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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: fruitlovers on June 21, 2013, 06:55:32 AM
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Both my Kai and Mayong Chid flowered again this month, but only the Mayong Chid held the fruits to maturity. It made about 9 fruits. The trees are about 8 years old. It fruited only on one side of the tree.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MaprangMayongChidTree.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MaprangMayongFruitsAndLeavesoOnTree.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MaprangMayongFruitsOnTree.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/Maprang.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MaprangScaled.jpg)
The Mayong chid fruits are very nice tasting. To me they taste like a mango-plum cross. I gave some to a friend who thought they tasted like persimmon-loquat. We ate them skin and all. The skin is a little bit tart and the fruit is nice and sweet and very juicy. I think this fruit would have wide appeal and commercial potential if trees could be made productive.
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Is the slow growth possibly a regional/conditional thing or is this just the case with Maprang...I imagine your tree is grafted? Is it On Maprang rootstock...also are the seeds poly?
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Very nice photos - thanks for sharing Oscar, and the fruits looks delicious.
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Those are beautiful and sound delicious!
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They do look delicious.
Oscar, do the think the lack of fruit is due to the trees being young, or the climate?
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Very nice looking. This is my mother-in-law's favorite plant. When the tree is loaded with fruit, it looks like it was decorated for Easter. Too bad I always miss out on the season.
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Congrats Oscar. Great pics as usual. Nice healthy looking tree too. Love the purple seeds on these!
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These fruits look absolutely delicious. Mine is about 3 years old, so I may have a while to go before I see any fruits.
Congratulations, Oscar!
Jaime
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Oscar is selling the seed I just got some from him .To use for rootstock. The Kai he has ,he said was a sweet one. I just tasted the fruit ,mango- plum flavor. Zill had a few fruit but was keeping the seed. That is were I tasted the fruit.
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great pics! congrats!
Thanks for sharing!! We gotta get some of scions grafted in FL!
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Wow, fruits look wonderful, I need to go out and kick my tree into gear.
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wow the tree and fruit look flawless, no signs of disease at all. Im guessing its a just a slow growing tree, compared to mango?
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Congrats Oscar. Beautiful fruit and a real nice compact tree.
What's the cold tolerance on them? 28/30?
Thanks for the review and pics... :)
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Those look tasty. I wish I had room for more trees.
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Hi Oscar
Amazing pics! Can we grow these in SoCal?
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Beautiful fruit & tree. I assume these are a little more tolerant of wet than mango (M indica)?
John
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sooooo..... mango-like Oscar....and gorgeous-looking,
and apparently tasting, too!
thanks for posting - always wondered what they
looked and tasted like - really a beautiful tree!!!!!
gary
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It looks nice and healthy with lovely unblemished fruit. The maprangs are in flower here at the moment. The last month of spring and first month of summer is when they are harvested in Thailand and that corresponds with here also. The first season of fruiting is often light followed by much heavier production in subsequent years. I find the taste improved if they are really mature and even if kept for a while off the tree.
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Oscar is selling the seed I just got some from him .To use for rootstock. The Kai he has ,he said was a sweet one. I just tasted the fruit ,mango- plum flavor. Zill had a few fruit but was keeping the seed. That is were I tasted the fruit.
BTW Mike, mailed you some Kai scion wood yesterday.
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It looks nice and healthy with lovely unblemished fruit. The maprangs are in flower here at the moment. The last month of spring and first month of summer is when they are harvested in Thailand and that corresponds with here also. The first season of fruiting is often light followed by much heavier production in subsequent years. I find the taste improved if they are really mature and even if kept for a while off the tree.
I was wondering if the fruits were really fully mature. i kept some aside to try some indoor ripening so will get to see if flavor is even further improved.
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Is the slow growth possibly a regional/conditional thing or is this just the case with Maprang...I imagine your tree is grafted? Is it On Maprang rootstock...also are the seeds poly?
Yes grafted. Probably on maprang. Got the from Frankies. Slow growth is not regional. It's a lot slower growing than mango, though eventually can become a very large tree.
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They do look delicious.
Oscar, do the think the lack of fruit is due to the trees being young, or the climate?
I think it's just because the trees are still young and this is the first fruiting. Or that's what i'm hoping! Will let you know next June. ;)
BTW both trees flowered last year but didn't hold fruits.
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Very nice looking. This is my mother-in-law's favorite plant. When the tree is loaded with fruit, it looks like it was decorated for Easter. Too bad I always miss out on the season.
Yeah, i never get to taste them in Thailand either because who wants to go there in March? I did get to taste them once before here because they have a couple trees here at the experimental station. So i knew it was possible to fruit them here. 8)
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Congrats Oscar. Beautiful fruit and a real nice compact tree.
What's the cold tolerance on them? 28/30?
