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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: fruitlovers on February 23, 2012, 01:34:02 AM
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Here is a photo of a fruit i grew from seeds originally from Jim West in Ecuador. He sent them to me as Chrysophyllum auratum, but on a later visit to my place told me he wasn't sure if that was correct latin name. It seems it doesn't match description in the Pennington sapotaceae monograph (Flora Neotropica), but then again none of the other species match either. So left this species name for now. Local name of this species in Venezuela is caimito dulce, sweet starapple. And it is indeed very sweet. The fruits are a bit smaller than starapple. The fully ripe color is light pink, but can be eaten when greenish yellow. The fruits only contain one seed each. The good thing is that the tree produces fruits much earlier than starapple and the season is a lot longer. The tree seems slower growing than starapple though. The tree has an unusual strong musky smell that it radiates, even without brushing up against it. No smell in the fruit. The leaves don't have the velvety bronze color on underside like starapple and are more rounded on tips than starapple. I have a very few seeds if anyone is interested.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/ChrysophyllumAuratumCrossectionScaled.jpg)
Oscar
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Dibs on a few seeds please, I will send you a PM
Thank you so much for the chance to grow these.
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Oscar
I've sent you an email.
Ray
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Oscar, do you know if it can be grafted on caimito?
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I wonder if this is the same as what's known in Vietnam as Vú Sữa Bơ Hồng (http://www.sggp.org.vn/nongnghiepkt/2010/10/239860/), I don't know how to translate that cultivar name. Maybe NEWGEN or DNT can have a crack at it. Google translate is terribly inaccurate for Vietnamese-English.
something completely unrelated, Starapple bonsai, from this link here (http://news.socbay.com/cay_vu_sua_80_tuoi_doat_giai_vang_hoi_hoa_xuan-626182619-167772160.html) ;D
(http://nld.vcmedia.vn/Images/Uploaded/Share/2010/02/13/tao-dan---vu-sua.jpg)
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Oscar, do you know if it can be grafted on caimito?
It can
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Oscar, do you know if it can be grafted on caimito?
Don't know for sure as i've never tried it, but would guess that it can. I've heard that Chrysophylum species are very easy to inter graft. I would be willing to send scions if anyone want to try it?
Oscar
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I wonder if this is the same as what's known in Vietnam as Vú Sữa Bơ Hồng (http://www.sggp.org.vn/nongnghiepkt/2010/10/239860/), I don't know how to translate that cultivar name. Maybe NEWGEN or DNT can have a crack at it. Google translate is terribly inaccurate for Vietnamese-English.
something completely unrelated, Starapple bonsai, from this link here (http://news.socbay.com/cay_vu_sua_80_tuoi_doat_giai_vang_hoi_hoa_xuan-626182619-167772160.html) ;D
(http://nld.vcmedia.vn/Images/Uploaded/Share/2010/02/13/tao-dan---vu-sua.jpg)
Your photo looks like green starapple. Mine is a different species. Green starapple does not turn pink when fully ripe and has several seeds inside. Also starapple has long pointed leaves, photo on mine shows small rounded leaves.
Oscar
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Just realized that your photo is of the bonsai. Anyway this is not a different cultivar of starapple. It is a different species: different leaves, different flowers, different shaped tree.
Never have seen a starapple bonsai here. We have a large japanese population in Hawaii and i go to their bonsai shows. Most common fruit bonsais here are jaboticaba and surinam cherry.
Oscar
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Just realized that your photo is of the bonsai. Anyway this is not a different cultivar of starapple. It is a different species: different leaves, different flowers, different shaped tree.
Never have seen a starapple bonsai here. We have a large japanese population in Hawaii and i go to their bonsai shows. Most common fruit bonsais here are jaboticaba and surinam cherry.
Oscar
Have you ever seen a jaboticaba bonsai hold fruits?
Thanks!
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Just realized that your photo is of the bonsai. Anyway this is not a different cultivar of starapple. It is a different species: different leaves, different flowers, different shaped tree.
Never have seen a starapple bonsai here. We have a large japanese population in Hawaii and i go to their bonsai shows. Most common fruit bonsais here are jaboticaba and surinam cherry.
Oscar
Have you ever seen a jaboticaba bonsai hold fruits?
Thanks!
No. The ones i saw were with no fruits or flowers. But that could just be because was wrong time of year. I think the plants i saw had wide enough caliper to hold fruits.
Oscar
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I find that all bonsai specimens of M. jaboticaba (sabara, most typical variety cultivated here), they don't flower or hold fruit.
