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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The elusive Gary
« on: May 29, 2015, 10:00:55 AM »
As Rob stated, excellent flavor!  However, its been my lightest producer.  One fruit this year.  Blooms heavy, but very susceptible to disease and very high percentage of male flowers.  I have all the benefits of the soil and climate that Rob mentioned but it's still tough for me to fight the disease. I have a Dot (supposedly very susceptible to disease) 30 feet away that i spray as much as the Gary and it sets fruit very well and clean too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Your first legitimate mango of 2015 is.....?
« on: May 27, 2015, 10:23:56 PM »
DOT!  Knock you to your knees intensity. First crop of three distinct blooms this spring. Holy crap, they are great! 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Squirrel problem
« on: April 29, 2015, 01:02:35 PM »
Have a heart traps and drown or shoot. Very effective. Once they learn what a mango is there is no stopping them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I heard that Lemon Zest is a shy producer
« on: April 25, 2015, 04:46:04 PM »
Very cool!  A little spray goes a long way.

My 3 year old Dot is holding 20+ fruit on the first crop and about another 20 for the second crop. The future looks awesome! 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 09, 2015, 02:51:34 PM »
The bags are only one element in a larger plan that I've been using the past two seasons. One lost fruit out of 200+.

Quote from: bsbullie on April 09, 2015, 09:36:51 AM
Protecting from fruit flies ?  The bags are not gonna slow up many squirrels or birds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 09, 2015, 09:12:23 AM »
FWIW

My Excalibur Mahachanok. Purchased and planted Fall, 2012. Multiple growth flushes last year and produced 11 beautiful fruit. This year it's holding about 20 so far and fruitset from the second bloom is looking promising.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pictures of my fruit trees in Casselberry, Fl
« on: April 08, 2015, 08:44:30 PM »
That's why i asked. That winter was ridiculously cold this far south. And windy too. Your microclimate has to be unlike anywhere else in inland Florida.

Quote from: bsbullie on April 08, 2015, 08:25:29 PM
Richard  - while its obvious you are in a special microclimate,  i have to think the winter of 2009/2010, specifically January 2010 was colder than 34.  It was consistently colder than that throughout that month in Boynton Beach,  with some lows in the 20s.

With that being said,  bsck to your star apple.  How big are they, are they in pots or in ground and have they flowered or fruited yet.  Fruiting them successfully in your area would be the most special out of all your trees in my opinion.

I think you need a good red jackfruit.   ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 05:42:35 PM »
If MM2's Excalibur Maha is in a container then, MM2 should have included that factoid as well. Its not fair to the reader that is trying to make a decision as to what to buy and/or plant based on scanty info. Paint the whole picture accurately.

Quote from: JF on April 08, 2015, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 08, 2015, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: jc on April 08, 2015, 03:39:42 PM
Once again misinformation. My Excalibur Mahachanok puts out at least 4 flushes per year.

Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 08, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: simon_grow on April 08, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
Pug, congrats on planting your Maha into the ground. My tree here in SoCal is growing so slowly I think I will graft some scions onto Manilla rootstock. Here's a picture of some small fruit from my in ground Maha. Please keep us updated.
Simon

If you want one that grows get a zill version. The excalibur version does nothing but fruit, no overall tree growth. SUPER SUPER slow grower, maybe one flush a year.
Misinformation would suggest that I am lying, and this is not true. There is plenty of data on the web to support my findings.
Not everyone lives in florida, and you may have just gotten lucky. Stop with the arrogance.
On a side note, it seems quite easy to grow tropicals in an area of high humidity and such high water table that it does not take much knowledge to be successful and may possibly inflate your ego, whereas most other areas are faced with more adversity which requires more knowledge and effort to be successful. Seems to me almost any idiot can grow a tropical in florida without much effort. This is not the case for the rest of the country, and for most of the rest of the world.