Thanks for the review and pics... :)
According to the CRFG cultural data sheet their kill temperature is 30F (-1.5C).
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Hi Oscar
Amazing pics! Can we grow these in SoCal?
Should be tried. I think they will be trickier to get to fruit than mangos. Might be good to put them on mango rootstock? Would all be experimental.
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Beautiful fruit & tree. I assume these are a little more tolerant of wet than mango (M indica)?
John
Unlike my mango trees, these trees are totally free of anthracnose, at least so far.....
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Hi Oscar
Amazing pics! Can we grow these in SoCal?
Should be tried. I think they will be trickier to get to fruit than mangos. Might be good to put them on mango rootstock? Would all be experimental.
That's exactly what I will be doing, Oscar, when your scions get here. I will also try a cocktail with a Carrie in container.
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Oscar they color up prior to full ripeness with mayong chid so it is good to leave them on the tree a bit longer than the color would have you believe. The skin thins a bit as well and off the tree they can wrinkle a bit when they are at a good stage to eat.
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Oscar, did your maprang fruit the past 2 years?
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Oscar, did your maprang fruit the past 2 years?
Yes, but only very lightly.
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The good thai types need a dry winter with a drop in temperature to below say 14c on a few occasions at least to produce heavily.They are heavy croppers here with fruit spotting bugs the thing that reduces yields.
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The good thai types need a dry winter with a drop in temperature to below say 14c on a few occasions at least to produce heavily.They are heavy croppers here with fruit spotting bugs the thing that reduces yields.
Seems like Maprang would do well here, as that describes our "normal" winter to a T.
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They won't enjoy temps that go down to freezing or close to it but I think they have more cold tolerance than what coom on beliefs suggest.They are very much like small mango trees in appearance and fruit ripen before the first mangoes do,which is the end of spring here.I have sent seeds to Florida before and don't know if any are going ok.
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They won't enjoy temps that go down to freezing or close to it but I think they have more cold tolerance than what coom on beliefs suggest.They are very much like small mango trees in appearance and fruit ripen before the first mangoes do,which is the end of spring here.I have sent seeds to Florida before and don't know if any are going ok.
Thanks, Mike. The tree I have seen, and the stuff I have read/heard seems to point to problems with weak roots. It supposedly can be grafted onto mango, but all attempts that I know of have failed. Hopefully, people are still working on solving it--they are beautiful fruit and sound delicious!
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Mike T, what is your personal preference in terms of variety (Kai, Mayong Chid, etc)
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I don't know what Kai really is but think it could be a type of wan.I like the big wan types because they are the sweetest but the larger mayon chid lines are good and have more tang.People seem divided on which is better of these.Ones not from Thailand originally are too sour.
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They won't enjoy temps that go down to freezing or close to it but I think they have more cold tolerance than what coom on beliefs suggest.They are very much like small mango trees in appearance and fruit ripen before the first mangoes do,which is the end of spring here.I have sent seeds to Florida before and don't know if any are going ok.
Thanks, Mike. The tree I have seen, and the stuff I have read/heard seems to point to problems with weak roots. It supposedly can be grafted onto mango, but all attempts that I know of have failed. Hopefully, people are still working on solving it--they are beautiful fruit and sound delicious!
I question the true ability of being able to be grafted onto M. indica (or there is a trick that is not made "public"). I wont say where but I have seen beautiful thriving and fruiting specimens in Palm Beach County. Unfortunately they sre seedlings and fruit quality was not what i would say is a must have. Hopefully the ones Mike describes are of much better eating quality.
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They won't enjoy temps that go down to freezing or close to it but I think they have more cold tolerance than what coom on beliefs suggest.They are very much like small mango trees in appearance and fruit ripen before the first mangoes do,which is the end of spring here.I have sent seeds to Florida before and don't know if any are going ok.
Thanks, Mike. The tree I have seen, and the stuff I have read/heard seems to point to problems with weak roots. It supposedly can be grafted onto mango, but all attempts that I know of have failed. Hopefully, people are still working on solving it--they are beautiful fruit and sound delicious!
I question the true ability of being able to be grafted onto M. indica (or there is a trick that is not made "public"). I wont say where but I have seen beautiful thriving and fruiting specimens in Palm Beach County. Unfortunately they sre seedlings and fruit quality was not what i would say is a must have. Hopefully the ones Mike describes are of much better eating quality.
Have you heard anything about how excaliburs grafts are doing? So far the tree seems easy to grow in the ground for me. I still have only gotten one lone fruit from my tree but it's only 6ft tall. Grows painfully slow though. I am kind of wondering if it is just permanently stunted from the bare rooting and shipping years ago.
I have had no luck trying to graft onto mango stock. Even approach grafts failed. I'm going to try a couple airlayers this spring.
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The ones at Excalibur that Sheehan spoke of have only been potted up from their bare root trip over from Thailand for about a month or so.
