The Tropical Fruit Forum

Your plant looks very different from all the Uvaia’s I have, Joe. But mine are all still a bit smaller. To me your plant looks more like my Ubajai.
In an old post Adam from Flying Fox Fruits also has pictures from an Uvaia with the same broad leaves with veins in them. Maybe he could tell you for sure.

That is a good question.

I wouldn't know anything about an official interpretation of the terms, but I myself do intuitively distinguish between the two. I have lost some Salvia species when i planted them in part shade, while another patch in dappled shade thrived. The way I see it is that it has to do with the plants capacity to pump up water in dry air conditions. The salvia's that were in three hours of continuous sun, either morning sun or midday sun just got wilted leaves the moment the sun hit, and that progressed to dead leaf edges and finally the plants dying. The ones in dappled shade also had wilted leaves sometimes, when patches of sunlight hit, but because sun and shade alternate throughout the day, the evaporation never truly outpaced the water their roots could pump up. They did better than the ones in full shade, which also survived, but never really grew much.

Here are some pictures of the Pawpaw festival I managed to get to last October in the Netherlands. It was great! They really have all the varieties there and you could see, taste and learn everything about Pawpaws

I had my first taste of Pawpaw and it was absolutely delicious. I had read about this fruit for over 8 years and never tasted one... This is a very very good fruit. I drove 2 hours to get to the Country Winery  http://www.freshplaza.com/article/141943/Biggest-paw-paw-production-of-Northern-Europe-in-the-Nijverdal

They had lots of things going on and were selling Pawpaw trees, seeds, jam, pie and even Pawpaw beer. If you are ever in the neighborhood, go take a look there. He is the only guy that sells Petersons Pawpaws in Europe, he has a license from him and knows Mr. Peterson personally.

Here are the pictures:

A beautiful place and a sunny day:




The propagation greenhouse




The Pawpaw Orchard




Some of the grafted plants for sale






My prize and bounty after a very nice daytrip




Hope you enjoyed the pictures - I'll have to wait a couple of years for my first fruits...

Oh, I almost forgot, this is their website: http://www.countrywinery.nl/

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Congratulations, Marcos!
It looks delicious. My oldest plant is 5 years old, in a pot and hasn’t flowered yet. I have good hopes for next year, but we will see... I am also very curious to what it will taste like. It looks like you will be drowning in Uvaia’s soon as well!
Thanks for sharing, always a joy to see your videos,
Solko

Very nice plants!
Thank you for sharing your results and taste test, Heinrich. I agree that broad leaf is a more accurate description than large leaf variety.
I had similar results as far as the size of the berries went for both varieties. Unfortunately all my mature broad leaf plants died last year in a freeze that went on for ten days and went below -8 while they were in pots outside.
I did save seeds from all my varieties and have now quite a number of seedlings going from these different types. They are now one year old and I am reporting them for winter. In spring I'll post some pictures of the different leaf types I found between them, no surprises there. They are all in a range from very narrow to quite broad leaves.
I am curious to see after how many years they will start to fruit...

Congratulations, Marcos!
I thought they looked like flower buds as well, but you know more about Jaboticaba's then I do. I'm looking forward to find out what type of fruit this one will give. The plant is absolutely amazing. Very beautiful! Good luck

Mine have survived -8 Celsius. But others have died in winters with more snow and longer frosts. Not necessarily colder, but just longer frost periods. It is the snow that kills them. If you have a way to get the snow off their leaves quickly they may even take more frost.
And plants with their roots deep in the ground come back after hard frosts. Plants in pots have no thermal mass to protect their roots and they die at -8 Celsius
Hope that helps

I feel terrible for you guys, please stay safe. Best of luck for all.

Nice report, Azorean.

It looks like your plant 1 has a much rounder fruit type than my plant. And your plant 2 also has a fruit set like I have not seen before. My plant just had it's third bloom this year and one fruit is setting, but already in that stage my fruits look very elongated compared to yours.



I'm curious to hear your report on plant 2!

Congratulations, they look like quality fruit.

I'm hoping to finally get a first taste of Pawpaw this year. I'll be going to a local Pawpaw festival in the east of the Netherlands in mid October. Still two months away, but I'll post pics when I get there.

None of the cones in the pictures that Mikkel posted have the pineapple type spiky leaves growing out of the top like a pine apple, as they are shown in the mosaic.

That is right, and that might be the very thing that throws the historians off. I've been looking at this for a while now, and my first thought was that the only other thing it could be would be a pine cone (which, by the way in a lot of languages is reffered to as a pine-Apple)
I am convinced that it actually depicts a pine-cone and that the artist added some leaves - just 'some leaves in general' in the back to make it symmetrical with the leaves that are depicted behind the bowl on the left side. That is what makes it confusing.


The Italian professor has only two more images to make his case about the pineapple and to convince us that the Romans had contact with the America's. The images are the following:





The other images show fruit that could very well be odd artistic interpretations of clusters of grapes or other pine cones.
What do you think?

I have some experience with Myrceugenias. I got interested in them for the same reasons as you and there are a lot of species out there.

My experience is that the Chilean species are relatively hard to find, but you can find them. I have grown Myrceugenia Chrysocarpa, M. Leptospermoides and M. Lanceolata. The last two have a very small and dry fruit with less than one millimeter of fruit flesh surrounding a couple of big seeds. The Chrysocarpa died on me at -8 Celsius, where my Feijoa's and Ugni's took a hard hit, but survived.

My conclusion was that in their own climate zone (8b, 9a) the Ugni and Luma species are far more promising than the Myrceugenia's I grew. Luma is quite variable but can taste really good. Sweet and creamy. And Ugni's are so aromatic, that it's hard not to fall in love with that little fruit.

I would be interested in seeds of M ovata v. nanophylla if you can actually find some. I have emailed that desertnorthwest website twice without any response, but that might be because I am in Europe.

The really interesting Myrceugenia's seem to be the Brazilian ones, at least for fruit purposes. But those I have never, or almost never seen for sale, and then they are adapted to the same climate zones as the Eugenia's, compared to which they have smaller and less interesting fruit.

That has been my experience