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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID seedling ??
« on: July 20, 2018, 11:28:39 AM »
thanks

i actually have a  peanut butter plant
but the leaves are different.

i actually just got a  'Tropical apricot' from Murray at mygardenofdelights
but it lost all its leaves in shipping
and hasnt re-leafed yet.
the trunk still has green under the bark, but its been a few weeks
its supposedly an improved variety, so i hope it pulls through so i can graft this one too.

 Chandramohan
from online photos, i think this is it.
thanks


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / ID seedling ??
« on: July 19, 2018, 05:49:15 PM »
i have 2 seedlings
old soil and no tags.
can anyone ID them ??

also in the 2nd pic, there has been no new growth in months
and ive added fertilizer, iron, magnesium, and fish emulsion.
not sure what else to do
and the leaves have started curling under.







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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Citrus leaf pic - iron deficiency?
« on: July 19, 2018, 05:44:25 PM »
is it mainly on new growth or old ?

ive added epsom and iron to my citrus
and they greeneds up quite nicely.


Iron deficiency
starts on young terminal leaves and later works inward to the older leaves. However, deficiencies in manganese,
zinc or nitrogen develop on inner or older leaves first and then progress outward.
Symptoms include leaves turning yellow or brown in the margins between the veins which may remain green,
while young leaves may appear to be bleached

magnesium
Due to magnesium’s mobile nature, the plant will first break down chlorophyll in older leaves and transport the Mg to younger leaves
 Excess potassium, generally due to fertilizers, further aggravates the stress from magnesium deficiency,[2] as does aluminium toxicity.[3]
Interveinal chlorotic mottling or marbling of the older leaves which proceeds toward the younger leaves as the deficiency becomes more severe.

Manganese (Mn)
deficiency is a plant disorder that is often confused with, and occurs with, iron deficiency. Most common in poorly drained soils, also where organic matter levels are high. Manganese may be unavailable to plants where pH is high.


Nitrogen
It is a component of chlorophyll, so when nitrogen is insufficient, leaves will take on a yellow (chlorotic) appearance down the middle of the leaf.  Restricted growth of tops and roots and especially lateral shoots. Plants become spindly with gen eral chlorosis of entire plant to a light green and then a yellowing of older leaves which proceeds toward younger leaves



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How To Reach High Mulberries?
« on: July 19, 2018, 02:35:56 PM »
shake the tree.
only the ripe ones fall which works fine for me.
plastic tarp on the ground can help.

also, ive use a pole with a plastic bottle on the end
bottom cut out, top taped into the pole.
1 litre drink bottles work OK.

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this species is rare, because it only grows in a certain climate
there is plenty of nearby rainforest for it to move into
which means its probably not very tolerant of environmental changes.


looking at the map
these 3 look like they might have more cold tolerance.

vasconcellea chilensis
vasconcellea glandulosa
vasconcellea quercifolia
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Collection-sites-of-the-21-Vasconcellea-species-within-tropical-America_fig1_40104874

seems almost impossible to get seed for any
except quercifolia

or maybe here.
http://www.huertasurbanas.com/seeds-exchange/
http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/aleCat.asp?title=Caricaceae&list=294

$20 for seed (even palanda)
https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/fruit_trees.shtml

A treelet endemic to Ecuador where it is known from a single population in the Andes of Zamora province.
Vasconcellea palandensis is endemic to Ecuador. It is known only from one population in Zamora-Chinchipe province.
http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/43573/0

Humid, premontane forest at elevations from 1790 - 1,850 metres
Ecuador
Seed - sow in individual containers or in a nursery seedbed in light shade. Germination can be slow and difficult, taking about 30 days
http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Vasconcellea+palandensis

 Highland papayas
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14701.0

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The fruiting part of the tree would still have issues with humidity.

i am in New Orleans, and several figs do very well here
(we have very high humidity most of the year)
try the LSU varieties (several types, purple, gold,  Tiger) and Scott’s Black.

2 best for the South IMO
 Improved celeste is the best grower, vigorous and productive
 Texas Everbearing   also known as Brown Turkey

they have  shallow root systems, so deep loose soils
and lots of mulch and organic matter in the soil definitely help.

the one thing i would say, is if the soil is consistently moist during early fruiting
they could drop the fruit. the soil needs to dry out a bit from time to time in spring.

