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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: bovine421 on July 25, 2020, 02:08:10 PM
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California mango Growers have wet Winters and dry Summers which seems to be immensely challenging. My question is are their mangos more intensely flavored than Florida's mangos? A comment was made that the earlier Florida mangoes are more intensely flavored than the later ones which are washed out. So would a LZ from Cali be Sublime!!!
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Depends on who you ask (people tend to be very opinionated) and who is growing them. Their season is different than ours. They have different disease issues than we do (no MBBS but they can have a PM issue and they cannot grow on Turpentine rootstock for the most part).
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California grown mango is basically a mirage in that , how many people grow Mango’s to fruition in CA ? Versus Florida. There is more Mango’s on the ground at Fruit and Spice Park on a day in July than the entirety of the CA mango harvest. If you can succeed fruiting Mango in CA it’s definitely going to taste that much sweeter.
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We haven't heard from MangoFang in Palm Springs in more than two years, but he seemed to always describe his mangos as intensely flavored. I believe his LZs were sublime. Makes sense--the dry, desert heat.
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We haven't heard from MangoFang in Palm Springs in more than two years, but he seemed to always describe his mangos as intensely flavored. I believe his LZs were sublime. Makes sense--the dry, desert heat.
Hence my comment about opinionated. Did you ever hear anyone say they had a crop of lousy, inedible mangoes (or any other fruit for that matter)?
There are some excellent mangoes grown in the San Diego area and the quality has been confirmed by a South Floridian who's opinion would be extremely well accepted (no, its not me lol). The harvest is however somewhat inconsistent due to the variability of the Cali climate.
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And yes, it's MangoFang rising from the dead! So, be careful lumping all So Cal growing zones into the LA/SanDiego coastal area. I live out in Palm Springs and this desert climate is completely diff. than the coasts. We have 6.5 inches of rain per year, 95% of which falls from like November thru March, and daily average summer temperatures of 108, supplemental water is essential. As far as flavor, I think the dry heat might help the taste, but really hard to compare as BS said. There are two working mango orchards out here in the Eastern Coachella Valley that drive their produce into Los Angeles to sell at Farmer's markets so mangoes will grow here. I had 160 mangoes last year at my house on about 8 trees.......
Nice to see the Forum is still a booming success.
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But your LZs are sublime, aren't they, Gary??
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And yes, it's MangoFang rising from the dead! So, be careful lumping all So Cal growing zones into the LA/SanDiego coastal area. I live out in Palm Springs and this desert climate is completely diff. than the coasts. We have 6.5 inches of rain per year, 95% of which falls from like November thru March, and daily average summer temperatures of 108, supplemental water is essential. As far as flavor, I think the dry heat might help the taste, but really hard to compare as BS said. There are two working mango orchards out here in the Eastern Coachella Valley that drive their produce into Los Angeles to sell at Farmer's markets so mangoes will grow here. I had 160 mangoes last year at my house on about 8 trees.......
Nice to see the Forum is still a booming success.
I read an article about that area a long time back about spraying tree trunks of small trees with white latex paint/water mix until the foliage is developed enough to provide shade and if i remember right they also sprayed the bigger tree's leaves with some reflective white stuff not sure what? i can't find the article again. :(
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SoCal and Florida mangos are girly man mangoes, they don't even look purty. :P Not as purty as those grown in Texas. ;D
Season started about 2 weeks ago for me. So far Glenn has been the richest and then Pickering. I forgot how much Lemon Zest tastes like lemon! Cut one and the juice drips too. My mangos are eyes closed OMG quality......as good as the ones I've had from Florida commercial fruit growers if not better. Only bad mangos are store bought mangos.
