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Need Id: Garcinia
« on: September 11, 2015, 08:49:44 AM »

 Hi,

 I would like to identify the Rheedia/Garcinia in the pictures below...

 I have a pair of them and the largest one seems to have set its first fruits.

 They are probably 10 years old or more and are slow growers,
 probably from being crowded and shaded by 3 larger achachairus ,
 which despite being much larger have yet to bloom (grrrr).

 Anyways, I had thought/hoped these plants were Luc's mexican garcinia, but the leaves look too round
 compared to those that people have posted in the forum of Luc's limoncillo. So, it must something else,
 probably Garcinia xanthochymus, Garcinia tinctoria, which I did grow from seed.
 
Opinions?

 

Overall look of the plant. Achachairu's in the background.


Small fruits forming...



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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2015, 04:10:07 PM »
Hi Sergio

Congratulations!... you're probably the first to fruit Garcinias in PT.

Sorry can't help on the ID... I can't even keep any Garcinia alive up here... my last Luc's Limoncillo died last winter.

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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2015, 04:53:40 PM »

 Hi Miguel.
 Thanks, let's not count your chickens before they're hatched...
 Those pea sized fruits might still fall...

 
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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2015, 05:07:25 PM »

 Hi Miguel.
 Thanks, let's not count your chickens before they're hatched...
 Those pea sized fruits might still fall...
Yes but it's a great achivement! Great tree... congratulations!  ;D

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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2015, 05:11:12 PM »
only two Garcinias in my collection have leaves like the plant in your photo.

one is Luc's Garcinia, the other is Garcinia gardneriana (I have two varieties, or possibly species, labeled as G. gardneriana, the one with larger leaves looks like your tree)

I believe your tree is G. gardneriana.

congrats of on fruit set, I think you will be impressed by this fruit.

the variety I have with small leaves is the best Garcinia fruit I've tasted so far...I bet the larger leaved type will make a larger fruit (much like Luc's Garcinia, which is probably a subspecies of G. gardneriana).
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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2015, 05:05:43 AM »
only two Garcinias in my collection have leaves like the plant in your photo.

one is Luc's Garcinia, the other is Garcinia gardneriana (I have two varieties, or possibly species, labeled as G. gardneriana, the one with larger leaves looks like your tree)

I believe your tree is G. gardneriana.

congrats of on fruit set, I think you will be impressed by this fruit.

the variety I have with small leaves is the best Garcinia fruit I've tasted so far...I bet the larger leaved type will make a larger fruit (much like Luc's Garcinia, which is probably a subspecies of G. gardneriana).

Hi Adam.

Thanks for your input. G. gardneriana !? I don't recall planting these seeds, but
it has been so long ago that everything is becoming very foggy.

I do remember Luc sending me his Garcinia seeds. So, for now, you raise my hopes
my plant could still be one of those.

Speaking of Garcinias, any suggestion on how to coax my Achachairu's to fruit? The three I have are
already 3.5 m tall and very full. I never expected them to take longer to fruit/bloom than my mamoncillos...
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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2015, 06:34:27 AM »
Sure looks like big leafed gardneriana.

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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2015, 05:54:09 PM »
Siafu,It is gardneriana, but another way to confirm is to check the prominence of the midrib

Gardneriana'a midrib is relatively prominent when compared to Lucs garcinia (which has a flatter leaf surface)

Also the fruit shape and flower type of your tree is consitent with G gardneriana
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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2015, 07:28:33 PM »
Garcinias are a pain ….
Yesterday I looked at about 10 Mex. Garcinia and also the gardneriana , this last one is guaranteed a gardneriana , was collected with the fruits in the presence of Harri Lorenzi …..so unless there are different types of gardneriana or Lorenzi is wrong I will say your tree Miguel is the Mexican one . Makes also more sense since you have this one growing a lot longer than the other folks in the TFF.
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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2015, 07:51:45 PM »
Garcinias are a pain ….
Yesterday I looked at about 10 Mex. Garcinia and also the gardneriana , this last one is guaranteed a gardneriana , was collected with the fruits in the presence of Harri Lorenzi …..so unless there are different types of gardneriana or Lorenzi is wrong I will say your tree Miguel is the Mexican one . Makes also more sense since you have this one growing a lot longer than the other folks in the TFF.

