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Re: Another bad experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #125 on: March 15, 2015, 01:31:10 PM »
I personally have never had a problem with them prior to this durian purchase. You would think when they made such an obvious error on their site they would want to correct the problem immediately but apparently not. Like I said before. This could be resolved in 60 seconds of their time. Why would they want to drag this out for 7-10 business days? They have also not responded to an email that I sent 4 days ago. Guess I'll have to call them again on Monday.

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Re: Another bad experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #126 on: March 15, 2015, 01:49:42 PM »
On the subject of slander, I actually represented a guy in a business defamation case that got a lot of attention last year (maybe the year before). Case involved posts made on a firearms forum and a seller's response by suing the guy in Arizona. I got the case dismissed but it's a good warning for being careful what you say online (especially if someone can allege that you are a competitor).

Of course, it was a particularly stupid decision for the seller that filed the lawsuit. News spread through the firearms forums with several hundred thousand views and at least a thousand posts - not many of which approved of the lawsuit. The seller really damaged its reputation in filing suit, which it probably did not consider before filing.

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Re: Another bad experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #127 on: March 15, 2015, 03:01:49 PM »
Jani - please keep in mind. TT is not a family owned nursery but a plant brokerage business.  I know for a fact they will take orders and then visit/contact other nurseries in an attempt to fulfill the order.  That is in no way the practice of a nursery.

I've had NO bad experiences using Top Tropicals.  I am currently, and will continue to order from them regardless of other's opinions here--so I doubt this thread is detrimental to their business.

Also, I am actually happy to hear what Rob just stated above.  I have ordered some incredibly rare trees which I can find NO where else, and if they went through the trouble to go find them for me, then get a visual and pick out the best specimen, and then pack it as awesome as.they do and ship it, then that is exactly what I want!  I don't mind paying extra for such a middle man service.  Quite honestly, I now understand why my trees from them have looked so much better and healthier than ones I order from other nurseries--it is likely they had to find and pick it out.  That is great customer service.

If their specialty is knowing where to get the rares and making them available for someone who can't, then that works for those who need it--such as me.

I'll mention again, that NO nursery ships trees as good as them from what I've seen.  All branches, flowers and even fruit arrives IN TACT every time.  They also ship trees after March and before June (pin) when other nurseries won't.

Yeah, I'll keep using them.


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Re: Another bad experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #128 on: March 15, 2015, 03:22:02 PM »
I personally have never had a problem with them prior to this durian purchase. You would think when they made such an obvious error on their site they would want to correct the problem immediately but apparently not. Like I said before. This could be resolved in 60 seconds of their time. Why would they want to drag this out for 7-10 business days? They have also not responded to an email that I sent 4 days ago. Guess I'll have to call them again on Monday.

You do realize that just because you used PayPal to make the payment does not mean they received it as a payment to a PayPal account?  If they have it linked to an account like the way my business is set up, them they have to wait up to 10 business days to reverse charges.  I use PayPal avidly, as I also direct deposit a ton of my payroll through them, and the ONLY time I can instantly reverse a charge is if payments were sent PayPal to PayPal, as in by way of an email address or a phone number.  A charge is pulled from the account and takes a week or greater to be reimbursed from the recipients side as well, and will get refunded to PayPal instead of the account it is linked to.  It is annoying, but that is PayPal and not the seller's design.

You're mad at them unnecessarily I think.

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Re: Another bad experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #129 on: March 15, 2015, 04:24:16 PM »
Jani - please keep in mind. TT is not a family owned nursery but a plant brokerage business.  I know for a fact they will take orders and then visit/contact other nurseries in an attempt to fulfill the order.  That is in no way the practice of a nursery.
fair enough Rob, good discussion.
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Re: Another bad experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #130 on: March 15, 2015, 06:46:39 PM »
@ Fruitlover, fair enough and I'm not in anyway making any definitive   statements of what's and who's  right or wrong about how this or any other nursery operates or anything legally. I have no horse on this race. Re: slander and the definition you posted..it seems like it hinges on what's knowingly false, while I like you think the overwhelming contributions by posters here on this thread are genuine or true..none of us can say all of it is..such is Internet anonymity. But I get what your saying..

I just think this is kinda  slippery especially in such a connected niche market and all things should be considered when they're threads like this that could potentially move the market and hurt what are likely family owned small businesses.

