure I was the only one in the state that had K. coccinea. I'll have to scratch that taxon off my "I'm surely the only one..." list. ;)
My problem is similar - too many and too large. The ones in the ground (wild type) are well established, having been there since June, and will soon get a heavy mulching. We'll see what happens.
As for my container plants (hybrids), the mainstems are too large not to attempt rooting (see photo) when I cut them to bring them inside. My success rate in rooting various Schisandra spp. is close to 100%, so I'm thinking there is a good chance of success, especially since K. coccinea apparently remains evergreen in tropical climates, which implies that unlike most Schisandra spp., the time of year may not be a factor in propagating via cuttings.
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You can still claim you were the first person in Alabama to grow Kadsura. I only started growing mine in 2020. Notice earlier in the thread that I quoted your Dave's Garden review from 2017. That review was basically the only bit of practical growing advice I could find online.
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Ah yes, I see that now. This is one of several new ethnobotanical species I contributed to the Dave's Garden website.
Now that I see there is some interest in this plant, I will make a serious effort to clone each of my two commercial hybrids and will provide updates. One thing about rarities is it's never a good thing to be the only one growing them.
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And until now, I was so sure I was the only one in the state that had K. coccinea. I'll have to scratch that taxon off my "I'm surely the only one..." list. ;)
My problem is similar - too many and too large. The ones in the ground (wild type) are well established, having been there since June, and will soon get a heavy mulching. We'll see what happens.
As for my container plants (hybrids), the mainstems are too large not to attempt rooting (see photo) when I cut them to bring them inside. My success rate in rooting various Schisandra spp. is close to 100%, so I'm thinking there is a good chance of success, especially since K. coccinea apparently remains evergreen in tropical climates, which implies that unlike most Schisandra spp., the time of year may not be a factor in propagating via cuttings.
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That's exciting. I'll look forward to hearing how your rooting trials go! I'd love to try growing the hybrid. I have several seedlings in the ground that are starting to make their way up my fence.
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Very glad to see interest in this species and genus growing as well,
I got 25 Kadsura longipedunculata seeds from tradewindsfruit that will go into germination now.
Would love to get in line for some of those hybrids Ted, and thanks again for joining!
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Absolutely, I'll keep participants in this discussion informed. My two hybrids I grew from seed, therefore being genetically different (capable of cross pollinating and fruiting), so I will try to root an equal number each (#1 and #2) so I can offer them in pairs.
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Here is an update from the inground seeds planted in May.
Very slow growth, the stem doesn't look woody yet, hope it does soon before frosts.
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Had 2 in the ground, they were doing ok, now both dead. I don't think they liked my soil or water PH, very alkaline.
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Here is an update from the inground seeds planted in May.
Very slow growth, the stem doesn't look woody yet, hope it does soon before frosts.
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Looks pretty similar to what mine looked like at that age. For their first year, they grew slowly. Mine are in pots, so they have never had to worry about frosts and freezes. If you are worried about yours freezing, look into some sort of temporary protection.
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thanks, I think I'm going to add a few more bricks and then put some frost cloth over the whole thing. Some light will still get through the frost cloth
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Here's an update on my inground plant.
We had a low of 5f/-15c over the weekend. Only protected by bricks and frost cloth.
It's now Wed. and I went to take the fabric off because we are above freezing for the rest of the week.
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Hello fellow Kadsura growers, hoping someone can tell if these are flower buds or vegetative growth buds in the picture below, buds are reddish in color and covering the entire vine from top to bottom. Vine is about three years old and has been in the ground a couple years. Thanks.
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Ted B- Nice vines man!
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Hello fellow Kadsura growers, hoping someone can tell if these are flower buds or vegetative growth buds in the picture below, buds are reddish in color and covering the entire vine from top to bottom. Vine is about three years old and has been in the ground a couple years. Thanks.
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Ted B- Nice vines man!
The flowering season in China is between April -July and fruit harvest around Nov.
Here is some pictures of the Kadsura.
https://baike.baidu.com/pic/%E9%BB%91%E8%80%81%E8%99%8E/4967058?albumId=1361663969&bk_fr=view_album
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Thanks for the great pictures pink, you’re invited to the first tasting ;) These are looking like flower buds to me ;D
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I don't think those are flower buds. I got a couple flowers on my K. japonica once around June, don't think the buds looked like that.
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Gotcha, thanks Nate! Ya...I was trying to be optimistic but the vines do look a little wimpy to support any fruit.
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Just an update, we had another polar vortex 1f/-17.7c.
The kadsura seedling is still alive! So this seems like a zone 7a plant for sure, at least to the ground level since the upper part of the plant did get damaged as shown in my previous photo. There are healthy green buds below the damaged leaves which will grow out in the spring.
