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Title: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 14, 2020, 04:15:11 PM
Hello, I have been looking to buy any of the following lychee trees. Located in California. Budget: high.

1) Wuheli A4 Seedless lychee
2) guandong seedless lychee
3) Erdon Lee Lychee
4) Pometia pinnata (Fijian Longan/Island Lychee)


Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 14, 2020, 04:34:55 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/LYnMR6n3/giant-fiji-longan.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LYnMR6n3)
The Fiji Longan to chase is the giant with leathery skin.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 14, 2020, 05:46:40 PM
Wow that’s awesome. How does it taste?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 14, 2020, 05:49:42 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/LYnMR6n3/giant-fiji-longan.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LYnMR6n3)
The Fiji Longan to chase is the giant with leathery skin.

Wow that’s awesome. What does it taste like?

Also is that a pulasan in your profile pic?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 14, 2020, 07:33:27 PM
I only tried an over ripe one but very good. A4 lychee is from Guandong. Are you sure they are not the same and are both Sansuelin variety you are chasing? Not many Erdon Lees around.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 14, 2020, 11:38:33 PM
I only tried an over ripe one but very good. A4 lychee is from Guandong. Are you sure they are not the same and are both Sansuelin variety you are chasing? Not many Erdon Lees around.

They are probably the same then, I just collect every name I can find of the seedless lychee. Its hard to find any info on it. It seems like erdon lee is common in Australia but no one knows in USA. I am trying to find the A4 the most.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: wangyouqin on October 15, 2020, 11:50:16 AM
Hi
Seedless litchi comes from China.
There are 2 types
A4 (Completely non-nuclear)
There is another kind, the fruit is huge and seedless (large egg)
But I send you branches from China, maybe the grafting survival rate is not high ;D
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: wangyouqin on October 15, 2020, 12:08:58 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/z3tFW4GS/1592962097303311-628.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z3tFW4GS)
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: wangyouqin on October 15, 2020, 12:13:19 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/qzr4sDDq/u-2629652076-71346635-fm-15-gp-0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzr4sDDq)
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: eduardo_98 on October 15, 2020, 04:16:03 PM
Got any air layered or marcotted trees?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 15, 2020, 08:52:18 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/gL2mKsNc/erdon-lee.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gL2mKsNc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tY1HCYcc/Seedless-Lychee.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tY1HCYcc)
The second pic post by wang sure looks like erdon lee. Above is erdon lee and the big seedless in Australia. Yes a pulasan in my profile pic, a big sibabat
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on October 15, 2020, 09:21:51 PM
Sorry to interupt on this thread, but it makes me wonder why these varieties have not landed in the US yet?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: wangyouqin on October 15, 2020, 09:27:00 PM
Sorry to interupt on this thread, but it makes me wonder why these varieties have not landed in the US yet?

Because the grafting takes 2 years to bear fruit. China has only had varieties in these 2 years. And the U.S. customs are stricter
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 15, 2020, 11:40:41 PM
China might not have Erdon Lee yet and the Sansuelin seedless has been in Australia at least 7 years. Australian Customs are even stricter than the US. maybe the US is not ready for an out of sequence fruit and needs to go though is Fai zee sui phase yet to avoid a great disturbance in the continuum.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: wangyouqin on October 16, 2020, 12:23:21 AM
China might not have Erdon Lee yet and the Sansuelin seedless has been in Australia at least 7 years. Australian Customs are even stricter than the US. maybe the US is not ready for an out of sequence fruit and needs to go though is Fai zee sui phase yet to avoid a great disturbance in the continuum.
I also agree with you. Mainly US legal protection. Even if there is, I dare not just sell the fruit in the market, it is normal not to see it

