Juciy Peach and Peach Cobbler Mango

[Rob1977]

Been looking at Ebay for mangos to buy and saw these two varieties. Ive read alittle bit about Peach Cobbler but never herd of Juicy Peach. Can anyone comment on these two?

[gnappi]

Been looking at Ebay for mangos to buy and saw these two varieties. Ive read alittle bit about Peach Cobbler but never herd of Juicy Peach. Can anyone comment on these two?

I never heard of "juicy peach" but I had a peach mango in the late 70's early 80's. It was pulled from the ground and dumped in a cracked plastic garbage can with a bit of soil and sold to me at a moving sale. It grew HUGE in only a few years and had fruit the size of a large peach that had no fiber at all and the flesh was the texture of a peach. I was told it was an old cultivar.

[bsbullie]

If you use the search feature you will find info on both of these varieties. 

Juicy Peach, formerly known as F-29, is a New variety  created by Gary Zill as part of his breeding program.  It is a very good mango, not necessarily any real peach flavor to it.  It is from a Tommy Atkins seedling  however this fruit is free of fiber.

Peach Cobbler, formerly known as  0-2, is a top notch variety.  It is also a Gary Zill creation.   It is a Kent seedling  that was crossed with a Gary.  It is a pretty much ugly looking mango from the outside  as it stays a blah basic mango green but its taste gives the wow dactor.  It has a distinct flavor reminiscent of sweet tangerine sherbet.

[dongeorgio]

I have a Juicy Peach planted and traded a couple of others.  Mine is growing beautifully but I never tried the fruit.  Here is a link to a post that discussed it previously:  http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=9591.0

[Rob1977]

Thanks! I may pull the trigger on Peach Cobbler......maybe!

[edzone9]

Thanks! I may pull the trigger on Peach Cobbler......maybe!

That Makes 2 Of Us ..
Ed

[Squam256]

Peach Cobbler doesn't taste like peach at all.

Juicy Peach kind of does though.

[Mr. Clean]

I had my first Peach Cobbler last night; I thought it tasted like J-12 (Super Julie); with a similar orange colored flesh.

[DurianLover]

That's weird. I guess I'm the only one detecting slight peach flavor in Peach Cobbler. I thought it's appropriately named. It's great undercover mango though where theft might be a problem. Small and stays green up to very last day.

[bsbullie]

That's weird. I guess I'm the only one detecting slight peach flavor in Peach Cobbler. I thought it's appropriately named. It's great undercover mango though where theft might be a problem. Small and stays green up to very last day.

Nope, never detected any peach flavor.  Every one I have had over the years have had a tangerine candy prodomimant flavor.

It was named peach cobbler supposedly due to the spice flavors in a conbler (cinnamon, all spice, etc) that were detwcted in the flavor.  Can honestly say I have not noticed those flavors.

Juicy peach, on the other hand, has a distinct peach flavor.

[JF]

They don't taste the same to me. Fruit shape and growth of J12 and Juicy peach are way different

[behlgarden]

That's weird. I guess I'm the only one detecting slight peach flavor in Peach Cobbler. I thought it's appropriately named. It's great undercover mango though where theft might be a problem. Small and stays green up to very last day.

Nope, never detected any peach flavor.  Every one I have had over the years have had a tangerine candy prodomimant flavor.

It was named peach cobbler supposedly due to the spice flavors in a conbler (cinnamon, all spice, etc) that were detwcted in the flavor.  Can honestly say I have not noticed those flavors.

Juicy peach, on the other hand, has a distinct peach flavor.

I agree with Rob, Peach Cobbler is the most tangy/orange flavored mango that I have tasted, more so than Lemon Zest at least the ones I have had, mine clocked at brix or 26. Peach cobbler is my favorite mango, ahead of beloved sweet tart.

[DurianLover]

That's weird. I guess I'm the only one detecting slight peach flavor in Peach Cobbler. I thought it's appropriately named. It's great undercover mango though where theft might be a problem. Small and stays green up to very last day.