The reason is lack of water, due to not enough root mass, and substrate to draw moisture from...bonsai growers don't realize, but this tree could be sat in a deep dish, like an iris, and it would evoke the jaboticaba gods to induce a flowering cycle (i believe).
Have seen the hybrid Red, fruit as a bonsai, and I assume this plant could be a high dollar item, and a welcome adornment to any office desk.
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I find that all bonsai specimens of M. jaboticaba (sabara, most typical variety cultivated here), they don't flower or hold fruit.
The reason is lack of water, due to not enough root mass, and substrate to draw moisture from...bonsai growers don't realize, but this tree could be sat in a deep dish, like an iris, and it would evoke the jaboticaba gods to induce a flowering cycle (i believe).
Have seen the hybrid Red, fruit as a bonsai, and I assume this plant could be a high dollar item, and a welcome adornment to any office desk.
I'll ask next time they have a bonsai show. I know they definitely do get the jaboticaba bonsais to flower, but don't know if they hold fruits or not. Thought you might like this photo:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/JaboticabaBonsai.jpg)
Oscar
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I wonder if this is the same as what's known in Vietnam as Vú Sữa Bơ Hồng, I don't know how to translate that cultivar name. Maybe NEWGEN or DNT can have a crack at it. Google translate is terribly inaccurate for Vietnamese-English.
butter pink breast milk....hahaha yup that's it.
Is the pink referring to the juice color or to the exterior?
Oscar
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Ok thanks DNT. Do you have any photo available?
Oscar
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OK thanks, i looked it up. Very nice looking. Same color as mine, but you can see in this photo that the leaves are regular star apple leaves:
http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&rlz=1C1CHHJ_enUS450US450&biw=1024&bih=634&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=HgKIL9kH_u2wxM:&imgrefurl=http://sivale.vn/cho-nong-nghiep/114376-vu-sua-bo-hong-trai-cay-dac-san-xuat-kha-u.html&docid=TkEfOcnEq1My7M&itg=1&imgurl=http://d.f4.photo.zdn.vn/upload/original/2011/02/17/11/42/12979177461353697763_574_574.jpg&w=400&h=300&ei=Ql1IT7GhKanhiALHsKDcDQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=298&vpy=329&dur=2582&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=96&ty=212&sig=111556920573247311646&page=1&tbnh=140&tbnw=176&start=0&ndsp=14&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0 (http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&rlz=1C1CHHJ_enUS450US450&biw=1024&bih=634&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=HgKIL9kH_u2wxM:&imgrefurl=http://sivale.vn/cho-nong-nghiep/114376-vu-sua-bo-hong-trai-cay-dac-san-xuat-kha-u.html&docid=TkEfOcnEq1My7M&itg=1&imgurl=http://d.f4.photo.zdn.vn/upload/original/2011/02/17/11/42/12979177461353697763_574_574.jpg&w=400&h=300&ei=Ql1IT7GhKanhiALHsKDcDQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=298&vpy=329&dur=2582&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=96&ty=212&sig=111556920573247311646&page=1&tbnh=140&tbnw=176&start=0&ndsp=14&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0)
Very different from plant i have.
Oscar
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Oscar,
Does the fruit taste similar to the star apple or is it much different? The texture in the picture you posted also looks more firm and not as soft as the regular star apple. Is that correct?
I had someone graft the budwood you sent onto regular star apple. I hope they take. Have you or anyone else tried grafting C. auratum onto the C. cainito?
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I have seen a variety of starapples that are green or pink or beige that have been grown from seed.Copper,griml,pink,green,giant green and rose staraplles are names I have heard attributed to them and the fruit photo looks like a copper.
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Oscar,
Does the fruit taste similar to the star apple or is it much different? The texture in the picture you posted also looks more firm and not as soft as the regular star apple. Is that correct?
I had someone graft the budwood you sent onto regular star apple. I hope they take. Have you or anyone else tried grafting C. auratum onto the C. cainito?
Yes it tastes similar, taste i find a bit sweeter than regular starapple. Texture is about the same. Have not tried grafting it onto anything. Doubt anybody else has tried it. Doubt anyone else has it or knows even what it is. We're talking about a brand new introduction.
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I have seen a variety of starapples that are green or pink or beige that have been grown from seed.Copper,griml,pink,green,giant green and rose staraplles are names I have heard attributed to them and the fruit photo looks like a copper.
