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These guys ate both types and liked the redder one better, one even said he likes it more than purple mangosteen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LryMmA0YwfA

x - your behavior that only benefits you (ie all the fruit)

Using all the fruit as an example of someone whose behavior only benefits himself and not others sounds very odd.

He probably uses several hours each day during his holidays (which he has paid with his own money, no donations requested!) to film and edit the most interesting fruit videos on youtube, and keeps on going even though the videos get only a few hundred views each. Still there's no watering down or faking stuff or creating controversy for the videos to get more viewers in order to monetize, and there's no agenda being pushed or anything for sale. The only benefit that I can see for him is that he enjoys making the videos and sharing information about rare fruits and foraging.

Also, even if he wanted to give free seeds to every random guy who asks for them in the video comments, successfully getting seeds abroad might not be that simple, especially as a foreigner. There's been times where even locals haven't been able to export seeds by mail and, at least last year in Indonesian side, a phyto certificate was required for sending seeds abroad (1-2 weeks wait, with the seeds quarantined at an AG office I guess - not sure in how many locations this can even be done in or is it possible for foreigners at all).

Sorry to hijack your topic, but I have a somewhat related question, and am hoping the person who can answer yours could at least make an educated guess for mine too

What makes a grafted tree fruit faster? Is it just about the age of the parent tree the scion is from or does something (chemically/hormonally?) change when the parent tree fruits for the first time and only after that grafting a scion from that tree speeds up fruiting?

For example, assuming a seedling takes 10 years to fruit, would grafting a scion from a 5 year tree (so maybe halfway to fruiting) reduce time to fruit compared to simply growing the seedling?

I got to eat a lot of baccaurea fruits this year, some notes about the taste + Thai names. Seems like there are good tasting cultivars (or maybe just random seed-grown trees?) out there, but most of the stuff available locally is the small and sour types.

Tampoi / ลังแข (Langkhae) or ลูกปุย (Luukpui)

First lot from a roadside market in Phanga were small and sour and had quite lot of "soil taste" and smell. Second lot from a different stall at the same place were better size, but still quite sour and with some of the soil taste. For third try, ordered online from the deep south and those were larger with perfect balance of sweet and sour and without soil taste.

Rambai / ละไม (Lamai)

First rambai from a local market were very sour and with little to eat. Found more later at another market, and they were bigger and still quite sour but in a nice way. The aftertaste reminds me of redcurrants, for some reason.

Red mafai / มะไฟกา (Mafai gaa)

Nice looking red fruit in large bunches, but at least these ones were super sour! I ate quite a lot because I wanted to keep seeds from fruits that were both larger and sweeter. My gums and stomach hurt afterwards - usually I enjoy sour fruit, but this is too much.

Jampuling / จำปูลิง

Nice sweet and sour taste, but there's very little to eat in each fruit.

1. Durian
2. Atemoya
3. Strawberry
4. Mangosteen
5. Rambutan

Top 5 of this year:

1. Durian
2. Sweet maphuut (garcinia dulcis)
3. Pulasan (first time trying)
4. Unnamed mini size cempedak from local market
5. Namhom coconut

Almost made the list: tampoi, Samui langsat, phet pakchong sugar apple/atemoya

Finally got some cherapus today from another seller in the deep south. Also for us a lot them were already damaged in transport, and the fruit were very unevenly sized, mostly smaller than the ones in OP photos.

My impression about the taste: like a good mandarin orange that's slightly overripe, some blueberry flavor thrown in, but also a slight medicinal background taste and aftertaste, similar to what starfruit sometimes has. Amount of latex wasn't too bad, lips a bit sticky but none on the teeth

Would probably be quite good if picked from tree perfectly ripe and eaten right away, but I feel that of the non-mangostana garcinia commonly available here, sweet dulcis is in a totally different league.

Hi,

Where did you order them from, and do you know if they still have some available? Been wanting to try (and plant!) them for a long time as well.