Nope, never detected any peach flavor.  Every one I have had over the years have had a tangerine candy prodomimant flavor.

It was named peach cobbler supposedly due to the spice flavors in a conbler (cinnamon, all spice, etc) that were detwcted in the flavor.  Can honestly say I have not noticed those flavors.

Juicy peach, on the other hand, has a distinct peach flavor.

I agree with Rob, Peach Cobbler is the most tangy/orange flavored mango that I have tasted, more so than Lemon Zest at least the ones I have had, mine clocked at brix or 26. Peach cobbler is my favorite mango, ahead of beloved sweet tart.

Wow, how can we taste so differently?  I had my samples from Squam, maybe very rainy summer in FL this year messing it up ?Some other varieties from FL seems to be down in flavor this year.

[behlgarden]

remember, here in Southern California we get dry hot weather when mangoes ripen, we get most sweetness that we can get and Sept is prime time for mangoes here. we do get our fair share of bland mangoes here or there but mostly we exceed the sweetness readings. we clocked 31 brix on Sweet Tart multiple times from different places at different times last year.

[bsbullie]

That's weird. I guess I'm the only one detecting slight peach flavor in Peach Cobbler. I thought it's appropriately named. It's great undercover mango though where theft might be a problem. Small and stays green up to very last day.

Nope, never detected any peach flavor.  Every one I have had over the years have had a tangerine candy prodomimant flavor.

It was named peach cobbler supposedly due to the spice flavors in a conbler (cinnamon, all spice, etc) that were detwcted in the flavor.  Can honestly say I have not noticed those flavors.

Juicy peach, on the other hand, has a distinct peach flavor.

I agree with Rob, Peach Cobbler is the most tangy/orange flavored mango that I have tasted, more so than Lemon Zest at least the ones I have had, mine clocked at brix or 26. Peach cobbler is my favorite mango, ahead of beloved sweet tart.

Wow, how can we taste so differently?  I had my samples from Squam, maybe very rainy summer in FL this year messing it up ?Some other varieties from FL seems to be down in flavor this year.

Exxept for a few exxeptipns, it was a crappy seaon in general for mangoes.

Peach Cobbler os also not a small mango.   Yes, any variety in general can produce runts but I would not classify the fruit size as small.

[beefyboy]

The last Peach cobbler I weighed just a few days ago weighed in at 653 grams and the majority are well over 550 grams. It is a very hefty fruit and quality keeps getting better! It is not an easy fruit to gauge when ready to eat however.

[beefyboy]

I just read the interesting posts by all you guys. Yes, Peach Cobbler has the wow factor amplified, Lemon Zest is mellow compared. It has a distinct spicy cinnamon flavor but yet somewhat smooth. I think once the tree gets into it's third or fourth year of fruiting, it will smooth out a bit. Eating the fruit off the skin magnifies that intense tangerine flavor and the skin is not in any way bitter like many other mangoes.

[igrowmangos]

I just plated my Peach Cobbler (not like I needed anymore mango trees) and justified pulling out a Hamlin Orange tree due to the citrus psyllid insect problem in Florida. Can anyone post a photo of the fruit when ripe? Can anyone describe the growth profile of this tree? Thanks in advance...

[bsbullie]

I just plated my Peach Cobbler (not like I needed anymore mango trees) and justified pulling out a Hamlin Orange tree due to the citrus psyllid insect problem in Florida. Can anyone post a photo of the fruit when ripe? Can anyone describe the growth profile of this tree? Thanks in advance...

Will look for a picture but basically green.

Tree is vigorous and upright with a very slight spread

[cbss_daviefl]

Mine are scabby with just a hint of yellow.

[Guanabanus]

Nice point about the anti-theft factor!  I'll add Peach Cobbler to my "O.K. to plant by the street" list, with Fairchild, Florigon, Zebda, Pram Kai Mea, and Choc Anan.

Juicy Peach, on the other hand, has an unusual, bright pink color.  It is a good juice mango.

