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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: FlyingFoxFruits on April 30, 2015, 08:59:18 PM
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Russel's Sweet Garcinia has made it to the USA at last (I'm sure a few other people have them, but very few).
I feel privileged to have this plant in my possession.
I figured I'd make a thread dedicated to this garcinia variety...I plan to document the process of growing this fruit from seed to fruition...and long before the seedlings fruit, I plan to propagate them (grafting onto xanthochymus, or other rootstock)...with some good fortune, I can get started grafting them next year...but depends on how slow they grow.
this is the first seed (of several planted) to germinate.
more to come soon, stay tuned.
(http://s22.postimg.cc/r842ossrx/IMG_1625.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/r842ossrx/)
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Nice, this is going to be a post to watch. Shall we start the line now for the grafted plant? Lol. ;D
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Oh. My. God!
This seems too good to be true. Whenever you get to propagating, I want in 8)
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Congrats Adam, one of the garcinias had my eye on. Grafted plants of this... now you making us spoiled with future plants. I would love to be in the waiting list for a future plant.
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although I can't make any promises (let's not count eggs before they hatch), I'm taking note of requests (on this thread...not via PM or email...too hard to keep track)
I will make sure to take care of friends and forum members before the general public!
another reason to join this forum, and participate in the discussion (rather than lurking)
I'm trying to bring some lurkers out of the shadows. ;)
and I'm also trying to reward those who are the obsessed with rare fruit the most!
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Good job man, Think positive. YOU CAN DO IT ;D
Put me on that list, Cant wait ;D
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What! How dare you Accuse Bob407 of lurking, Him & I are rare annona peeping perverts; your snooty Garcinia doesnt have the bumps to excited us as Luc's Garcinia well define nipple's shadow!😜😝👅. Anyway congratulation for smuggling them in, we watch with envy your trials and tribulations!🌈🌅🌄🍻
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Great work Adam I will be glued to this thread! Can't wait to see those first leaves!
One thing about this hobby is there are more species to excite us than a hundred lifetimes could contain!
I must say you are making a pretty fair go at it though ;) 8)
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2 parcels went to the US including one to the mainland and one of those 2 was generously endowed.There were many requests that could not be filled and I apologize to those people and will pursue it further next season.It is Jim Reeves who should be thanked.
Unlike many in the genus a male and female is needed.Lucs Mexican is in for a battle royale as this is the Mayweather of Garcinias. You'd hock up an achachairu in horror after trying this bad boy.It has the size,flesh and taste to really mix it.Good luck Saff.Did yours come from far west or from the near north?
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(http://s24.postimg.cc/e1nylfk9t/Russells_Sweet_2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/e1nylfk9t/)
(http://s10.postimg.cc/tlaavk16d/20150307_173454.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tlaavk16d/)
(http://s22.postimg.cc/cct41uur1/Russells_Sweet_Crossection_3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cct41uur1/)
Feast your eyes on this fruit once again.If you have rats beware as they seem to have an unusual attraction to the seeds.A friend lost all 4 of his seeds in one night when rats broke in to his greenhouse and made beeline for them.
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(http://s24.postimg.cc/e1nylfk9t/Russells_Sweet_2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/e1nylfk9t/)
(http://s10.postimg.cc/tlaavk16d/20150307_173454.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tlaavk16d/)
(http://s22.postimg.cc/cct41uur1/Russells_Sweet_Crossection_3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cct41uur1/)
Feast your eyes on this fruit once again.If you have rats beware as they seem to have an unusual attraction to the seeds.A friend lost all 4 of his seeds in one night when rats broke in to his greenhouse and made beeline for them.
Glad this is in the hands of some propagation masters and will spread now ;D ;D ;D
Thanks Mike for all your hard work Im glad there are still many custodians of precious overlooked and underknown fruits!
Maybe one day in the future we can see a head to head comparison Lucs VS Russels 8)
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I don't know what this is BUT I WANT IT! NEED IT!!!!