LSU Ag.
http://www.lsuagcenter.com/nr/rdonlyres/df265b8b-0138-4ece-a802-632290253e87/38103/pub1529figs.pdf

http://www.lsuagcenter.com/NR/rdonlyres/69df3014-f313-4784-afeb-eaac4125406e/61881/pub3018louisianafigshighres.pdf

https://mountainfigs.net/2016/11/10/lsu-figs/


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ive had 3 (1 still alive -freeze killed the others)
they all  had been chlorotic at first
iron, magnesium and nitrogen greened them up.
im not sure which one is the culprit, maybe 2, or all 3, but it made a huge difference.
and it took several days to notice any change at all,

Nitrogen is mobile in the plant, so, you can see the difference in days.
iron is not, you have to wait for new growth.
(Magnesium is "Somewhat mobile")
https://nrcca.cals.cornell.edu/soilFertilityCA/CA1/CA1_print.html

too much magnesium can act as a salt and shrivel up leaves
too much of anything can lockout other nutrients. just an FYI.



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that does look like Shangri-la in the original post.
a small touch of magnesium and/or iron might green up the leaves a bit more.
i didnt know Shangri-la would start from cuttings... good to know, i will try it soon.

some places selling it say its Morus Nigra... others say it is Morus Rubra x Alba - Hybrid.

my rubra starts from cuttings very very easily.
Nigras usually do not.

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It’s a variety of black mulberry, I don’t think the leaves are bigger then normal though

I have a Shangri La and the leaves are much bigger than my Everbearing and Pakistani.

same here. leaves are much larger for the Shangri La.
i had originally thought it had to do with water, sun, minerals etc...
but its definately not that.... Shangri La just has larger leaves.



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i am in New Orleans, but they ship rather easy + cheap.
i have pakastani, M Rubra, dwarf black, and Silk Hope which is a Nigra
(some say its an AlbaxRubra cross ?) i think its Nigra...
and 1 or 2 other Nigra
also about 5 others with no name, but very nice fruit.

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Male  plants(seeds) outnumber female plants by a large percentage.

i got some from uncle Chan also - recently
(ive gotten lots of stuff from him)
only 2 germinated and i killed one, so i bought more
waiting for those to come up (1-2 weeks now)

can they grow from cuttings ?
maybe we can do some trades here if someone has a female plant.

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so we had 21F record breaking cold in New Orleans in January
but, lots of stuff are back from the roots.

here are a few pics.

Cherry of the Rio Grand


fig



Fig



purple forest guava, natal plum, pachira glabra



Honey locust



Jacaranda



Malva - marshmallow



Pepper -white



Pitangatuba



Japanese Raisin Tree



Cassava



Jujube - Sherwood


Lichi tomato



dagga - lions tail



barberry



Eugenia Florida



Pachira, Guava, Chaya, natal plum



grumichama



Indian Jujube



Jabo, strawberries, peppers, edible greens






naranjilla (Lulo) blueberries, myers lemon



naranjilla



sunflower, grumichama



tree tomato



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Keep the vine healthy well fed and watered, give it room to run up and enough sun. They can withstand the caterpillar attack and get beyond their capacity to damage it. It may be possible that the stress stimulates fruiting. Good luck!

i think it depends on the passi variety and caterpillar.

i have grown incarnata several times... usually, very healthy, at least 30ft of vine
almost every time each leaf was down to a nub in a few weeks.
at first i would kill each one, then it was just too much .
usually the plant is overcome in fall, and in winter (here) they often die back to the ground anyway.
try attracting birds, lizards, other predators.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrica rubra
« on: June 24, 2018, 02:44:44 PM »
Here’s a good read, it’s probably posted somewhere already but buried.

Looks like we should be able to germinate the seeds pretty easily if we had access to a lab with the PGRs. I don’t so I’ll probably end up growing some outdoors for a year and then heat and cold stratify the other half. Looks like I should remove the seed cover.

