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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Bark Grafting
« on: February 09, 2024, 06:33:07 PM »
Post some pictures of the grafts, I am sure others would be interested. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Bark Grafting
« on: February 09, 2024, 04:10:40 PM »
Another thing lots people are asking for is really thick avocado scion wood.  Scionwood is not really something you can pick based on size.  You want scionwood that has good buds on it and that is typically on the small new growth.  By the time the branches get thicker, the buds have already pushed and made new sub branches.  Some varieties have much better bud wood than other.  Nabal always has tons of buds and big branches.  Reed on the other hand has thinner more weepy growth and scion wood is thin.  GEM is also another smaller size scion.  This is just depends on how that particular variety grows.  It's kind of up to the tree, what size the best bud wood will be.  The more vigorous and upright the type, the best the scionwood is.  The weak droopy trees are harder to get good size scion wood from. 

If you can master your grafting skill, the size of the scion becomes kind of irrelevant.  You can graft mismatched sized wood without problems if you know what tyoe of graft to make and when to prepare for and execute the graft work. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Avocado Bark Grafting
« on: February 09, 2024, 03:40:45 PM »
Theres been a lot of people asking me for scion wood to do bark grafting of avocado trees lately.  Its not just 1 or or 2, its 5 or more people all wanting to do this in February.  Im telling everyone the bark will not slip right now.  You can do cleft grafts but I don't think the bark grafts will work out.  Thats why I have been doing this grafting work in December.  The trees still have sap flow and can be bark grafted.  Thats working quite well the last few years. 

I'm just putting this here so people can understand the best timing for doing avocado grafting and top working. 

If you want to stump a large tree, the best time to do that is mid summer.  It takes 2-3 months and you will have plenty of new growth to graft onto in December-April.  That would be small cleft grafts. 

If you want to top work a tree with 1-2inch diameter branches or main trunk, you can cut it back in early december (in southern CA) the sap will still be flowing and bark will peel off and be able to do bark grafts.  Or you can wait until it warms up again and do it in maybe April.  By that time, the grafts will be seeing a lot more heat and will be hard to get good takes if you live in a hot interior area.  If its a mild coastal area, spring and even summer grafting is not a problem.  Just shade the grafts until well healed and thry are fine.

If you want to do cleft grafts, of course the timing is not critical.  It is just getting the stumping and bark graft timing down that is more important.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seed grown cherimoya from Rincon Tropics
« on: February 08, 2024, 11:04:37 PM »
To get your tree to brqnch, you can cut it way down like you did then strip off the leaves below the topping point.  The new buds come from under the leaf petiole and need to be stripped to make new branches.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 60 Lbs of KNO3
« on: February 07, 2024, 02:54:14 PM »
desert rose doesn't like much fertilizer.  you could put a pinch in bit of water and use it but don't use much they get messed up.

the potassium nitrate is pretty strong.  You should try using a small amount spread out over several waterings. I would try disolving it and watering with it every month and see how it goes.  you want to spread it out over space and time, thats why i'm saying disolve it and spread it around vs putting a bunch in 1 spot.  don't over do it, more is not always better.

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A couple things about doing it that way.  The cherimoya tree gets pretty large before fruiting.  Like 10ftx10ft with a 6in+ trunk.  And at this point they are a lot more difficult to top work than say an avocado.  They dont like to be stumped when they are this large size.  They can but it seems to generate new suckers from the ground and the old stump can die off.  Just something to keep in mind.  The variety change over on these trees is sort of a pain.  I have several i need to do and theres not a great way to do it. 

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I think Dr white is the most hardy and prolific and vigorous.  The smooth skin types are not as tough.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need Help to ID This Atemoya
« on: February 05, 2024, 03:09:04 PM »
The one in the bottom photo looks like AP and also the dark sports around the seeds like seng said. 

Those fruit will get sweeter if left longer.  AP turn slightly yellowish and get sticky on the outside when it's really ripe. 

The LM3 is a better atemoya Kaz.  I wouldn't bother growing AP.  Either regular cherimoya or LM3 are better fruits. Personally I think cherimoya is a lot better than atemoya.  Not so chewy and cleaner flavors.  A pierce, honeyhart, Inca red, are all going to blow these atemoyas away. 

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I do have a SB peach tree grafted from scions you sent but it is just hitting maturity now and may make fruit this year.  It was grafted on a small rootstock and is still smallish size. 


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I have a manualmjuicer I want to sell if you want to buy one cheap.  I bought a motorized one and dont use the manualmone anymore.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Avocado Scions type b only
« on: January 28, 2024, 08:54:09 PM »
Send me a message and we can work it out.  I have one called Hellen that is a good one that is also a B type. 