I gave it to fans in the United States last year. Sent the seedless lychee grafted branches. Confiscated by the customs, although it is free, it is still a pity
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: spaugh on October 16, 2020, 12:51:07 AM
People have seedless lychee trees in CA.  I know someone with one that is already fruiting who is a member here.  Ive got a small tree that is supposed to make large seedless fruit from China.  Just picked it up this year so I can't personally confirm how it looks but the seller is a reputible guy.  Theres several seedless varieties here.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 16, 2020, 01:31:46 AM
That is right there are a few seedless and they must be in the US by now especially the Sansuelin which is big and of high quality. I do doubt that Erdon Lee is in general circulation yet however and that variety is a game changer.I think the A4 name is only on paper - no pun intended. I remember posting about a big fruited selection of Fai zee siu a few years ago with pics. Are they around in California or Florida yet?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 16, 2020, 06:32:36 AM
Fai zee siu is a respectable fruit if you cant get your first choice. You'll be hocking up the brewsters after trying them. Any fruit that has a name meaning concubine laughing is worth a shot.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 16, 2020, 11:49:39 AM
People have seedless lychee trees in CA.  I know someone with one that is already fruiting who is a member here.  Ive got a small tree that is supposed to make large seedless fruit from China.  Just picked it up this year so I can't personally confirm how it looks but the seller is a reputible guy.  Theres several seedless varieties here.

Can any of them help me get one? Is yours the guandong?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 16, 2020, 11:56:06 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/gL2mKsNc/erdon-lee.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gL2mKsNc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tY1HCYcc/Seedless-Lychee.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tY1HCYcc)
The second pic post by wang sure looks like erdon lee. Above is erdon lee and the big seedless in Australia. Yes a pulasan in my profile pic, a big sibabat

Isnt the A4 the biggest seedless variety?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 16, 2020, 11:59:53 AM
Fai zee siu is a respectable fruit if you cant get your first choice. You'll be hocking up the brewsters after trying them. Any fruit that has a name meaning concubine laughing is worth a shot.

Is Fay zee siu the same as hak ip? Right now I have hak ip and Mauritius. It’s basically impossible for me to find any of the rare varieties in California. And I check everyday lol
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: spaugh on October 16, 2020, 12:09:48 PM
Buddy, they sell air layers on etsy for pretty reasonable price.  The seller is called 7 torpical I think.

You can get air layers and then in spring order scions from the USDA in Hawaii and graft your new types. 
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 16, 2020, 03:32:31 PM
Buddy, they sell air layers on etsy for pretty reasonable price.  The seller is called 7 torpical I think.

You can get air layers and then in spring order scions from the USDA in Hawaii and graft your new types.

Those arent the variety I'm looking for
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 16, 2020, 04:55:08 PM
Fai zee siu is way better than Haak yip and tai so Mauritius and you will be hocking those up after trying FZS. I like Mauritius and the rose water taste in them but its still flapping with the turkeys instead of soaring with the eagles.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 16, 2020, 05:00:58 PM
LL I think so and I think A4 from Jason Nursery is the same as the big seedless listed in a few places with different names.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 16, 2020, 05:35:40 PM
http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Litchi/LycheeVarieties5-83.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Litchi/LycheeVarieties5-83.htm)
A 40 or so year old guide to my local area lychees may also be useful for identifying some Californian and Floridian types that have been renamed. Yes I remember the huge yook ho pows and even snuck a marcott out from Kamerunga.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: mike rule on October 16, 2020, 07:57:40 PM
Mike.... where in Oz could you get most of these varieties...thanks....
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 16, 2020, 07:58:02 PM
Fai zee siu is way better than Haak yip and tai so Mauritius and you will be hocking those up after trying FZS. I like Mauritius and the rose water taste in them but its still flapping with the turkeys instead of soaring with the eagles.

Wow. Okay but how do I get this if I’m in California? 😩
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 17, 2020, 09:30:23 PM
Hi
Seedless litchi comes from China.
There are 2 types
A4 (Completely non-nuclear)
There is another kind, the fruit is huge and seedless (large egg)
But I send you branches from China, maybe the grafting survival rate is not high ;D

What is the fastest shipping from China?😅
It’s hard to import
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 17, 2020, 09:38:08 PM
Those were the dayshttp://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3550.msg49758 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3550.msg49758)
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 17, 2020, 09:50:04 PM
Those were the dayshttp://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3550.msg49758 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3550.msg49758)

8 years and still no fay zee siu in the US
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 17, 2020, 10:21:00 PM
Yes but it is 8 years closer to them landing. Do they look familiar in case they are labelled as something else. I didn't realise they have been in Australia for about 40 years or more.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 17, 2020, 10:35:04 PM
Maybe the unthinkable has happened. The commercial growers were opposed to fai zee siu being released and so it took maybe 15 years longer than it should. They didn't want established varieties to suddenly not be A grade or fetch high prices any more. I think amateur enthusiasts must have gone around them and some commercial growers must have broken ranks. Could the reason for the continental drift speed of getting better varieties into the US be for similar reasons? At this that no one will be chowing down on erdon lees this decade over there unless a motivated enthusiast is in the acquisition business.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 17, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
Yes but it is 8 years closer to them landing. Do they look familiar in case they are labelled as something else. I didn't realise they have been in Australia for about 40 years or more.

