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Title: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on March 19, 2017, 05:41:05 PM
I'm a big fan of Indian Mangos and every year I eagerly wait for the announcement I get through email that Indian Mango season is almost upon us. According to the email I received, it should begin in about three weeks or around the week of April 11. The email said that the mangos are expected to ripen a week or two early this year. It also mentioned that there will be 3 US inspectors visiting India and Bangalore is a new province where Mangos will be harvested and shipped from.

There will be the usual suspects like Alphonso, Kesar, Chaunsa, White Chaunsa, Neelam, Mallika, Imam Passand, Langra, Dussehri, Ratol, Banganpalli along with some varieties I've yet to try like Rasalu, Sindhri Mancurad, Ratte Wala, Totapurri and Mulgova.

I believe I have read that reports out of Florida that Mulgova is an excellent tasting mango and I have definitely heard from my Indian friends that it is in fact a very excellent tasting fruit so hopefully the shipments will not disappoint.

Last year, the shipments of Kesar were absolutely amazing. The physical appearance of the fruit were blemish free and the internal qualities matched its appearance. Kesar was THE BEST Indian Mango last year in my opinion. It easily beat out Alphonso which was good but had internal breakdown issues and was not as sweet as the Kesar. The Alphonso may be one point higher than Kesar when comparing pure Indian Resin, Turpentine, flavor but Kesar wins out for overall taste.

The Kesars last year were in a league of its own with an excellent acid balance. Actually, it's not really acid balance as it was not Tart at all but there was something definitely there that the Alphonso did not have.

If you see Indian Mangos in the markets, please post here to notify the rest of us Indian Mango fanatics and please post pictures and flavor descriptions if possible. The Indian Mangos are supposed to start shipping in about three weeks but this is only if you pre ordered through one of the companies. For many of us waiting for Indian Mangos to show up in the local Indian Supermarkets, it can be a long ways off before we can satisfy our craving.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: raimeiken on March 19, 2017, 06:04:39 PM
where do you buy them from? and have you tried growing them from seed?
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: Squam256 on March 19, 2017, 06:20:14 PM
The Florida Mulgoba is outstanding, but a different mango than the one found in India. It likely grew from the rootstock after the actual Mulgoba tree brought from India was killed back in a series of freezes.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: clannewton on March 19, 2017, 08:22:21 PM
Does the Haden's heritage come from the Mulgoba?
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: Squam256 on March 19, 2017, 09:38:21 PM
Does the Haden's heritage come from the Mulgoba?

Yes, Haden is a cross between Mulgoba and Turpentine. But not the Mulgoba found in India, a different Mulgoba.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: simon_grow on March 19, 2017, 10:18:49 PM
where do you buy them from? and have you tried growing them from seed?
You can pre order mangos from Mangozz.com but the quality can be hit or miss. I've had excellent and horrible mangos from them but the customer service was pretty good about refunds or replacement mangos. I order special varieties from them and prefer to pick up the more common varieties like Alphonso and Kesar from Miramar Cash and Carry. They also sell Pakistani mangos as well.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: MangoFang on March 20, 2017, 12:33:39 AM
Simon - have you ever had a Bombay?  My tree is a fast grower and I should have at least a dozen or so
this year.  Last year it was outstanding, I mean really good.  Perhaps my desert climate is the key but it
was amazing....

Gary coming out of hibernation
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: FrankDrebinOfFruits on March 20, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
I really want to find scions for Rasalu. My mother said that was her favorite growing up.

I am out of root stock right now though. :-[
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: simon_grow on March 20, 2017, 08:29:15 AM
Hey Gary, welcome back. Yes, I've had Bombay before, in fact, I sampled it at your place during one of the dessert mango tastings. I thought Bombay was really good but felt that Kesar was exceptional. I have a small graft of Kesar on my multigraft Manilla so I can bring you a scion next time I visit if you are interested.

I forgot to mention that the fruit/seeds from India are irradiated and they will not likely sprout, perhaps I was doing something wrong but I have 0 seedlings still alive from irradiated fruit. When irradiated seeds are soaked, they will swell a bit making it appear that they are growing but they eventually just stop. It could have been me so please let me know if anyone has any luck sprouting seeds that have been irradiated.

For my Indian Mango seedlings, I use seeds from locally grown Indian varieties like, Alphonso, Mallika, Bombay.

I have never tasted or even seen a Rasalu mango so I might try ordering a box this year. I'm so excited about this Mango season!!!

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: mangomandan on March 20, 2017, 09:33:18 AM
Really enjoying your posts, Simon. You have truly immersed yourself in the mango world.

If the mangoes shipped from India are irradiated, does that mean that they are not given the heat treatment that negatively impacts mangoes shipped from Mexico and Central America?

I suspect that my area in Florida does not have Indian stores that sell such a range of mangoes, but I'm going to look around.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: boxturtle on March 20, 2017, 12:27:25 PM
when is a good time to order kesar and alphonso? was there a difference in taste and quality depending time of year?
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: Charlie23 on March 20, 2017, 12:46:36 PM
any of these indian varieties are ideal for container grown?
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: bsbullie on March 20, 2017, 01:15:23 PM
any of these indian varieties are ideal for container grown?