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Avocado Scions type b only
« on: January 28, 2024, 07:14:11 PM »
I have some sharwils if you want.  Not sure what others are type B.  Maybe reed.  I have lots of reed, sharwil, nabal.  I know sharwil is a B and reed and nabal may be? 

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Yes sure i have them

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Duke avocado scions
« on: January 28, 2024, 07:11:49 PM »
Seems like you already know what you need to do. 

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Dr white cherimoyas
« on: January 27, 2024, 07:48:54 PM »
Sold out.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Dr white cherimoyas
« on: January 27, 2024, 03:12:25 PM »
I just have a little extra cherimoyas that Im looking to sell.  Just a couple boxes worth.  Its Dr white fruits.  7$ per pound.  I only am shipping to CA unless you want to pay for expedited shipping outside of CA.  The reason is just so the fruit make it there in good shape. 

If I dont respond to your PM, I am already sold out. 

Thanks!



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How Brad grew his avocado grove
« on: January 22, 2024, 01:57:36 PM »
Another observation is the take rate on the bark grafts is higher than the clefts.  It seems like it would not be the case but i can get close to 100% with the bark grafts.  I think just because theres no posibility to not get good cambium connections.  I did not have such good results with other types of trees doing this graft but for avocados it seems to be giving near perfect results. 

And another observation is that it is best to put the graft on the side of the tree that matches the prevailing winds.  For example, here the wind (usually) blow west -> east.  So the graft should be placed on the west side of the tree so it blows the graft towards the trunk not way from it causing it to seperate. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How Brad grew his avocado grove
« on: January 22, 2024, 01:34:24 PM »
One thing I found was that if I grafted onto the rooststock when they were pencil size, the whole process ended up taking a lot longer.  Generally speaking the roostocks grow a lot faster than they would if they were grafted.  The seedling trees are usually pretty vigorous and also they never spend any energy flowering.  They just develop their roots and canopy and don't ever flower (at early age). 

Most peoples' instinct seems to be graft the tree at the small stage.  But really letting the trees get larger seems to produce a better result.  I was grafting the smaller size trees in the ground at first and doing so really set back the development of the trees.  Unless the grafted variety was extremly vigorous then it could power through this stage of early development.  But the only variety i found that was as vigorous or more vigorous than the roostocks was Nabal.  For all other varieties, doing the grfting at pencil size considerably slowed the whole process.

Now I realize people may be grafting trees in pots so they can be sold or moved to other locations etc, or maybe your location requires a greenhouse.  That is pefectly fine and makes sense.  But if your plan is to put the tree in the ground at your location, and you live in an area where all of this is being done not in a greenhouse then it can really accelerate the timeline if you put the seedlings into the ground and let them go for a year or 2 and get some roots going and some substantial canopy before grafting.  A happy (in good soil/location etc) tree in the earth is going to easily outperform a tree stuck in a 5 gallon pot. 

Another interesting thing I found is that all varieties of grafted avocado would flower within 1-2 years of grafting.  Except for Nabal.  I have around 8 or 9 grafted nabal trees and none of them flower until they are around 10 ft tall and 3-4 years old.  This is the only variety I have seen that needs to get to a critical mass before it willmstart to flower.  Its also the most vigorous of any types grown here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How Brad grew his avocado grove
« on: January 21, 2024, 09:09:59 PM »
I've got it down to a science guys.  I know it looks scary but the grafts are going to take and come back super fast.  Those grafts from 6 weeks ago are starting to pop through the grafting tape now.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Illama germination
« on: January 21, 2024, 01:33:54 PM »
Tonmake the seeds sprout use a heat mat and keep them wet.  Thats all I know. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bark Grafting on Avocado Trees
« on: January 18, 2024, 04:20:26 PM »
The bark won't slip until the tree is actively growing after winter ends.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya seeds
« on: January 16, 2024, 09:31:15 PM »
Theres more cherimoya seeds if anyone wants any.  The person who ordered the large quantity, your order is shipping tomorrow.


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Need buddy tape
« on: January 15, 2024, 12:29:18 AM »
What is OGW? 


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Need buddy tape
« on: January 14, 2024, 11:14:21 PM »
Ok guys thanks.  I will get one in the US dadloring.  Thank you for the offer!

AM leonard is a good shop, I have bought from them before.  Thank you

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Need buddy tape
« on: January 14, 2024, 09:43:39 PM »
I need a roll of buddy tape if anyone has one to sell. 

Thank you

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