Pretty sure no one has ever heard of them. The only varieties people know here listed here
https://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/variety-viewer-variety-lychee-reference-3 (https://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/variety-viewer-variety-lychee-reference-3)
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 17, 2020, 10:47:38 PM
Ok the first 2 should be retired immediately, the kwai mai pink has the wrong variety pictured. There are some rebadged standards with different names. Not sure the haak ip is the real deal also. Emperor looks like a small fai zee siu maybe an early selection. No sum yee hong or other good ones from more recent decades. Looks like not much new has happened for 50 years of so. Look at the link from 40 years ago in my local area to figure out some correct names.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 17, 2020, 10:55:43 PM
Ok the first 2 should be retired immediately, the kwai mai pink has the wrong variety pictured. There are some rebadged standards with different names. Not sure the haak ip is the real deal also. Emperor looks like a small fai zee siu maybe an early selection. No sum yee hong or other good ones from more recent decades. Looks like not much new has happened for 50 years of so. Look at the link from 40 years ago in my local area to figure out some correct names.

Yeah I checked that out. There’s a lot of varieties. There must be a way to get the good varieties here
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 17, 2020, 10:57:37 PM
Ok the first 2 should be retired immediately, the kwai mai pink has the wrong variety pictured. There are some rebadged standards with different names. Not sure the haak ip is the real deal also. Emperor looks like a small fai zee siu maybe an early selection. No sum yee hong or other good ones from more recent decades. Looks like not much new has happened for 50 years of so. Look at the link from 40 years ago in my local area to figure out some correct names.

Bengal and Brewster should be retired? They’re that bad? Lol
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 17, 2020, 10:59:01 PM
http://www.fruitnet.com/produceplus/article/180579/first-seedless-lychees-grown-in-australia (http://www.fruitnet.com/produceplus/article/180579/first-seedless-lychees-grown-in-australia)
There are about 40 varieties here but still the old types dominate production at the moment. Mauritius is just a Tai so selection and not differentiated here. I think the same thing is going on with atemoya and passionfruit. It is only time I am sure.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 17, 2020, 11:05:52 PM
http://www.fruitnet.com/produceplus/article/180579/first-seedless-lychees-grown-in-australia (http://www.fruitnet.com/produceplus/article/180579/first-seedless-lychees-grown-in-australia)
There are about 40 varieties here but still the old types dominate production at the moment. Mauritius is just a Tai so selection and not differentiated here. I think the same thing is going on with atemoya and passionfruit. It is only time I am sure.

I think it’s possible to import plants but it needs a permit and has to survive a quarantine I think
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 17, 2020, 11:17:40 PM
It is the same here and I am sure none ever come in through the back door.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: boxturtle on October 18, 2020, 01:51:01 AM
Mike how does the seedless taste compare to its counterparts?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: eduardo_98 on October 18, 2020, 01:53:11 AM
Mike how does the seedless taste compare to its counterparts?
He’s gone over this above.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 18, 2020, 04:03:03 AM
I have eaten plenty of erdon lee but not seedless so can only report second hand from others who have and know lychees well. By all accounts they are very good and will dominate the high end pricing when they get in general circulation but erdon lee of course will probably rule as they are just so striking.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 18, 2020, 10:50:12 AM
I have eaten plenty of erdon lee but not seedless so can only report second hand from others who have and know lychees well. By all accounts they are very good and will dominate the high end pricing when they get in general circulation but erdon lee of course will probably rule as they are just so striking.