Simon

link didnt work
but pretty sure this is it
-this link should be OK

Roles of gibberellins and abscisic acid in dormancy and germination of
red bayberry (Myrica rubra) seeds
https://academic.oup.com/treephys/article-pdf/28/9/1431/4593176/28-9-1431.pdf

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: psidium sp. ¿?
« on: June 17, 2018, 08:32:28 AM »

 the trunks get red/pink and the new leaves get this redish or pinkish color, different to psidium cattleianum... and the veins are not so noticeable... what do you think?


ive seen catley with reddish color in new leaves
and some with no red, just green...

i have a spot in my yard where the soil(sandy) is more reddish, apparently higher in iron.
the plants growing there all seem to have more red in the leaves and stems
(especially new growth)
i also see that in other Myrtaceae like surinam cherry (and other  Psidiums), when i add iron.

magnesium is another mineral that i think plays an important role in flavor,
as well as leaf coloration. Mg can make leaves darker and able to photosynthesize better,
which is especially important in shaded areas.
i have a Myers lemon that was hit with extreme cold in January (20F)
it was limping back to health, but some of the leaves were yellowish and small.
i added epsom salts (Mg and sulfur) and a little iron, and now the leaves are healthy bright green,
the older leaves are a darker green, and the leaf size is much, much larger as well.
its now growing faster than any citrus ive ever seen.




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the sin on most citrus turns color - yellow/orange etc...
usually i think also it gets softer and smells like citrus.

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Jabo should do (and does) fine in a a woody medium.
yes, it has to be composted, or it will rob nitrogen from the soil.
ive seen some people just add more Nitrogen
(personally, i think this is  a terrible idea)

i add as little chemicals as possible, so i try to get my soil just right.
Jabo is woody and therefore likes a fungally dominant soil

i get huge bags of sawdust from a cabinet maker.
i use it as mulch, and will pour fish emulsion on it.
bacteria/fungi attack it, and release nutrients.
the stuff disappears in months in the heat.
i often mix it with grass clippings and coffee grounds.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrica rubra
« on: June 11, 2018, 02:21:26 PM »
Has anyone seen this site ?

http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm

they say they ship to the USA.
i am sending them an email to get pricing.
it may be cheaper to get a group order going ?
i really want 1 or 2 (they have different varieties)
"black-peak" looks interesting...

unless its very expensive i will probably order.


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is it from seed ? ow old ?

i have one from seed. supposedly , i hear, it takes several years...
mine is about 2ft tall (2yrs) , but growing rather fast actually.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly!
« on: June 05, 2018, 09:43:24 AM »
just an FYI....
i had several mango from seed growing hoping to graft to.
one had actually given me 2 fruit a couple of years ago.
I am just outside New Orleans zone 9a, near 9b border.
some years  we get not temps below 32F.
some years it gets to 27-28 ish. but very rarely below that.
This last Jan., we had the coldest temps in history, hitting 20F.

i had a 4yr amngo  that was in-ground for 18 months
i had pretty much given up on it, and the others in containers.
it was late may before i noticed the new growth coming from the roots.
but... its back.
another one in a 7gal container, 2 yrs old, is also back.

its a fight for sure to get fruit, and i have to have at least 2 years
of no hard freeze in a row, but i know its possible.
i just dont know if i can get fruit in %80 of the years, or %20.

lots of stuff came back by the way
cherimoya, guava, grumichama, inga....
CORG didnt even loose a leaf.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anybody here growing Mimosa hostilis?
« on: June 03, 2018, 02:53:12 PM »
yeah, i had forgot a couple in a container
and they didnt get any water for several weeks.
the soil was dry as a bone.
they came right back.

i have one  planted in my front yard.
it never gets very large as the frost kills small branches
but, it keeps coming back no matter what.

i do remember making a tea with some black-cow manure and the thing shot up like a weed.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: looking for Ethan Moses..
« on: June 03, 2018, 02:41:49 PM »
i know who you are talking about.
he used to sell seedlings on gardenweb,
or maybe it was cloudforest (california fruit group i think)

i saw him post here a few times...
and remember looking for him, and his profile said he hadnt been online in a couple of years.
and that as a couple of years ago.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat Seedling or Cutting?
« on: May 26, 2018, 11:55:08 AM »
i grafted a couple of my trees.
i have to say the fruit from my large tree is as good as the graft selection.
the seed-grown is a bit more acidic, but just as sweet.
the fruit "quality" seems to be better on the grafted variety.
(each fruit ripened perfectly, no blemishes etc...)
i didnt see much difference in seed to fruit ratio, or even size.

that said, all the grafts took (8 total i think)
and i am not an expert grafter.
i really like the fact they ripen at different times.

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Just an FYI
my So Shang seedling was about 6 inches tall
in January we had record breaking freeze... 20F temps
to much stuff for me to get to, and i forgot the So Shang.
the top died off, but its growing back from the roots.
they do seem to like a little extra iron+magnesium, if your soil isnt rich.,


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