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Title: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on June 25, 2012, 12:55:06 PM
San Diego grown jabos are finally ready and I couldn't be happier  ;D ;D ;D  sorry for the glare but that's a quarter amongst the jabos.

We have also been on a steady Lychee diet, my little girls absolutely love them and couldn't get enough, picked up another 4lbs at Costco ($3.50/lb) ... and some CA grown Hass ...

(http://s14.postimage.org/ms677bpyl/20120624_150939.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ms677bpyl/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/g49lkq6gd/20120624_151219.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/g49lkq6gd/)

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Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on June 25, 2012, 01:03:06 PM
Hi Tim,

Looks great...I mean Yummy ;D I'm also a fan of Jabuticaba ;) Can't wait to harvest a bucket full of them fruits :)

THX for sharing ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: nullzero on June 25, 2012, 01:10:57 PM
Congrats! How old is the Jabo?
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 25, 2012, 01:32:02 PM
I normally suck out pulp, and use a few of the jabo skins to clean my teeth and gums...the astringency and feeling is much better than fluoride.  I make sure to slightly chew skin, and rub all over my gum lines, in a circular motion...it's a real joy.

Although I'm not certain how efficacious it has been.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: NewGen on June 25, 2012, 03:15:23 PM
Are the jabos from Costco, or only the lychees? I've never tasted a jabo fruit before, would love to try some.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: KarenRei on June 25, 2012, 03:36:30 PM
ASaffron: It might well be cleaning your teeth, although it won't do the same thing as fluoride.  :)  Teeth are normally predominantly hydroxylapatite.  Fluoride converts it to fluoroapatite, which is a harder and more acid-resistant mineral.  So yeah, not the same, but it may well at least be cleaning your teeth  :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on June 25, 2012, 03:45:30 PM
Lychees were from Costco but the jabos came from Ben Poirer, my trees are so big I'm about 10years removed from tasting first fruit  ;D. 

They break down fast after harvest so there's no way you'll be able to find let them at Costco or any other store, let alone quality fruits.  Unfortunate because they're really good fruits that everyone should have access to.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 25, 2012, 03:48:05 PM
Are the jabos from Costco, or only the lychees? I've never tasted a jabo fruit before, would love to try some.

NewGen,

Costco sell jabo?

Not this season...or probably for the next 10 seasons.

Please correct me if I'm wrong...but no publix or costco, or corporate grocery story in USA consistently stocks jaboticaba fruits.

You'll have to grow them unfortunately, or find someone who is!

Best of luck...you are welcome to come to FL...all u can eat off my red jabo trees...just return the seeds please! :)
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: NewGen on June 25, 2012, 05:44:18 PM
I have a jabo tree, only 1 foot tall. All I have is time, so that'll have to do.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on June 25, 2012, 07:40:12 PM
Lychees were from Costco but the jabos came from Ben Poirer, my trees are so big I'm about 10years removed from tasting first fruit  ;D. 

They break down fast after harvest so there's no way you'll be able to find let them at Costco or any other store, let alone quality fruits.  Unfortunate because they're really good fruits that everyone should have access to.

That's not really true. If the jaboticabas are placed into a clamshell and refrigerated immediately after picking they will last one week without any problem. They could be sold in stores if there were enough trees around. They are certainly not as fragile as blueberries, raspberries, which are sold plenty in stores.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Yellowthumb on June 25, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
My jab tree. It's drinking so much water. Have to water it every day when it's sunny. I wish I could get at least one fruit some day.

(http://s7.postimage.org/wprse36jr/IMG_0136.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wprse36jr/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 25, 2012, 08:19:24 PM
harvest is a most arduous chore...I think this and yhe tendency of fruit skin ripping when harvested, causing fast spoilage, are the limiting factors

Lychees were from Costco but the jabos came from Ben Poirer, my trees are so big I'm about 10years removed from tasting first fruit  ;D. 

They break down fast after harvest so there's no way you'll be able to find let them at Costco or any other store, let alone quality fruits.  Unfortunate because they're really good fruits that everyone should have access to.

That's not really true. If the jaboticabas are placed into a clamshell and refrigerated immediately after picking they will last one week without any problem. They could be sold in stores if there were enough trees around. They are certainly not as fragile as blueberries, raspberries, which are sold plenty in stores.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on June 26, 2012, 01:46:38 AM
I don't intend to germinate any of these seeds so just in case anyone is looking for some jaboticaba seeds ... and have lots of free time, cover postage and I'll send some your way.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 26, 2012, 01:52:16 AM
see how many bits you can cut them into and still successfully germinate them...I hear they can be cut up because they are polyembryonic...and each part of seed will sprout...but how much can you cut one up and still have each part sprout?

