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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: luc on September 22, 2013, 01:05:01 PM
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Finally holding it's fruit , not a lot but I will be able to have a few people taste them and give their opinion ...
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Awesome Luc, how big/old is your tree?
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Awesome Luc, how big/old is your tree?
About 5 meters Ethan , has been flowering and aborting for a few years . If I remember correctly was planted from seed 7 - 8 years ago .
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Thank you Luc, IMHO the ones I've had were really nice tasting fruits, I could eat them by the bucket load.
Good luck!
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They can fruit way younger and smaller than that and it may have something to do with variety.The ones that look like big figs with bright red inside are very good. That fruit looks very large and it is common for masses of golf ball sized fruit.
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They can fruit way younger and smaller than that and it may have something to do with variety.The ones that look like big figs with bright red inside are very good. That fruit looks very large and it is common for masses of golf ball sized fruit.
That's the size they are Mike . Golfball , maybe a little bigger..
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Awesome Luc, how big/old is your tree?
About 5 meters Ethan , has been flowering and aborting for a few years . If I remember correctly was planted from seed 7 - 8 years ago .
Luc, you planted those Kwai muk seeds almost exactly 9 years ago on Septermber 25, 2004. See here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rarefruit/message/13289 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rarefruit/message/13289)
I think it's good to give them light fertilizing when they start flowering and fruiting and heavy fertilizing when they are done fruiting.
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Had my first ripe fruits yesterday and I must say I was so impressed that I didn't share any , just one to my son because he has to know the taste.
I remember that the seeds took a long time to germinate so I opened one , they are in a hard husk , I wonder if this way they will sprout faster ??
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Thanks for posting, Luc. I assume that this species must vary considerably in quality because I have had people tell me it is not worth growing and others say it is very good. I tried it for the first time about a week ago and it was very tasty. Anyone know if this can be grafted onto other Artocarpus roostock? (since I don't have any Kwai Muk rootstock) I guess that might also speed up the growth rate a little as well...
John
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I have about 4 trees, from 3 separate sources. One tree has decided to flower finally, about 5ft tall n a 7gal pot.
I'm excited to see if it holds fruits.
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Luc
How do you describe it taste ?
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Can also be grown from cuttings if you find a good one.
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How do you describe it taste ?
I like to call these fruits jakfruit figs. They look like mini jakfruit on the inside but are the size of figs. However, they really taste line neither. The flesh most closely resembles jakfruit flesh but there is no juicy fruit flavor. The flavor of the better ones that I have had are sweet with some sub acidity. I can't really give you much more in the way of flavor description. Frankly, they taste just like Kwai Muk. If I had to say that the flavor is reminiscent of some other fruit, I might say, with considerable reservation...strawberry. There is not a huge amount of flesh and the seeds are fairly large in proportion to the size of the fruit, but I think these are pretty good and worth the effort of growing them. For me, they are much better in taste and smell than marang any day. However, they are not as good as the best jakfruit, in my opinion.
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Any special procedure, Mike, or just some rooting hormone and stick it in some media? I assume hardwood cutting?
John
Can also be grown from cuttings if you find a good one.
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The Kwai Muk that I have tried here in Texas has a nice apricot flavor with citrus overtones. Really worth growing in my opinion.
Thanks,
Ed
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Thanks for posting, Luc. I assume that this species must vary considerably in quality because I have had people tell me it is not worth growing and others say it is very good. I tried it for the first time about a week ago and it was very tasty. Anyone know if this can be grafted onto other Artocarpus roostock? (since I don't have any Kwai Muk rootstock) I guess that might also speed up the growth rate a little as well...
John
Where did you eat the kwai muk? Some people confuse lakoocha with kwai muk, so it's possible you actually tried lakoocha, which in my opinion lakoocha is not as good eating quality. I think i'm the first to introduce kwai muk to Hawaii. BTW i have a bunch of one gallon kwai muk plants available for sale.
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Where did you eat the kwai muk? Some people confuse lakoocha with kwai muk, so it's possible you actually tried lakoocha, which in my opinion lakoocha is not as good eating quality. I think i'm the first to introduce kwai muk to Hawaii. BTW i have a bunch of one gallon kwai muk plants available for sale.
