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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: JF on September 16, 2012, 04:11:49 PM
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This is a Socal variety, very underrated, nice flavor.
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_3104.jpg)
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From the CRFG, other than dwarf growth habit, doesn't sound that great when the flavor is described as "mild".
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html (http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html)
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From the CRFG, other than dwarf growth habit, doesn't sound that great when the flavor is described as "mild".
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html (http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html)
for Southern California it is, who knows how it performs in Miami.
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From the CRFG, other than dwarf growth habit, doesn't sound that great when the flavor is described as "mild".
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html (http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html)
for Southern California it is, who knows how it performs in Miami.
JF,
I always wondering about this one. I would love to try to graft some budwood sometime, now need to find someone with it.
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From the CRFG, other than dwarf growth habit, doesn't sound that great when the flavor is described as "mild".
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html (http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html)
for Southern California it is, who knows how it performs in Miami.
JF,
I always wondering about this one. I would love to try to graft some budwood sometime, now need to find someone with it.
La Verne nursery propagates this variety. I'll try to get some wood for you next May.
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From the CRFG, other than dwarf growth habit, doesn't sound that great when the flavor is described as "mild".
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html (http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html)
for Southern California it is, who knows how it performs in Miami.
For SoCal it is what? My ling was from the Cali Rare Fruit Council's site...I would think/hope they are reporting info based on California production...in which case, I will reiterate, based on your title calling the perfect dwarf mango, "flavor mild" sure does not sound "perfect"...
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From the CRFG, other than dwarf growth habit, doesn't sound that great when the flavor is described as "mild".
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html (http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html)
for Southern California it is, who knows how it performs in Miami.
For SoCal it is what? My ling was from the Cali Rare Fruit Council's site...I would think/hope they are reporting info based on California production...in which case, I will reiterate, "mild"??
La Verne felt it was worthy to propagate so who cares what CRFG say. We don't like to overhype our tropicals fruits up here in California.
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bsbullie,
I think many people who eat mangoes would not mind a good mild mango with a fiberless texture. I take it this variety is fiberless or close to it?
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bsbullie,
I think many people who eat mangoes would not mind a good mild mango with a fiberless texture. I take it this variety is fiberless or close to it?
it is fiberless Null and you are right most prefer mild over the turpentine flavor.
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J, gorgeous tree.
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J, gorgeous tree.
Equelecua, Cuban007 that's what I meant.
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[urlhttp://www.daff.qld.gov.au/26_18930.htm][/url]
Any hint of turps is the kiss of death and it is one of the reasons kent failed so badly here.While it was rejected wholeheartedly by the consumers the ag. authorities only acknowledged a bit of turpsiness near the skin as you can see in the link.Mild is definately better in the eyes of the public than any type of turpentine or hydrocarbon taint.Some of the poorer tasting types are still sent from here to japan where they occupy the bottom of the market.Considering how much area was planted it probably won't take long for kent,keitt,palmer and brooks to be rare in teh market place.The odd thing is that these are highly fancied in other markets.
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Nice looking tree JF!
Mike, mild mangoes are all the rage - R2E2 and Calypso are beautiful nothings that folks will pay through the nose for - though Calypso can be almost excellent in the 2 week period around Christmas, when it has a great coconut-vanilla taste, but its otherwise picked too early and is pretty but bland.
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I think the tree is gorgeous as well. Is that it's natural shape with no tipping?
Once the mango is sweet ;D ;D .
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I agree BMc, both are those are bland but look good but are very cheap in markets like rusty's.Most of the monos are also treated with disdain.The asian poly's are the only ones throwing down the gauntlet to the KP varieties.Each year there are fewer keitts,kents,brooks and palmers and they are getting cheaper.I have not seen those varieties in the supermarkets in a long time as well.Calypsos have not been so much of a success here and R2E2 hold a very small but stable part of the market.
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Where was that picture taken? Any idea how old it is?
Bill
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Whatever mango grows as a "dwarf" in Calif is not likely to be "dwarf" in Florida. Even Keitt is considered to semi dwarf in Calif but is a rampant growing monster in FLA. On a quiet night, you can almost here Keitts growing!
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Nice looking tree JF!
Mike, mild mangoes are all the rage - R2E2 and Calypso are beautiful nothings that folks will pay through the nose for - though Calypso can be almost excellent in the 2 week period around Christmas, when it has a great coconut-vanilla taste, but its otherwise picked too early and is pretty but bland.
The king of mild mangos, and down right bland, is top selling Tommy Atkins.
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Whatever mango grows as a "dwarf" in Calif is not likely to be "dwarf" in Florida. Even Keitt is considered to semi dwarf in Calif but is a rampant growing monster in FLA. On a quiet night, you can almost here Keitts growing!