Probably not more than about 2-4 per seed...give it a shot!
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on June 26, 2012, 02:00:30 AM
I've actually done that with my seeds from last year, similar to what I do with Manila mango seeds.  You're absolutely right, if done properly & with gentle hands, you'd get about 3-4   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on June 27, 2012, 12:31:59 PM
I put a handful of those jabos in the fridge after reading Oscar's comment while the rest were eaten, very good with none if that fermented taste at that point cuz they were fresh.  Took three out from the fridge this morning to try and sure enough, all fermented  :-[
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: NewGen on June 27, 2012, 12:54:41 PM
Lychees were from Costco but the jabos came from Ben Poirer, my trees are so big I'm about 10years removed from tasting first fruit  ;D. 

They break down fast after harvest so there's no way you'll be able to find let them at Costco or any other store, let alone quality fruits.  Unfortunate because they're really good fruits that everyone should have access to.

Is he a seller of fruits?
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on June 27, 2012, 01:00:11 PM
Is he a seller of fruits?
He sells trees and whatever in-season fruits from his trees.  Either at his place or the farmers market in Escondido.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on June 27, 2012, 07:06:27 PM
I put a handful of those jabos in the fridge after reading Oscar's comment while the rest were eaten, very good with none if that fermented taste at that point cuz they were fresh.  Took three out from the fridge this morning to try and sure enough, all fermented  :-[

You must have picked them already over ripe and starting to ferment. If you get them at the right stage they do keep fine for a week. I've done this many times, and also other vendors here do it.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 27, 2012, 07:16:38 PM
they keep for a week or so in tupperware in fridge for me

I put a handful of those jabos in the fridge after reading Oscar's comment while the rest were eaten, very good with none if that fermented taste at that point cuz they were fresh.  Took three out from the fridge this morning to try and sure enough, all fermented  :-[

You must have picked them already over ripe and starting to ferment. If you get them at the right stage they do keep fine for a week. I've done this many times, and also other vendors here do it.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on June 27, 2012, 07:45:55 PM
I think Ken Love has a youtube video about this. He suggests taking the ice box cooler out to the orchard, and as soon as you pick those babies sticking them into that cooler.
I've had jaboticabas in fridge for many weeks, and still eat them. After one week or so they will start to wrinkle and ferment. But even after starting to ferment, to me they taste like wine, and i eat them. I think it's best to use a bowl, rather a closed container, so they can continue to 'breathe'. You can also ofcourse freeze them whole for long storage.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: bradflorida on June 27, 2012, 08:10:17 PM
Adam - Those fruits sure do have shapeliness, and bear a striking anatomical resemblance!  What do they taste like?

Brad
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on June 27, 2012, 08:26:43 PM
Is he a seller of fruits?
He sells trees and whatever in-season fruits from his trees.  Either at his place or the farmers market in Escondido.

Ben's a great guy...He sells plants and fruits...I've always been really happy with whatever I've gotten from him.

He has Lucuma fruits that were really good!  I don't know what it is about the way those lucuma look, but I'm somehow very attracted to the shapeliness of the fruits.
(http://s17.postimage.org/5drkqnn3v/pictures_adam_2011_November_28_053.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5drkqnn3v/)

I agree Ben Poirier is very nice guy and a good source of plants and seeds especially for those of you in California.
About the shapeliness of lucuma, the green sapote is the same way, an X-rated fruit. I've already posted my X-rated green sapote photo in another thread. Not the kind of fruit they would serve at  religious parishes.  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 27, 2012, 08:29:45 PM
Adam - Those fruits sure do have shapeliness, and bear a striking anatomical resemblance!  What do they taste like?

Brad
like maple, Canistel, sweet potatoe, nutmeg...most amazing ingredient for ice-cream or milkshake...taste like cookie dough when prepared in milk shake!
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: gnappi on June 27, 2012, 11:48:31 PM
ASaffron: It might well be cleaning your teeth, although it won't do the same thing as fluoride.  :)  Teeth are normally predominantly hydroxylapatite.  Fluoride converts it to fluoroapatite, which is a harder and more acid-resistant mineral.  So yeah, not the same, but it may well at least be cleaning your teeth  :)

I liken Jabo to concord grapes with a crunchier skin. I think that if you like Concords, you'd like Jabo. This is the way they were explained to me and I bought a tree without tasting its fruit. I'm in my second season of small harvests and can't wait till it's as full as some I've seen.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on June 28, 2012, 02:26:08 AM
ASaffron: It might well be cleaning your teeth, although it won't do the same thing as fluoride.  :)  Teeth are normally predominantly hydroxylapatite.  Fluoride converts it to fluoroapatite, which is a harder and more acid-resistant mineral.  So yeah, not the same, but it may well at least be cleaning your teeth  :)

I liken Jabo to concord grapes with a crunchier skin. I think that if you like Concords, you'd like Jabo. This is the way they were explained to me and I bought a tree without tasting its fruit. I'm in my second season of small harvests and can't wait till it's as full as some I've seen.

