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grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« on: July 05, 2014, 08:24:12 AM »
My wife found this real interesting video yesterday from a mangosteen research station in Chantaburi, Thailand.  They have been researching the benefits of grafted mangosteen to replace seedling trees.  Was pretty cool.  My wife translated and I took notes the best I could.  So read my notes first and then try to follow along with them with the video.  So here's my notes with video at the end.

Chantaburi mangosteen research and development.

Main guy talking is head of research.  Starts off talking about mangosteen export.  In 2007…47,232 tons were exported.  In 2011…109,200 tons.  China is main customer.

Said there is not a problem marketing mangosteen…always be a market for them.  Never any issues with plants or orchard.

Thailand is approximately 160,000 acres planted with mangosteen.  Each acre averages 5500lbs of fruit.  Enough for the demand/supply for now.  More and more land will open up and demand will also rise.

Picking and labor main concern/problem.    Have to climb the trees to pick the fruit.  If a worker grabs a fruit too hard, it can bruise it causing the rind to harden and also lower the quality of the fruit.  So their #1 focus is picking.

All trees in background are seedling trees.  Tall.  Normal for seedlings.

Around the 7:20 minute mark.  Quality pickers are high cost.  20-25% of their costs go to labor.  Very difficult to find good labor.  When first wave of fruit comes on, this gets the highest price so really need to get the fruit out there.  Almost like corporate headhunters for good pickers!

8:49 minute.  He said he is talking to an engineer to design a mechanical picker.  But in the meantime, alternatives must be found.  Lower trees mean fruit is easier to pick, less money for labor.

So they’ve been researching many years on best methods to graft mangosteen.  If you pick the wrong scion, the results will not be what you want.  The scions must be taken from the second or third branches of a branch.  See below:

 

Grafting with these scions will keep the tree low and spreading which is desired.  Not growing up and tall.

10:00 minute.  Guy asked him if there was a difference in production.  They are still collecting data on this but he feels that you can plant more trees per same size of area as seedlings and yield should be the same.

10:40.  Shows grafting mangosteen.  The woman here is a specialist.  Describes the grafted plants as growing a little more than 2 meters in height.

11:11 minute.  That plant is 14 years old.  Same age seedling would be around 5 meters.  So much shorter.  Says to start your orchard in the same manner as you would a seedling.  Slopes are best for drainage.

Use 2-3 year old seedlings for grafting.  Scions must be taken from a very good producing tree.  My observation here:  Most time we see people grafting, most of the scion, leaves and any branches coming off the scion, are removed.  Here they put the whole freaking thing on!

Around 12:34.  Old orchards.  Asks what can farmers of tall seedlings do if they want to have shorter plants and can they do this with seedlings.  She says yes but you must cut the top to stop upward growth.  Pruning must be done a little at a time…maybe 20%.

She says once grafted, the plants stay in the nursery for one year before planting in the fields.  Approximately 3 years to begin producing.  Seedling is typically 6 years.  Observation:  Given that a 2-3 year old seedling is grafted.  Wait 1 year before planting.  Then another 3 to produce.  So really the same overall time.  But obviously not for someone purchasing a grafted plant!

14:00.  So shorter plants are easier to pick.  No climbing.  Can hire older laborers!  LOL!  Pickers just have to wade into the plant.

14:22.  This size of plant yields approximately 44lbs.

Talking about exports.  Fruit skin must be very good and shiny.

15:00.  This research center is to help farmers with problems.  They show the area where a truck can drive between the trees and the pickers can just put the fruit in the back of the truck.

16:00.  Guy in green shirt has been doing grafted mangosteens for around 30 years.  At peak season, each plant will yield approximately 130lbs.

Plant and maintain grafted plants same as seedlings.  They use 15-15-15 or 16-16-16 to maintain and nurture the plants.  8-24-24 for flowering.  They do spray for insects.  He ran into the problem of high labor costs and the research station helped him adopt this new strategy.  He says now the problem is trees growing wide instead of tall!!  Quality of fruit same.

19:00.  Joining a fair/research place open to the puplic.  Not really much after this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9coOWL_pY0

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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2014, 10:15:29 AM »
Interesting stuff!   May I only someday have the trouble of too tall trees or too fat trees full of fruit!

So they use lateral branches, but secondary ones for grafting.  That is different than we had learned.

Also- interesting they pick the fruit green/pinkish, instead of the solid maroon color we are used to seeing.  They ripen off the tree I guess.

Thanks for posting.

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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2014, 12:34:38 PM »
Wealth of good information, thanks for taking your time to translate all that, and post it here.
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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2014, 04:13:55 PM »
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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2014, 05:49:21 PM »
I'm not convinced that the grafted trees will produce the same number of fruit per pound as a seedling but I can definitely see some positives too.  I like keeping my fruit trees in the yard no more than eight feet.  Picking and spray maintenance is just so much easier.