Hi Oscar,
It was a grower over in Hakalau. Not sure where he got the tree, I believe it was seed grown from what he said. The fruit was small, size of a golf ball or perhaps a little bigger.
I need to make a visit down to your place some time -- I know you have a number of things I am interested in.
John
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Thanks for posting, Luc. I assume that this species must vary considerably in quality because I have had people tell me it is not worth growing and others say it is very good. I tried it for the first time about a week ago and it was very tasty. Anyone know if this can be grafted onto other Artocarpus roostock? (since I don't have any Kwai Muk rootstock) I guess that might also speed up the growth rate a little as well...
John
Where did you eat the kwai muk? Some people confuse lakoocha with kwai muk, so it's possible you actually tried lakoocha, which in my opinion lakoocha is not as good eating quality. I think i'm the first to introduce kwai muk to Hawaii. BTW i have a bunch of one gallon kwai muk plants available for sale.
Aaah , this damn Lakoocha , still missing in my orchard , have not been able to germinate a single plant and tried several times....
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The Kwai Muk that I have tried here in Texas has a nice apricot flavor with citrus overtones. Really worth growing in my opinion.
Thanks,Ed
That is what I recall them tasting like- apricot-ish. The texture was a bit stringy, but I liked them very much.
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I have tried lakoochas from a variety of trees from different sources and they are pretty good but varied a bit in quality and character.They are not really stringy, maybe gooey to rubbery and the taste of good ones resembles dry apricots.
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How do you describe it taste ?
I like to call these fruits jakfruit figs. They look like mini jakfruit on the inside but are the size of figs. However, they really taste line neither. The flesh most closely resembles jakfruit flesh but there is no juicy fruit flavor. The flavor of the better ones that I have had are sweet with some sub acidity. I can't really give you much more in the way of flavor description. Frankly, they taste just like Kwai Muk. If I had to say that the flavor is reminiscent of some other fruit, I might say, with considerable reservation...strawberry. There is not a huge amount of flesh and the seeds are fairly large in proportion to the size of the fruit, but I think these are pretty good and worth the effort of growing them. For me, they are much better in taste and smell than marang any day. However, they are not as good as the best jakfruit, in my opinion.
Thank you HMHausman
Strawberry, is one of my favorite fruit. From what I heard, once you eat a marang, it immediately becomes one of your favorite fruits.I guess For most people Jackfruit properly hold the torch for the most delicious fruit from Artocarpus spp.
I guess I need to find a source for Kwai Muk seeds. ::)
Update:
Saw your garden at (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg0901484314828.html (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg0901484314828.html)).... looks Wonderful
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I don't to bring the haus down but I would have to disagree with that quote in that good ones are better than marang. They also have a way higher amount of flesh in fact I struggled to get enough seeds to send to a few chums from the last batch I had. Chempadaks are not all good as they vary so much. Let me dig up a pic.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/nyx2xox3v/DSCF5412.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nyx2xox3v/)
(http://s22.postimg.cc/3pabpuav1/DSCF5414.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/3pabpuav1/)
These 2 are good types but tasted totally different.
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It was a grower over in Hakalau. Not sure where he got the tree, I believe it was seed grown from what he said. The fruit was small, size of a golf ball or perhaps a little bigger.
That may have been me; I had a nursery in Hakalau many years ago, and I did propagate kwai muk. I recall that the fruits were golf ball sized, and quite tasty IMO. All the trees I had were seed grown, from an introduction by Dr Franklin Martin.
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I don't [want] to bring the haus down but I would have to disagree with that quote in that good ones are better than marang. They also have a way higher amount of flesh in fact I struggled to get enough seeds to send to a few chums from the last batch I had.
Not to worry. After all, I am and remain the world's foremost authority on what I personally prefer or like and what I don't.
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How do you describe it taste ?
I like to call these fruits jakfruit figs. They look like mini jakfruit on the inside but are the size of figs. However, they really taste line neither. The flesh most closely resembles jakfruit flesh but there is no juicy fruit flavor. The flavor of the better ones that I have had are sweet with some sub acidity. I can't really give you much more in the way of flavor description. Frankly, they taste just like Kwai Muk. If I had to say that the flavor is reminiscent of some other fruit, I might say, with considerable reservation...strawberry. There is not a huge amount of flesh and the seeds are fairly large in proportion to the size of the fruit, but I think these are pretty good and worth the effort of growing them. For me, they are much better in taste and smell than marang any day. However, they are not as good as the best jakfruit, in my opinion.