Make that an inedible skin and you're on the right track to a good description. Most people won't eat the jaboticaba skins, except Adam. :o Those skins are high in tannic acid.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on June 28, 2012, 02:52:38 AM
Make that an inedible skin and you're on the right track to a good description. Most people won't eat the jaboticaba skins, except Adam. :o Those skins are high in tannic acid.

Me too I guess, I love it  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: bradflorida on June 28, 2012, 07:19:09 PM
Good to know.  Thanks.

Brad
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fyliu on June 28, 2012, 08:04:55 PM
Which parts of a jaboticaba fruit are commonly eaten and which parts are actually non-edible? I heard the skin and seeds are not good for you.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on July 02, 2012, 02:28:56 AM
Jaboticaba wizards ... can you identify which Myrciara these are?

(http://s12.postimage.org/brl91kfjd/20120701_161053.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/brl91kfjd/)

(http://s12.postimage.org/8jgroit9l/20120701_161032.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8jgroit9l/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 02, 2012, 02:36:05 AM
my first instinct tells me, looks like a mix of grimal and paulista...maybe from Ben??

defintely see grimal...but the other could be m jaboticaba...
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: nullzero on July 02, 2012, 02:52:34 AM
Met a kind person this weekend up in central California. Saw the plum sized Jaboticaba in ground, and came back home with a jabo seedling from the mother plant. Its amazing how well this Jaboticaba does, it produces 3 crops a year outdoors in a zone 9a / sunset zone 15.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Mike T on July 02, 2012, 03:00:27 AM

(http://s16.postimage.org/8l9rtwj6p/DSCF4828.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8l9rtwj6p/)

My jabs are smaller in winter and are not like my grimal which look a bit more like those below I think (see I am listening).They and the yellows are the only types I have ever tried.With M.jab (which I have eaten 100's of lbs over 20+ years) I quickly snip a hole with my teeth,hoover out the center and swallow like passionfuit.I do it fast so I can eat alot in a short time.

Reading about ASaffrons' and others' experience with a diversity of jabs has me interested in growing hybrids,vexators and any other good ones I can get.At the risk of sounding stupid are the seeds of all species swallowed? Which do experienced jab campaigners consider the best in terms of fruit quality? It would be great to know the finest species or cv's so I know what to chase.Just a few names would be great.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on July 02, 2012, 03:42:31 AM


My jabs are smaller in winter and are not like my grimal which look a bit more like those below I think (see I am listening).They and the yellows are the only types I have ever tried.With M.jab (which I have eaten 100's of lbs over 20+ years) I quickly snip a hole with my teeth,hoover out the center and swallow like passionfuit.I do it fast so I can eat alot in a short time.

Reading about ASaffrons' and others' experience with a diversity of jabs has me interested in growing hybrids,vexators and any other good ones I can get.At the risk of sounding stupid are the seeds of all species swallowed? Which do experienced jab campaigners consider the best in terms of fruit quality? It would be great to know the finest species or cv's so I know what to chase.Just a few names would be great.

Mike, suggest you get a hold of Brazilian Fruits book by Harri Lorenzi. It lists very many species of myrciarias, with great photos. Most of them unknown in Australia. Seems like that is one fruit that's now well represented down under. We've got a few more than you, but it's still a drop in the bucket compared to what's out there.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on July 02, 2012, 11:00:34 AM
my first instinct tells me, looks like a mix of grimal and paulista...maybe from Ben??

defintely see grimal...but the other could be m jaboticaba...
Yep, these are from Ben.  I told him if for whatever reason he needs to get rid of his trees, I should be 1st to be notified.  He had a good laugh, his exact words  "no f***ing way, I'll never get tired of these trees"

So the hairy/fuzzy ones are M. spirito santensis?  First time we tried this one, it's a bit more tart  but awesome flavor, skin is not edible - to me at least.  I think the rest are M. Jaboticaba like you said, they were really sweet.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 03, 2012, 11:35:53 PM
Ben used the "f" word!??  no way he rocks!!! I never though he had a sailors mouth like me'!!  I love to use vulgar words to express myslef I just can't help it.