I don't think any unfair criticism were made. It's easy to see looking through their website that there were some glaring mistakes. So that could definitely use improvement. It's also easy to see receiving some of their plants that they do an excellent job of shipping plants. I think Jay's summary is correct: for people in Florida probably not best place to shop, but for shipments through the mail to other states they can come in very handy. I don't think any nursery is completely perfect, if you think yours is perfect then you can cast the first stone. In my mind a "good" nursery is one that takes criticisms from customers and is continuously improving, or at least making an effort to improve.
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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #131 on: March 15, 2015, 08:31:28 PM »
Good to see you changed the topic, but the headers on all the replies are the same.
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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #132 on: March 15, 2015, 08:52:39 PM »
Good to see you changed the topic, but the headers on all the replies are the same.

This is a discussion forum.  I have never had any dealings with TT so I have no opinions on the topic.  I changed the header of the original post to be kind, nothing more.  Other nurseries have received bad reviews on this and other forums in the past and aren't censored.  After all, this is the place fellow people who share the same interests come for information.  Take Daves Garden for instance, their site is nothing more than a review site. 

http://davesgarden.com/products/gwd/c/2785/

I would think anyone would want to hear good and bad reviews on any business no?

With that being said.... "All discussion content within the forum reflects the views of individual participants only and do not necessarily represent the views held by the Tropical Fruit Forum as an organization."





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Re: Another bad experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #133 on: March 15, 2015, 11:55:44 PM »
Just looked at their website for the first time in years.  Wow...Rob was correct, shouldn't have done it.  Lots and lots of varieties listed but disappointed to see that only a fraction are actually available.  And the prices for many of these?!  Holy shit!  Personally, it would have to be a variety that I was desperate to have and no one else in the country had available before I would purchase a plant from them.  A seedling durian for $125?!!  The size of the plant they show available is the same size we can get from PR for $10.  If I lived anywhere in Florida, I would make a day trip to Excalibur, PJ's, or any number of member nurseries listed on this forum and spend the day there picking out my own plants instead.  Could visit other members in the area and just make a full day out of it.  Aside from California and Hawaii, sorry, I just don't see the attraction.  Just my small-minded opinion.  Glad I checked the site out...won't need to do that again.

Who is shipping Durian or any other $10 plants from PR right now?

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Re: Another bad experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #134 on: March 15, 2015, 11:59:32 PM »
Am I the only one who doesn't feel comfortable with this? At what point does the line between useful information exchange and almost sabotaging a business gets crossed/blurred? It's not like we are talking about HD or Lowes here that can withstand (and also fight back online) against negative web portrayals..rather this is a smaller business in a very niche market and community that may be severely affected.

Also while I'm sure most of the intentions here are genuine to help members of the forum here, who really knows if there aren't direct competitors here with different aims.  I like to learn of the posters' good and bad experiences with nursuries and those experiences already come through where necessary within conversations on various thread topics. But a whole topic and title dedicated to bashing a business seems harsh (no matter how true).

I've never used TT, and have no horse in this race...but I'll tell you straight up that I've had pretty bad experiences with two of the more highly celebrated nursuries here on this forum..one in South Dade and one up in Western Palm Beach Co (and for Citrus another highly regarded nursery that ship from Tampa area)..but I chalk that up to noone is perfect ESPECIALLY operating in a space like this with living tropical trees,lots of them, shipping etc.

That's not to say they shouldn't be held to account for errors and poor service, and that as customers we should just shut up and take shoddy service, but there's no better way than this? I'm no legal expert, but I'd be careful if this was my website, as to where the line is about slander.

Just my 2 cents.....

No and i even have no experience at all.

But on this forum slandering is quite common unfortunately. It seems that on the West coast lives another breed of people.

What West Coast are you talking about genius?

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #135 on: March 16, 2015, 12:35:45 AM »
I would have to say the assessment is correct.  I had both good experience and bad from TT before.  i got most of my mangoes from them but i live in california so their prices and packing is reasonable.  I also had a sapodilla that I ordered from them that shortly demised after arrival.  Unsure if its them or me though.  Overall, its not a bad price for californians.  Shipping at least for mangoes are well done.
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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #136 on: March 26, 2016, 11:47:40 PM »
any recent experiences with Top Tropicals?

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #137 on: March 27, 2016, 12:49:53 AM »
I just ordered from them in the last couple weeks. Note I only order oddball stuff I cant find elsewhere which they are really good for. Stuff arrived that day in great shape. I would definately order again. I love the "notify me" function they have, unlike most places, I think they actually go looking when they get enough clicks to make an order and then actually send out notices.