As to the fruiting trees i spoke of, they a re not very tall, maybe 7 feet but very well branched and bushy.
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As far as varietal names go, the different flavor profiles and such, and size...several sources said that for the most part, there is the one they call mayong chid, which has the sweet/little sour flavor that most people prefer. The other they call just maprang. It is smaller than mayong chid and basically just sweet. Then people started jumping on the variety name bandwagon...Kai, Wan...and now there are even more. They started giving names after their own, a province, a farm. Some claim this or that, but they are basically the same trees producing the same fruit. So, according to many of the folks who grow and sell them for a living, if it is not a mayong chid, its a maprang. I brought home 3 of each and unfortunately lost all 3 maprangs.
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The thai trinomial system means the location they come from often gets put on the end.They are all maprang then the second name is sour,sour to sweet when ripe or sweet. Sour,mayon chid and Wan are the 3 classes not varieties as there is variation within each of these 3 classes.They call the whole lot maprang.
One of mine is maprang Wan ubon.Some Wan lines can be well over 100g so can't be differentiated from mayon chid by size.As both Wan and mayon chid can vary in shape,colour and size you can't tell them apart by appearance just taste.
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After 4 years of fruiting the trees, both Kai and Mayong Chid maprangs, finally get into heavy gear with a heavy cropings.
Kai Tree:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MaprangKaiTreeLoaded.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MaprangKaiFruitClusters.jpg)
Mayong Chid Tree:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MaprangMayongChidTreeLoaded.jpg)
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MaprangMayondChidFruitCluster.jpg)
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Oscar et al: How to you prune your maprangs: do you tip-prune your young maprangs like you would a young mango to encourage more tips forming? or have you just let it grow naturally? it seems slower growing than mango and less vigorous, but it also seems to branch more naturally, so I'm hesitant to start cutting the tips of mine even though they're about 4ft tall. Thanks. F.
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They're slow till they get 5-6 feet tall, but then really take off. You can prune them same way as mango once they take off.
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The trees look wonderful and very healthy. Incredible.
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They're slow till they get 5-6 feet tall, but then really take off. You can prune them same way as mango once they take off.
Thanks that's very helpful!
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Eating lots of maprangs now, both Kai and Mayong Chid. Have been really enjoying them. They have a nice full flavor, really thirst quenching, and satisfying. Gave them to several people and they all really liked them also. One person told me it's one of the best fruits they ever had. Another person said they kind of tasted like apricots, and yes i think there is something to that, except they are more tart than an apricot. The tartness seems to be mostly in the skin, so peeling them would make them sweeter, but i haven't done that as i really enjoy full range of tastes it has.
The best news for me is that they are totally anthracnose resistant, not a single spot on any of the fruits. Asnthracnose is a big problem here on the mangoes. The maprangs also keep really well. Had some out of the fridge for a week with little problem. In fridge i'm sure they would keep a very long time. Also the trees are very productive once they get old enough. I think this fruit has a lot of commercial promise here.
The mayong chid is a couple of weeks later in production than the Kai. The fruits are the size and shape of a large chicken. If it weren't for the color they could from a distnce be confused with eggs. You can see 2 brown eggs in the back of the photo for scale and comparison:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MaprangKaiScaled.jpg)
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They have been a backyard tree in my area since at least the 70's and I have never understood why they are not more popular or commercial. Mayon chid picked ripe and left until it wrinkles a bit has quite edible skin that thins. There are ways of cooking them for dessert and trees can have really big crops. People with productive trees value them highly and park trees always get raided. Maprang is a worthwhile fruit.
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They have been a backyard tree in my area since at least the 70's and I have never understood why they are not more popular or commercial. Mayon chid picked ripe and left until it wrinkles a bit has quite edible skin that thins. There are ways of cooking them for dessert and trees can have really big crops. People with productive trees value them highly and park trees always get raided. Maprang is a worthwhile fruit.
i c
Maprang is almost totally unknown here. Hopefully i can change that a bit.
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Guys,
Are these normally propagated from seed and if so, are they true from seed?
Are they similar to ungrafted mango in terms of years to reach bearing age (~ 7?)
Regards,
Sam
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Guys,
Are these normally propagated from seed and if so, are they true from seed?
Are they similar to ungrafted mango in terms of years to reach bearing age (~ 7?)
Regards,
Sam
Can be propagated from seed, air layer, or grafting. They are slower growing and fruiting than mangoes. Time will depend on where you live?
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Hi Oscar,
I have two 3 foot tall Bouea trees I want to plant in the ground soon. I'm running out of room in our yard, but want them to have enough space as to not be too crowded. What would be a good spacing distance? Your trees look fairly small and bushy.