Thank you HMHausman
Strawberry, is one of my favorite fruit. From what I heard, once you eat a marang, it immediately becomes one of your favorite fruits.I guess For most people Jackfruit properly hold the torch for the most delicious fruit from Artocarpus spp.
I guess I need to find a source for Kwai Muk seeds. ::)
Update:
Saw your garden at (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg0901484314828.html (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg0901484314828.html)).... looks Wonderful
I think for most people this would not be the case. Jackfruit certainly is the most commonly planted of the artocarpus, but very many people don't like it's taste, i think because it has quite a strong taste, maybe too bubble gummy? Personally i like jackfruits quite a lot, but many don't. Yet i've never had a person taste marang that didn't like it. I think it's more universally liked because it's taste is more delicate or refined. Certainly Harry is in the minority on this one.
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I don't to bring the haus down but I would have to disagree with that quote in that good ones are better than marang. They also have a way higher amount of flesh in fact I struggled to get enough seeds to send to a few chums from the last batch I had. Chempadaks are not all good as they vary so much. Let me dig up a pic.
These 2 are good types but tasted totally different.
Yes i agree with Mike, kwai muk is in the minor leagues, and marang is in major leagues when it comes to fruit quality. My guess is that Harry, living in Florida, has tasted lots of kwai muk, but very few marangs. It's also possible that in Florida, due to their climate and soils, marangs don't produce at their flavor peak.
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Was looking at the Kwai Muk today , cut a small branch , no latex ...I could be wrong but I don't think this can be grafted on Jack.
BMc , did you propagate them from cuttings , can we have a little more info ? Otherwise I gotta start planting all the seeds to graft on , I really would like to have a second tree
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I don't to bring the haus down but I would have to disagree with that quote in that good ones are better than marang. They also have a way higher amount of flesh in fact I struggled to get enough seeds to send to a few chums from the last batch I had. Chempadaks are not all good as they vary so much. Let me dig up a pic.
These 2 are good types but tasted totally different.
Yes i agree with Mike, kwai muk is in the minor leagues, and marang is in major leagues when it comes to fruit quality. My guess is that Harry, living in Florida, has tasted lots of kwai muk, but very few marangs. It's also possible that in Florida, due to their climate and soils, marangs don't produce at their flavor peak.
Actually I have never had a Florida grown marang. To my knowledge, no one has ever fruited one here. All the marang that I have had have been in Puerto Rico. I have had it in multiple years and at several different farms. This last trip we had it at three different farms, I believe. Clearly this is a fruit that is better less ripe as opposed to more ripe. And, perhaps Puerto Rican marang are not as good as marang grown else where? I doubt that this so as the other Asian fruits we have eaten from Puerto Rico were excellent and based upon the comments of others more experienced in eating Asian fruits than I am, these Asian fruits in Puerto Rico do not suffer from any soil insufficiency nor climate inadequacy. I suppose it is possible that I could eat a Hawaiian marang and change my opinion, but I doubt it. I will proudly hang with the minority on this one.
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Was looking at the Kwai Muk today , cut a small branch , no latex ...I could be wrong but I don't think this can be grafted on Jack.
BMc , did you propagate them from cuttings , can we have a little more info ? Otherwise I gotta start planting all the seeds to graft on , I really would like to have a second tree
I thought Felipe posted pics of Kwai muk grafted on jak?
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I didn't express myself very well in my last comments and I meant to say I prefer kwai muk to marangs but both are variable and kwai muk has a better flesh yield. Good commercial marangs tend to have less savoury and herbal overtones and are more fruit 'salady'.
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Was looking at the Kwai Muk today , cut a small branch , no latex ...I could be wrong but I don't think this can be grafted on Jack.
BMc , did you propagate them from cuttings , can we have a little more info ? Otherwise I gotta start planting all the seeds to graft on , I really would like to have a second tree
I thought Felipe posted pics of Kwai muk grafted on jak?
Where was that Adam ? Got plenty of jacks to graft on and I think it is a good time now while there is still a lot of humidity .