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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2014, 07:49:44 PM »
Yea. Reading about these grafted plants is probably going to make me buy another grafted one in Puerto Rico.

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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2014, 07:56:41 PM »
I keep forgetting to ask this. Can seedling mangosteen trees be topped to stop vertical growth at some point and encourage horizontal? Or mangosteen does not respond well to this practice? 

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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2014, 08:05:55 PM »
I did mention that.  Remember he said you have to top it but very slowly...20% at a time.

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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2014, 08:26:47 PM »
Oh, sorry I missed. I watched that part, but they were not showing how its done.  But isn't topping in most cases means just cutting entire top off? I'm wondering how 20% rule is practically implemented?  Just start with the tip of the leader and move down slowly every few days/weeks? Still not sure.

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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2014, 04:55:44 PM »
Mrs. Abrigo is also excited about her grafted mangosteen trees that are just a few feet tall but are now fruiting very well. There are only about a hundred of them now, but we would not be surprised if she would also plant mangosteen by the thousands, too. After all, they can be planted in partial shade between the other trees.

https://ph.news.yahoo.com/lady-fruit-farmer-181455398.html

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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2014, 01:21:54 AM »
Thanks for posting the info, gives hope to those of us wanting to try it ourselves.


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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2014, 04:51:49 AM »
Jay, thanks for posting and translating. The part about using lateral branches goes against what i'd heard previously. I'd heard not to use lateral branches because if you do the plant will just grow horizontally, never vertically. So yes you will get very low plant, one just growing at ground level.
I saw grafted mangosteen experiments at Chantaburri experimental station many years ago. From what researcher told me at the time they were experimenting with using rootstock of different species for better and hardier root system. You don't mention what rootstock they were using, but seem to imply they are just grafting onto mangosteen? (Video seems to show also just regular mangosteen rootstock being used.)
Idea to top seedling trees is very good one. I see with my first bumper crop that already 15 year old trees are getting very tall and hard to pick. Had to use 12 ft. step ladder, and most of the fruits were up towards top of tree. Mangosteen trees at Hilo arboretum must be over 45 feet tall. Probably about 50+ years old.
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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2014, 07:57:07 AM »
Sorry...missed that in my translation.  Yes...they grafted onto normal mangosteen rootstock.  I believe many are finding that this is the best route to take in the long run.  Bryan Brunner did several experiments with grafting on different rootstocks and the long term results were not all that great.

I agree that taking these types of lateral branches were completely against all that is taken for gospel.  But it's hard to refute their results.

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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2014, 03:25:09 PM »
Conventional vegetative propagation of the mangosteen is difficult. Various methods of grafting have failed. Cuttings and air-layers, with or without growth-promoting chemicals, usually fail to root or result in deformed, short-lived plants. Inarching on different rootstocks has appeared promising at first but later incompatibility has been evident with all except G. xanthochymus Hook. f. (G tinctoria Dunn.) or G. lateriflora Bl., now commonly employed in the Philippines.

In Florida, approach-grafting has succeeded only by planting a seed of G. xanthochymus about 1 1/4 in (3 cm) from the base of a mangosteen seedling in a container and, when the stem of the G. xanthochymus seedling has become 1/8 in (3 mm) thick, joining it onto the 3/16 to 1/4 in (5-6 mm) thick stem of the mangosteen at a point about 4 in (10 cm) above the soil. When the graft has healed, the G. xanthochymus seedling is beheaded. The mangosteen will make good progress having both root systems to grow on, while the G. xanthochymus rootstock will develop very little.

https://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/mangosteen.html



or this website:  http://books.google.nl/books?id=X3y8lILvSuAC&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=mangostana+laterifolia&source=bl&ots=AbueQAeVWL&sig=DnXyew79VhNOcGeu7R57k2jL-u4&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=0g3QU8P8LY3iO7T5gbAN&ved=0CF0Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=mangostana%20laterifolia&f=false

Garcinia Livingstonei has proved to be a successfull rootstock for cultivated mangosteen.



Or take this website:   http://books.google.nl/books?id=X3y8lILvSuAC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=mangostana+laterifolia+rootstock&source=bl&ots=AbueQAfURO&sig=lv-xURFlhB3iOR2ebB9DGa0YtW8&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=JhHQU7yKPMjvPMj7gLAD&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=mangostana%20laterifolia%20rootstock&f=false

However at times cleftgrafted plants can show precocity and come into first bearing very early.
Chapter 9.2.1


So there are several rootstocks suitable for mangostana. I didn't make that up as you can see.  So i still believe in precocious mangosteen tree's that are grafted, no matter what the americans are thinking.
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Re: grafted mangosteen replacing seedling trees
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2014, 05:16:24 PM »
Several species of garcinia have been tried as rootstock for mangosteen and have been succesful. But none of them made mangosteens fruit earlier. The purpose of the different species rootstocks is to make the root system stronger and be more adapted to different soils. This is from personal conversation with researchers at Chantaburri experimental station.
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