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Hey I have both but you can keep an avocado tree small enough for your space by pruning after fruit comes off.
Mulch very well to protect fine surface feeder roots, feed it regularly to keep it growing vigorously. If it grows well you should have to prune to keep it in bounds. If it slows down and deosn't need pruning, something is wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxwSmoIZ2aU&t=8s

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I apologize in advance if I seem to dissuade you but if you intend to grow tropicals in Connecticut you should look towards examples of success like large greenhouses located in similar zones. Even with that there is a learning curve with success and failure to experience for perhaps years. Growers far south of your climate have had failures of their systems and near complete setbacks.

Not to deny you the possibility, Kew gardens in England has grown tropicals for 100's of years. Members here do it. I just pity folks who buy a mango tree and expect to grow it on a windowsill, so do plenty of research and have fun realizing there will be ups and downs. Same thing for me in zone 10A/B, I'm taking some chances.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fish Emulsion
« on: May 07, 2018, 07:22:13 PM »
I had the same problem of using fish emulsion in my plants, found burrows from animals around roots. I believe we need to use little, too much is too overpowering. diluted half of recommend and frequent use might be better than one time full dose.
Maybe more animal control would allow more use of fish emulsion? I have raccoons, opossums, coyotes, armadillos on my place regularly judging by footprints but no attraction to my version of fish fertilizer.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fish Emulsion
« on: May 06, 2018, 07:01:23 PM »
I make my own fish emulsion by up-cycling scraps from a local fish market and fermenting it like wine/cheese. Last year I made 40 gallons. It does smell similar to fish but with a sour/sweet component and may not be acceptable in a close neighborhood but the process had virtually no smell and even vegans found the smell to be tolerable. We do have raccoons and they caused no problem.

I basically scaled up this process using a 60 gallon sealed Greek olive barrel with an airlock. Whole fish was added to a lactic acid culture with sugar, the bacteria did the rest over a few months to liquefy everything except scales and bones. So, if you want something less smelly try fish hydrolysate instead of emulsion. It is a very good amendment and made use of something otherwise thrown into the bay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyTUQHjOfS0

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Best Breadfruits
« on: May 06, 2018, 07:42:53 AM »
I have a plant nursery and have orders for them in the 100's. The problem is getting them in the numbers needed. How many suckers does a tree produce? not many and how long would it take to get 1000 trees from root cuttings? A long time! As well as a shortage of material.   That is why tissue culture is the way to go.
Sounds like you have to scale up your stock of trees to produce what the market demands through root cuttings or pay the price the German Mafia wants for their tissue culture. The investment in your time or money is just business. The Lychee nursery next door to me had several acres of trees to take air layers, they had to grow them to meet demand.
I understand much of nursery work is just selling on but somebody has to propagate. The scale of orders you mention brings you close to the market numbers you mention for TC plantlets. Plant out 100 for yourself close together on leased land if you haven't the space?

Thinking about it you'd need a very friable soil well mulched to produce abundant surface roots. A strategy to get a harvestable root system near the surface might also be to find a way to restrict the tree's root system away from deeper layers and close to the surface, perhaps something to restrict deep roots and promote surface roots?

The guy here mentions he mixes rooting hormone with "White Rum", (alcohol) which would disinfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2WHyHtMDEo

This FAO propagation manual describes a method of continuous harvest over one year of semi-hard cuttings from a single root cutting in a bed, and that air layers yield best from trees which haven't borne fruit.
http://www.fao.org/3/a-i3085e.pdf

Did some checking it looks like these islanders may also supply TC plantlets, they worked with your government so that might be a channel to work through:
 http://www.spc.int/blog/spc-harvests-its-first-tissue-culture-breadfruit/

http://aciar.gov.au/files/pardi_factsheets.pdf

Good luck!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Best Breadfruits
« on: May 05, 2018, 06:07:37 PM »
As close as Australia is to Pacific islands and at least some polynesian residents I'd be surprised if there wasn't substantial material there. Maybe get to know some Samoans....

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I'm not familiar with your area species but just looking at the wide view you need something very hardy suited to a desert. You might consider looking into the Groasis Waterboxx for establishment.
https://www.groasis.com/en

Look into other water saving tech like wind/shade breaks, pioneer species for on site soil building, fireproofing, it sounds like this would be unattended so consider pest control fencing. There are many people involved in tech for this subject, search youtube for "Desert Greening" to see the action.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=desert+greening



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Did I get a good deal?
« on: May 01, 2018, 09:53:46 PM »
Want to get into dragon fruit and I found a guy selling clippings for 12 varieties for $88.  All the varieties I wanted are included and then some.  I plan on growing 3 varieties per post (I have 4 posts currently setup); does anyone see anything wrong with this?
When they reach the top and sprout every which way identifying 3 varieties per post might be like untangling a backlashed fishing reel. 

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Sometime after that, he hopes, a more attractive structure will be built around the tree to protect it while also allowing the public to see the tree. He pictures a wood or metal structure, with glass along with screening that blocks the citrus psyllid but allows the tree to breathe and photosynthesize. That could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and would have to be approved by the Riverside City Council, he said.

Helluva screen house!