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That may have been me; I had a nursery in Hakalau many years ago, and I did propagate kwai muk. I recall that the fruits were golf ball sized, and quite tasty IMO. All the trees I had were seed grown, from an introduction by Dr Franklin Martin.
I tried the fruit at one of our newer member's place -- Hawaiibotanist.44. Perhaps his kwai muk could be traced back to your plants. I think most of his plants go back about 7 years ago when he was building the place. The fruit was tasty and a good size for snacking so I will probably find room for a tree in my planting.
John
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I don't to bring the haus down but I would have to disagree with that quote in that good ones are better than marang. They also have a way higher amount of flesh in fact I struggled to get enough seeds to send to a few chums from the last batch I had. Chempadaks are not all good as they vary so much. Let me dig up a pic.
These 2 are good types but tasted totally different.
Yes i agree with Mike, kwai muk is in the minor leagues, and marang is in major leagues when it comes to fruit quality. My guess is that Harry, living in Florida, has tasted lots of kwai muk, but very few marangs. It's also possible that in Florida, due to their climate and soils, marangs don't produce at their flavor peak.
Actually I have never had a Florida grown marang. To my knowledge, no one has ever fruited one here. All the marang that I have had have been in Puerto Rico. I have had it in multiple years and at several different farms. This last trip we had it at three different farms, I believe. Clearly this is a fruit that is better less ripe as opposed to more ripe. And, perhaps Puerto Rican marang are not as good as marang grown else where? I doubt that this so as the other Asian fruits we have eaten from Puerto Rico were excellent and based upon the comments of others more experienced in eating Asian fruits than I am, these Asian fruits in Puerto Rico do not suffer from any soil insufficiency nor climate inadequacy. I suppose it is possible that I could eat a Hawaiian marang and change my opinion, but I doubt it. I will proudly hang with the minority on this one.
They have favorable soil and climate in PR for production of marang, but they could also be lacking high quality selected types. There is a lot of variation from marang tree to tree, and almost all trees are seedlings. In your case i'm guessing the reason you don't care for marang is probably just the "Harry gag factor". ;)
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Was looking at the Kwai Muk today , cut a small branch , no latex ...I could be wrong but I don't think this can be grafted on Jack.
BMc , did you propagate them from cuttings , can we have a little more info ? Otherwise I gotta start planting all the seeds to graft on , I really would like to have a second tree
Hi Luc, sorry I don't have much more info. Daleys sell a cutting grown cv called Richmond. So it can be grown from cutting but I don't have more info. They flower first year from rooting and flower heavily for 4 years before setting fruit.
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I thought Felipe posted pics of Kwai muk grafted on jak?
I think what he posted was A. lakoocha on jack?
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I thought Felipe posted pics of Kwai muk grafted on jak?
I think what he posted was A. lakoocha on jack?
Lakoocha on jackfruit:
(http://s12.postimg.cc/kyyh11vo9/IMG_9914_Artocarpus_lakoocha_grafted_of_jackfru.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kyyh11vo9/)
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I suspect that the species could be a bit far removed from each other for the tree to lead a long and productive life but you never know.
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thanks Ethan and Felipe!
seems like Kwai muk might work if lakoocha works!
I thought Felipe posted pics of Kwai muk grafted on jak?
I think what he posted was A. lakoocha on jack?
Lakoocha on jackfruit:
(http://s12.postimg.cc/kyyh11vo9/IMG_9914_Artocarpus_lakoocha_grafted_of_jackfru.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kyyh11vo9/)
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Had the last fruits today , skin and all like Bryan Brunner suggested , only 3 developed seeds per fruit . I am happy....
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Now if we could graft marang onto kwai Muk rootstock. Everytime my dirt gets cold and wet my marang seedlings die! Kwaimuk is a tough plant and much easier to grow for me!
Ed
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I have a Kwai Muk next to my house that I need to cut down. It is about 20 feet tall and about 18 inches in diameter. If anyone wants to prune it, uplift it and take it, its yours. :)
You will need chainsaws, backhoes and a way to transport it to its new location!
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Sorry for the confusion, when I mentioned "next to my house", it is inside my property. I own the tree.
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Tasted Kwai muk finally!
I give it a very very high score!!! the flavor reminded me grapefruit (no bitterness) and mango!
the inside of the fruit reminded me of annona, except slightly more fiber...very soft, extremely tasty...about the size of a dinner roll.
was with a group of about 4 people who tasted this for the first time, and everyone loved this fruit
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Tasted Kwai muk finally!