Mike this is not a starapple, this is a different species of Chrysophyllum (auratum): leaves are different, more rounded in shape and no bronze underside. Also shape of tree is different and seems smaller. Yes there are different colored starapples, but all of them have bronze underside on the leaves, no matter what color the fruit is. BTW, there are very many different species of Chrysophyllum and many are quite good to eat.
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We have lots of the ones without the gold/brown/bronze underside to the leaf. They are still called starapples as they are similar in most ways, but are smaller and pinkish green usually, very nice milky flavour. a real favorite of bats. Most people here just call them pink star apple. May not be the same as the one you have, but certainly no color on the leaf underside. Sometimes leaves are pointed.
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We have lots of the ones without the gold/brown/bronze underside to the leaf. They are still called starapples as they are similar in most ways, but are smaller and pinkish green usually, very nice milky flavour. a real favorite of bats. Most people here just call them pink star apple. May not be the same as the one you have, but certainly no color on the leaf underside. Sometimes leaves are pointed.
Ok, you might call them all starapple, but if they don't have bronze underside on the leaves they are a different species than starapple (cainito). The leaves on this auratum are rounded at the tips and wider than cainito leaves. Also the fruits all have only one seed inside. Usually cainito has 4-8 seeds inside.
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Fruitlovers is absolutely correct and I would not have called it starapple if I had looked at the foliage in the photo.I have no name for it.Some starapples seem to have less colour than others beneath the leaf but not like that.2 or 3 more seeds and the fruit would have looked almost the same as the copper starapple I spoke of earlier.
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Fruitlovers is absolutely correct and I would not have called it starapple if I had looked at the foliage in the photo.I have no name for it.Some starapples seem to have less colour than others beneath the leaf but not like that.2 or 3 more seeds and the fruit would have looked almost the same as the copper starapple I spoke of earlier.
This species i have is unique also in that the whole tree emits a kind of strong smell, don't know how to describe it except mildly skunky. On the positive side it seems to always be flowering and fruiting. I think that unlike starapple this species might be everbearing. Starapple here only fruits in the spring: March-May.
BTW Mike, if you ever find out what other species of Chrysophyllum you have there in Australia i'd be interested to know. Thanks.
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Fruitlovers I am pretty sure there is only starapples here and no congenors with good fruit although I have only had fruitof the copper one.There must be a good deal of phenotypic plasticity and well as a broad genetic base.The giant purple partial seedless one at the kamerunga resaerch station was brought over by horticultural scientists in the 70's.It was much like a very large flattened haitian with only the occasional seen.I don't know its source or if any prgeny survives.
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Fruitlovers I am pretty sure there is only starapples here and no congenors with good fruit although I have only had fruitof the copper one.There must be a good deal of phenotypic plasticity and well as a broad genetic base.The giant purple partial seedless one at the kamerunga resaerch station was brought over by horticultural scientists in the 70's.It was much like a very large flattened haitian with only the occasional seen.I don't know its source or if any prgeny survives.
OK. I thought you said in a previous post that you had starpple like fruits that have leaves with no copper colored underside?
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Fruitlovers you are getting me and BMc mixed up he is about 1100 miles down the road from me in the subtropics.I am the one who said I would not have a name for those without any bronzy colour under the leaves because I don't know that fruit.I also said there is some variation in the depth of this bronzy colour on the underside of the leaves.By here I really mean 15 to 19 latitude on the east coast.
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Fruitlovers you are getting me and BMc mixed up he is about 1100 miles down the road from me in the subtropics.I am the one who said I would not have a name for those without any bronzy colour under the leaves because I don't know that fruit.I also said there is some variation in the depth of this bronzy colour on the underside of the leaves.By here I really mean 15 to 19 latitude on the east coast.
OK Mike thanks for pointing out my confusion. BMc do you have any photos of the pink starapple like fruit with no bronze underside on leaves that you have there?
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Fruitlovers you are getting me and BMc mixed up he is about 1100 miles down the road from me in the subtropics.I am the one who said I would not have a name for those without any bronzy colour under the leaves because I don't know that fruit.I also said there is some variation in the depth of this bronzy colour on the underside of the leaves.By here I really mean 15 to 19 latitude on the east coast.
1100 miles? i thought it was a mere 1000 kms? ;D
I'll try to take some pictures this weekend. I only have seedlings, a few feet tall.
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A feather over 1800km between Our places of residence.Queensland is a big state and it is only another 900km or so from Cairns to the northernmost part of the state.
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Ah, so it is. :-[ I get mixed up in my head. Sydney is 1000k south, Mackay is 1000k north. Thats generally as far as I drive and I always have 1000km stuck in my head. Flying makes it feel much closer!