More varieties to come - Orange Sherbet, Pineapple Pleasure, etc. PP are HUGE.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mctYCjsm/Lemon-Zest-July24.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mctYCjsm)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G48LwTJ4/Pickering-Fruit-July16.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G48LwTJ4)
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I read an article about that area a long time back about spraying tree trunks of small trees with white latex paint/water mix until the foliage is developed enough to provide shade and if i remember right they also sprayed the bigger tree's leaves with some reflective white stuff not sure what? i can't find the article again. :(
Nothing beats the effectiveness and ease of application than Surround WP for shading and organic pest control. It's sprayable white kaolin powder.
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I read an article about that area a long time back about spraying tree trunks of small trees with white latex paint/water mix until the foliage is developed enough to provide shade and if i remember right they also sprayed the bigger tree's leaves with some reflective white stuff not sure what? i can't find the article again. :(
Nothing beats the effectiveness and ease of application than Surround WP for shading and organic pest control. It's sprayable white kaolin powder.
I could not find article but i did find this video. I find this very interesting! My brother lives in Corona Ca he claims that he would need jackhammer to plant a tree! I plan on sending his wife a mango tree.Reason she will make him plant it and if it die's he will be punished!!! ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5YGSSYCtoU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5YGSSYCtoU)
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SoCal and Florida mangos are girly man mangoes, they don't even look purty. :P Not as purty as those grown in Texas. ;D
Season started about 2 weeks ago for me. So far Glenn has been the richest and then Pickering. I forgot how much Lemon Zest tastes like lemon! Cut one and the juice drips too. My mangos are eyes closed OMG quality......as good as the ones I've had from Florida commercial fruit growers if not better. Only bad mangos are store bought mangos.
More varieties to come - Orange Sherbet, Pineapple Pleasure, etc. PP are HUGE.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mctYCjsm/Lemon-Zest-July24.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mctYCjsm)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G48LwTJ4/Pickering-Fruit-July16.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G48LwTJ4)
Mark i threw a softball to the Cali cool kids so they could boost but none have taken a swing.You my friend are very proud of your mango's so i will give you this award!!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/jL1Qfm1B/roster.gif) (https://postimg.cc/jL1Qfm1B)
My intent was to get a reaction from the Fla boyz! To stir the pot :)
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So Mark is showing his Texas grown mangoes that are grown in a GREENHOUSE.
Here are some mangoes griwn in Florida on trees that are planted in the ground with no greenhouse
Mahachanok
(https://i.postimg.cc/4YZcJHhJ/20170603-225606.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YZcJHhJ)
Taralay
(https://i.postimg.cc/crGgmthQ/20170511-234253.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crGgmthQ)
E4
(https://i.postimg.cc/LYCdsPsG/20160727-223943.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LYCdsPsG)
Providence
(https://i.postimg.cc/v4LNBnqX/20160725-223338.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v4LNBnqX)
Karen Michelle
(https://i.postimg.cc/bZ39W9FX/20150716-214539.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZ39W9FX)
Cotton Candy
(https://i.postimg.cc/zVjJmywZ/20150725-201827.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zVjJmywZ)
Dupius
(https://i.postimg.cc/kRGLk579/20140608-233856.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kRGLk579)
Sweet Tart
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mvb1hmr6/20150521-220646.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mvb1hmr6)
Lemon Zest
(https://i.postimg.cc/DS11Kkfb/20150529-002726.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DS11Kkfb)
Fruit Cocktail
(https://i.postimg.cc/CzT1pZRm/20180718-212415.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CzT1pZRm)
Aint THEY purdy.
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Wow! Real purdy!
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Wow! Real purdy!
The Dupuis Saigon is beyond purdy! It appears to be Sublime!!!
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Mark i threw a softball to the Cali cool kids so they could boost but none have taken a swing.You my friend are very proud of your mango's so i will give you this award!!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/jL1Qfm1B/roster.gif) (https://postimg.cc/jL1Qfm1B)
My intent was to get a reaction from the Fla boyz! To stir the pot :)
Sorry Bro, we are too busy eating good mango to be crowing. :)
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I’ve had intensely flavored mangos from Florida and California. The quality is highly dependent on the grower and weather conditions, especially taking into consideration the amount of rain received. Although we are significantly dryer here in SoCal, we irrigate frequently to water our trees and some growers over-water and get large fruit but it comes at a cost.