I give it a very very high score!!! the flavor reminded me grapefruit (no bitterness) and mango!
the inside of the fruit reminded me of annona, except slightly more fiber...very soft, extremely tasty...about the size of a dinner roll.
was with a group of about 4 people who tasted this for the first time, and everyone loved this fruit
I also tasted it for the first time recently and was equally impressed. My thoughts were jackfruit/guava/fig. Complex and sweet (the "fig" attribute was suggested by HMHausman and I think it fits).
My only regret is that the skin is hard to get out of the way and the fruits (at least that I had) are small.
But definitely a fan!
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It sounds very tasty! Kwai Muk may need to be grafted to be grown in a pot. I had a 6ft tall Kwai Muk (from seed) in a large pot and it didn't grow very well.
Tomas
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kwai muk vary quite a bit in size, taste and internal color.They are one of the better artocarpus and tolerate cool conditions well.There is a big difference between good and poor selections in terms of fruit quality.
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All my Kwai Muk aborted this year and also all Raul's he must have had over 500 on this tree . Too warm ???
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All my Kwai Muk aborted this year and also all Raul's he must have had over 500 on this tree . Too warm ???
doubt it was too warm, the tree I saw was in the keys.
loaded with fruit....about 30ft tall.
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I need to find a spot to plant a 4ft Kwai Muk I have. It has been waiting in a container ready to go for the last year. How does Kwai Muk perform in part shade?
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Kwai muk should be able to handle temps temps that are high like at least 45c.It is prolonged low humdity and dry wind while not getting enough water that should be the biggest problem.
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I need to find a spot to plant a 4ft Kwai Muk I have. It has been waiting in a container ready to go for the last year. How does Kwai Muk perform in part shade?
surprisingly the one I saw was crowded by other trees, and fruiting heavily still...but definitely had about 50% full sun, maybe more.
the tree is quite tall, and all the fruit gets to be so high up in the tree, it's out of reach...I'm thinking full sun is best if possible to keep the tree shorter....and also this tree should be pruned to keep less than 20ft
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could this fruit be considered a substantial food such as jackfruit and marang? One thing I like about marang is one or maybe two fruits is going to be enough for a meal. also to the person who said they like jackfruit more than marang...perhaps try going to Davao and trying the marangs there., with marang around I simply don't crave jackfruit at all, I didn't even try any jackfruit while in the philippines because I was plenty happy with the marangs
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I would consider it more of a snack type fruit. The fruit are about the same size as a fig.
Ed
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Ok, so who has a good selection that can eventually be distributed for grafting purposes? I would like to know what options are out there in terms of already-tested seedling varieties that are worthwhile.
http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Jakfruit/KwaiMuk11-87.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Jakfruit/KwaiMuk11-87.htm)
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I'm planning on propagating a great tasting one once I get some root stocks going.
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does kwai muk need cross pollination with two trees to fruit?
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does kwai muk need cross pollination with two trees to fruit?
No .
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Ok, so who has a good selection that can eventually be distributed for grafting purposes? I would like to know what options are out there in terms of already-tested seedling varieties that are worthwhile.
http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Jakfruit/KwaiMuk11-87.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Jakfruit/KwaiMuk11-87.htm)
I have an excellent one Jeff , I remember seeds took a long time to germinate ...
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Ok, so who has a good selection that can eventually be distributed for grafting purposes? I would like to know what options are out there in terms of already-tested seedling varieties that are worthwhile.
http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Jakfruit/KwaiMuk11-87.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Jakfruit/KwaiMuk11-87.htm)
I have an excellent one Jeff , I remember seeds took a long time to germinate ...
I got seeds from you Luc, in November, and 2 of 5 seeds are just now starting to send out the radicle. No special treatment on the seeds, and ambient SoCal temps.
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So how long will it take for it to germinate? I have a couple seeds coming. Temps will be 68F minimum at night time.
Thanks,
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In my climate ( PUERTO VALLARTA - MEXICO ) between 4 and 5 months .
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Do you keep the soil moist during all that time? Or let it dry out, then water again? I don't wanna cause the seeds to rot due to too much water.
Thanks,