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This guide to fruit tree hurricane preparation and recovery may be of help. Having been through this before, many of us offer our sympathy.

https://fshs.org/proceedings-o/2006-vol-119/FSHS%20119/p.045-49.pdf

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Badly split Jackfruit tree trunk.
« on: April 29, 2018, 07:58:05 PM »
It looks similar to some of my trees which have gotten sunburned. if your first picture of the whole tree was taken in the late afternoon the shadows are showing that the split area is exposed to afternoon sun. All of my trees which got sunburned have it on the side exposed to afternoon sun or were horizontal branches exposed to noonday sun.

On the bright side, Jackfruit trees grow very fast. Most don't get pruned enough. Even if you cut it back below the damaged trunk, it would probably make up the growth quickly since it has flowered and must have strong roots. That would be something to consider.

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I want to encourage as much lateral branching as possible.  Should I clip the main shoot off or should I clip right underneath the entire bunch of shoots, so that it hopefully produces 4 shoots?

I'm planting 10 Sweet Tarts today. Since they are expected to be large and have this dense branching tendency I'll have to work with them this way:

To encourage branching in the future through spring and early summer tip after each growth flush hardens off instead of waiting for tip growth to flush naturally. I'll do this through the adolescent years of the tree as formative practice until it is old enough to bear, then switch to 'during harvest' or post-harvest pruning. The exception might be to annually choose about 20% of canopy for reduction. This renovates much of the canopy 100% every 5 years.

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What has happened is Sweet Tart has a habit of flushing at a branch tip and making many shoots tightly packed. In your first pic I count 7-8. This many shoots at one place might tend to be weak or crowded, or at least some appear weaker than others, and the one is becoming vertically dominant like the one in the video. She actually suggests tipping after the branch hardens off. That will stimulate shoots coming off at leaf nodes in fewer numbers than a tip flush and you may not be dealing with so many. She recommends picking all fruit by tipping the branch when picking.

You could select the branches you want now by snipping off the vertically dominant one, the weakest ones, any crossing ones, and any which head into the canopy. Ideally you would want 3 branches 90 degrees apart pointing outwards or even better downwards.
Or, you could tip now and select later.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Haas avocado in SWFL?
« on: April 28, 2018, 05:05:55 PM »
It dropped almost all it's leafs after a cold snap this year, then produced tons of blossoms. 
Don't know about Hass, but many perfectly fine healthy avocado do the leaf drop thing every spring in preparation for flowering. It had me worried last year but I expect it now. Right after the flowers new growth has exploded. This is normal for many/most avocado trees in SW Florida..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pakistani Mulberry Tree Too Big
« on: April 28, 2018, 07:59:20 AM »
This is what I'm shooting for. Takes up a lot of space but I found the right spot for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgOUrJjWhI

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Across the Caribbean Trinidad to Jamaica Julie is the mango people look forward to. I haven't had one in Donkey's years but remember them fondly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Identify: Banana
« on: April 27, 2018, 07:05:14 PM »
If you cut leaves and maintain a dense clump no wonder you don't get fruit. Musa needs about 10 functional leaves to flower so harvesting for leaves is a different function than growing for fruit. You might consider two clumps one for fruit one one for for leaves or just harvest leaves from a limited number of pups. It helps to work with the natural form and functions of a plant like this.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pakistani Mulberry Tree Too Big
« on: April 27, 2018, 07:00:31 PM »
It sounds like a tree you should chop chop chop. Best fruiting here in Florida is early spring when we have a dry season and not much else is in season. I recently put one in and chopped it back to 2 feet. As it grows I'll keep my target height within arms reach in spring with many new growing fruit bearing shoots at that time. Thanks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Identify: Banana
« on: April 27, 2018, 08:08:00 AM »
Very hard to say what variety without fruiting. Could be plantain. Pick the strongest pup, dig it out, chop it down to 12" tall and trim roots. Replant by itself in fertile soil feed and water it well. In a year you should find out what you have. Banana/plantain are very rewarding. After fruiting, remove all pups except the best one and repeat.

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Chop it down. It is an earleaf acacia, exotic legume so it actually does provide some nitrogen but also strong competition. The seeds are in pods which look like ears and when freshly opened have black seeds with orange arils. It may re-sprout but I've cut some big ones which couldn't take the strain of coppicing and just died. If you want, within 5 minutes of cutting the tree frill the cambium layer and immediately apply glyphosate concentrate with a paintbrush to finish it off. Chop up the tree and use it for mulch, let the logs dry out then cover with more mulch for aesthetics. If it has set seed they can grow but are easy to pull when young.

https://plants.ifas.ufl.edu/plant-directory/acacia-auriculiformis/

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Is this the farm circa 2008? Looks great if so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xek_sJ8Ec4

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I'm also curious about the translation. I ran google translate on some of the comments and they think it may be Pitanga.
It looks like soil and soluble salts of Indolebutyric acid.

http://www.rooting-hormones.com/IBAsalts.htm

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I am also curious what the undesired tree is, and what you smell from the roots. Key to identification would be pics of tree limb, trunk, leaf and flowers if possible, maybe an analogy for root "smells like a skunk...".

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Start saving up for the big sale:
http://www.mrfc.org/p/fruit-tree-sale.html

Go early the best sells out quickly.

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I think in general a better key to plant relationships are the flowers, but only generally....

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