I’ve found that my mangos are sweeter and have more concentrated flavor if I water just enough to keep them healthy. When over watered, my Lemon Zests are around 20-24% Brix. When kept a little thirsty and fertilized appropriately, my LZ get about 25-32%Brix.
Having tasted Florida, SoCal and Gary’s Lemon Zest grown in the deserts of Palm Springs, I would say that the Palm Springs Lemon Zests are the best I have ever had. Gary’s fruit quality is also consistently top tier.
I’ve sampled many LZ mangos from these three locations over multiple years and many of the flavor descriptions and Brix readings have been posted somewhere on this forum.
Simon
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Having tasted Florida, SoCal and Gary’s Lemon Zest grown in the deserts of Palm Springs, I would say that the Palm Springs Lemon Zests are the best I have ever had. Gary’s fruit quality is also consistently top tier.
Simon
That's what I would have guessed.
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Having tasted Florida, SoCal and Gary’s Lemon Zest grown in the deserts of Palm Springs, I would say that the Palm Springs Lemon Zests are the best I have ever had. Gary’s fruit quality is also consistently top tier.
Simon
That's what I would have guessed.
If that is the case I will get my brother who lives in Corona California to grow something other than Kashmir Kush and this pickle tree. ;) ;D
(https://i.postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ/Resized-20200722-061957.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ)
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Having tasted Florida, SoCal and Gary’s Lemon Zest grown in the deserts of Palm Springs, I would say that the Palm Springs Lemon Zests are the best I have ever had. Gary’s fruit quality is also consistently top tier.
Simon
That's what I would have guessed.
If that is the case I will get my brother who lives in Corona California to grow something other than Kashmir Kush and this pickle tree. ;) ;D
(https://i.postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ/Resized-20200722-061957.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ)
WOW! This cactus is very beautifull! What variety is this one? Thank's!
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Having tasted Florida, SoCal and Gary’s Lemon Zest grown in the deserts of Palm Springs, I would say that the Palm Springs Lemon Zests are the best I have ever had. Gary’s fruit quality is also consistently top tier.
Simon
That's what I would have guessed.
If that is the case I will get my brother who lives in Corona California to grow something other than Kashmir Kush and this pickle tree. ;) ;D
(https://i.postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ/Resized-20200722-061957.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ)
WOW! This cactus is very beautifull! What variety is this one? Thank's!
he does not know offhand he got it from a friend who owns an exotic Nursery so given enough time he may be able to find out if so I'll send you a p.m. but I do like his plum tree
(https://i.postimg.cc/1gNs5VK7/received-3002553959870400.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1gNs5VK7)
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Having tasted Florida, SoCal and Gary’s Lemon Zest grown in the deserts of Palm Springs, I would say that the Palm Springs Lemon Zests are the best I have ever had. Gary’s fruit quality is also consistently top tier.
Simon
That's what I would have guessed.
If that is the case I will get my brother who lives in Corona California to grow something other than Kashmir Kush and this pickle tree. ;) ;D
(https://i.postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ/Resized-20200722-061957.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ)
Corona is not in the desert and does not get as hot as Palm Springs, but it does get hot. So, by all means, get your brother to plant some mango trees, and he might be able to supply the family with some sublime Lemon Zests!
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Wongfarms.org finished there "Golden Lady" mango harvest and are now selling Valencia prides all from Mecca, CA coachella valley area. Bought some of the golden ladies and they were super sweet and very fragrant, no tartness though . ..
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Having tasted Florida, SoCal and Gary’s Lemon Zest grown in the deserts of Palm Springs, I would say that the Palm Springs Lemon Zests are the best I have ever had. Gary’s fruit quality is also consistently top tier.
Simon
That's what I would have guessed.