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #138 on: March 27, 2016, 02:46:27 PM »
yeah, i got a Feijoa, , a yellow strawberry guava, and something else with that same order
but cant remember what the hell it was... LOL

i was impressed by the packaging and shipping.
all done very well and got here fast.
i like the clearance section too. i think the Feijoa was $9 in a 3gal container.
cant beat it.

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #139 on: March 29, 2016, 02:55:54 PM »
I just ordered a sugar apple tree a couple of days ago.  I swear when I ordered it, it said in a 3 gallon pot, but today it's changed to 1 gallon pot, but the price is the same...  I know I'm getting old but come on my memory can't be that bad. 

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« Reply #140 on: September 07, 2016, 04:21:58 PM »
I have been there about 10 times,most recently about a month ago. Their online catalog isn't always accurate. On several occasions, I have checked their online inventory before driving 35 minutes to them,and they have actually had items that were listed as not in stock online. I imagine it might be because they would have to severely prune some of those trees to fit them in a shipping box,or sometimes the trees seem recently grafted or re-potted and small for the container they are in.
  The average person might recoil in horror at receiving a mango tree pruned back to the main leader to fit it into a box. (Personally, I feel the more leaves on a shipped plant,the worse it fares.) If in doubt,call and ask them to physically check to see if they actually have an item. Overall I have had mostly positive experiences with them,the exception being that very few of their jackfruit trees were actually grafted.Only a handful of the 20 something trees they had that day had graft unions or scars. Of course the varieties I was looking for were definitely NOT grafted trees,so I passed. It might be that they sourced them elsewhere, I remember some posts about other nurseries selling jackfruit seedlings with the name of the parent tree. Overall a bit pricier than other nurseries in the area, but they do have stuff no one else carries. I don't think their notify me function works,The last time I was there they had something in stock that I had eventually found elsewhere. Never got an email saying it was in stock.

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #141 on: September 07, 2016, 05:50:06 PM »
I have ordered multiple thousands of dollars of plants from them over a several year period, so I am more than qualified to share experiences here.

The reality is, they are hit or miss. I now only order from them when I have absolutely no other choice, when there is literally no other shipper in the contiguous US who has the item I am looking for. Because their variety is so extreme, that happens a fair bit of the time.

What They're Good At:
1. Variety - the best variety of tropical fruit shipping I've seen inside the mainland US
2. Ordering - the online ordering process is easy

What They're Bad At:
1. Customer Service - on a shocking level a majority of times, if they happen to mess up. Even though I order from them multiple times a year with large orders, they still treat me like a nobody every single time, and with utter disdain if I happen to notice anything wrong with the order, no matter how polite I am about it. They have sent plants that were grossly mislabeled, nearly dead, clearly diseased, and yet treat me with an amazing amount of disrespect and make my life as hard as possible, rather than simply owning up to the mistake and putting it right without much investment of time and money on my part. I did swear off them completely several times, but my addiction to plants keeps me coming back for things I can't get, especially when I am too ill to travel locally to buy plants in SFL. Fortunately, a majority of their plants do not cause these problems, but a good 10% of them do. The 3 day window for filing a claim is unreasonable, particularly with dormant plants. For instance, they shipped me bulbs that were not described as bulbs but as full plants when I bought them. The bulbs appeared rotted. They refused to acknowledge that anything was amiss because they said the bulbs were deciduous and dormant - but they were shipped in the middle of summer in FL (and has clearly had their tops cut off)! So how did they manage to arrive with no leaves, 6 months after the last frost?? They insisted that the plants were fine, and if kept consistently moist and warm, should put up new sprouts a FULL YEAR LATER... um, what? I don't even live in an area that ever reaches freezing. So there is no way to dispute that if in fact the bulbs do NOT sprout and are in fact rotted, because the window is only 3 days and they are saying it will take a year to get even a leaf on it (which would mean the bulbs were dormant for a full 1.5 years). Whatever.