Yes, you got it! i had a mango i planted in coastal San Diego, and it was very dwarf, because it hardly ever grew at all. When winter came it went totally dormant. I really admire anyone that can fruit mangos in California.
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bsbullie,
I think many people who eat mangoes would not mind a good mild mango with a fiberless texture. I take it this variety is fiberless or close to it?
it is fiberless Null and you are right most prefer mild over the turpentine flavor.
The opposite of mild in NO way is turpentine. Very few mangoes grown in Florida have a turpentine flavor and what doesn't are NOT considered mild as a group. If this is such a terrific mango, why has it not been mentioned before as the "king"? Also, if you like, and the majority of SoCals like "mild" mangoes, no need to seek out any of these new Zill varieties, including but not limited to Lemon Zest and Coco Cream, as well as Mahachanok and just about every other "wanted" Florida mango cause they sure aren't classified as mild and they are in no way turpentine taste.
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From the CRFG, other than dwarf growth habit, doesn't sound that great when the flavor is described as "mild".
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html (http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html)
for Southern California it is, who knows how it performs in Miami.
For SoCal it is what? My ling was from the Cali Rare Fruit Council's site...I would think/hope they are reporting info based on California production...in which case, I will reiterate, "mild"??
La Verne felt it was worthy to propagate so who cares what CRFG say. We don't like to overhype our tropicals fruits up here in California.
Oh please...you, as in Californians, don't hype and overhype your ability to grow Cherimoyas??
Nurseries propagate Tommy Atkins, does that make it a worthy mango for all to have in their yard?
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Still best to taste before judging. There's mild and there's mild.
I would consider a Glenn to be on the mild side, but still very good. Just not excellent.
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Still best to taste before judging. There's mild and there's mild.
I would consider a Glenn to be on the mild side, but still very good. Just not excellent.
Glenn is not a good mango to use as a comparison, IMO...Glenns are greatly affected by weather, more specifically water. I have had Glenns in "good" years that are exceptional with full flavor. On the other hand, MOST of the Glenns this year were greatly affected by all of the March, April and May rains we had. I did notice the very last Glenns of the season, the stragglers so to say, had decent flavor.
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[urlhttp://www.daff.qld.gov.au/26_18930.htm][/url]
Any hint of turps is the kiss of death and it is one of the reasons kent failed so badly here.While it was rejected wholeheartedly by the consumers the ag. authorities only acknowledged a bit of turpsiness near the skin as you can see in the link.Mild is definitely better in the eyes of the public than any type of turpentine or hydrocarbon taint.Some of the poorer tasting types are still sent from here to japan where they occupy the bottom of the market.Considering how much area was planted it probably won't take long for kent,keitt,palmer and brooks to be rare in teh market place.The odd thing is that these are highly fancied in other markets.
What a shame. I like turpy, piney, some call it a medicinal taste in some mangoes. I also like the non-turp magoes which you can call mild I guess.
If people gave turps a chance some would like them too. Kents are turpy? Never entered my mind when I ate them.
For those who don't know....Mangoes trees are related to pine trees. Turpentine had been made from pine for centuries. So mangoes can get piney tastes and a piney sap that irritates some peoples skin. I always liked the smell of pine floor cleaners
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[urlhttp://www.daff.qld.gov.au/26_18930.htm][/url]
Any hint of turps is the kiss of death and it is one of the reasons kent failed so badly here.While it was rejected wholeheartedly by the consumers the ag. authorities only acknowledged a bit of turpsiness near the skin as you can see in the link.Mild is definitely better in the eyes of the public than any type of turpentine or hydrocarbon taint.Some of the poorer tasting types are still sent from here to japan where they occupy the bottom of the market.Considering how much area was planted it probably won't take long for kent,keitt,palmer and brooks to be rare in teh market place.The odd thing is that these are highly fancied in other markets.
What a shame. I like turpy, piney, some call it a medicinal taste in some mangoes. I also like the non-turp magoes which you can call mild I guess.
If people gave turps a chance some would like them too. Kents are turpy? Never entered my mind when I ate them.
For those who don't know....Mangoes trees are related to pine trees. Turpentine had been made from pine for centuries. So mangoes can get piney tastes and a piney sap that irritates some peoples skin. I always liked the smell of pine floor cleaners
??? I thought they were related to poison oak.
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What a shame. I like turpy, piney, some call it a medicinal taste in some mangoes. I also like the non-turp magoes which you can call mild I guess.
If people gave turps a chance some would like them too. Kents are turpy? Never entered my mind when I ate them.
For those who don't know....Mangoes trees are related to pine trees. Turpentine had been made from pine for centuries. So mangoes can get piney tastes and a piney sap that irritates some peoples skin. I always liked the smell of pine floor cleaners
Yes, they are both part of the kingdom Plantae. That is about as close as they are related.