MM2
I had the same issue as you with my Excalibur while I had it in a container for 2 years once I put it on the ground last year I had 4 flush so your both right

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 04:52:43 PM »
You're right, misinformation may not be the appropriate term. I don't think your statements are intentionally misleading.  I should edit my previous post to reflect the same.

However, implying that all Excalibar Mahachanoks don't grow is inaccurate information.  You repeatedly make exhaustive statements based on your limited experience in the Arizona desert. That causes others to think something must be wrong with Excalibur's MC.  If you refrain from exhaustive testimony and just report your experience in your yard, @$$h0L€$ like me wouldn't call you out.

My Excalibur's MC grows just fine in my yard, several flushes per year. Not my fastest growing not my slowest, probably right in the middle.

The "in my yard" caveat helps the novice undrestand that it is an observation or experience that is exclusive to that individual, not a hard and fast guarante or rule.

I think Patrick has an Excalibur MC too that has grown exceptionally well too.


Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 08, 2015, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: jc on April 08, 2015, 03:39:42 PM
Once again misinformation. My Excalibur Mahachanok puts out at least 4 flushes per year.

Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 08, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: simon_grow on April 08, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
Pug, congrats on planting your Maha into the ground. My tree here in SoCal is growing so slowly I think I will graft some scions onto Manilla rootstock. Here's a picture of some small fruit from my in ground Maha. Please keep us updated.
Simon

If you want one that grows get a zill version. The excalibur version does nothing but fruit, no overall tree growth. SUPER SUPER slow grower, maybe one flush a year.
Misinformation would suggest that I am lying, and this is not true. There is plenty of data on the web to support my findings.
Not everyone lives in florida, and you may have just gotten lucky. Stop with the arrogance.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 03:39:42 PM »
Once again misinformation. My Excalibur Mahachanok puts out at least 4 flushes per year.

Quote from: mangomaniac2 on April 08, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: simon_grow on April 08, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
Pug, congrats on planting your Maha into the ground. My tree here in SoCal is growing so slowly I think I will graft some scions onto Manilla rootstock. Here's a picture of some small fruit from my in ground Maha. Please keep us updated.
Simon

If you want one that grows get a zill version. The excalibur version does nothing but fruit, no overall tree growth. SUPER SUPER slow grower, maybe one flush a year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 08, 2015, 03:16:24 PM »
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I personally would value a pleasant forum experience far above accurate information

Completely disagree. I'm one of those direct and to the point people. I want quality information otherwise why am i asking questions?  Misinformation leads to confusion and lack of confidence in your work, not my style.  This thread is a prime example of how misinformation leads to confusion.

I value those that contribute quality information regardless of the form in which it is delivered. Yes I am one of the abrasive ones, but rather not hear from the those that are full of BS anyway.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pictures of my fruit trees in Casselberry, Fl
« on: April 08, 2015, 01:58:53 PM »
I'm curious to know how your planted out trees handled the winter of 2009-2010. There were a lot of hard freezes across the state.

Quote from: RichardN on April 08, 2015, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: jc on April 08, 2015, 06:51:15 AM
Kudos on your success!  How many trees do you have planted out?  And how long have the been in the ground?

For mango trees as of now only 12 . Two rows of 6 trees. For the age of trees I can't really tell you because they where planted different times. Also some of these trees are grafted in a 120 gallon pots when I bought them. So exact age of the trees I don't know.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pictures of my fruit trees in Casselberry, Fl
« on: April 08, 2015, 06:51:15 AM »
Kudos on your success!  How many trees do you have planted out?  And how long have the been in the ground? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Should I water my in ground fruiting mango trees?
« on: April 07, 2015, 07:04:41 PM »
Casselberry?  You have mangos established in Casselberry?

Quote from: RichardN on April 07, 2015, 06:45:49 PM
Quote from: HMHausman on April 03, 2015, 08:11:50 PM
Quote from: GrassFlats on April 03, 2015, 08:01:22 PM
I just went out and watered the trees for about 30 seconds each at a decent water flow.  The water puddled up and slowly seeped into the soil so after about 30 seconds the water disappeared.  Does this sound about right?  And to the commercial growers out there, how often do you water your trees in the groves?