From seed, no.

If grafted, the only one that may work with some extended success is Imam Pasand.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: simon_grow on March 20, 2017, 02:54:15 PM
Really enjoying your posts, Simon. You have truly immersed yourself in the mango world.

If the mangoes shipped from India are irradiated, does that mean that they are not given the heat treatment that negatively impacts mangoes shipped from Mexico and Central America?

I suspect that my area in Florida does not have Indian stores that sell such a range of mangoes, but I'm going to look around.

Thanks Mangomandan,

I believe it's either/or so if it's been irradiated, then it's not hot water treated but this is only my assumption. The Irradiation does not seem to affect the flavor at all, I can't really see how the flavor of last years Kesars can get any better. Delayed shipments definitely affect the quality of the fruit however. Sometimes a shipment will be delayed while it is waiting for inspection. This delay caused a shipment of Chaunsa and white Chaunsa to get over ripe last year or the year before.

Box turtle, the mid season Kesars were the best. The early ones were slightly less sweet and the last shipments of Kesars were a bit overripe.

Simon

Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: bsbullie on March 20, 2017, 03:37:27 PM
Really enjoying your posts, Simon. You have truly immersed yourself in the mango world.

If the mangoes shipped from India are irradiated, does that mean that they are not given the heat treatment that negatively impacts mangoes shipped from Mexico and Central America?

I suspect that my area in Florida does not have Indian stores that sell such a range of mangoes, but I'm going to look around.

Dan - try some of the Indian markets in Broward County.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: zands on March 20, 2017, 04:24:39 PM
I suspect that my area in Florida does not have Indian stores that sell such a range of mangoes, but I'm going to look around.
Dan - try some of the Indian markets in Broward County.

There is a large Indian supermarket called Patel's in the same outdoor mall as the Walmart at University and Oakland Park Blvd in Broward County Florida. To the left of Walmart and further away from University
https://www.yelp.com/biz/patel-brothers-sunrise?adjust_creative=bing&utm_campaign=yelp_feed&utm_medium=feed_v2&utm_source=bing (https://www.yelp.com/biz/patel-brothers-sunrise?adjust_creative=bing&utm_campaign=yelp_feed&utm_medium=feed_v2&utm_source=bing)

I never bother with imported Indian mangoes but I will take a look at Patel's this year.
I was at Patel's last week. Bought fresh turmeric root @$4/lb and planted some. Fresh ginger root is always low priced there. As low as 50Ę  /lb last summer. Last time it was at $1.29.

Office Depot store was there previously.
btw  those Indian owned motels and hotels in America are mostly owned by Patels (last name). Patel is a caste or sub-caste in India
________________

Yelp review from someone in Boca Raton---

Quote
Patel Brothers is the Publix equivalent of Indian foods. This franchise has been expanding rapidly and even though they are all the way in sunrise it is usually worth the drive.

They have all the different kinds of exotic stuff available along with a fresh selection of vegetables and fruits.
The most important distinction from other small Indian food stores is the organization, cleanliness and selection of different products available. Everything available is fresh and they rarely have something missing.

Today we needed three products that I was pretty sure would be difficult to find yet we were able to get all three at Patel Brothers.
If you need anything related to Indian food this is the place to visit. The staff is extremely cordial and helpful and they make sure that you get everything you are looking for.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: behlgarden on March 20, 2017, 04:57:18 PM
Simon,  lets share info here as Indian mangoes hit our shelves in local markets, this would alert all.

On side note, Kesar was the best mango I ever tasted, hands down! it beat Sweet Tart at its peak. Kesar can stay firm and wrinkle yet not turn mushy for 3 weeks on counter, then it maintains in refrigerator longer. I am hoping Kesar does well here in So Cal, if not where I live, it might do well in the Desert.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: simon_grow on March 20, 2017, 05:00:25 PM
Behl, I'll definitely post here as soon as I see them in the markets. I'll also post pictures, Brix and a taste report as they roll in.

Here's a teaser from last year. http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=20091.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=20091.0)

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: simon_grow on March 20, 2017, 05:17:07 PM
Kesar Mango
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2358.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2358.0)


Jumbo Kesar
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=20763.msg255311#msg255311 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=20763.msg255311#msg255311)

Behl, I have Kesar grafted onto my multigraft and it's currently flowering so maybe we will be able to taste it when grown in San Diego. I only Grafted a small branch so it may not even hold any fruit but I'll definitely bring it to the tasting table.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: boxturtle on March 20, 2017, 06:03:35 PM
Thanks ahead of time :) can't wait
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: bsbullie on March 20, 2017, 08:39:04 PM
I suspect that my area in Florida does not have Indian stores that sell such a range of mangoes, but I'm going to look around.
Dan - try some of the Indian markets in Broward County.