he had a large leaf jabo that he swears isn't fuzzy...did u see a tree that looked like spirito santensis , but wasn't?? he called it large leaf...I think he's just got spirito santensis, and not some other large leaf type...and is mistaken...but I'm not sure.


thanks for post Tim

did I leave any questions unanswered??
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: BMc on July 03, 2012, 11:59:21 PM
Mike,
P/M. aureana is here. I may have a spare if you want to try it.
M. vexator is here, but bloody hard to find!
Our ban makes getting seeds in a no-no, so we have to just scour the east coast in the hope that we find the ones collectors got in before the ban came in.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on July 04, 2012, 01:40:43 AM
M. aureana, the white jaboticaba, is  fast fruiting, even without grafting.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 04, 2012, 02:23:44 AM
yes Oscar u r right in saying they fruit faster than most myrciaria from seed...

but what if the only specimen available isn't fruiting yet (which is often the case with the rarest species of jabo)?  wait for seeds or graft?  which is faster?

if it weren't for grafting I'd have much less variety, and I'd still be waiting for seeds of most rare jabo.


I've seen some large white Jabos about 5yrs old not fruiting yet...and I have some going on 4 yrs, now flowers yet!! not sure how much grafting will help speed up fruiting if the scion is from a nonflowering plant.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: eNorm on July 04, 2012, 02:56:31 PM
Ben used the "f" word!??  no way he rocks!!! I never though he had a sailors mouth like me'!!  I love to use vulgar words to express myslef I just can't help it.

he had a large leaf jabo that he swears isn't fuzzy...did u see a tree that looked like spirito santensis , but wasn't?? he called it large leaf...I think he's just got spirito santensis, and not some other large leaf type...and is mistaken...but I'm not sure.


Adam,

This is my "Giant Jaboticaba" as Ben calls it.  Does it look like spirto santesis, which is in the small pot right next to it.

(http://s15.postimage.org/rhy0ot4lz/P1070149.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rhy0ot4lz/)

Here is the close-up of the "Giant Jaboticaba" leaves

(http://s13.postimage.org/tfxdodt5f/P1070144.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tfxdodt5f/)

...and the leaves of spirito santensis for comparison

(http://s13.postimage.org/uyxd73p3n/P1070142.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/uyxd73p3n/)

lastly of 'Paulista'

(http://s17.postimage.org/drxgsn3ej/P1070148.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/drxgsn3ej/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: nullzero on July 04, 2012, 02:59:54 PM
eNorm,

Nice jabo pics! You got a nice collection started there.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: eNorm on July 04, 2012, 05:12:44 PM
Thanks nullzero!

I have a few others in my collection that are much smaller.  I just wish they would grow a little faster.   :(
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 05, 2012, 06:38:56 PM
Tim, Enorm

we gotta figure this out...I think we already have, but Ben said he had a large leaf jabo, with no fuzz on skin..but this pic of Fruit you posted is fuzzy...im thinking he only has spirito santensis, grimal jabo...and not some other similar species.

I have some of these trees from Ben, and I was hoping they were different than the grimal, which i have plenty of.

Jaboticaba wizards, ... can you identify which Myrciara these are?

(http://s12.postimage.org/brl91kfjd/20120701_161053.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/brl91kfjd/)

(http://s12.postimage.org/8jgroit9l/20120701_161032.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8jgroit9l/)
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on July 09, 2012, 01:00:35 PM
Here you go, Adam.  What do you think?

Carraig - sorry to address your email here but the seeds I sent are from this M.jaboticaba?

(http://s8.postimage.org/7fp2h0wkx/20120708_115325.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7fp2h0wkx/)

(http://s8.postimage.org/sya9hspo1/20120708_114619.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sya9hspo1/)

that's Ben in the background...
(http://s8.postimage.org/zd9aegwdt/20120708_114714.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/zd9aegwdt/)

this week's supply  ;D
(http://s8.postimage.org/lnjcjeynl/20120708_145152.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lnjcjeynl/)

Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: NewGen on July 09, 2012, 01:20:55 PM
Is he a seller of fruits?
He sells trees and whatever in-season fruits from his trees.  Either at his place or the farmers market in Escondido.

Time for my annual trip to San Diego. How do I contact him?
Thanks,
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on July 09, 2012, 01:44:34 PM
here you go
http://encantofarms.com/poirier.html (http://encantofarms.com/poirier.html)
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 09, 2012, 03:06:25 PM
Tim u got me a bit confused

the leaves look a bit different than my m spirito santensis (and so do the fruits, not quite fuzzy, and much darker purple than grimal)

bark looks very similar, and so do leaves...but different enough to catch my eye.