Is erdon Lee better than fai zee siu?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: spaugh on October 18, 2020, 11:48:20 AM
Mike, can you send some scions to us?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: happyhana on October 18, 2020, 01:44:03 PM
It would good to know Erdon Lee parentage for graft compatibility, is this known?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: happyhana on October 18, 2020, 01:55:57 PM
Looking online Fi Tsz Sui scions are available from Hilo station and landed in 1991. This is the same ‘concubines laugh’, right? Must not have caught on commercially for one reason or another
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 18, 2020, 02:44:49 PM
Looking online Fi Tsz Sui scions are available from Hilo station and landed in 1991. This is the same ‘concubines laugh’, right? Must not have caught on commercially for one reason or another

How do you order from them?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 18, 2020, 02:52:15 PM
It would good to know Erdon Lee parentage for graft compatibility, is this known?

Isn’t it better to root the cutting itself? It seems like not many lychees are grafted
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: spaugh on October 18, 2020, 03:58:20 PM
You will need to graft the scions you are able to get from the mail.  Then air layer them later once the tree has grown large enough.  Lychee is not that difficult to graft, if you do it in spring during the first new vegetative flush it should not be a problem. 
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 18, 2020, 04:01:15 PM
You will need to graft the scions you are able to get from the mail.  Then air layer them later once the tree has grown large enough.  Lychee is not that difficult to graft, if you do it in spring during the first new vegetative flush it should not be a problem.

If you graft it why do you need to air layer it?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: spaugh on October 18, 2020, 04:07:29 PM
You don't "need" to airlayer it.  You can if you want to propogate it later thats the standard method.

Im trying to tell you the odds of you getting any of your wanted lychees as a rooted tree here seem pretty slim.  You might get lucky and get some sent as scions in the mail. 

Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 18, 2020, 04:19:42 PM
You don't "need" to airlayer it.  You can if you want to propogate it later thats the standard method.

Im trying to tell you the odds of you getting any of your wanted lychees as a rooted tree here seem pretty slim.  You might get lucky and get some sent as scions in the mail.

Oh yeah that makes sense. Do you know how to order the scions from Hilo station?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 18, 2020, 04:31:28 PM
They can be grafted but it is harder to do with lychees than marcotting and might have a low rate of success. There were exchanges between Hawaii and Kamerunga research station in 80's and early90's and this may be the source of FZS. Like tai so there are a few selections and hopefully the Hawaiian one is the biggest fruiting line. Erdon Lee is probably better just because they are bigger. 50g FZS with shrivelled seeds also do have impressive flesh yield. Both have a good taste.
I have 2 very small spindly marcots of erdon lee and seedless just removed from parent so don't want to be hacking them just yet. I don't have access to larger trees.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Seanny on October 18, 2020, 04:42:36 PM
We could pay for another tree.
You grow it.
Send us scions later?

How much is for 1?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 18, 2020, 04:54:40 PM
We can talk about it when mine get bigger. I can't get any more there is a long and exclusive waiting list.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: spaugh on October 18, 2020, 04:55:36 PM
Ike, I will ask you for scions again in 3 or 4 years. 
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 18, 2020, 04:58:31 PM
Won't take that long just have to make sure they survive atm. I might even be too warm for them to fruit properly at my place.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: spaugh on October 18, 2020, 05:18:42 PM
Mike, the best time to graft these here would be in late spring in May.  That would be the best time for people to try and get scions sent to CA.  I wouldnt bother trying to order from Hawii now, wait until spring and do it right so you dont have to do it twice.  Look at their website, theres probably a contact, I know they had a list of cultivars available on a website or it may have been a thread on here.

 When you graft the lychee, you need to cut back the tree around the scion and give the energy to the grafted part or it will not take off.  Also the wood is pretty stiff also so you want to keep your graft pulled really tight and leave it for many months to heal all the way or they split.  Use an extra strong tape over the graft tape to keep it tight.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 18, 2020, 05:21:38 PM
Chinese do mini marcots also and don't know how difficult they are. Maybe in a few months my trees will have put on some size.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 18, 2020, 05:28:51 PM
Chinese do mini marcots also and don't know how difficult they are. Maybe in a few months my trees will have put on some size.

Is planting erdon Lee seeds a good idea?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 18, 2020, 05:30:12 PM
Mike, the best time to graft these here would be in late spring in May.  That would be the best time for people to try and get scions sent to CA.  I wouldnt bother trying to order from Hawii now, wait until spring and do it right so you dont have to do it twice.  Look at their website, theres probably a contact, I know they had a list of cultivars available on a website or it may have been a thread on here.