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Mild may be "perfect" for some people. its all about personal taste.
there will probably never be a "perfect" mango, because of different preferences. I would rather have a mild, sweet mango that has a creamy texture, and nice aroma, than an intense variety that is grainy. I like Kent and Glenn which are have been labeled "mild".
and that's another point, mild to one person may be strong for another, I have even seen Keitts described as Mild, I wouldn't call those mild.
and what is it that classifies a variety as mild? just weak flavor, or low acidity? or low aroma? I mean you could have a variety that has good mango flavor, but may be low in acid and aroma, and to some that may be considered mild. then there are those that like that resin turpy flavor, and use that as the scale of what is mild or not.
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Pines and mangoes are as distant from each other as humans and jellyfish.The ag. dept link that describes kents as turpsy looks like it didn't come through.There is popular prejudice in the market place here against anything with a hint of turpsiness which is also described as hydrocarbon taint and resinous aftertaste.Kent only has this quality (or lack of it near the skin).
The hunt for the perfect mango will never end.Farmers in the Bowen area of Qld have stopped looking decades ago.
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What a shame. I like turpy, piney, some call it a medicinal taste in some mangoes. I also like the non-turp magoes which you can call mild I guess.
If people gave turps a chance some would like them too. Kents are turpy? Never entered my mind when I ate them.
For those who don't know....Mangoes trees are related to pine trees. Turpentine had been made from pine for centuries. So mangoes can get piney tastes and a piney sap that irritates some peoples skin. I always liked the smell of pine floor cleaners
Yes, they are both part of the kingdom Plantae. That is about as close as they are related.
It's the world according to Zand. HAHAHAHA
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If you all are going to grow fruit trees, you may want to learn a little botany. ;D
Mango and poison ivy are both in the same family of plants: Anacardiaceae. This is just one grouping up from genus and species. Some of these can produce skin reactions, even to mango and/or cashew which is also in this family.
Pine trees, on the other hand, are gymnosperms (seed bearing, but not flower bearing>) Whereas mangoes are angiosperms (flower bearing.) This is one of the most major classifications distinctions in the plant kingdom.
Erica
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That is stating the obvious erica and there was no 'you all' about it.
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We do have a 'mango pine' native to nth Oz. Confusing, as its neither a mango, nor a pine. It has 4 common names, most of which are classics of the European New World common naming convention - 'Corned Beef Wood' is another of its names. Funnily enough, its not in the corned beef family.
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From the CRFG, other than dwarf growth habit, doesn't sound that great when the flavor is described as "mild".
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html (http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html)
for Southern California it is, who knows how it performs in Miami.
For SoCal it is what? My ling was from the Cali Rare Fruit Council's site...I would think/hope they are reporting info based on California production...in which case, I will reiterate, "mild"??
La Verne felt it was worthy to propagate so who cares what CRFG say. We don't like to overhype our tropicals fruits up here in California.
Oh please...you, as in Californians, don't hype and overhype your ability to grow Cherimoyas??
Nurseries propagate Tommy Atkins, does that make it a worthy mango for all to have in their yard?
Rob, you are all over the place....this thread is showing a side of you I didn't really expect.
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Mangos are in the Cashew Family, which includes Poison Ivy and Poison Sumac.
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I've never considered Kent as turpentiney but that is according to my personal taste buds. I have tasted very few varieties of mangoes and I am very confused about what is meant by "spicy"? Is spicy similar to turpentine? Being a novice with mangoes, I always felt that Alphonso tasted Piney, literally almost tasting like what pinesol smells like, but I actually do enjoy the flavor and aroma. Is this piney taste similar to what others call turpentine? Is turpentine similar or used interchangeably with spicy? Thanks in advance!
Simon
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What a shame. I like turpy, piney, some call it a medicinal taste in some mangoes. I also like the non-turp magoes which you can call mild I guess.
If people gave turps a chance some would like them too. Kents are turpy? Never entered my mind when I ate them.
For those who don't know....Mangoes trees are related to pine trees. Turpentine had been made from pine for centuries. So mangoes can get piney tastes and a piney sap that irritates some peoples skin. I always liked the smell of pine floor cleaners
Yes, they are both part of the kingdom Plantae. That is about as close as they are related.
lol. How did I miss this gem.
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What a shame. I like turpy, piney, some call it a medicinal taste in some mangoes. I also like the non-turp magoes which you can call mild I guess.
If people gave turps a chance some would like them too. Kents are turpy? Never entered my mind when I ate them.
For those who don't know....Mangoes trees are related to pine trees. Turpentine had been made from pine for centuries. So mangoes can get piney tastes and a piney sap that irritates some peoples skin. I always liked the smell of pine floor cleaners
Yes, they are both part of the kingdom Plantae. That is about as close as they are related.
lol. How did I miss this gem.