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Very glad to see interest in this species and genus growing as well,
I got 25 Kadsura longipedunculata seeds from tradewindsfruit that will go into germination now.
Would love to get in line for some of those hybrids Ted, and thanks again for joining!
Any update elouicious? I also got a bunch from trade winds months ago with no luck.
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Here's the seedling that survived all winter with low of 1f/-17.7c, pic from this afternoon
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After putting my mature-sized plants into ground for their first winter here in Birmingham, Alabama, USA (Zone 7b/8a), I am pleased to report that I am seeing signs of new growth from the base. I placed a generous heap of oak/hickory leaf mulch around the bases of the plants before the first hard freeze. From my notes, the plants did not defoliate until the overnight temperature dropped below 27F (-3C). We had a couple of nights down to 10F (-12C). This answers my question concerning survivability of mature plants in an open situation, however, it does not answer the question as to if the plants will ever have sufficient energy to fruit if they must grow new stems every season instead of resprouting on older wood. If the older stems prove to be dead wood (won't know for a month or two), I'm afraid these may never be productive unless kept as a container plant and overwintered indoors just about anywhere cooler than maybe Zones 9-10.
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Absolutely, I'll keep participants in this discussion informed. My two hybrids I grew from seed, therefore being genetically different (capable of cross pollinating and fruiting), so I will try to root an equal number each (#1 and #2) so I can offer them in pairs.
That would be great Ted. I’d love to see if I could get this to work and fruit out here in San Diego. I better start soon, since it sounds like it will take a while.
Bought a new home a couple years ago and took out almost every plant to start from scratch. It’s been fun to plan what to grow. This would be a really interesting addition.
Fingers crossed you have success rooting these.
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My kadsura survived it's first winter in zone 7a with damage but has recovered and is now growing a vine
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Is there any trustworthy source to get these plants? I'm more than curious about these.
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Nice Nate,
I just got one and expect good results down here in San Diego. It's a tough plant to find.
Mark
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I bought seeds. Didn't want to risk an expensive plant to the elements so risked multiple seedlings instead.
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Is there any trustworthy source to get these plants? I'm more than curious about these.
I will have seedlings available in the next month or two
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Is there any trustworthy source to get these plants? I'm more than curious about these.
I will have seedlings available in the next month or two
I may still be interested by then if I am unable to obtain any. If the price is right I may pick up additional ones. I'm basically looking for various varieties. There's one seller on Etsy I've ordered one I've yet to receive that may or may not be self-fertile; seller claims self-fertile, but given all I've read about this flower they may be mistaken.. Living in USDA zone 7b this seems like a particularly interesting plant to experiment growing in the ground outside but of course I'd want multiple plants before I attempt that (I keep many of my tropicals in containers).
Does anyone know how well this plant flowers and fruits in the shade, out of curiosity?
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My friend's young plant is in mostly shade and seems to flower well. His plant is still quite young.
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Very good. I live in a forest, and if I can grow this fruit under dappled forest shade that would be fantastic. Even better if I can use existing trees as trellises/support and maximize my space as I have an undeveloped forest lot next to my improved lot. I don't see many people talking about actually eating this fruit or their plants bearing fruit yet is this very newly introduced to the west? Would be nice to get things like this and my feijoas in the ground. I'm guessing most people have seeds from tradewinds when they were available a year or so ago. I tend towards preferring the flavors of tropical fruits more than most temperate fruit trees (though melons and berries are nice). I'm also curious how well this will resist the forest critters.
There's a website selling this fruit plant with obnoxious branding and marketing. I'm sure you know the one, I won't mention them by name because I can't stand that stuff. From searching this forum I see they were on Etsy once but are no longer which is a poor sign. Anyone know if they are actually legit or what kind of plants they are actually selling? I'd much rather buy from a complete stranger here than patronize a company that looks so skeevy so I'm more curious than anything.
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I came here to find out more about Kadsura. I joined to tell member Bloom and Sprout, that a month ago I bought a male Kadsura japonica from Nurseries Caroliniana, nurcar dot com. Even though it's not mentioned on their website, I've heard they will be closing due to retirement and they seem to be sold out of a lot of the plants, but they still have this Kadsura listed in the vine category. This is an excellent nursery, but some folks think it is expensive. I've bought a lot of exceptionally large and healthy plants from this nursery over the years, and would give this nursery the highest rating.
There is another excellent nursery, Woodlanders dot com, from which I've bought many plants, and they sell the female Kadsura japonica Fukurin, but I often see this female available from several nurseries on the internet.
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Very good. I live in a forest, and if I can grow this fruit under dappled forest shade that would be fantastic. Even better if I can use existing trees as trellises/support and maximize my space as I have an undeveloped forest lot next to my improved lot. I don't see many people talking about actually eating this fruit or their plants bearing fruit yet is this very newly introduced to the west? Would be nice to get things like this and my feijoas in the ground. I'm guessing most people have seeds from tradewinds when they were available a year or so ago. I tend towards preferring the flavors of tropical fruits more than most temperate fruit trees (though melons and berries are nice). I'm also curious how well this will resist the forest critters.