I could list a LOT of customer service incidents, but another one was the fact that my order once arrived missing 4 out of 20 items. The plants were listed on my invoice though. Top Tropicals is difficult to get ahold of, because they refuse to answer the phone. So when we finally managed a series of emails back and forth, I at last got the answer that they had run out and decided not to ship the plants to me. No email, no warning, no notice, no explanation. No sorry. No discount. No refund. They charged my credit card anyway. They said that as soon as they got replacement plants in, they would send them, but no clue as to how many months that would take - and they seemed very annoyed that I would ask them WHEN. I had to write the question multiple times before they responded to it, and even then only with a very vague answer of 'we don't know when.' I could have wasted less time if I had been able to call, but they refuse to use the phone. When I leave phone messages, they don't reply. I had to ask them if they could please email me when they DO send them on, so I at least know they're coming, because they do not necessarily let you know. Their communication is terrible. I did not bother to put up much of a fight that time, because the price was a good deal and at least they would still honor it.But it's not much of a deal if it shows up a year late, perhaps when I'm out of town and they don't bother to notify me.

2. Price - they overcharge for nearly everything they sell, and some things are WAY overcharged. They also do not make their handling and shipping prices transparent, and it often costs far far more than what it should when you try to break it down via the cart.

3. Seeds - in my experience, the vast majority of their seeds are shipped dead. Having said that, the ones that actually sprouted, grew well - but that was maybe 5% of the hundreds I bought. Even during their Fall seed sale, the price for the seeds is often high, and the shipping cost is far more than it costs them to send them in the cheap envelope via USPS they do.

4. Consistency - Consistency is poor. I have a lot of plants that I bought 3 years ago that are still doing well. But by and large, the "clearance" items, while the most reasonably priced, should be bought with the understanding that they either will be great or a total loss. Probably 3/4 of clearance items are usually in terrible health, not marked clearance because no one wants them or they just felt like being generous. A number have been sent to me basically already dead. The prices on the site are changing a lot, and they don't care if you just ordered something 2 days ago and it hasn't arrived to you yet, but now is suddenly being sold for half price - they charge whatever it was when you bought it. One item I bought at 1 gal size that cost $40, not including shipping which was another $25 tacked on. I thought the price was outrageous, but I really wanted that item, which was rare in the US. I received a healthy but tiny plant with only a single stalk on it and about 4 leaves - but it did well in my yard and tasted delicious, so I wanted more. 6 months later they had it back in stock again, same size, but only $20 plus the $25 shipping this time. I thought at least that's better, so I tried again. Weirdly, this time the plant was easily a size that could have been classified as a 3g, and had maybe 12 stalks and more leaves than I could count. So I got like 4 times the plant, for half the list price. Experiences like this make up for some of the other money I wasted with them. It is common that if you buy more than one of the same thing, especially if spaced out over months or years, you will get vastly different quality, size, or shape. This works out in your favor as much as it works against you. If you buy multiples all in the same order, they usually are close to the same size and quality as each other.


Some Good Some Bad:
Their shipping has improved over the past few years. They used to use hordes of non-biodegradable styrofoam peanuts, and they always strapped their trunks so tight to the poles and to the root balls that they damaged them and cutting them was nearly impossible without causing further damage to the trees. That has much improved, and now they use airbags and a more loose wrapping style, which serves the plants much better (as well as the environment).

I notice too that they seem to have hired a few new people lately for customer service, and while they still usually take the stance that "the customer is always wrong," the new people seem far more polite and better at dealing with the public and at least ATTEMPTING to resolve issues in a timely and respectful way. Hopefully they will keep working on this.

Their labeling is wrong more than it should be - perhaps 10-15% of the time, from what I've seen. It's not gross mislabeling, like the wrong species, but frequently is the wrong color by far, or the wrong variety. They also give frequently incorrect info and instructions on their website for individual plants.

I learned the hard way, to avoid problems with them, always pay via PayPal, and if there is a problem, if they don't correct it immediately, escalate it as a dispute with PayPal. They utterly ignored me for 4 consecutive weeks of repeated contact until I did this, and then, knowing they would lose with PayPal because my issue was clearcut and they were in the wrong, and it would affect their rating, they refunded me promptly for the amount I was owed within 24 hrs of my escalating it within Paypal. It's too bad I had to go that far, because I wanted to work it out with them directly, and the amount they owed me wasn't that much. But it was an obvious issue that time where they had charged me for something they never had in stock in the first place, due to an inventory error with their computer that time (separate from the incident I mentioned above where a similar thing happened).




I think they run their business terribly. But they have plants that no one else in this country has who can take credit card via an online ordering form and ship to you. They're not scammers. But whenever I have any other option besides them, I take it.