 When you graft the lychee, you need to cut back the tree around the scion and give the energy to the grafted part or it will not take off.  Also the wood is pretty stiff also so you want to keep your graft pulled really tight and leave it for many months to heal all the way or they split.  Use an extra strong tape over the graft tape to keep it tight.

What’s their website?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 18, 2020, 05:32:25 PM
Ike, I will ask you for scions again in 3 or 4 years.

What if we order the seedless A4 from Jason
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 18, 2020, 07:55:02 PM
You should try and there is nothing to fear but fear itself.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Seanny on October 18, 2020, 09:35:24 PM
Spring is coming.
Start some mini marcots.
A few cm height is good enough.

Or request a few mini marcots from your source.

We are desperate!
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 18, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
You guys have been ok for a long time without these so it can't suddenly be urgent. I suggest get FZS first for a few years, then transition to seedless and after that try Erdon Lee a few years later. You wouldn't want to cause too many shocks. As I said before out of sequence lychees may cause a great disturbance in the continuum and we wouldn't want spatial/temporal disruptions.

Ok got that joke off my chest now and jokes aside. I will see what I can do but won't make promises.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 19, 2020, 12:17:57 AM
You guys have been ok for a long time without these so it can't suddenly be urgent. I suggest get FZS first for a few years, then transition to seedless and after that try Erdon Lee a few years later. You wouldn't want to cause too many shocks. As I said before out of sequence lychees may cause a great disturbance in the continuum and we wouldn't want spatial/temporal disruptions.

Ok got that joke off my chest now and jokes aside. I will see what I can do but won't make promises.

I only started my fruit trees this year 😎 but lychee is my favorite fruit😩
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: simon_grow on October 19, 2020, 05:13:29 PM
Yeah, Lychees are awesome! Hopefully some of the better varieties will show up soon. Thanks for all the info and pictures Mike!

Simon
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: hawkfish007 on October 19, 2020, 07:47:03 PM
Man, I thought I was set with lychees after getting hold of fruiting Kaimana and Hak ip recently besides the Mauritius and Sweetheart I had for couple of years. Giant and seedless lychees  :o  It appears I am not set with lychees yet.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 19, 2020, 07:49:53 PM
Man, I thought I was set with lychees after getting hold of fruiting Kaimana and Hak ip recently besides the Mauritius and Sweetheart I had for couple of years. Giant and seedless lychees  :o  It appears I am not set with lychees yet.

We need to create the demand for the ‘good’ lychees😩. Lol no one knows about them. I only found out cause I’m obsessed with lychee
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: hawkfish007 on October 19, 2020, 09:31:50 PM
Man, I thought I was set with lychees after getting hold of fruiting Kaimana and Hak ip recently besides the Mauritius and Sweetheart I had for couple of years. Giant and seedless lychees  :o  It appears I am not set with lychees yet.

We need to create the demand for the ‘good’ lychees😩. Lol no one knows about them. I only found out cause I’m obsessed with lychee

Definitely, I am surprised Phuket and Bangkok markets didn’t have these lychees last summer, I had giant lychees (probably 2x the size of hak up) at Bangkok China town but they were sour with seeds.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 19, 2020, 09:34:51 PM
Man, I thought I was set with lychees after getting hold of fruiting Kaimana and Hak ip recently besides the Mauritius and Sweetheart I had for couple of years. Giant and seedless lychees  :o  It appears I am not set with lychees yet.

We need to create the demand for the ‘good’ lychees😩. Lol no one knows about them. I only found out cause I’m obsessed with lychee

Definitely, I am surprised Phuket and Bangkok markets didn’t have these lychees last summer, I had giant lychees (probably 2x the size of hak up) at Bangkok China town but they were sour with seeds.

that's disappointing, were they unripe?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: hawkfish007 on October 19, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
Man, I thought I was set with lychees after getting hold of fruiting Kaimana and Hak ip recently besides the Mauritius and Sweetheart I had for couple of years. Giant and seedless lychees  :o  It appears I am not set with lychees yet.

We need to create the demand for the ‘good’ lychees😩. Lol no one knows about them. I only found out cause I’m obsessed with lychee

Definitely, I am surprised Phuket and Bangkok markets didn’t have these lychees last summer, I had giant lychees (probably 2x the size of hak up) at Bangkok China town but they were sour with seeds.

that's disappointing, were they unripe?