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I just googled it, road distance from Brisbane to Cairns is 1700 kms. Still a pretty long way! Claimed to be a 4 day drive?
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Last time I drove it, it was over 1800km but as the crow flies may be less.When I was 18 and the road was more windy and longer a friend and I did it in less than a day.It is not possible any more.
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here is a pic of the pink starapple
(http://s1.postimage.org/aadg2rkcb/IMG_4120.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/aadg2rkcb/)
(http://s1.postimage.org/s1p2h7zqz/IMG_4121.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/s1p2h7zqz/)
its not as healthy as it should be as it has been in a pot for too long and has just gone into ground and then gets hit with a few days of 100kph wind gusts. Fruits are small, light pink and green, few seeds and taste like condensed milk crossed with normal star apple. They have a bit of latex, though not so much you'd complain because the flavour makes it worthwhile.
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BMc is that the same as what Peter S has that are supposed to be from the phillipines?He brought some fruit to me a year ago and they were really good and quite unlike other starapples.
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Hey Oscar let me know when you have these available again
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so what exactly is the stink parapple?
is there a botanical name or varietal name?
I wonder if it's more cold tolerant than the common ones?
Edit: Chrysophyllum auratum is the name on Oscar's initial post, is there another one?
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so what exactly is the stink parapple?
is there a botanical name or varietal name?
I wonder if it's more cold tolerant than the common ones?
Edit: Chrysophyllum auratum is the name on Oscar's initial post, is there another one?
Hi Adam, there's a whole ton of species in Chrysophyllum genus. Obviously they are not starapples, but because they look and taste very similar to starapple that is what they are all getting called. You can see latest photo is not C. cainitio because it doesn't have bronze underside on leaves that all cainitos have.
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pulp looks more firm? am I mistaken?
thanks for the good info per usual Oscar.
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Looking at Oscar's initial pix it is the same type I have seen here before.It was called the sink tarpapple here as well or was that the rink aspapple.It looks pretty close to the real starapple considering all the variation in that species.
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Trees I have seen and heard of have been much smaller than normal star apples. Is this your experience too Oscar?
A grower here has one at the back of his house that looks like a regular small sized tree, whereas his Haitian out the front yard is a monster.
Flesh is kind of 'milky' from memory. Maybe a bit firmer than some almost jelly like starapples, but not by that much.
I'm sure its the same as Peter S's trees. He has the full set and is incahoots with others that have it.
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here is a pic of the pink starapple
its not as healthy as it should be as it has been in a pot for too long and has just gone into ground and then gets hit with a few days of 100kph wind gusts. Fruits are small, light pink and green, few seeds and taste like condensed milk crossed with normal star apple. They have a bit of latex, though not so much you'd complain because the flavour makes it worthwhile.
Your description makes it sound much better than the regular star apple. Is your tree grafted or a seedling?
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Trees I have seen and heard of have been much smaller than normal star apples. Is this your experience too Oscar?
A grower here has one at the back of his house that looks like a regular small sized tree, whereas his Haitian out the front yard is a monster.
Flesh is kind of 'milky' from memory. Maybe a bit firmer than some almost jelly like starapples, but not by that much.
I'm sure its the same as Peter S's trees. He has the full set and is incahoots with others that have it.
Not sure if the tree will be smaller when full grown. But it does seem a lot slower growing than regular starapple. On the plus side the pink fruited one is flowering and fruiting almost all year long, whereas regular starapple here has a distinct season (spring). The fruit of the pink is smaller but sweeter, and the fruits usually only have one seed inside each fruit. The most unusual thing about this species is that the tree gives off a strong smell, kind of skunky, every time you get anywhere close to it.
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what about the stopper car-apple?
anyone have details about that one?
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I have a few seeds of this fruit available now for sale. The tree produced well this year. You can look at the beginning of this thread for a photo and description. The seeds are 5 for $7.50 plus $2.50 shipping anywhere in USA. If you're outside USA please inquire. Note that i don't have these listed on my website as i only have a very few. So if you want them email me and i'll set up payment for you. Thanks,
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Does the fruit have any latex?
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Does the fruit have any latex?
I think all the pouteria genus has latex. If you eat them ripe the amount of latex is not noticeable.
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Very sweet and just one seed, amazing, never knew such a thing existed. Thanks for the great pics. and info. Good job Oscar.
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Even the seeds of this species look different than starapple if you look closely. The shape is different and size a bit bigger. C. auratum is on left and C. cainito (starapple) is on right:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/ChrysophyllumAuratumAndCainitoSeedsScaled.jpg)
BTW i mailed all the seeds requested by everyone, except for Mark, today. Mark's seeds will go out on Tuesday.
