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Temperate Fruit & Orchards => Temperate Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: kevinfolta on September 20, 2020, 08:57:08 AM
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Has anyone attempted to test graft compatibility within the Annonaceae? I have a few dozen pond apple yearlings that I won't use for anything. I'm curious if there is any precedent of successful grafts with A. triloba. Looking for interesting graft-inducible weirdnesses (dwarfing, precocious flowering,etc).
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Since they are not in the same family, it would be hard but doesn't hurt to try. I have tried grafting mulberry to jackfruit and it looks like it took...time will tell.
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Asimina and Annona are different genera, but they ARE in the same family: Annonaceae.
Graft compatibility is not consistently per classification hierarchies: incompatibility can occur even within what is currently classified as a same species, and compatibility can occur between two genera.
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Keep on getting genus and species mixed up :-\
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I just watched a presentation by Kentucky State University pawpaw researchers in which it was asserted that Asimina triloba is not graft-compatible with Annona species.
However, this was not with Annona glabra specifically in mind.
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Thanks Everyone,
Thanks for your thoughts. I guess I have to do the experiment. Results next summer!
kevin
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Good luck!
I just noticed your Signature line - are you interested in A. triloba in that context?
It seems like it would be a great object of research. To me it’s like the durian of North American native fruits - it has a powerful aroma (though nothing like durian in scent!) and odd, nuanced, highly variable flavors....
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Check out other Asimina species. The others are all native to Florida, and are generally smaller than triloba. Lots of potential for dwarfing and other weirdness. https://www.indefenseofplants.com/blog/2018/3/13/the-other-pawpaws (https://www.indefenseofplants.com/blog/2018/3/13/the-other-pawpaws)
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I thought somebody on this forum had successfully grafted cherimoya to paw paw?? Now, I have no idea what specific varieties. But apparently loquats can be grafted onto apples pears and quinces, and that’s pretty far out there... I must wonder who has time for all these strange futile grafting endeavors LOL
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You may be thinking of usirus who is trying to cross cherimoya with pawpaw.
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There are 2 pawpaw (Asimina triloba) species that do not take other grafts onto them according to KYSU research.
I thought somebody on this forum had successfully grafted cherimoya to paw paw?? Now, I have no idea what specific varieties. But apparently loquats can be grafted onto apples pears and quinces, and that’s pretty far out there... I must wonder who has time for all these strange futile grafting endeavors LOL
Seems the apple or rosaceae family things cross a lot
A intergeneric hybrid happens a lot in the rose family See pear x mountain ash berry = shipova (found hundreds of years ago)
(the latin name will have a x in front like this X Sorbopyrus auricularis)
As for hybrids of Asimina with Florida ones I'd be interested in that myself
One thing that I would be afraid of grafting is the graft might out grow the small Florida species ,
but I am really not sure just a possibility as it happens I hear with other stuff.
another interesting species in Florida is the 2 Deeringothamnus (beautiful Pawpaw)
Asimina manasota is said to be discovered less then 15 years ago so who knows what else is still out there.