If that is the case I will get my brother who lives in Corona California to grow something other than Kashmir Kush and this pickle tree. ;) ;D
(https://i.postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ/Resized-20200722-061957.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ)
WOW! This cactus is very beautifull! What variety is this one? Thank's!
Peruvian apple cactus. It produces a fruit similar to dragon fruit, but smooth skinned. Very refreshing. I love them.
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Having tasted Florida, SoCal and Gary’s Lemon Zest grown in the deserts of Palm Springs, I would say that the Palm Springs Lemon Zests are the best I have ever had. Gary’s fruit quality is also consistently top tier.
Simon
That's what I would have guessed.
If that is the case I will get my brother who lives in Corona California to grow something other than Kashmir Kush and this pickle tree. ;) ;D
(https://i.postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ/Resized-20200722-061957.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzPxN9cJ)
WOW! This cactus is very beautifull! What variety is this one? Thank's!
Peruvian apple cactus. It produces a fruit similar to dragon fruit, but smooth skinned. Very refreshing. I love them.
Thank you very much!
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Hi Gary
Glad you are doing well, stay safe in the desert. LZ and St are much more intense and flavorful in SoCal than the Florida version I have had.....and I have had dozens of Florida LZ and ST.
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Hi Gary
Glad you are doing well, stay safe in the desert. LZ and St are much more intense and flavorful in SoCal than the Florida version I have had.....and I have had dozens of Florida LZ and ST.
After we beat this virus! I would love to be able to go to The Fruit of the Gods Festival in Palm Springs Californian. Preferably at a nice resort :)
(https://i.postimg.cc/7J06WDDB/mango-pool.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7J06WDDB)
Hey a fellow can dream can't he ;)
by the by i love Halawi and Khadrawy Dates
(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9WxFsBX/2020-07-16.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q9WxFsBX)
Omni Rancho Las Palmas Resort & Spa
The daytime high is 108 degrees holy hot lava Batman please postpone this fictitious Festival in my mind until November during date season I request a dozen LZ Juiced and Frozen waiting my arrival. LOL :)
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Will find out how this Tim Thompson Tequila Sunrise mango tastes this October. Its the 4th year of this tree, and this year, big improvement in the soil, and its growing much better.
I got two or three nice fruits. And I live near the coast in Ventura County.
(https://i.postimg.cc/75Cxd1LK/20200722-095839.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/75Cxd1LK)
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The mangoprofessor seems to have gone offline, anyone know what happened besides having been overwhelmed with orders for a "hobbyist" operation? Some people here, crfg, etc have managed to plant some of his graphs so curious as to how they are doing.
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Will find out how this Tim Thompson Tequila Sunrise mango tastes this October. Its the 4th year of this tree, and this year, big improvement in the soil, and its growing much better.
I got two or three nice fruits. And I live near the coast in Ventura County.
(https://i.postimg.cc/75Cxd1LK/20200722-095839.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/75Cxd1LK)
Flavor was never his primary objective, right? Cold hardiness, disease resistance, and eye appeal were uppermost? The old newspaper accounts said he wanted to bring mango production to the area.
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I did hear though, people did like this mango, and the Gold coast for taste. Was pretty good supposedly. I remember reading somewhere, one person picked it too early, and wasn't very good. However, they let it rippen and picked it later, and was good.
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So Mark is showing his Texas grown mangoes that are grown in a GREENHOUSE.
Here are some mangoes griwn in Florida on trees that are planted in the ground with no greenhouse
Aint THEY purdy.
Speaking of crowing ~
Yes, they are purty. Hell, a monkey with a shovel could plant and grow a decent mango where you live, unless you are an organic purist. In Texas we have challenges you have no clue about.
For starts mine are in the ground and in a system you guys can't begin to match. Nor can you grow good fruit requiring cold chillin'. I grow SoCal avocados too that fail in most places of Florida witness Carlos' wonderful trials, i.e Jan Boyce, Sharwil, Lamb, Pinkerton, Reed....blood oranges and pome fruits that require cold to excel in bottomless RootBuilder. Trees quickly root into native clay loam.