Thirty seconds is a bit stingy in my book.  I'd give them much more.

Harry is right about stingy.. 30 second of watering in hot day is not enough.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Should I water my in ground fruiting mango trees?
« on: April 07, 2015, 04:40:20 PM »
I find this topic very interesting. Tro very different approaches, apparently both with positive results.

Dave, can you share some pictures of your trees including the cultivar and age?  I'm interested to see your trees vs coddled trees.

Quote from: Central Floridave on April 07, 2015, 08:25:47 AM
my Mango is anywhere between 5 to 15 years old.  I only fertilize after fruit drop and very lightly at that.  Sometimes I'll go a year without fertilizing.    Water table is about ten feet deep.  Mango probably fruit better without any human intervention.     Mango is basically a weed.  You don't want them to be healthy.  They fruit better without all that care-giving.  What was Fairchild's Gardens article titled?!?  "Tough Love for Mango".   I go by that and it works.      But, basically once a year I take out the center of the tree (if I have time).  Fertilize in mid to late summer.  My rainfall is about 60 inches a year.  Spring is dry.  This winter was wet but normally dry.  Monsoon summers.   When you water mango during this spring drought I think you risk the chance of the fruit aborting.  Mango need to be stressed and not be fed nutrients this time of year.  However, I could be wrong but this is what works for me.  I don't have the time or resources to coddle mango.  I get a pretty good crop out of the mango each year.   If you water and you get fruit more power to  you. But when I started and I would freak out and water them, bamm, fruit drop.   So, I've learned to be patient and not water.  Mango will fruit on its own.


However, I understand people will tell you to water mango. Good luck with that!    But, I'm convinced to never water mango.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Picker with Stem cutters...
« on: April 03, 2015, 07:49:01 PM »
Quote from: fisherking73 on April 03, 2015, 05:00:57 PM
JC nothing popped up with that link

Weird.  It worked in the preview.

Either way, I have the Clip N Pick from Agri Valley. The head fits on any 1" inner diameter pool pole or other 1" ID pipe. Works well. Got the head and telescopic pole for about $65.

It's what strkpr00 and Waiting posted.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Picker with Stem cutters...
« on: April 03, 2015, 04:33:37 PM »
I have this one. You can just buy the head and get the handle at any pool shop.
 http://www.agri-valley.com/site/9063fd3268594b2db6b52cb32aa1c70f/home?url=http%3A%2F%2Fagri-valley.com#2868

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 02, 2015, 04:40:08 AM »
That's the fruit that I mentioned looked pointed. now looking at it further, it also looks fatter and the shape of the seed is different.  Leos seed is C shaped while Robs seed is S shaped.  To me it does not look like the the MC that Harry and Rob have referenced and that i have planted. But maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe its a Maha Cha Not. Patrick bought one from Ebay.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: April 01, 2015, 07:19:58 AM »
Ok, I didn't realize that there were multiple cultivars of MC. Is this like the Kensington Pride thing?  Every KP seedling is still called KP even though they supposedly vary slightly. 

I assumed, based on my reading and observation of MC seeds, that all MC seeds were mono, thus there could only be one MC grown from seed, the original.

So...how did Leo get his MC?  And was it grafted or a seedling?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: March 31, 2015, 09:56:02 PM »
And did Leo mention how he obtained his MC? 

Please define clone for us.

I only understand clone to mean genetically identical. In the case of mango seeds i, and many of us, are under the impression that clones only come from polyembryonic seeds.  There will be multiple embryos then multiple seedlings from one seed. One seedling is sexually derived and genetically different from the parent. The rest of the seedlings are genetically identical to the parent. Please tell us if there were multiple seedlings and how we know the clone seedlings were selected vs the genetically identical seedling.

Maybe I'm confused but, Harry has a 3 MC seeds all planted in one hole. All three seedlings are different from each other as well as there parent.