Id like to see a fruit from this tree cut in half!

also the fruit in the dish looks a bit like M. cauliflora, paulista...but I could be mistaken...(for sabarah)

where did u get those M. spirito santenis fruits (grimal) you posted earlier in this thread??..from Ben?  I wonder if he has a grimal, and the tree in the pics is different large leaf???

I want one of each garsh dangit!

Thanks for posting!  and helping figure out mystery.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Mike T on July 10, 2012, 03:54:53 PM
Since the advice from the Plinia Prince I have been hanging over fences,inspecting park jabs and reviewing pictures of baffled jab enthusiasts.The jaboticaba situation from the land of plenty is that diversity is not plentiful.Plinia jaboticaba var. sabara is 95% of the population and they have been here for over 45 years with big examples around.Plinia spirito santensis var. grimal has been here just as long hiding in the shadows but always refered to as a variety of the small leafed (sabara).No Plinia cauliflora var. paulista were detected or anything else for that matter.
In the local nursery trade I know of no other fruit trees given the wrong genus,species and with their all important variety name omitted.I will report back if I locate other jab. species or varieties but it is looking unlikely.The industry needs a few uppercuts and mostly lots of jabs for their indiscretions.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: BMc on July 10, 2012, 06:15:41 PM
Mike, I was very happy to have yesterday located a good source for seed of M/P. edulis, floribunda, vexator as well as the good Campomanesia and probably E. candoleana. The source is just a bit south of here and is a treasure trove, but is also a bit unstable, for lack of a better word. Im hoping to get a good amount of seed from Spring and will send some up your way. I think he also has Paulista and a few other variations.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Mike T on July 10, 2012, 07:24:06 PM
BMc you bet I'm up for a few good jabs,E.candoleana (I don't like the can do part of the name) and Camps.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 10, 2012, 11:28:48 PM
jabomano is true prince of plinia!

if there is a fruiting cambuca that u can get budwood from, I bet it would speed up fruiting time.

I'm currently competing in an international race, to be the first of a group of plinia planters, to have flowers and fruits. ;)

grafting has been my vehicle of choice to leave others in the dust...although I must admit, it's a seemingly easy task to accomplish, but things aren't always what they seem.

Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on July 11, 2012, 12:35:17 AM
Since the advice from the Plinia Prince I have been hanging over fences,inspecting park jabs and reviewing pictures of baffled jab enthusiasts.The jaboticaba situation from the land of plenty is that diversity is not plentiful.Plinia jaboticaba var. sabara is 95% of the population and they have been here for over 45 years with big examples around.Plinia spirito santensis var. grimal has been here just as long hiding in the shadows but always refered to as a variety of the small leafed (sabara).No Plinia cauliflora var. paulista were detected or anything else for that matter.
In the local nursery trade I know of no other fruit trees given the wrong genus,species and with their all important variety name omitted.I will report back if I locate other jab. species or varieties but it is looking unlikely.The industry needs a few uppercuts and mostly lots of jabs for their indiscretions.

Australians have been even more in the dark about jaboticabas than Americans. Even an Australian who has a vast collection of tropical fruits and is quite knowledgeable only knew small leafed and large leafed jaboticabas and had absolutely no clue about what  they are and the very many other species available. I guess Australians don't like to travel to Brazil?  ;)
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: BMc on July 11, 2012, 01:23:57 AM

if there is a fruiting cambuca that u can get budwood from, I bet it would speed up fruiting time.


Even moving the seeds here is not looked upon well with the Myrtle rust brew-ha. Moving plants and material between states is frowned upon.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on July 11, 2012, 01:33:29 AM

if there is a fruiting cambuca that u can get budwood from, I bet it would speed up fruiting time.


Even moving the seeds here is not looked upon well with the Myrtle rust brew-ha. Moving plants and material between states is frowned upon.

Don't think this Myrtaceae rust is spread by seeds, at least there is no evidence of that.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: BMc on July 11, 2012, 01:51:12 AM

if there is a fruiting cambuca that u can get budwood from, I bet it would speed up fruiting time.


Even moving the seeds here is not looked upon well with the Myrtle rust brew-ha. Moving plants and material between states is frowned upon.



Don't think this Myrtaceae rust is spread by seeds, at least there is no evidence of that.

I know. It hasnt stopped the govt from blanket banning them.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Mike T on July 13, 2012, 05:24:22 PM

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My sabara is an impatient tree and just can't wait until I eat all the crop.It keeps putting out flower buds in a flush before the last crop has finished.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 13, 2012, 06:11:46 PM
tasty
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Mike T on July 15, 2012, 04:11:47 PM
Saff is there an easy way to rid seeds that are preparing for a trip of that tenaceous flesh? All 3 sabaras of mine have just a few fruit but are covered in flower buds.I also found flowers on my 2 yellow jabs.The sabaras are crazy productive and the fruit have a great taste.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 15, 2012, 05:32:18 PM
Oscar might know.