Yesterday there was a Facebook posting by someone in Yala selling cherapu, but they were already out of stock by the time we noticed

Stuff not yet mentioned here that seems to work well in Thailand:

- Salak - fruits basically all year round, nice package to eat out of hand, also good in syrup
- Phet Pakchong sugar apple - excellent fruit, grafted plants fruit in a year or so, but at least mine have a super bad fruit fly problem
- Mayong chit - very good price (more expensive per kg than durian!) during the few first weeks of the season.
- Longkong - used to be common, a bit out of fashion now

Around a month ago, we heppened to see "yellow forest mangosteen" fruit for sale online and ordered some.

Most of the smaller fruit were very sour (there seemed to be some small super-sour hard chunks in addition to flesh), but some of the bigger ones were quite sweet and okay, tasting like a mangosteen that's a little bit too ripe. Lot of seeds, not very much to eat and the flesh sticks to the seeds, similarily to tampoi. Planted a few of the seeds from the bigger fruit and all of them sprouted within 2 weeks.

Googling forest mangosteen (มังคุดป่า / mangkhut bpaa)  suggests that there's a pinkish red/orange forest mangosteen type called phawa (พะวา) and some pages mention scientific name garcinia celebica meaning that it could be the seashore mangosteen.

However, also the yellow ones we bought seem to be commonly called phawa, and pages about phawa or forest mangosteen often include photos of both types.

Pinkish red/orange phawa:
https://medthai.com/%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B2/

Yellow phawa:
https://www.nanagarden.com/product/320593

Is the pinkish red/orange one seashore mangosteen?

Any idea what the scientific name for the yellow one could be?

Hi,

Do you ship via normal mail also or is DHL the only option?

In the web store, it shows USD 130 as DHL shipping charge even with only one small item in the cart, at least if Thailand is selected as the shipping destination. That feels quite expensive and packages sent via courier companies also seem to get extra attention at customs here...

Theferns server has returned only empty pages for a few weeks already, but the Useful Tropical Plants site can still be browsed at least partially via the Wayback Machine.

I wanted to post a direct link to the archive, but "CleanTalk" (whatever it is) assumes I'm a spammer and doesn't let me post links here...

To get to the Useful Tropical Plants archive:
1. Type web.archive.org in the web browser url bar
2. Enter tropical.theferns.info in the web archive url field
3. Click "November 1, 2022." (or whatever is the latest date displayed) that appears below the url field
4. You are now in the latest archived front page

We have 3-4 year old seedlings of Borneo forest durio (graveolens, oxleyanus, dulcis, lowianus - two of each) in our small backyard garden. We are considering getting more land, and in that case I would like to plant these in a bit bigger scale.

Are the other durio graft compatible with zibethinus (durian baan) rootstock? Searching the forum the only related result was fruitlovers saying in 2015 that graveolens should be compatible with zibethinus, but maybe someone on the forum has practical experience of successes/failures already?

Also, what would be the best case flowering scenario for trees grafted with scions from 3-4 old seedlings? I assume it would be slower than scions from already fruiting trees, but might still be faster than planting seed? For example, according to info on theferns, for example graveolens from seed might flower in 6 years.

1. Durian. Most durian varieties are good when just fallen or cut late enough with just the right ripeness - not crispy and not yet mushy. The best durian taste experience for me so far was a gaanyao fruit from our orchard - perfectly ripe, as it fell from from light touch when it was just about to be cut. If buying durians at the market, I prefer durian baan (basically random/unknown variety small durian with a strong smell) as the trees are usually very high and hard to climb, so people sell fallen ones instead of cutting the fruit down underripe as with the real commercial varieties. Also, small light fruit means small cost if the taste or texture is not as expected

2. Atemoya. We have a Phet Pakchong in the backyard, and this year it produced a huge amount of big fruits with excellent taste.

3. Strawberry. Grown in northern climate, bought from the marketplace and enjoyed in the park on a sunny summer day that's probably colder than the coldest day of the year here in the tropics
 
4. Mangosteen. Perfect taste, can be consumed in big amounts for many days in a row. Taste is the same (at least almost) no matter if picked from tree a bit unripe or collected as fallen fruit from under the tree, so there's no need to have your own tree to get good fruit, unlike with eg. durian.

5. Rambutan. Nice seasonal fruit, but gets boring faster than mangosteen. Haven't tried pulasan yet.