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(http://s9.postimg.cc/wsip7tuvv/DSCF5090.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/wsip7tuvv/)
Oscar you have me curious about some of the odd 'starapples' I have seen around. The one in this picture had a little color beneath the leaves and the fruit had 2 or 3 seeds from memory.
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Mike, that starapple looks a lot bigger than the pink ones i have. I'm guessing from your description of the leaf that your fruit is regular C. cainito. The C. auratum i have has no bronze coloring on underside and the leaves are wider and rounder than those of C. cainito. I'll try to do a leaf comparison shot. Also it's looking like the C. auratum tree will be a lot smaller tree than the starapple. Every single fruit i've opened of auratum so far has only one seed inside.
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Oscar yes I am sure you are correct and I have no pictures of smaller ones or those trees with green under the leaves. C.auratum probably is not here but there is something else that is quite different from the normal starapples.
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Oscar you have mail.
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Here is a comparison photo of leaves and fruits of C. auratum next to my giant purple starapple. As you can see size, shape, and especially underside color of leaves is very different:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/ChrysophyllumAuratumAndCainitoFruitAndLeafComparison copy.jpg)
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Oscar put me for some seeds please!
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Oscar,
Thought you might be interested in this: http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full (http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full)
You may have already seen this article, but it seems to support the conclusion that what you have is C.argenteum ssp. auratum, a subspecies apparently found in Ecuador, where Jim West lives.
This subspecies of C. argenteum is described as follows: "the fruits are single-seeded, and the abaxial leaf surface [is] ... sericeous with golden hairs (subsp. auratum)"
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Oscar,
Thought you might be interested in this: http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full (http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full)
You may have already seen this article, but it seems to support the conclusion that what you have is C.argenteum ssp. auratum, a subspecies apparently found in Ecuador, where Jim West lives.
This subspecies of C. argenteum is described as follows: "the fruits are single-seeded, and the abaxial leaf surface [is] ... sericeous with golden hairs (subsp. auratum)"
Thanks, i hadn't seen that. Do have the Pennington monograph on Sapotaceae and looked it up there. Doesn't fit 100% the description there given of auratum, but close enough that it's probably just a variation of auratum. Yes collected in Ecuador, so that part fits. West told me in personal conversation he's not certain it is auratum, but we can't figure out what else it would be.
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Oscar put me for some seeds please!
How many do you want?
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Oscar, do you know germination time on these? I planted ten seeds back in late June...all rotted except one which has just remained in this little, green, radicle/cotyledon stage...It's in partial sun...
(http://s7.postimg.cc/s54ucedlj/IMG_2247.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s54ucedlj/)
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I received 5 seeds and only one sprouted, the other 4 rotted. Here is a photo of the winner so far. Not sure if I should transplant since the tap root is so long, any ideas? not sure how fragile this plant is.
(http://s10.postimg.cc/71zevkqit/pink.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/71zevkqit/)
(http://s10.postimg.cc/x1m5miclh/pink2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x1m5miclh/)
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I don't think I had any successful ones sprout out :'(. All rotted here I believe.
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Oscar,
Can you pm price of seeds and deliver charge.
Regards,
Berns
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I received 5 seeds and only one sprouted, the other 4 rotted. Here is a photo of the winner so far. Not sure if I should transplant since the tap root is so long, any ideas? not sure how fragile this plant is. Actualy had 2 make it, one I gave to Rtreid.
(http://s10.postimg.cc/71zevkqit/pink.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/71zevkqit/)
(http://s10.postimg.cc/x1m5miclh/pink2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x1m5miclh/)
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fruitlovers, do you have anymore seeds of this star fruit. i would really like some.
thanks
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fruitlovers, do you have anymore seeds of this star fruit. i would really like some.
thanks
I have a few from same batch i sent to you guys, and they are all sprouting inside the zip lock bag with vermiculite. If you want some sprouted seeds Eduardo can send you those.
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Oscar, do you think germinated seeds would have good chances to survive? I don't have good experiences with germinated seeds...
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sent you a pm oscar
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After some digging it appears that a really good line of C.auratum is here in Australia.It has fruit a little larger than the one in the picture from Oscar and has only one seed per fruit. The variety goes by the name Juicy pearl.
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After some digging it appears that a really good line of C.auratum is here in Australia.It has fruit a little larger than the one in the picture from Oscar and has only one seed per fruit. The variety goes by the name Juicy pearl.