I think maybe soaking in peroxide and then  scrubbing with soft acrylic sponge?

although I'm not sure if the peroxide will affect viability...and also seeds can be quite soft and easy to damage when scrubbing with sponge.


I always leave pulp on the seeds, and just put them in a bag with coco coir.

you can't pay me' enough to remove the pulp from jabo seeds, it clings too tenaciously.

Saff is there an easy way to rid seeds that are preparing for a trip of that tenaceous flesh? All 3 sabaras of mine have just a few fruit but are covered in flower buds.I also found flowers on my 2 yellow jabs.The sabaras are crazy productive and the fruit have a great taste.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on July 15, 2012, 11:42:00 PM
Saff is there an easy way to rid seeds that are preparing for a trip of that tenaceous flesh? All 3 sabaras of mine have just a few fruit but are covered in flower buds.I also found flowers on my 2 yellow jabs.The sabaras are crazy productive and the fruit have a great taste.

The easiest way is too collect seeds from fruits that have been on the ground for some time. Or to let some fruits get way over ripe outside in a box. Then the pulp come off very easily after washing.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fyliu on July 16, 2012, 01:20:46 AM
The easiest way is too collect seeds from fruits that have been on the ground for some time. Or to let some fruits get way over ripe outside in a box. Then the pulp come off very easily after washing.
So let the pulp ferment and break down. I can see that working well. Then maybe peroxide to kill whatever might be on the surface.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on July 16, 2012, 01:48:20 AM
careful not to let fermentation heat up the seeds and kill them!  :'(
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on July 16, 2012, 02:18:54 AM
The easiest way is too collect seeds from fruits that have been on the ground for some time. Or to let some fruits get way over ripe outside in a box. Then the pulp come off very easily after washing.
So let the pulp ferment and break down. I can see that working well. Then maybe peroxide to kill whatever might be on the surface.

Yes. This method works well for many hard to clean seeds.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Mike T on July 16, 2012, 02:45:56 AM
Thanks for the tip Oscar I'll do it that way.
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I see my yellow has flowers.



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All 3 sabaras are gearing up for a coordinated mother of all fruitings.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on July 16, 2012, 03:00:58 AM
Oscar might know.

I think maybe soaking in peroxide and then  scrubbing with soft acrylic sponge?

although I'm not sure if the peroxide will affect viability...and also seeds can be quite soft and easy to damage when scrubbing with sponge.


I always leave pulp on the seeds, and just put them in a bag with coco coir.

you can't pay me' enough to remove the pulp from jabo seeds, it clings too tenaciously.



Adam, you can usually get away with that mailing inside USA, although it's actually not legal. But foreign shipments are inspected, and if any pulp is found on the seeds they would be rejected. That is why Mike is asking.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on September 07, 2012, 09:30:20 PM
Has anyone noticed the number of sprouts from a single jaboticaba seed?  Prior to this, I've only seen 4-5, but this one sent 7...
Sorry it's a tad bit unclear due to poor macro shot & improper angle.

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Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: tropical66 on September 08, 2012, 12:41:55 AM

 To all fellow,

 Can you please teach me how to germinate jaboticaba seed? any special technique?
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on September 08, 2012, 01:14:57 AM
Tim, that's pretty rare from just one seed. I've never seen it. You sure it was just one seed and not two seeds stuck together, as in Siamese twin seeds? That often happens.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Tim on September 08, 2012, 02:43:40 AM
Yes sir! I made sure to only pop one seed into each starter pot, threw away quite a few also. Of 18 pots, one still hasn't sprouted a dang thing except huge mass of roots, 16 with either 3-4 sprouts....and this odd ball 7.

Tropical66 - the way I germinate mine goes something like this. Always work for me though some may do it differently.
1. Hand scrub all the fleshy pulp off each seed (the ones I don't thoroughly clean always bring mold since I don't treat them with anything.
2. Wet a sheet of paper towel, place cleaned seeds in the center and fold the wet paper to cover all seeds.
3. Place all of step2 in a clear plastic, give it a bit of air and seal or tie the bag up with a rubberband.
4. Place in warm location with some filtered light, like a window with blinds perhaps. Leave alone for two weeks.
5. Once they sprout, put them in soil and lightly cover, keep in shaded area and water regularly.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on September 08, 2012, 03:09:46 AM
Siamese twin seeds can seem like only one seed, even be round like only one seed, but can be pulled apart.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: tropical66 on September 08, 2012, 03:22:09 AM
Yes sir! I made sure to only pop one seed into each starter pot, threw away quite a few also. Of 18 pots, one still hasn't sprouted a dang thing except huge mass of roots, 16 with either 3-4 sprouts....and this odd ball 7.