[igrowmangos]

Thanks for the photo, Last night someone posted a video of the mango being picked from a 15 gal. pot. It had no scab to note, it had a slight yellow blush toward the top, and it was described as ripening sort of uneven. Kind of hard on one side and soft on the other. He stated that the mango was excellent. He stated that next year he hopes the tree will be more mature and produce a better mango. I think that this mango might be a real winner. I cant wait. He said it also had the most branching of all his mango trees and grew the fastest. This might be a great rootstock mango as well. Those Gary crosses don't play! The one I grabbed from my local nursery looked like it was on steroids, very tall with only one branch. I will cut it at around 4ft to let it branch from there since I do believe as others stated that this is going to have a Valencia Pride type of growth.

[PurpleAlligator]

I just plated my Peach Cobbler (not like I needed anymore mango trees) and justified pulling out a Hamlin Orange tree due to the citrus psyllid insect problem in Florida. Can anyone post a photo of the fruit when ripe? Can anyone describe the growth profile of this tree? Thanks in advance...

Will look for a picture but basically green.

Tree is vigorous and upright with a very slight spread

My peach cobbler is the most vigorous mango tree I have. But not straight up. It has a nice round canopy. It is putting out new flushes non stop. It's 3 years old and is still ornamental. There were very few flowers in the spring that did not result in fruit.  I just have it a very aggressive prune cutting off about 1/3.

[Squam256]

I just plated my Peach Cobbler (not like I needed anymore mango trees) and justified pulling out a Hamlin Orange tree due to the citrus psyllid insect problem in Florida. Can anyone post a photo of the fruit when ripe? Can anyone describe the growth profile of this tree? Thanks in advance...

Will look for a picture but basically green.

Tree is vigorous and upright with a very slight spread

My peach cobbler is the most vigorous mango tree I have. But not straight up. It has a nice round canopy. It is putting out new flushes non stop. It's 3 years old and is still ornamental. There were very few flowers in the spring that did not result in fruit.  I just have it a very aggressive prune cutting off about 1/3.

They're not precocious trees for sure. They appear to take several years just to flower and don't hold onto their fruit well.

[beefyboy]

Here is Peach cobbler perfectly ripe and ready to eat. Also a pic of the tree taken 5 months ago. I need to update and take a new pic. The tree is growing  aggressively and has been in the ground for 2 years and 4 months. It was a 3 gal tree and now stands 10ft by 9ft wide. It had about 70 fruit and I kept stripping the tree til it held 35 fruit max. The fruit held extremely well and literally could have easily held 45 and this was its first year fruiting. It is a workhorse here, and precociousness would be an understatement!

[beefyboy]

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Here are pics of Peach Cobbler cut open! I will say that for some reason, the fruit on the plate came out lighter colored in pic. It was much darker and a deep tangerine color, different than pic. Flavor was very good. Tonight I had another one, it was possibly the best mango I have had in a long time.

[bsbullie]

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Here are pics of Peach Cobbler cut open! I will say that for some reason, the fruit on the plate came out lighter colored in pic. It was much darker and a deep tangerine color, different than pic. Flavor was very good. Tonight I had another one, it was possibly the best mango I have had in a long time.

Would I have steered you wrong?  Taste of tangerine candy?

[beefyboy]

I was hoping to blame you if it sucked, now I can't!

[johnb51]

No one is commenting on Juicy Peach.  Were they any good this year?