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Good one. Here's to hoping you get the yam leaf garcinia up and pumping out the fruit with your usual ruthless efficincy.
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(http://s24.postimg.cc/e1nylfk9t/Russells_Sweet_2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/e1nylfk9t/)
(http://s10.postimg.cc/tlaavk16d/20150307_173454.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tlaavk16d/)
(http://s22.postimg.cc/cct41uur1/Russells_Sweet_Crossection_3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cct41uur1/)
Feast your eyes on this fruit once again.If you have rats beware as they seem to have an unusual attraction to the seeds.A friend lost all 4 of his seeds in one night when rats broke in to his greenhouse and made beeline for them.
Glad this is in the hands of some propagation masters and will spread now ;D ;D ;D
Thanks Mike for all your hard work Im glad there are still many custodians of precious overlooked and underknown fruits!
Maybe one day in the future we can see a head to head comparison Lucs VS Russels 8)
My money will be on Luc's.
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I don't know that there will be much comparison, they seem like they are from two very different tribes of the garcinia family. I bet the taste and texture are miles apart, unlike comparing Lucs to Achachairu or Russells to Mundu.
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2 parcels went to the US including one to the mainland and one of those 2 was generously endowed.There were many requests that could not be filled and I apologize to those people and will pursue it further next season.It is Jim Reeves who should be thanked.
Unlike many in the genus a male and female is needed.Lucs Mexican is in for a battle royale as this is the Mayweather of Garcinias. You'd hock up an achachairu in horror after trying this bad boy.It has the size,flesh and taste to really mix it.Good luck Saff.Did yours come from far west or from the near north?
Mike
Sorry for my bad english,
When you wrote achachairu is horror, you mean that achachairu is very bad taste after eat the Russell sweet Garcinia, is it?
Thanks
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Ricardo it is just exaggerating in a joking way. Achachairu is quite acidic being a Rheedia style Garcinia. As BMc pointed out they should be compared to an Asian species with similar characteristics and American garcinias with each other.
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Ricardo it is just exaggerating in a joking way. Achachairu is quite acidic being a Rheedia style Garcinia. As BMc pointed out they should be compared to an Asian species with similar characteristics and American garcinias with each other.
ok, thanks
But in your opinion Russel Garcinia is better than achacha, right?
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Yes more flesh,less acid and a different taste really so it is hard to compare.
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2 parcels went to the US including one to the mainland and one of those 2 was generously endowed.There were many requests that could not be filled and I apologize to those people and will pursue it further next season.It is Jim Reeves who should be thanked.
Unlike many in the genus a male and female is needed.Lucs Mexican is in for a battle royale as this is the Mayweather of Garcinias. You'd hock up an achachairu in horror after trying this bad boy.It has the size,flesh and taste to really mix it.Good luck Saff.Did yours come from far west or from the near north?
I got them off ebay...sellers name was Dorgon.
:P
just kidding...North
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Nice. Add me to the wish list. Hope they grow fast for you. I'll save a spot in the greenhouse for a few years.
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I'm trying to figure out the best way to distribute this plant, being that it's dioecious, and we won't know which seedlings are male/female until years from now.
maybe it would be best to label each seedling that I have (with a number or name), so each person will know which seedling their tree came from.
then, after I separate the boys from the girls, (sometime around the year 2020 ??? ) I can figure out who needs male or female scions, and then I can mail them to be grafted?
I can't think of a better way...maybe someone can?
maybe by the time we figure out which is male or female, we will have the capability to clone them with ease? it will be interesting to see if and when technological advances in the field of plant propagation will finally make grafting by humans obsolete ;D
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Put me on the list!
Adam, you better crank up the garcinias anonymous thread.
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I'd love to be on the list for this one as well, if it will survive here.
Mike, how tropical is the Russel's Garcinia? is it one of the more ultra tropical plants like the mangosteen, or might it be able to survive in Southern CA (Zone 10b)?
Richard
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Please signs me up for the waiting list! Thanks,
Simon
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Hi Saff, please put me on the list for this amazing Garcinia!
