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Ichang Papeda search.
« on: March 05, 2017, 09:06:58 PM »
Crazy question: everyone has p. Trifoliata, but who has Ichang papeda (citrus ichangensis)? I know the fruit is supposed to be useless, but what if someone wants a big ol' citrus tree with big ol' fruit on it where it gets down to zero degrees? Who is growing it, and who is selling it or the seeds? Is it any good as a rootstock?

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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 07:59:54 PM »
Huh. Guess not.

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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2017, 03:54:47 AM »
I have it in the ground, it is grafted on poncirus.
Last year I planted its seedlings in the ground, they are growing quite well, survived -9C and  10 days of frozen ground.
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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2017, 09:55:29 PM »
Good for you, Ilya! Thanks for the response. Best wishes.

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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2017, 03:49:12 PM »
I think the reason why it is not being used as rootstock is the variability of its seedlings,  they are zygotic and do not reproduce faithfully the mother plant.
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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 09:18:07 PM »
I figured people don't have it because the fruit is supposed to be nasty. But poncyrus trifoliata is nasty and people grow it. I think I read somewhere that trifoliata serves as a better rootstock and is more cold hardy than ichangensis.

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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2017, 03:39:38 AM »
Here in Europe we have  a clone of ichangensis - IVIA , that is quite edible.
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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2017, 08:09:59 PM »
Well, I wish we could have that one here, Ilya. Nice to know though.

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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2017, 06:42:01 PM »
Hi everyone
I am new to this forum. I have an ichangensis IVIA and Ilya is right when he says the fruit is quite edible (that is compared to other ichangensis cultivars or Poncirus). My plant is still small and the fruit might become bigger as the tree grows larger. There was not much pulp in the fruits I have harvested so far but there is , in contrast to other ichangensis cultivars. The juice is usable just like lemon juice. Another plus is the fact that they ripen even in our cool summers.
I know reports from Germany of trees surviving down to -18C but I don't know about the IVIA. I haven't tested mine yet since I want to let it grow a bit larger first.





If in the future it should contain more seeds, I will be happy to share them.
cheers
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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2017, 09:19:51 PM »
Florian welcome to the forum, we are happy to have you as a member.

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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2017, 09:21:29 PM »
Florian, so wonderful to read your post! Thanks for the pic too!  Would be nice to have some of those IVIA seeds on this continent, as long as customs and agricultural laws don't prohibit it. Sounds like you all have a great species there that those of us in colder climates can appreciate. Welcome to the forum!

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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2017, 11:50:38 AM »
Thanks for the warm welcome. It would be a pity if your customs didn't allow to send citrus seeds (since I understand they can't carry viruses, can they?). We shall see.. :)
We do indeed have some interesting citrus varieties here but so do you. For example I have never seen a Clemyuz 2-2 for sale here (let alone a dekopon). Also, the Japanese have some good stuff which nobody seems to be able to get their hands on like the seedless Yuzus or the real Yuko..
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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2017, 04:39:07 PM »
Hi Citradia,

I have Ichang papeda, or at least a variant of it. Mine has done well and has not been bothered by the couple of events of single digit weather we've experienced over the last 10 or so years. It has survived a lot of cold along with a few other trusty hardy varieties I have planted out in the yard here in VA. We got hit pretty hard going on three years ago and my trees are starting to come back around. I grafted my Ichang papeda on flying dragon so it isn't very big. It has pretty leaves similar to kaffir lime. My papeda fruit are small and all virtually seedless or have aborted seeds. I feel that my Ichang lemon tree is prettier though and the larger fruit is more useful. It has survived along side the papeda without much issue. If you don't mind the trifoliate leaves Swingle citrumelo will give you a big 'ol tree full of big 'ol citrus fruit too.

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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2017, 07:30:21 PM »
Hi eyeckr. Good to hear from you again. I have several Ichang lemon trees that I grew fro seeds from a lemon you gave me several years ago at the SE citrus expo in Myrtle Beach. Several in ground are 5 ft tall or more and were protected in a high tunnel for the past few years. They look pretty rough this year ironically enough with the warm winter we had. Totally defoliated with some dead branches. I loved the fruit, but at this point doubt that it will be cold hardy enough here when/if they get to big to cover. Don't think I'll be able to cover them next winter. I had a swingle citrumelo but it died in the polar vortex a few years ago. I have some dunsta citrumelo trees, again from one of your fruits, that have survived the past two winters in ground with no protection at all with some leaves still hanging on. I just figured Ichang papeda would be even more hardy than citranges, similar to PT. From what I've read, papeda is supposed to be full of seeds, no?

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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2017, 10:20:06 AM »
Sorry to hear about losing your Swingle. I believe Ichang Papeda is supposed to have seeds but mine does not. If you never got a (Clem x Tri) x Clem or Tai Tri hybrid from me it may be a couple of good ones for you to try there. They both have handled extended freezing and low temps very well and fruit just about every year.

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Re: Ichang Papeda search.
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2017, 07:55:36 PM »
Yes. Clem x tri is a citrandarin, no? I need to try a mandarin- trifoliate hybrid. Should be pretty hardy.

 

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