[beefyboy]

I think once Rob spoke of how he started to appreciate the Juicy Peach flavor, many anointed it and decided it was in the top 10. lol  With all due respect to Rob, I would not put it in any top ten until you hear it over and over again from various people and hopefully they like what you like. I wish I were able to taste it for it sounds like a mango that could hit my top ten more than probably others for I like slightly tamer mangoes that still offer a pronounced flavor. I think most never grew it for the interest was on Peach Cobbler early on. Now it seems many will be growing it but it will take several more years before people start talking about it and have their own fruit to try. I do not think it will gain all star status since it will taste washed out compared to all these flavor bombs. The thing is, all these flavor bombs get to be a bit much eating day in and day out. To me, a great mango is one you can enjoy eating 3-4 mangoes at a sitting and still crave one more off the tree, now that is a superstar mango. I bet Juicy Peach does just that! But that is my system of a mango trial.  Most on here probably do not see it that way, and are looking for another Sweet Tart type, Bolt, or Kryptonite type. The ratings on here are not about balance for the most part, it is the one time taste test of knockout flavors that blow you away. I do not think Juicy Peach will remotely do that, so it will seldom if ever make a top ten placing. This is all my perspective, we shall see.

[behlgarden]

Here is Peach cobbler perfectly ripe and ready to eat. Also a pic of the tree taken 5 months ago. I need to update and take a new pic. The tree is growing  aggressively and has been in the ground for 2 years and 4 months. It was a 3 gal tree and now stands 10ft by 9ft wide. It had about 70 fruit and I kept stripping the tree til it held 35 fruit max. The fruit held extremely well and literally could have easily held 45 and this was its first year fruiting. It is a workhorse here, and precociousness would be an understatement!

wow! from 3 Gal to 10 feet tall in 3 years. My 3 Gal in two years is only 4 feet x 4 feet, produced about 10 mangoes this year. It is very slow for me in So Cal.

[mangomanic12]

Behl , they have rain , humidity & soft sandy soil = Quick growth
We have Little rain , dry heat and clay soil     =       Much slower growth

[bsbullie]

No one is commenting on Juicy Peach.  Were they any good this year?

Yes, very giid in a not so great year.

[beefyboy]

I am not trying to praise myself at all but most people do not care for their trees and a 4 x4 tree size is the same thing you will find here on many occasions, usually caused by letting it fruit as a damn twig.  No mulch, weeds, grass to the trunk area, improper fertilizing or forgetting to fertilize altogether are common problems. It's all common sense!  It reached 10 ft at well under 3 years actually.  8-4-8 fertilizer works great but I also give them Ironite at equal ratios depending, with every feeding. And another big thing is over watering when people fertilize! they push the fertilizer past the root zone which is a common practice in our sandy soil and the trees get little fertilization.  Sorry for hijacking, but wanted to respond! I will post a pic later that I take today.

[johnb51]

I think once Rob spoke of how he started to appreciate the Juicy Peach flavor, many anointed it and decided it was in the top 10. lol  With all due respect to Rob, I would not put it in any top ten until you hear it over and over again from various people and hopefully they like what you like. I wish I were able to taste it for it sounds like a mango that could hit my top ten more than probably others for I like slightly tamer mangoes that still offer a pronounced flavor. I think most never grew it for the interest was on Peach Cobbler early on. Now it seems many will be growing it but it will take several more years before people start talking about it and have their own fruit to try. I do not think it will gain all star status since it will taste washed out compared to all these flavor bombs. The thing is, all these flavor bombs get to be a bit much eating day in and day out. To me, a great mango is one you can enjoy eating 3-4 mangoes at a sitting and still crave one more off the tree, now that is a superstar mango. I bet Juicy Peach does just that! But that is my system of a mango trial.  Most on here probably do not see it that way, and are looking for another Sweet Tart type, Bolt, or Kryptonite type. The ratings on here are not about balance for the most part, it is the one time taste test of knockout flavors that blow you away. I do not think Juicy Peach will remotely do that, so it will seldom if ever make a top ten placing. This is all my perspective, we shall see.

So you've never tasted it, and you don't really know, but just wanted to offer your opinion anyway?  Okay.