That was a classic! Way to go Murahilin!
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Always eat healthy ,it' s best for health.If any one wants to solve there health problem ,so they always eat fruits.I am always eat apple.
Well you know what they say, "An Apple a Day, Keeps the Doctor away"
by the way, Welcome to the forum ;)
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I've grown this mango two blocks from the ocean in south Ocean Beach in San Diego. Villa Senor is an excellent mild mango, beautiful sweet yummy mango flavor, beautifully strong skin(not a weak skin), beautiful orange flesh, low fiber, no diseases on the fruit, no disease on the leaves. Light brown new growth. I grafted two seedlings that I planted from seed from store bought mangos of whatever varieties, with the Villa Senor in the late 1990's. The seedlings were about 7 years old already, didn't produce any worthwhile fruit as seedlings. However, in 2009 I had them both taken out in due to redevelopment. Bonita Creek Nursery has one of them, which they're using for scion propagation. A super basic easy growing problem free mango with basic beautiful flavor.
Where's the Villa Senor that's in the picture?
Let's get that propagated. Let's do tissue culture to ramp up production quickly.
And with perhaps our new norm of more heat, "Enjoy The Heat, Grow Mangos"
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I've grown this mango two blocks from the ocean in south Ocean Beach in San Diego. Villa Senor is an excellent mild mango, beautiful sweet yummy mango flavor, beautifully strong skin(not a weak skin), beautiful orange flesh, low fiber, no diseases on the fruit, no disease on the leaves. Light brown new growth. I grafted two seedlings that I planted from seed from store bought mangos of whatever varieties, with the Villa Senor in the late 1990's. The seedlings were about 7 years old already, didn't produce any worthwhile fruit as seedlings. However, in 2009 I had them both taken out in due to redevelopment. Bonita Creek Nursery has one of them, which they're using for scion propagation. A super basic easy growing problem free mango with basic beautiful flavor.
Where's the Villa Senor that's in the picture?
Let's get that propagated. Let's do tissue culture to ramp up production quickly.
And with perhaps our new norm of more heat, "Enjoy The Heat, Grow Mangos"
Hummm....nice moniker. La Verne propagates Villaseņor. Cuban007 just purchased one. The tree in the picture is in Eagle Rock . We don't need to do tissue culture you can order one from armstrong nursery. There are better California varieties like Ott and Winters ( coincidently, I had Winters today, excellent).
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Here is the elusive Villasenor mango in Eagle Rock. This is a late mango, as you can see at 800m above sea level.
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/image-60.jpg)
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Wow, beautiful tree and nicely manicured yard.
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[urlhttp://www.daff.qld.gov.au/26_18930.htm][/url]
Any hint of turps is the kiss of death and it is one of the reasons kent failed so badly here.While it was rejected wholeheartedly by the consumers the ag. authorities only acknowledged a bit of turpsiness near the skin as you can see in the link.Mild is definitely better in the eyes of the public than any type of turpentine or hydrocarbon taint.Some of the poorer tasting types are still sent from here to japan where they occupy the bottom of the market.Considering how much area was planted it probably won't take long for kent,keitt,palmer and brooks to be rare in teh market place.The odd thing is that these are highly fancied in other markets.
What a shame. I like turpy, piney, some call it a medicinal taste in some mangoes. I also like the non-turp magoes which you can call mild I guess.
If people gave turps a chance some would like them too. Kents are turpy? Never entered my mind when I ate them.
For those who don't know....Mangoes trees are related to pine trees. Turpentine had been made from pine for centuries. So mangoes can get piney tastes and a piney sap that irritates some peoples skin. I always liked the smell of pine floor cleaners
??? I thought they were related to poison oak.
umm, arent pines gymnosperms?
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Here is the elusive Villasenor mango in Eagle Rock. This is a late mango, as you can see at 800m above sea level.
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/image-60.jpg)
Wow!! That's the perfect size mango for me...nicely shaped and look at ALL those mangoes on the tree!! Joe is that a good tasting mango? Gorgeous tree!!
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WOW i dout that i will have it anytime in my life... What a beautifull tree!!! ;D
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Why is this rubbish about mangos being related to pine trees surfacing yet again! They are both Life Forms and both in the Higher Plant Kingdom, and both are Vascular Plants, and that is the end of their relatedness.
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Why is this rubbish about mangos being related to pine trees surfacing yet again! They are both Life Forms and both in the Higher Plant Kingdom, and both are Vascular Plants, and that is the end of their relatedness.
Yeah, that's what i was thinking. Mango have flowers, pines dont...
They split off at the "division" level, which only exists for special cases, like plants.