They were bright red, I bought 2 kg for their size and color, but couldn’t eat more than 2.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 19, 2020, 10:35:51 PM
Man, I thought I was set with lychees after getting hold of fruiting Kaimana and Hak ip recently besides the Mauritius and Sweetheart I had for couple of years. Giant and seedless lychees  :o  It appears I am not set with lychees yet.

We need to create the demand for the ‘good’ lychees😩. Lol no one knows about them. I only found out cause I’m obsessed with lychee

Definitely, I am surprised Phuket and Bangkok markets didn’t have these lychees last summer, I had giant lychees (probably 2x the size of hak up) at Bangkok China town but they were sour with seeds.

that's disappointing, were they unripe?

They were bright red, I bought 2 kg for their size and color, but couldn’t eat more than 2.

My goal is to have so many lychees I won’t want to eat them again until the next season lol
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 19, 2020, 11:44:02 PM
The few thai types that are not re-badged Chinese types are poor including their big sour, big seeded one which has a name I cant remember. They are as big as yook ho pow but lower quality. You won't find Erdon Lee in Thailand or China.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 23, 2020, 12:47:37 AM
The few thai types that are not re-badged Chinese types are poor including their big sour, big seeded one which has a name I cant remember. They are as big as yook ho pow but lower quality. You won't find Erdon Lee in Thailand or China.

Is erdon Lee less sweet than fai zee sui?
Also this is off topic but do you have a favorite white sapote variety?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: jason on October 23, 2020, 01:00:12 AM
The few thai types that are not re-badged Chinese types are poor including their big sour, big seeded one which has a name I cant remember. They are as big as yook ho pow but lower quality. You won't find Erdon Lee in Thailand or China.

Is erdon Lee less sweet than fai zee sui?
Also this is off topic but do you have a favorite white sapote variety?
fai zee sui is just so so in my opinion
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 23, 2020, 01:03:31 AM
The few thai types that are not re-badged Chinese types are poor including their big sour, big seeded one which has a name I cant remember. They are as big as yook ho pow but lower quality. You won't find Erdon Lee in Thailand or China.

Is erdon Lee less sweet than fai zee sui?
Also this is off topic but do you have a favorite white sapote variety?

What’s your favorite one?
fai zee sui is just so so in my opinion

What’s your favorite one? What’s so so about it?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 23, 2020, 04:25:09 AM
Surprized to hear you say that Jason and I imagine you are getting A grade 50g FZS in HK. From Guangdong and Taiwan? Are you getting seedless in the markets and which do you prefer. I think FZS are one of the most popular just over in China.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Bush2Beach on October 23, 2020, 11:57:49 AM
Seedless Lychee plants were legally imported to FLorida from China in 2014. They were in the 1 year Greenhouse quarantine protocol when , something went wrong..
I do also believe there is always a backdoor way with the way the ruling class, dignitaries , super rich and their associates roll, alot can be done , obviously. Corruption is a common occurrence worldwide.

I know 1 guy that say’s he played an important roll for a ruling family and he said this eliminated any rules of import/export. People are full of it obviously , but this also clearly go’s on.

Also , how do the people that travel to countries looking for rare and unusual species bring those seeds , scions or plants home? Legally,, hahaha

A final example ( all countries are different) , a TFF member visited me from India, i had been holding a plant for him for a year or so, he successfully flew home with the plant

The grass is always greener so if you have something another collector highly covets , the incentive is there to attempt to put those seedless lychee scion in the mail and see what happens.

There is way to request wood from the Hilo station as well, the people that work there said they send out wood when requested , theres surely an email contact on their website. .
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 23, 2020, 12:33:05 PM
Seedless Lychee plants were legally imported to FLorida from China in 2014. They were in the 1 year Greenhouse quarantine protocol when , something went wrong..
I do also believe there is always a backdoor way with the way the ruling class, dignitaries , super rich and their associates roll, alot can be done , obviously. Corruption is a common occurrence worldwide.

I know 1 guy that say’s he played an important roll for a ruling family and he said this eliminated any rules of import/export. People are full of it obviously , but this also clearly go’s on.