Photos please. Size is dependent on quantity of fert. This tree of mine has been getting little fert, mostly on automatic pilot, ie lots of neglect.
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Oscar I will do my best to get pix.As you know there are 5 subspecies of C.auratum and these are quite variable with 3 subspecies having fruit with a single seed and the other 2 having more than one seed.They are very closely related to common starapples.
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http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full (http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full)
When you google this species there seems to be a bit of diversity in the fruit.
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Oscar I will do my best to get pix.As you know there are 5 subspecies of C.auratum and these are quite variable with 3 subspecies having fruit with a single seed and the other 2 having more than one seed.They are very closely related to common starapples.
I read an online scientific paper stating that C. auratum is probably wild ancestor of common starapple. Would be great if you can get photos of some of the different subspecies. These are all mentioned in the Sapotaceae monograph of Pennington.
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I'll try to post pics of the fruit from ones here as well. I think they may be seedlings of the ones in NQ Mike.
Mine is super slow growing! Looking more like a multi stemmed shrub at the moment.
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The Petersen paper is one I posted below. Wild star apples and domestic ones seem to be a bit different and I am not sure if the paper indicates domestic ones have some C.auratum blood (sap).From what I understand there is only rainforest pearl here for sure and Oscar's is one of the other 4 subspecies. The other varieties I mentioned are just improved green or gold star apples.
A difference between the species mentioned in the Peterson paper is that wild star apples are a rainforest to edge canopy tree and C.auratum is smaller not reaching the canopy even when in rainforest.
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The Petersen paper is one I posted below. Wild star apples and domestic ones seem to be a bit different and I am not sure if the paper indicates domestic ones have some C.auratum blood (sap).From what I understand there is only rainforest pearl here for sure and Oscar's is one of the other 4 subspecies. The other varieties I mentioned are just improved green or gold star apples.
A difference between the species mentioned in the Peterson paper is that wild star apples are a rainforest to edge canopy tree and C.auratum is smaller not reaching the canopy even when in rainforest.
Paper posted below where?
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http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full (http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full)
Oscar here it is again. Look below at the post prior to you saying "I read an online scientific paper". Maybe some posts don't show up for some observers.
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http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full (http://www.amjbot.org/content/99/3/585.full)
Oscar here it is again. Look below at the post prior to you saying "I read an online scientific paper". Maybe some posts don't show up for some observers.
Thanks Mike. That was the paper i was recalling. Here is main part:
Conclusions: Chrysophyllum cainito is most closely related to a clade containing Central and South American C. argenteum, including subsp. panamense. We hypothesize that caimito is native to southern Mesoamerica and was domesticated from multiple wild populations in Panama. Subsequent migration into northern Mesoamerica and the Antilles was mediated by human cultivation.
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That is a key part of the article if the origin of star apples is the question being investigated .Your one I presume is C.argenteum subs, auratum and the pearl here is another subspecies of C.argenteum.
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Hi Oscar,
By any chance that you will have some seeds available? I've been looking for this variety for years!!
Thanks... ~Daisy
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Hi Oscar,
By any chance that you will have some seeds available? I've been looking for this variety for years!!
Thanks... ~Daisy
Been challenging keeping up with orders because each fruit has only one seed. But if you want only a few seeds i should be able to get them to you in about a month or so.
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Hi Oscar,
How old is the tree and at what age does it start to bear
fruit? I read somewhere in this thread it doesnt have a season and bear all year round.is it true?the skin looks thinner than chrysophyllum cainito and appears to have more flesh based on the image you posted.really amazes me the fruit flies dont attack those fruits
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Hi Oscar,
How old is the tree and at what age does it start to bear
fruit? I read somewhere in this thread it doesnt have a season and bear all year round.is it true?the skin looks thinner than chrysophyllum cainito and appears to have more flesh based on the image you posted.really amazes me the fruit flies dont attack those fruits
Now the tree is about 14 years old. It started fruiting when about 6 years. I would say it is fruiting about 9 months of the year.
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is it as cold sensitive as the starapple?
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Hi Oscar,
How old is the tree and at what age does it start to bear
fruit? I read somewhere in this thread it doesnt have a season and bear all year round.is it true?the skin looks thinner than chrysophyllum cainito and appears to have more flesh based on the image you posted.really amazes me the fruit flies dont attack those fruits
Now the tree is about 14 years old. It started fruiting when about 6 years. I would say it is fruiting about 9 months of the year.