[behlgarden]

I am not trying to praise myself at all but most people do not care for their trees and a 4 x4 tree size is the same thing you will find here on many occasions, usually caused by letting it fruit as a damn twig.  No mulch, weeds, grass to the trunk area, improper fertilizing or forgetting to fertilize altogether are common problems. It's all common sense!  It reached 10 ft at well under 3 years actually.  8-4-8 fertilizer works great but I also give them Ironite at equal ratios depending, with every feeding. And another big thing is over watering when people fertilize! they push the fertilizer past the root zone which is a common practice in our sandy soil and the trees get little fertilization.  Sorry for hijacking, but wanted to respond! I will post a pic later that I take today.

for Florida yes, for CA it does not work on all varieties. On Fruiting, I believe its ok to let fruit when grafted tree is 3-4 yr old, size is something that is to be desired in CA.

[beefyboy]

Yes, I am just giving my opinion on Juicy Peach from all I have read, just my gut opinion.

[beefyboy]

for Florida yes, for CA it does not work on all varieties. On Fruiting, I believe its ok to let fruit when grafted tree is 3-4 yr old, size is something that is to be desired in CA

I am not at all commenting on what you need to do in California as far as anything, especially fertilization.  I should have said that to begin with! I only speak of Florida, and even more so, the West coast. The East coast of Florida has different needs as well,  As far as fruiting, that is pretty universal and anyone who has knowledge, knows when a tree is ready. The condition of that tree, size and girth to support the weight of said fruit, is all paramount, I am sure most agree,  like I think you are talking about in post above.  To me Age means nothing,  if that tree is not ready, it is not ready, plain and simple. I am sure we are mainly agreeing, just spoken in a slightly different manner since our climatic situation is so much different.

[johnb51]

Yes, I am just giving my opinion on Juicy Peach from all I have read, just my gut opinion.

I don't think I've seen much about Juicy Peach on this forum except that Rob, who's one of our connoisseurs, really likes it.  Maybe it hasn't been widely planted?

[beefyboy]

I think once Rob spoke of how he started to appreciate the Juicy Peach flavor, many anointed it and decided it was in the top 10. lol  With all due respect to Rob, I would not put it in any top ten until you hear it over and over again from various people and hopefully they like what you like. I wish I were able to taste it for it sounds like a mango that could hit my top ten more than probably others for I like slightly tamer mangoes that still offer a pronounced flavor. I think most never grew it for the interest was on Peach Cobbler early on. Now it seems many will be growing it but it will take several more years before people start talking about it and have their own fruit to try. I do not think it will gain all star status since it will taste washed out compared to all these flavor bombs. The thing is, all these flavor bombs get to be a bit much eating day in and day out. To me, a great mango is one you can enjoy eating 3-4 mangoes at a sitting and still crave one more off the tree, now that is a superstar mango. I bet Juicy Peach does just that! But that is my system of a mango trial.  Most on here probably do not see it that way, and are looking for another Sweet Tart type, Bolt, or Kryptonite type. The ratings on here are not about balance for the most part, it is the one time taste test of knockout flavors that blow you away. I do not think Juicy Peach will remotely do that, so it will seldom if ever make a top ten placing. This is all my perspective, we shall see.

Here is what I said earlier John !

[bulldawg305]

I've tried some the last few years. To me it has more of an orange juice/tang flavor more than a peach flavor and they really are extremely juicy. Overall an awesome unique flavored mango.

[beefyboy]

Which one bulldawg?

[bulldawg305]

Juicy Peach that is.

[Mark in Texas]

This is very encouraging.  Have 2 sticks of Juicy Peach on a cocktail tree, now on its second flush of leaves.
 

[bsbullie]

I understand tastes are subjective and how different people interpret flavors can be different, but the Juicy Peach I have had (and its been many) have been a mix of peachy and mango and extremely juicy.  I know I have shared them in the past with other members and one cherimoya growing non-member and all have lived it.  Until this year, sources for fruit were very limited and mainly came from ZHPP.   This year was the first I heard where supply was from multiole sources.  I know specimens fron Alex were highly regarded as being excellent.

[Mark in Texas]

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[WGphil]

My juicy peach is the fastest growing tree in my yard

Spreading and almost as tall as the sweet tart which is pretty vigorous also