Also , how do the people that travel to countries looking for rare and unusual species bring those seeds , scions or plants home? Legally,, hahaha

A final example ( all countries are different) , a TFF member visited me from India, i had been holding a plant for him for a year or so, he successfully flew home with the plant

The grass is always greener so if you have something another collector highly covets , the incentive is there to attempt to put those seedless lychee scion in the mail and see what happens.

There is way to request wood from the Hilo station as well, the people that work there said they send out wood when requested , theres surely an email contact on their website. .

Very interesting. Do you know the hilo website address? Is there a list of what plants they have?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Seanny on October 23, 2020, 02:54:43 PM
https://www.ars.usda.gov/pacific-west-area/hilo-hi/daniel-k-inouye-us-pacific-basin-agricultural-research-center/tropical-plant-genetic-resources-and-disease-research/docs/litchi-collection/ (https://www.ars.usda.gov/pacific-west-area/hilo-hi/daniel-k-inouye-us-pacific-basin-agricultural-research-center/tropical-plant-genetic-resources-and-disease-research/docs/litchi-collection/)

I can’t read foreign language.
Let me know what’s good.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 23, 2020, 03:14:11 PM
https://www.ars.usda.gov/pacific-west-area/hilo-hi/daniel-k-inouye-us-pacific-basin-agricultural-research-center/tropical-plant-genetic-resources-and-disease-research/docs/litchi-collection/ (https://www.ars.usda.gov/pacific-west-area/hilo-hi/daniel-k-inouye-us-pacific-basin-agricultural-research-center/tropical-plant-genetic-resources-and-disease-research/docs/litchi-collection/)

I can’t read foreign language.
Let me know what’s good.

Wow there’s so many, why are there some with the same names? Are any of these the fai zee sui?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: jason on October 23, 2020, 04:25:13 PM
https://www.ars.usda.gov/pacific-west-area/hilo-hi/daniel-k-inouye-us-pacific-basin-agricultural-research-center/tropical-plant-genetic-resources-and-disease-research/docs/litchi-collection/ (https://www.ars.usda.gov/pacific-west-area/hilo-hi/daniel-k-inouye-us-pacific-basin-agricultural-research-center/tropical-plant-genetic-resources-and-disease-research/docs/litchi-collection/)

I can’t read foreign language.
Let me know what’s good.

Wow there’s so many, why are there some with the same names? Are any of these the fai zee sui?
failed zee sui is fei Zi Xiao in Chinese, not the great variety, Guiwei and Nuo mi city are my favorite
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 23, 2020, 05:26:32 PM
https://www.ars.usda.gov/pacific-west-area/hilo-hi/daniel-k-inouye-us-pacific-basin-agricultural-research-center/tropical-plant-genetic-resources-and-disease-research/docs/litchi-collection/ (https://www.ars.usda.gov/pacific-west-area/hilo-hi/daniel-k-inouye-us-pacific-basin-agricultural-research-center/tropical-plant-genetic-resources-and-disease-research/docs/litchi-collection/)

I can’t read foreign language.
Let me know what’s good.

Wow there’s so many, why are there some with the same names? Are any of these the fai zee sui?
failed zee sui is fei Zi Xiao in Chinese, not the great variety, Guiwei and Nuo mi city are my favorite

Great more lychee varieties I can’t obtain 😭
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 23, 2020, 05:42:01 PM
Guiwei is 2 types kwai mai red and pink or Bosworth 10 and 3. The pink is the standard here and considered way less desirable than FZS and they are small. Isn't Nuo Mi just the same as no mi chi of which a varation is salathiel? If so then they are good but the big FZS selections here are considered superior. FZS is also grown in warmer areas than NMC. We tend to use Pinyin names spelt differently in different areas here because we can't say them correctly. I heard you have been chatting with my brother about stuff like red lanterns.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 23, 2020, 05:44:31 PM
Guiwei is 2 types kwai mai red and pink or Bosworth 10 and 3. The pink is the standard here and considered way less desirable than FZS and they are small. Isn't Nuo Mi just the same as no mi chi of which a varation is salathiel? If so then they are good but the big FZS selections here are considered superior. FZS is also grown in warmer areas than NMC. We tend to use Pinyin names spelt differently in different areas here because we can't say them correctly. I heard you have been chatting with my brother about stuff like red lanterns.