You have this kind of vigor and success BS Man? Here's my Reed cut back to a stump March 2018 after a Jan. 2018 heater failure resulting in a low of 18F as recorded IN the greenhouse. All my mango trees got wiped out but one which now holds Orange Sherbet, Pine. Pleasure and Juicy Peach.
(https://i.postimg.cc/crcsyCX2/Soil-Pot-4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crcsyCX2)
Same Reed 7 months later, October 2018.
(https://i.postimg.cc/S2Vw1Yyf/Reed-Oct28-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/S2Vw1Yyf)
Then there's those damn hurricanes....... ;D
Having said that the only "bad" mango is our store bought mangos.
Glenn, rich and just delish:
(https://i.postimg.cc/F1LyZ5D7/Glenn-July20.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1LyZ5D7)
Grow hard,
Mark
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But your LZs are sublime, aren't they, Gary??
FWIW my LZ's are so rich and sweet the wife can't even finish half of one I serve up, it's just too much for her. Am also fortunate to not have to worry about that bad ass disease Florida is plagued with with LZ.
What's left of LZ and a Sugar pitaya.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5Q4F1TWM/Lemon-Zest-Sugar-July24.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5Q4F1TWM)
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Will find out how this Tim Thompson Tequila Sunrise mango tastes this October. Its the 4th year of this tree, and this year, big improvement in the soil, and its growing much better.
I got two or three nice fruits. And I live near the coast in Ventura County.
(https://i.postimg.cc/75Cxd1LK/20200722-095839.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/75Cxd1LK)
IMO that tree is not ready to hold those fruits. I know it hurts cause you just gotta try it but I'd drop 'em all and concentrate on the root system. Your success is dictated by the quality and mass of the root system......period. Once you get that down pat the rest will follow.
For example, when planting trees in my super tight clay soil I make sure I fracture the glazed sides and bottom with whatever I'm doing - 2' deep subsoiler on a tractor, hand held pick ax, breaker bar, etc. and NEVER amend the backfill in such soils. I always drench the root system with a mychorrizae fungi at the time of planting. FWIW, I have hand planted at least 10,000 trees since I moved to this hay field in 2005.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QVD7p6n3/cypress.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVD7p6n3)
Change gears, speaking of those nasty Texas challenges again. This year it's an epidemic of grasshoppers which have stripped everything in our area..... and mealybugs in the greenhouse. I keep a qt. spray mix of permethrin for the greenhouse. Knocks them dead in 1 minute. Here's a nice crop of bugs enjoying a Pickering. ::) I just wipe them off. They don't hurt the fruit quality.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0zVvH4cw/Pickering-July10.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0zVvH4cw)
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Mark I had a Tick ranch in Green City Missouri that had soil that looked a lot like yours. Will it stick to your boots or your shovel when wet? Do you have any locust trees planted LOL :)
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Mark I had a Tick ranch in Green City Missouri that had soil that looked a lot like yours. Will it stick to your boots or your shovel when wet? Do you have any locust trees planted LOL :)
It's a red clay loam. Sticky and slippery to stand on when wet, hard as concrete when dry. Calcareous but full of minerals. Stuff grows crazy in it if the ground is prepped right.
Locust? No thank you!
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Mark I had a Tick ranch in Green City Missouri that had soil that looked a lot like yours. Will it stick to your boots or your shovel when wet? Do you have any locust trees planted LOL :)
It's a red clay loam. Sticky and slippery to stand on when wet, hard as concrete when dry. Calcareous but full of minerals. Stuff grows crazy in it if the ground is prepped right.
Locust? No thank you!
With clay a little loam is a good thing. I'm glad you're not cursed with the honey locust. With honey locus all you can do with those is cut them off at the ground and spray them with Spike stump killer. Then push them into the waterways and hope you don't get a flat tire on your tractor. After that keep your pastor mowed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LJfYHYtV/images.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJfYHYtV)
ps We only raised Lone Star ticks LOL