There's a website selling this fruit plant with obnoxious branding and marketing. I'm sure you know the one, I won't mention them by name because I can't stand that stuff. From searching this forum I see they were on Etsy once but are no longer which is a poor sign. Anyone know if they are actually legit or what kind of plants they are actually selling? I'd much rather buy from a complete stranger here than patronize a company that looks so skeevy so I'm more curious than anything.
Are you talking about Wildlands Farm & Nursery?
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Very glad to see interest in this species and genus growing as well,
I got 25 Kadsura longipedunculata seeds from tradewindsfruit that will go into germination now.
Would love to get in line for some of those hybrids Ted, and thanks again for joining!
Any update elouicious? I also got a bunch from trade winds months ago with no luck.
I remember ordering from them about 15 years ago. Surprised they're still around. Great place to get fossilized seeds.
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I've just sent out over 2000 kadsura seeds to various people, so should see an update in the near future.
viable seeds I hope lol.
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Very glad to see interest in this species and genus growing as well,
I got 25 Kadsura longipedunculata seeds from tradewindsfruit that will go into germination now.
Would love to get in line for some of those hybrids Ted, and thanks again for joining!
Any update elouicious? I also got a bunch from trade winds months ago with no luck.
I remember ordering from them about 15 years ago. Surprised they're still around. Great place to get fossilized seeds.
Honestly most stuff from TradeWinds has germinated for me and I've ordered many different things.
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you hope the seeds you sold are viable? eeek. how old and cold were they?
I've just sent out over 2000 kadsura seeds to various people, so should see an update in the near future.
viable seeds I hope lol.
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My 10 seeds came from Etsy. They were pretty dry but still had least 50% germinate. They take a while though. Lost 3 to a weed wacker despite clearly labeling and marking the plants.
I still have 2 vines planted outside that are alive after 2 winters (this will be the 2nd winter). So far no damage to stem coldest has been 15f.
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you hope the seeds you sold are viable? eeek. how old and cold were they?
I've just sent out over 2000 kadsura seeds to various people, so should see an update in the near future.
viable seeds I hope lol.
They were as fresh as I could get them. Every seed I crushed had a white viable kernel inside so that's why they got sent, not wrent lol.
I hope they sprout is what I meant to say lol. Each seed was viable.
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I cut a few of the seeds from Jabo45 and they were all viable with a white kernel. Good luck with germination! They look better than the ones I bought on Etsy and those are starting to germinate. I also am rooting a few cuttings to see if it’s possible. Hopefully we can start growing these and selecting best cultivars soon. Thanks Ryan!
I’ve weirdly have more success with growing them in pots than in the ground. They like morning sun and shade the rest of the day and seem to grow when it’s cold and stunt in hot weather.
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Thats the impression im getting too, with the boosting in cold weather and being stressed in the hottest times of the year. I sold some to a guy who lives in the redwoods, an old clear cut that is second growth forest, and he has very rich soil. The plants are doing pretty amazing for him and he has multiple seedlings flowering. I think he'll probably be one of the first to fruit it in California. Seems like they enjoy the low intensity light up at his spot. Wish I had more of that around my area.
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I cut a few of the seeds from Jabo45 and they were all viable with a white kernel. Good luck with germination! They look better than the ones I bought on Etsy and those are starting to germinate. I also am rooting a few cuttings to see if it’s possible. Hopefully we can start growing these and selecting best cultivars soon. Thanks Ryan!
I’ve weirdly have more success with growing them in pots than in the ground. They like morning sun and shade the rest of the day and seem to grow when it’s cold and stunt in hot weather.
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Glad to hear!
Your plants are looking great.
I have a few and they seem to be really solid.
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Thats the impression im getting too, with the boosting in cold weather and being stressed in the hottest times of the year. I sold some to a guy who lives in the redwoods, an old clear cut that is second growth forest, and he has very rich soil. The plants are doing pretty amazing for him and he has multiple seedlings flowering. I think he'll probably be one of the first to fruit it in California. Seems like they enjoy the low intensity light up at his spot. Wish I had more of that around my area.
I just visited his garden and his plants look better than ever. I don't think they recieve any direct sunlight. I can't figure out why mine languish so much. I probably am not getting them enough water.
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Here's the original vine I've been posting about, took these today. This will be the 2nd winter it survives.
I painted the vine to minimize winter sun damage.
The other plant I didn't look at is probably fine as well, it's in a shaded spot behind a fence.
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Healthy buds
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Tiny bit of damage on the young tip
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