Thanks Rob for the response, it was really nice of you to write back. Also, thanks for reference to Excalibur, guess I am driving out there if they are open tomorrow. I am embarassed to say this, but I got screwed by a company out there called GROWQUEST, I ordered several olive trees and some grafted 3 in 1, 4 in 1 citrus trees and never seen a thing. The owner is absolutely nuts and actually freaked out on me and called me a bunch of not so friendly names when I asked where the trees were 5, yes 5 months later. So, if any one reads this just watch out if you order from them. I am not going to say a bunch of negative things about them, hopefully I was just an exception and no one else got ripped off. Anyways, thanks again Rob, and looking forward to learning more and more on this site. Have a great weekend everyone