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Hi Oscar,
I have two 3 foot tall Bouea trees I want to plant in the ground soon. I'm running out of room in our yard, but want them to have enough space as to not be too crowded. What would be a good spacing distance? Your trees look fairly small and bushy.
They stay small and bushy for long time, but eventually get like a mango sized tree. Seedling trees get larger, just like seedling mango vs. grafted mango. The ones in the photo are grafted trees. I would use minimum 25 ft, spacing, and 30 ft. if you have the room. If you prune them veryregularly you could get by with 20 ft. or even 15 ft. spacing.
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I am still confused a bit on the two varieties, which of the two, do you think has the most appeal to the general public in taste?
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I am still confused a bit on the two varieties, which of the two, do you think has the most appeal to the general public in taste?
Will let you know shortly. The Mayong Chid is a bit later in production, so haven't had enough of those yet to compare fairly yet with the Kai.
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Thanks for the info. I'll have to rethink my planting area now. Unfortunately mine are all seedling trees. I had ordered grafted trees from Thailand that took too long to get here and arrived covered in mold and deceased. I was planning to keep the seedling trees heavily pruned back. I have acquired a lot of seeds from Thailand lately and they all seem to be labeled a different variety. Not sure how different they are or if its just like mango names. Hopefully they'll taste okay....
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OK, i've eaten many dozens of fruits of both Kai and Mayong Chid maprangs. Both are very tasty, but i like the Kai a bit more. The Kais are sweeter, bigger, and about 2 weeks earlier. Some people have commented they like Mayong Chid better because it has a better sweet/acid balance. But i find the Kai has enough of a tart twist that it's also very full flavored.
Both are really excellent fruits, and i'm really getting much more fond of them the more i eat of them. They're kind of habit forming. And they seem to fulfill a stone fruit craving that most other tropical fruits cannot do. I've been cutting some up also to put in cereal. They cut up very easily. Don't make the messy sticky mess that mangoes do when you cut them. And there is a very good pulp to seed ratio. I'm guessing they would be excellent dried, but have not tried that yet.
The 2 types of fruits look very similar, except that the Kai is a bit larger and more dark orange. I will try to post a photo of both together for comparison later.
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Here is a photo of Kai maprang next to Mayong chid maprang:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/MaprangMayongChidAndKai.jpg)
Both trees were very productive. The Mayong Chid was more productive. I just picked in one day about 50 pounds of fruits off that one Mayong Chid tree. The tree is about 9 feet tall.
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Can be propagated from seed, air layer, or grafting. They are slower growing and fruiting than mangoes. Time will depend on where you live?
I believe you mentioned that they are slow at first, and then after they get a certain size, grow normally. this reminded me of Mangosteen, it grows this long tap root, with little of the finer lateral roots. ( securing its water source ) I did some looking around seems maprang also has this tap root that it concentrates on.
I bet that giving this tree regular foliar feeding when young, will get it to mature much sooner. like with Garcinia.
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Can be propagated from seed, air layer, or grafting. They are slower growing and fruiting than mangoes. Time will depend on where you live?
I believe you mentioned that they are slow at first, and then after they get a certain size, grow normally. this reminded me of Mangosteen, it grows this long tap root, with little of the finer lateral roots. ( securing its water source ) I did some looking around seems maprang also has this tap root that it concentrates on.
I bet that giving this tree regular foliar feeding when young, will get it to mature much sooner. like with Garcinia.
Yes that's right, on both things.
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I haven't noticed an aggressive root system on these. They seem very weak to me. A good comparison from my experience would be Mango = Jackfruit/ Maprang = Cempedak. I grow everything in root pruning containers. I will take some pics when step up some Maprang from their propagation pots.
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It seems that Kai must be a type of wan or sweet and mayon chid is a sour to sweet and the general name rather than a specific type.
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is there any source to get a maprang tree locally (south florida)? and more importantly, is it worth growing here?
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Interesting... in investigating the sun-shade balance of this tree, I'm finding some pictures of it growing, and even laden with fruit, in much higher shade than I'd think possible. E.x.:
(https://www.healthbenefitstimes.com/9/gallery/gandaria/Gandaria-tree.jpg)
Does this match people's experience, that Maprang can still thrive in part shade?
Also, I'm still hunting for info as to whether it's mono- or dioecious. The info that everyone seems to leave out of plant descriptions :Þ
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It's going to grow in partial shade, but the side facing the shade will not have fruits on it. It is mono, only one needed for cross pollination.
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It's going to grow in partial shade, but the side facing the shade will not have fruits on it. It is mono, only one needed for cross pollination.
Excellent, thanks for the info.
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I'm still mad I killed the one I had!! Is there any source in fl to buy a couple trees?
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I'm still mad I killed the one I had!! Is there any source in fl to buy a couple trees?
Try Excalibur. They had it in the past.
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Plantogram had them about a month ago.
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Great thank you