Consumers deserve to see honest reviews like this before they order. I wanted to love them. But they mess up on the same few issues over and over again, and are defiantly unapologetic. Sometimes they send good plants, that are correctly labeled, and impossible to get elsewhere. I'm glad they exist - I certainly don't want them to go out of business. I just wish they would make an effort to improve the things they suck at, so good customers like myself could wholeheartedly recommend them. They have never once apologized to me, or refunded me without hassle, or given me a discount for my troubles, even on the multiple times when they were clearly in the wrong and I was being extremely polite and patient with their mistakes. Sometimes their reps were outright rude. They generally act like I, as their customer, am a hassle to them and that all they value is my credit card number, not our business relationship. So if this review steers business away from them, they fully deserve it. If they had competition rather than a monopoly, I would go to the competition.
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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #142 on: September 07, 2016, 06:14:45 PM »
Incidentally, Top Tropicals currently has a Better Business Bureau rating of a C+. The reason given is that they had a complaint which they failed to resolve. It was the only one ever filed. But they were given credit for being open a decently long time and having many customers, for only 1 complaint. I try not to do business with any company that has a rating less than a B+, where possible. I suspect that they would have far more complaints if people bothered to go through the BBB process, but I certainly would hope that they would not be stupid enough to ignore the next ones, so their rating might remain close to the same over time. I would give them probably a C- overall. I hope they will someday care enough about their business and their customers to improve, because they have a great thing going if they can simply show more appreciation for the business they do get, rather than sticking up their virtual middle finger at loyal customers.

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #143 on: September 07, 2016, 08:48:28 PM »
I have ordered many many plants from TT over the last couple of years. They always had great customer service; I never had any trouble contacting them by e-mail or phone and if a plant arrived dead then they always issued me a refund or credit. Shipping is also reasonable to California and they ship by air, so the plants arrive two days after they shipped. This is unlike Plant-O-Gram where shipping prices are absurd and they ship ground.

Like all nurseries they occasionally mislabel things; I think I've had one plant mislabelled (as far as I know at least) which was just a flowering plant anyway. Also they often list 3-gallon plants but they're actually 1-gallon or less; this isn't common but it happens. However you can ask them to send you a photo of the actual plants for sale.

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #144 on: September 08, 2016, 08:40:57 AM »
I had an Imam Pasand mango from Top Tropicals delivered last week and experienced no problems. I live a few hours away from Ft. Myers and decided the cost of shipping was worth the not having to drive a few hours. The plant is recovering well from its shipping experience, and will go into the ground this weekend.
Based on this experience, I'd say if you can, it's worth picking up the plant from the nursery yourself. This is not criticism of TT; it's just that for shipping, a lot of foliage is clipped off, the pot is cut to about half the size so it holds less soil and is thus lighter. A plant bought from a nursery is fuller, is usually better branched, has more foliage and just looks healthier.
On the other hand, if the nursery is far away (or like me, you're too lazy to drive 4-5 hours for one plant), what options do you really have?

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #145 on: September 08, 2016, 09:00:21 AM »
I've had multiple mislabeled trees from them, including a Tong Dam that turned out to be a PSM, a Quidnau that turned out to be a Cac, a Dominicana that turned out to be a Glenn, and a Heidi that was actually a Tommy Atkins. An unacceptably high rate of mislabeled trees.

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #146 on: September 08, 2016, 09:12:38 AM »
Mama didn't raise no fool (this after losing 2 avocado trees that had a butchered root system upon arrival).  ::)

Now days, if I can't have it, I'll do without.  There are plenty of quality ops out there.  If enough folks stopped falling for their bullshit, stopped ordering from them, then perhaps they might get the message.   

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #147 on: September 08, 2016, 09:54:38 AM »
TT was selling variegated guava in 1 gallons for $100 and sold out in first day. Went to the nursery they got the variegated guava from and purchased same 1 gallon variegated guava for $15.

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #148 on: September 08, 2016, 10:02:21 AM »
TT was selling variegated guava in 1 gallons for $100 and sold out in first day. Went to the nursery they got the variegated guava from and purchased same 1 gallon variegated guava for $15.

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Re: Another experience with Top Tropicals Nursery
« Reply #149 on: September 08, 2016, 03:07:49 PM »
What is the name of that nursery? Do they ship plants? Even to California? Many true nurseries only deal with commercial bulk purchasers and can't be bothered to deal with individuals.

 

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