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I would imagine you should graft the trees before selling. That way they will be ready to go. I believe you could charge more too. Lol.
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Hi Adam. You know I want in on this :)
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Adam, I am in, too. Great the seeds got to someone who is able to spread this gem even before fruiting.
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I have a feeling that MikeT will be more likely to have the ability to fill all these requests, long before I will!
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That single sprout suddenly has a lot expected of it.BMc has a tree in Brisbane I believe and it appears they are not ultra tropical like a durian or mangosteen.
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(http://s24.postimg.cc/e1nylfk9t/Russells_Sweet_2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/e1nylfk9t/)
(http://s10.postimg.cc/tlaavk16d/20150307_173454.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/tlaavk16d/)
(http://s22.postimg.cc/cct41uur1/Russells_Sweet_Crossection_3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cct41uur1/)
Feast your eyes on this fruit once again.If you have rats beware as they seem to have an unusual attraction to the seeds.A friend lost all 4 of his seeds in one night when rats broke in to his greenhouse and made beeline for them.
That could explain why I have been missing so much of my Luc's seeds (blame on Aliens) & had to redouble orders to meet the season class trial! Rats left them alone for years! Now I just have to figure how to mount a night vision on my Gamo .22 for a night of mosquitoes squatting; these rats are outsmarting my zappers! Too bad russell garcinia is too cold sensitive, perhaps Adam being two hours north can breed line for subtropic in twent five years or so!😁
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I don't know that there will be much comparison, they seem like they are from two very different tribes of the garcinia family. I bet the taste and texture are miles apart, unlike comparing Lucs to Achachairu or Russells to Mundu.
I don't think they're different tribes, i think they are different genus: Garcinia and Rheedia. Just cause some lazy desk bound taxonomist deciced to lump them together doesn't mean they're not different.
Anyway, comparisons are odious. (Famous line from Dharma Bums.) It's not really going to be which one is better, but which one do you personally happen to like more?
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These garcinias seem to be fine in the sub tropics if they are in Brisbane.The local rats are really something else and called white tailed rats or Uromys.They make short work of coconuts.It does seem however that the culprit may well have the the standard old black rat.A fruit growing enthusiast bent on revenge and identifying the perpetrator with certainty assures me he will have the last laugh.I recently lost a big batch of Matisia seeds left outside to dry a bit.Seed fragments were flung around with abandon and it was the seed equivalent of a massacre.Every one of maybe 60 chupa chupa seeds were compromised and all were casualties.
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I am also interested whenever these become available. thanks!
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Finally! Found this post after looking around for Russel’s Sweet. Count me in for a male-female pair of grafted trees when they’re ready, Adam. I can’t afford to miss this one in my collection!
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Finally! Found this post after looking around for Russel’s Sweet. Count me in for a male-female pair of grafted trees when they’re ready, Adam. I can’t afford to miss this one in my collection!
MikeT is the true source for these...I'm really just a guy who has some seeds germinating...
so far I noticed some of the ungerminated seeds are dying...(maybe it was too hot in the greenhouse...i'm sure they could have easily seen temps of about 105F briefly)...regardless, I see at least two seeds that have germinated, and looks like there could be a few more to germinate.
if i can keep them alive, i will propagate them for sure!
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Nice! We gotta keep these in circulation.
Mike, would you happen to have more seeds?
I wonder how readily it would hybridize with fellow Garcinias (or even Rheedias). It might be the next big thing if we could get something on par with (or better than) the purple mangosteen, itself a hybrid. Personally, I'd like to shoot for something with an edible rind (like Luc's Rheedia), but maybe that's asking too much.
At the very least, if it cross-pollinates readily with other Garcinias, that might take care of the seedless females most people have, though that would be a step backward in propagating the pure species. With something this rare, propagating it pure is the highest priority.
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Feast your eyes on this fruit once again.If you have rats beware as they seem to have an unusual attraction to the seeds.A friend lost all 4 of his seeds in one night when rats broke in to his greenhouse and made beeline for them.