Tropical66 - the way I germinate mine goes something like this. Always work for me though some may do it differently.
1. Hand scrub all the fleshy pulp off each seed (the ones I don't thoroughly clean always bring mold since I don't treat them with anything.
2. Wet a sheet of paper towel, place cleaned seeds in the center and fold the wet paper to cover all seeds.
3. Place all of step2 in a clear plastic, give it a bit of air and seal or tie the bag up with a rubberband.
4. Place in warm location with some filtered light, like a window with blinds perhaps. Leave alone for two weeks.
5. Once they sprout, put them in soil and lightly cover, keep in shaded area and water regularly.


Thanks for the informations Tim
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: tropical66 on September 08, 2012, 08:22:36 AM

Hi,

My new 2 Jaboticaba tree that I bought from Tropical Fruit Farm Penang, Malaysia.I am not a experienced jaboticaba tree planting, need help from you all here to give tips planting this tree, including the potting soil mixture
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Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on September 08, 2012, 03:26:33 PM
Use a well drained soil medium with lots of organic matter. Jaboticabas like lots of water. Put the pot on a saucer and keep the saucer full of water for them to absorb all the time. Fertilize every 3 months. They are slow growing plants, but with lots of food and water you can speed them up a lot.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: tropical66 on September 08, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
Use a well drained soil medium with lots of organic matter. Jaboticabas like lots of water. Put the pot on a saucer and keep the saucer full of water for them to absorb all the time. Fertilize every 3 months. They are slow growing plants, but with lots of food and water you can speed them up a lot.

Thanks Oscar for the useful information.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on September 09, 2012, 04:21:39 AM
Use a well drained soil medium with lots of organic matter. Jaboticabas like lots of water. Put the pot on a saucer and keep the saucer full of water for them to absorb all the time. Fertilize every 3 months. They are slow growing plants, but with lots of food and water you can speed them up a lot.


Don't forget that they like a ph as low as 4-5.5 or so...depending on Species.  They hate excessive fertilizer, and young plants will be killed easily by a heavy application.

I fertilize mine monthly, but at about 1/4-1/2 of the recommended amount (on the bag of Espoma Holly-tone).

Also don't forget that your tree will fruit much sooner in certain cases if you thin out the larger branches, encouraging more sunlight to penetrate to the caulis, and more flowers to emerge over time...where they are most abundant on most species....the caulis (old wood)....and each node that produces flowers, will increase in productivity...starting out with the first blooms being only 1-8 per node...then over time they can have an excess of 25 or so, individual blooms emerging, per flowering node.

Pruning jaboticabas is not for every grower (those in areas subject to harsh winters should think twice) and definitely not for every species of Myrciaria/Plinia.

But it looks like yours will enjoy some pruning over the years...they appear to be the most common variety on the planet...Myrciaria jaboticaba (Sabara)...and considered one of the premier cultivars.

(PS...what is your soil comprised of? Looks like a nice red/ orange color...I wonder if you purchased them with this soil, or if you added it yourself?  Most jabuticabeira seem to enjoy the terra vermehla (red colored earth...with clay and good Fe content) and other organic matter.

Best of luck with your wise purchase.

Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: tropical66 on September 09, 2012, 09:09:44 AM
Use a well drained soil medium with lots of organic matter. Jaboticabas like lots of water. Put the pot on a saucer and keep the saucer full of water for them to absorb all the time. Fertilize every 3 months. They are slow growing plants, but with lots of food and water you can speed them up a lot.


Don't forget that they like a ph as low as 4-5.5 or so...depending on Species.  They hate excessive fertilizer, and young plants will be killed easily by a heavy application.

I fertilize mine monthly, but at about 1/4-1/2 of the recommended amount (on the bag of Espoma Holly-tone).

Also don't forget that your tree will fruit much sooner in certain cases if you thin out the larger branches, encouraging more sunlight to penetrate to the caulis, and more flowers to emerge over time...where they are most abundant on most species....the caulis (old wood)....and each node that produces flowers, will increase in productivity...starting out with the first blooms being only 1-8 per node...then over time they can have an excess of 25 or so, individual blooms emerging, per flowering node.

Pruning jaboticabas is not for every grower (those in areas subject to harsh winters should think twice) and definitely not for every species of Myrciaria/Plinia.