What is red lantern
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 23, 2020, 06:01:12 PM
It is in a non-lychee realm. A jab variety of note.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on October 23, 2020, 06:09:29 PM
FZS has less acid than many types and has softer juicier flesh rather than crisp so it can depend on your preferences.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Seanny on October 23, 2020, 07:29:07 PM
Red lantern is the best.
I can’t have it so I’m settling for seedless lychee.

Those names are so confusing.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on October 23, 2020, 07:34:19 PM
Red lantern is the best.
I can’t have it so I’m settling for seedless lychee.

Those names are so confusing.

What’s so good about red lantern? Google says it tastes like a tomato. I want seedless lychee so bad
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on November 07, 2020, 06:54:55 PM
Red lantern is the best.
I can’t have it so I’m settling for seedless lychee.

Those names are so confusing.

I found you a red lantern. If you get it send me an air layer one day😏
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184519995667 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/184519995667)
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Seanny on November 07, 2020, 09:18:24 PM
A guy has many wives.
All are living in the same compound.

When the guy wants to spend the night with wife A, he hangs a red lantern in front of her room.
Next day he hangs the red lantern on another room.

What I don't know is if he's allowed to use 2 red lanterns.

That red lantern Jabo looks good.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on November 07, 2020, 10:46:10 PM
The connection is that FZS means concubine laughing
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on November 07, 2020, 10:50:00 PM
The connection is that FZS means concubine laughing

Oh 😳😅
Have you had the no mai tzse lychee?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on November 08, 2020, 07:45:23 AM
No mi chi and yes they are a colder climate one that is good.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on November 08, 2020, 09:42:28 AM
No mi chi and yes they are a colder climate one that is good.

No mi chi is the best variety we can get in America apparently but they say it’s also an inconsistent producer. 
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on November 10, 2020, 08:34:35 PM
For anyone in Australia😩
https://www.perthmobilenursery.com.au/product-page/lychee-erdon (https://www.perthmobilenursery.com.au/product-page/lychee-erdon)
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: boxturtle on November 10, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
You send it to Mike and Mike send it to you :)
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: BestDay on November 11, 2020, 11:07:37 AM
It is very exciting the many new varieties of Lychee available in other parts of the world.  Unfortunately most of them haven't made it to the United States.  Brad, as far as I know the seedless variety available in the United States isn't really seedless.  It is "Late Seedless".  The description of it can be found here http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=2dc4f4fba08092f1395e54aefb5edc51&topic=12653.50 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=2dc4f4fba08092f1395e54aefb5edc51&topic=12653.50)

Bill
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: spaugh on November 11, 2020, 11:24:14 AM
The seedless lychee I got was imported from China.  I dont know if its totally seedless etc.  Its supposed to be big golf ball size like emporer without seeds.  He just started selling air layers so doubtful its the same one as late seedless.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on November 11, 2020, 12:02:10 PM
It is very exciting the many new varieties of Lychee available in other parts of the world.  Unfortunately most of them haven't made it to the United States.  Brad, as far as I know the seedless variety available in the United States isn't really seedless.  It is "Late Seedless".  The description of it can be found here http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=2dc4f4fba08092f1395e54aefb5edc51&topic=12653.50 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=2dc4f4fba08092f1395e54aefb5edc51&topic=12653.50)

Bill

That late seedless doesn’t sound too good. We need someone to import these true giant seedless (a4 guandong)😩
http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/litchi.htm (http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/litchi.htm)
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on November 11, 2020, 04:22:03 PM
The seedless lychee I got was imported from China.  I dont know if its totally seedless etc.  Its supposed to be big golf ball size like emporer without seeds.  He just started selling air layers so doubtful its the same one as late seedless.

You got a seedless lychee from China? How long have you had it?
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on November 12, 2020, 03:09:19 AM
Well chums suddenly my erdon lee is not so special. The nursery across town is flogging them off for $US50- each and my ambivalence about which to plant is solved. Since Erdon Lee will be a garden variety the jumbo seedless is at the front of the cue to be planted in the yard.
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: LycheeLust on November 12, 2020, 03:19:40 AM
Export them to USA and sell them😎
Title: Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
Post by: Mike T on November 12, 2020, 04:14:20 AM
Sounds like seedless lychees have already landed even before you go through a fai zee siu phase. I am sure an out of sequence lychee won't cause a tear in the continuum or create a disturbance in the force. Erdon Lee will certainly land as well before long.