For real!Thats almost year round fruiting.Star apples are rare in malaysia btw and its a seasonal fruit here.This fruit that you have here could be popular in the future since it is very productive and taste like star apple.Does it have a thick rind or thin rind? From the picture it looks thin like sappodilla or abiu skin.I prefer to plant fruits with thick rind due to oriental fruit fly infestation.I just chopped my sapodilla tree due to the fruit infected with maggots
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is it as cold sensitive as the starapple?
Don't know.
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Hi Oscar,
How old is the tree and at what age does it start to bear
fruit? I read somewhere in this thread it doesnt have a season and bear all year round.is it true?the skin looks thinner than chrysophyllum cainito and appears to have more flesh based on the image you posted.really amazes me the fruit flies dont attack those fruits
Now the tree is about 14 years old. It started fruiting when about 6 years. I would say it is fruiting about 9 months of the year.
For real!Thats almost year round fruiting.Star apples are rare in malaysia btw and its a seasonal fruit here.This fruit that you have here could be popular in the future since it is very productive and taste like star apple.Does it have a thick rind or thin rind? From the picture it looks thin like sappodilla or abiu skin.I prefer to plant fruits with thick rind due to oriental fruit fly infestation.I just chopped my sapodilla tree due to the fruit infected with maggots
Starapples fruit here also only 2-3 months out of the year. We have oriental fruit fly and never seen them on this fruit, unless they are cracked, even though it is thin skinned.
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Hi Oscar,
How old is the tree and at what age does it start to bear
fruit? I read somewhere in this thread it doesnt have a season and bear all year round.is it true?the skin looks thinner than chrysophyllum cainito and appears to have more flesh based on the image you posted.really amazes me the fruit flies dont attack those fruits
Now the tree is about 14 years old. It started fruiting when about 6 years. I would say it is fruiting about 9 months of the year.
For real!Thats almost year round fruiting.Star apples are rare in malaysia btw and its a seasonal fruit here.This fruit that you have here could be popular in the future since it is very productive and taste like star apple.Does it have a thick rind or thin rind? From the picture it looks thin like sappodilla or abiu skin.I prefer to plant fruits with thick rind due to oriental fruit fly infestation.I just chopped my sapodilla tree due to the fruit infected with maggots
Starapples fruit here also only 2-3 months out of the year. We have oriental fruit fly and never seen them on this fruit, unless they are cracked, even though it is thin skinned.
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Why on earth was this fruit never became popular?its a shame no effort is being made to popularize it.should it made its way to vietnam or the Philippines its going to be hugely popular.those two nation love caimitos.one of the most popular fruit there
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I received 5 seeds and only one sprouted, the other 4 rotted. Here is a photo of the winner so far. Not sure if I should transplant since the tap root is so long, any ideas? not sure how fragile this plant is.
(http://s10.postimg.cc/71zevkqit/pink.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/71zevkqit/)
(http://s10.postimg.cc/x1m5miclh/pink2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/x1m5miclh/)
Any update on the tree now? How big is the tree as of today?
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Found something on the net and just want to share.Apart from subspecies panamensis and auratum there is also another subspecies called nitidum.According to this site it grows to a height of 7 metres
https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i
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Found something on the net and just want to share.Apart from subspecies panamensis and auratum there is also another subspecies called nitidum.According to this site it grows to a height of 7 metres
https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i (https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i)
There are dozens of species in the genus Chrysophyllum. This taxonomy site lists 89 accepted species names: http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Sapotaceae/Chrysophyllum/y (http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Sapotaceae/Chrysophyllum/y)
and i believe they are all edible.
Another species i recently got is C. venezuelanensis. Apparently this one has to be cooked first to be palatable.
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Found something on the net and just want to share.Apart from subspecies panamensis and auratum there is also another subspecies called nitidum.According to this site it grows to a height of 7 metres
https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i (https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i)
There are dozens of species in the genus Chrysophyllum. This taxonomy site lists 89 accepted species names: http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Sapotaceae/Chrysophyllum/y (http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Sapotaceae/Chrysophyllum/y)
and i believe they are all edible.
Another species i recently got is C. venezuelanensis. Apparently this one has to be cooked first to be palatable.
Are there any seeds available now?
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Found something on the net and just want to share.Apart from subspecies panamensis and auratum there is also another subspecies called nitidum.According to this site it grows to a height of 7 metres
https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i (https://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/1178-ichrysophyllum_argenteum_i)
There are dozens of species in the genus Chrysophyllum. This taxonomy site lists 89 accepted species names: http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Sapotaceae/Chrysophyllum/y (http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Sapotaceae/Chrysophyllum/y)
and i believe they are all edible.