Quote from: JF on March 31, 2015, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: jc on March 31, 2015, 08:57:48 PM
I thought the topic was focusing on the MCs from Florida.

I think its quite feasible for someone in CA to have MC before Florida. As to your " clones," are they from multiple seedlings from a single MC seed?  Plus one of those fruit labled as MC does not look like the fruit i have or seen posted as MC. Looks pointed...

Quote from: JF on March 31, 2015, 08:17:52 PM
There are multiple clones
Check out my last mango tasting
Last year. Leo Manual had a mahachanok before Excalibur

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12517.25

the topic is *Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...*
but we are talking about Mahachanok in general and when I first saw Leo's tree and the fruits a few years ago I immediately notice a striking differences between Excalibur and even Harry's fruits.. So I ask Leo about his source and the age of the tree......btw, I've posted pix in different threads in this forum of the MC tree and fruits.. The other three seedlings I have are from Florida so I couldn't tell you if they were multiple seedlings from a single MC seed.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: March 31, 2015, 09:00:53 PM »
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Quote from: mangomaniac2 on March 31, 2015, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: bsbullie on March 31, 2015, 08:05:35 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 31, 2015, 07:04:23 PM
The original article is not online anymore, but here is the excerpt that I had harvested way back when. Apparently the thai have multiple clones of their popular cultivars.

"Among the well-known off-season mangoes are 'Sam Ruedu' (a cultivar that bears off-season fruits) and 'Nam Dok Mai' Thawai #4, 'Phimsen Man' Thawai, 'Ok Rong' Thawai, 'Man Duean Kao Thawai' and 'Chok Anan Thawai', all of which are clones of normal-bearing mangoes"

I understand and agree with what you said however i have never seen any publication stating or even hinting there are different sub-cultivars of Mahachanok.
So what is maha-65? That is likely a maha variant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: March 31, 2015, 08:57:48 PM »
I thought the topic was focusing on the MCs from Florida.

I think its quite feasible for someone in CA to have MC before Florida. As to your " clones," are they from multiple seedlings from a single MC seed?  Plus one of those fruit labled as MC does not look like the fruit i have or seen posted as MC. Looks pointed...

Quote from: JF on March 31, 2015, 08:17:52 PM
There are multiple clones
Check out my last mango tasting
Last year. Leo Manual had a mahachanok before Excalibur

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12517.25

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Decided to Plant my Maha Chanok...
« on: March 31, 2015, 08:10:26 PM »
Interesting since both companies are in Lake Worth, Florida. Do you have photos of the two trees and their fruit?

If memory serves, i thought ZHPP didnt even start propagating MC until 2013ish. Not certain about the date, but i remember it being within the past couple of years. I bought my MC from Excalibur in 2012 and to my knowledge ZHPP had yet to start propagating MC.

I thought, Richard Wilson, the owner of Excalibur, and King Harry were the first importers of MC. (Harry in the 1990's and RW in 2000's) Dr Richard Campbell from Fairchild claims to have material from 3 different MC's.

Furthermore everything I've read and my observation of MC seeds/seedlings is that it is monoembryonic.



Quote from: mangomaniac2 on March 31, 2015, 07:24:36 PM
There is a difference between zills and excalibur because I own both of them and can see the difference. Sorry Rob, you are not always right. Most times you are right, but sometimes you may not know for sure but write as if you do.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wind damage....
« on: March 28, 2015, 04:10:22 PM »
Be on the lookout for PM with the upcoming cool and dry weather.

Quote from: fisherking73 on March 28, 2015, 11:37:40 AM
With this chill this morning and last night.................4th bloom???????????   :P ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is your second mango bloom mostly a bust in South Florida?
« on: March 27, 2015, 11:22:42 AM »
Southern Blush, Angie, Maha Chanok, and CC seem to be doing well so far. Recent dry weather seems to have helped.

Too soon to tell on the Dot's third bloom but the first and second have set well. 

Too soon to tell on Brahm Kai Mea but the first fruit was abysmal.


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