If u never collected gardneriana seeds I would agree with Luc, it's probably Mexican garcinia
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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2015, 04:15:57 AM »
Thank you guys.

Will see how it develops. Hopefully, the fruit will hold and grow to maturity.
I consult the forum again if that time comes.

Next move is to place a machete next to the achachairus to let them
know I mean business...  ;D
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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2015, 10:52:38 AM »
Sergio,
According to a commercial grower, achachairu may take seven to ten years to fruit in northeast Brasil, in a location just south of the Equator. How old is your achachairu?

Your other garcinia looks like Luc's garcinia/Mexican garcinia.  Also, how old is this tree?
Thank you for your response.
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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2015, 12:40:54 PM »

Hi Berto,

I received the mexican garcinia seeds from Luc in 2005.
So these plants are 10 years old, although the first bloom was 2 years ago.

The achachairu plants are a couple of years older: at least 12 years old. The seeds
came from Puerto Rico.

They are slow in my climate and soil/water conditions. Chelated micro-elements
often are rewarded with a growth flush, soon after. It's something I recommend
to anyone growing garcinias in less than ideal conditions.



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Re: Need Id: Garcinia
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2015, 01:07:45 PM »
btw,

here is another way to tell the difference between the large leaf gardneriana and Luc Garcinia.

the underside of gardneriana's foliage is somewhat silvery, with more distinct lateral nerves.

Luc's Garcinia has a yellow midrib, which sticks out like a sore thumb when compared to gardnerianas green midrib.

it's easy to tell them apart when you compare the underside of the leaf, and the venation.

can you guess which is which?




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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2015, 02:28:45 PM »

I will check the under-side of the leaves on my next visit. I am currently in Lisbon, away from these
plants. Still, that prominent midrib you mention does look familiar.

What worries me, it the shape of the leaf. Mine do not look as pointed as yours.  That's the reason
I was thinking it might not be Luc's garcinia.

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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2015, 02:35:29 PM »

I will check the under-side of the leaves on my next visit. I am currently in Lisbon, away from these
plants. Still, that prominent midrib you mention does look familiar.

What worries me, it the shape of the leaf. Mine do not look as pointed as yours.  That's the reason
I was thinking it might not be Luc's garcinia.

leaf shape of gardneriana seems to be more slender and lance shaped...luc's is broader, and larger leaved...but it can be lance shaped as well.
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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2015, 02:43:11 PM »
Sergio,
I appreciate your feedback.
My achachairu is only five years old, and is growing like a weed.  On the other hand, my Luc's garcinia/Mexican garcinia does not grow well during the hot Summer here in my place, in SW Florida.  They like cooler weather in Spring and in the Fall, apparently.

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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2015, 03:43:06 PM »

Hi Berto,

Have you tried to drench the soil with some chelated iron or micros?

Some species of Garcinia respond well to that. Maybe your soil is fine it
won't make a difference, but for me it sure helped to get them going.

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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2015, 07:13:22 PM »
Garcinias are a pain ….
Yesterday I looked at about 10 Mex. Garcinia and also the gardneriana , this last one is guaranteed a gardneriana , was collected with the fruits in the presence of Harri Lorenzi …..so unless there are different types of gardneriana or Lorenzi is wrong I will say your tree Miguel is the Mexican one . Makes also more sense since you have this one growing a lot longer than the other folks in the TFF.

If u never collected gardneriana seeds I would agree with Luc, it's probably Mexican garcinia

Today again I checked the gardneriana and my other Garcinias  , last time it was raining like hell so i did not spend a lot of time , I was surprised at how small the leaves are , never really paid much attention to it . 9 years old and still nothing .....
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