Another species i recently got is C. venezuelanensis. Apparently this one has to be cooked first to be palatable.
Are there any seeds available now?
Not right now. Maybe in a couple of months.
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I suppose by couple of months it will be available in January ? Well I will wait then
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Are there fruits now and how tall is the tree now?
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Looking for some advice on a Chrysophyllum auratum tree. I've had this tree in the ground for around 4 years and it has been flowering non-stop over the last 6 months but has yet to set any fruit. Does anyone who has experience growing this know if C. Auratum is self pollinating or not? The tree is really healthy and I'm pretty certain its C. Auratum based on the appearance of leaf and musky smell. Some photos of the tree and flowers below.
(https://i.imgur.com/Kg7IkHel.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BttSB2gl.jpg)
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Yes that looks just like mine. Yes it is self pollinating. You might be missing the correct insect pollinator? You could try hand pollination. You could also try giving it a shot of high phossphorous and potassium fertilizer.
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Yes that looks just like mine. Yes it is self pollinating. You might be missing the correct insect pollinator? You could try hand pollination. You could also try giving it a shot of high phossphorous and potassium fertilizer.
I have tried to hand pollinate (with a thin paintbrush) but with no success. The flowers have no scent (although the leaves have that really strong skunk smell). I have not seen any insects attracted to the flowers. Also there seems to be almost no pollen in the flowers (although they are so tiny and its hard to tell). I will try the fertilizer you suggest. Thanks for your reply!
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Yes that looks just like mine. Yes it is self pollinating. You might be missing the correct insect pollinator? You could try hand pollination. You could also try giving it a shot of high phossphorous and potassium fertilizer.
I have tried to hand pollinate (with a thin paintbrush) but with no success. The flowers have no scent (although the leaves have that really strong skunk smell). I have not seen any insects attracted to the flowers. Also there seems to be almost no pollen in the flowers (although they are so tiny and its hard to tell). I will try the fertilizer you suggest. Thanks for your reply!
You got the seeds from me? My guess is that the tree is just to young to hold fruit. But fertilizing it will help speed things up. You're in Hawaii i now see, so you should have the right pollinators.
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Oscar, what time of the year are the seeds available?
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Some Caimito trees are not self fertile. That may be the issue here.
Yes that looks just like mine. Yes it is self pollinating. You might be missing the correct insect pollinator? You could try hand pollination. You could also try giving it a shot of high phossphorous and potassium fertilizer.
I have tried to hand pollinate (with a thin paintbrush) but with no success. The flowers have no scent (although the leaves have that really strong skunk smell). I have not seen any insects attracted to the flowers. Also there seems to be almost no pollen in the flowers (although they are so tiny and its hard to tell). I will try the fertilizer you suggest. Thanks for your reply!
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Oscar, what time of the year are the seeds available?
Tree has small fruits on it now. So guessing there should be seeds available starting in about 2-3 months.
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With many trees, Calcium and Boron and Zinc are also important for fruit set and retention.
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Have seeds available right now. If interested please PM me.
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Brazilian rare species
« on: February 27, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
Chrysophyllum sp (Guapeva branca) - Sapotaceae - 4,00
Very sweet. Excellent flavor
growing this sp any info
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Brazilian rare species
« on: February 27, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
Chrysophyllum sp (Guapeva branca) - Sapotaceae - 4,00
Very sweet. Excellent flavor
growing this sp any info
Where did you get that info? It's possible that it is the same species, which is native to much of the northern part of South America, including Brazil.
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Brazilian rare species
« on: February 27, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
Chrysophyllum sp (Guapeva branca) - Sapotaceae - 4,00
Very sweet. Excellent flavor
growing this sp any info
Where did you get that info? It's possible that it is the same species, which is native to much of the northern part of South America, including Brazil.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=22854.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=22854.0)
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Brazilian rare species
« on: February 27, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
Chrysophyllum sp (Guapeva branca) - Sapotaceae - 4,00
Very sweet. Excellent flavor
growing this sp any info
Where did you get that info? It's possible that it is the same species, which is native to much of the northern part of South America, including Brazil.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=22854.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=22854.0)
That is definitely a different species. The fruits on that page look completely different than the photo i posted.
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The plant is slow but steady with leaves similar to or abiu but leaves are little more broad at the tip don't seem bothered by are winters.
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Hi Oscar, just a revisit to this subject since I got a single tree of the species (from Jim) growing back in Uganda. Was it proper identified?