Considering that rats will eat anything that a human does (though admittedly not necessarily the other way around), I wonder what that might mean for seed edibility, human-wise. Maybe it's good as a nut? Has anyone ever tried?
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I can try to get more next season but there are no guarantees as I will need to rely on the goodwill of others.I kept only 4 seeds and they have not germinated.The rest were sent east from here.I can take comfort in the fact I have a male and female tree.
Maybe there is a low germination rate and not many will sprout.
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I can try to get more next season but there are no guarantees as I will need to rely on the goodwill of others.I kept only 4 seeds and they have not germinated.The rest were sent east from here.I can take comfort in the fact I have a male and female tree.
Maybe there is a low germination rate and not many will sprout.
Mike,
Keep up the good work.
Best of luck.
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got 2 seedlings to survive! One for me, and one for the voice in my head that tells me to collect Garcinias (two of each type, Noah's Ark style!)
(http://s29.postimg.cc/qgr8hngv7/IMG_2908.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qgr8hngv7/)
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got 2 seedlings to survive! One for me, and one for the voice in my head that tells me to collect Garcinias (two of each type, Noah's Ark style!)
(http://s29.postimg.cc/qgr8hngv7/IMG_2908.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qgr8hngv7/)
Very nice, any plans to try some grafting experiments :)?
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thanks Nullz,
yes I plan to experiment as soon as they are large enough to donate some scion wood.
lol by the year 2020?got 2 seedlings to survive! One for me, and one for the voice in my head that tells me to collect Garcinias (two of each type, Noah's Ark style!)
(http://s29.postimg.cc/qgr8hngv7/IMG_2908.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qgr8hngv7/)
Very nice, any plans to try some grafting experiments :)?
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Hi Adam,
I hope luck is on your side so you have one male and one female.
Tomas
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I had one a few years ago, and it didn't make it through the winter in an unheated greenhouse, who knows, I could have watered it too much and the cold took it down.
Mark
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sounds interesting adam. I'm game for seeds if they ever become available.
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One of mine came up immediately and another just now about 7 months later.A 2020 Garcinia dating service in the US might be needed.
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I don't know that there will be much comparison, they seem like they are from two very different tribes of the garcinia family. I bet the taste and texture are miles apart, unlike comparing Lucs to Achachairu or Russells to Mundu.
ah, I thought from previous reading on the forum that Luc's and Achachairu were the same thing.
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Aloha
Mike, we can arrange oversea plant affair. No protection...raw dawg
We got four sprouted here! Chhheeeeeeeyyyyyaaaaoooooozzzzzaaaazzz!!!
One of mine came up immediately and another just now about 7 months later.A 2020 Garcinia dating service in the US might be needed.
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I don't know that there will be much comparison, they seem like they are from two very different tribes of the garcinia family. I bet the taste and texture are miles apart, unlike comparing Lucs to Achachairu or Russells to Mundu.
ah, I thought from previous reading on the forum that Luc's and Achachairu were the same thing.
Achachairu is native to Bolivia. Luc's fruit is native to Mexico, and found growing wild in Puerto Vallarta area. Luc has posted comparison photo and the achachairu is a much smaller fruit.
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@Adam, how are the Russel's sweet seedlings coming along?
@Mike T, can I be put on a waiting list for seeds (if you are once again able to rely on the good fortune of others you know?
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Some of the seedlings:
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/GarciniaRussellsSweetSeedlings.jpg)
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Looks like they are thriving Oscar, how old? How long to germinate?
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As i recall they took 1-2 months to geminate. They've been growing slow, but i kept them in a lot of shade.
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They are slow at first and then speed up. Seedlings flower at between 4 and 7 years typically.
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Im hoping once these ones and a few others fruit, some may make their way back to (western) Australia. 😎
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Any update on these? How are they growing?
Bill
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I second that.
Any update on these, and anyone selling seeds? :)
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Add me to the waiting list, PLEASE!!!!! :-)
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Anyone know if garcinia will germinate a different type