But it looks like yours will enjoy some pruning over the years...they appear to be the most common variety on the planet...Myrciaria jaboticaba (Sabara)...and considered one of the premier cultivars.

(PS...what is your soil comprised of? Looks like a nice red/ orange color...I wonder if you purchased them with this soil, or if you added it yourself?  Most jabuticabeira seem to enjoy the terra vermehla (red colored earth...with clay and good Fe content) and other organic matter.

Best of luck with your wise purchase.

Thanks ASaffron for the useful information. I only used our local ( laterite ) soil. Laterite ( Latosol ) soil that is rich in iron, aluminium, or silica and formed in tropical woodlands ( rainforest ) under very humid climate with relatively high temperature. The  soil color red to yellow, so often called the “Red Soil”. For my potting I mixed the red soil with clay and peat moss. Maybe I will add some compost to enrich the soil.

( PS....Can I use fermented seaweed for fertilizing my jaboticaba )
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Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: tropical66 on September 11, 2012, 10:44:16 AM

 Hi all,

What is the good effects of using zeolite to potting mix soil and for the jaboticaba tree?Can zeolite reduce the acidic level in the potting soil?Is it necessary to add either fulvic acid or humic acid to the soil, to increased acidic level in the potting mix?
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on February 08, 2013, 11:18:46 AM
Saff is there an easy way to rid seeds that are preparing for a trip of that tenaceous flesh? All 3 sabaras of mine have just a few fruit but are covered in flower buds.I also found flowers on my 2 yellow jabs.The sabaras are crazy productive and the fruit have a great taste.

Here is another way to clean them...

spit the seeds out, as your eating them, onto a sheet of news paper.

Make sure all seeds come in contact with the paper...and roll them up, or ball them up...

Let the ball, or roll of news paper and seeds dry out for a few days (it should still be somewhat moist).

After this, you'll have to pick apart the seeds carefully...they should have newspaper stuck to the pulp. 
Instead of wet, slippery and tenacious pulp to remove, you'll have something that scrapes off like wallpaper.

The fruit pulp is much easier to remove this way....also, jaboticaba seeds like to dry out...just a little bit, before they're planted.  Never totally dry...but drier than super fresh seeds.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: fruitlovers on February 08, 2013, 10:50:04 PM
I find easiest way to clean jaboticaba seeds is to use fruits that are over ripe and fell to the ground, or dried  a bit on the tree.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: LEOOEL on February 13, 2013, 02:24:18 AM
Anyone in Zone-10b have a Jaboticaba cultivar that they can recommend?

Tropical66, that is one nice looking cat.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: tropical66 on February 13, 2013, 02:56:51 AM
Anyone in Zone-10b have a Jaboticaba cultivar that they can recommend?

Tropical66, that is one nice looking cat.

Hi LEOOEL,

Thanks for the compliment. It is a hybrid cat and have the bloodline of the Felis bengalensis and housecat
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: tropical66 on February 13, 2013, 02:58:42 AM

 Hi all,


 The Sabaras and Trunciflora is it the same or it is a different variety?

 cheers
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Mike T on February 13, 2013, 03:29:29 AM
Faezal they are different species and both very good quality jaboticabas.My cat called Oscar looks alot like your cat.He is on security detail while when I leave in a few hours.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: tropical66 on February 13, 2013, 04:33:17 AM
Faezal they are different species and both very good quality jaboticabas.My cat called Oscar looks alot like your cat.He is on security detail while when I leave in a few hours.

Hi Mike,

Your cat names Oscar, its reminds me one of the member in Hawaii ;D ;D. Your Oscar guarding your jaboticabas and other fruitings fruit tree from the parakeet and cockatiel?
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Mike T on February 13, 2013, 04:56:37 AM
Faezal Oscar the cat is a scaredy cat when it comes to cockatoos and flying foxes but anything smaller than a pigeon better watch out.The rainbow lorikeets better watch out.
Title: Re: Jaboticabas & such ...
Post by: Jackfruitwhisperer69 on February 13, 2013, 06:26:01 AM
Anyone in Zone-10b have a Jaboticaba cultivar that they can recommend?

Tropical66, that is one nice looking cat.

Hi Leooel,
I am growing Plinia cauliflora, here in the highlands and the tree does very well...only drops few old leaves with the cold. I reckon you can grow them without probs ;) I have even heard from an acquaintance that there is a fruiting Jabuticaba, in the Azores(can't remember which Island, though)...don't know if it's true or not. At the orchard, in Calheta where it more warmer then here...the tree keeps on growing, and no defoliation whats so ever 8)