There is a large Indian supermarket called Patel's in the same outdoor mall as the Walmart at University and Oakland Park Blvd in Broward County Florida. To the left of Walmart and further away from University
https://www.yelp.com/biz/patel-brothers-sunrise?adjust_creative=bing&utm_campaign=yelp_feed&utm_medium=feed_v2&utm_source=bing (https://www.yelp.com/biz/patel-brothers-sunrise?adjust_creative=bing&utm_campaign=yelp_feed&utm_medium=feed_v2&utm_source=bing)

I never bother with imported Indian mangoes but I will take a look at Patel's this year.
I was at Patel's last week. Bought fresh turmeric root @$4/lb and planted some. Fresh ginger root is always low priced there. As low as 50Ę  /lb last summer. Last time it was at $1.29.

Office Depot store was there previously.
btw  those Indian owned motels and hotels in America are mostly owned by Patels (last name). Patel is a caste or sub-caste in India
________________

Yelp review from someone in Boca Raton---

Quote
Patel Brothers is the Publix equivalent of Indian foods. This franchise has been expanding rapidly and even though they are all the way in sunrise it is usually worth the drive.

They have all the different kinds of exotic stuff available along with a fresh selection of vegetables and fruits.
The most important distinction from other small Indian food stores is the organization, cleanliness and selection of different products available. Everything available is fresh and they rarely have something missing.

Today we needed three products that I was pretty sure would be difficult to find yet we were able to get all three at Patel Brothers.
If you need anything related to Indian food this is the place to visit. The staff is extremely cordial and helpful and they make sure that you get everything you are looking for.

That is one place and I know they did have some Kesar either last year or the year before.

There are also some smaller Indian markets that have carried some Indian imports.  In addition to quality at harvest, the key is the care tbey are given and freshness.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: Raulglezruiz on March 20, 2017, 09:23:18 PM
Simon thanks for your comments, I haven't tried a resin or turpentine mango here in Mexico where we're have very limited options, but I'm sure I'll enjoy it, on my 20 young mango collection most are Zill's, but have one Indian Jehengar because of your review of last year, now I'm definitely try to get Kesar, do you think Jehengar has also that resin flavor of Alphonso or Kesar?  Are they similar or way different? Thanks
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: simon_grow on March 20, 2017, 10:18:52 PM
Hey Raulglezruiz,

The Jehengar is an excellent sweet mango that has a bit if that classic Indian resin taste but that Indian resin taste is much more prominent in Alphonso and Kesar. The flavor profile of Kesar is such that even a person not accustomed to that strong Indian resin flavor could still enjoy this fruit. In fact, I brought several Kesars to my work and everyone that sampled the fruit said it was one of the best mangos they have ever tasted and then they asked me where they can purchase some fruit.

The Jehengar was excellent and has an unusually almost white or beige flesh color with a uniquely delicious undertone that is very difficult to put into words. It's almost like a guava type of savory umami, slightly resembling that unique taste I get from the Ice Cream mango that Maurice Kong introduced. I would definitely add Kesar to my collection if I didn't already have it. Actually, if you can get it, Jumbo Kesar is supposed to taste the same as Kesar except it is much larger.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: Andrew on March 20, 2017, 10:46:11 PM
Another new variety of Indian mango that Iíve been hearing amazing reports on its top tier status is the Sonpari mango thatís an Alphonso ◊ Baneshan cross. Unfortunately, it seems like only a couple of people have tasted one. I am curious to see how it compares to other previous Indian mango favorites like Kesar.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: bsbullie on March 20, 2017, 11:42:04 PM
The Florida grown Kesar I have had have not had the same resin component of the Alphonso I have had.  Much less intense/overpowering.

The Son Pari I have had here have had its own resin component but not strong piney in nature.   To me, it was different than all the Indian mangoes I have had.

I liked Son Pari better than Kesar.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: Tropicdude on March 21, 2017, 02:06:00 AM
Oh man I really need to contact my buddy at the Kesar farm,  I really loved those mangoes.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: simon_grow on March 21, 2017, 06:18:53 PM
Oh man I really need to contact my buddy at the Kesar farm,  I really loved those mangoes.

Please tell your friend that we are still waiting for the Jumbo Kesars here in the USA. I was hoping they would show up in the supermarkets around here last year. I hope the plantation is still doing well.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: LivingParadise on March 21, 2017, 06:42:32 PM
Anyone know of a place selling Indian mangoes in Miami-Dade (or if I were so lucky, Monroe County) in FL?

Anyone here ever successfully sprout such a mango seed purchased from a local store?

I have a Kesar tree, but it's only the first year in the ground here, and did not push out flowers anyway. So I've still never tasted one, but I'm generally a fan of Indian mangoes. I miss my days in the NYC tri-state area when I could get a variety of Indian mangoes right down the street, and for decent prices... I used to buy a box at a time! But alas, there is barely any Indian population way down here in extreme SFL.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: behlgarden on March 21, 2017, 06:45:36 PM
Anyone know of a place selling Indian mangoes in Miami-Dade (or if I were so lucky, Monroe County) in FL?

Anyone here ever successfully sprout such a mango seed purchased from a local store?

I have a Kesar tree, but it's only the first year in the ground here, and did not push out flowers anyway. So I've still never tasted one, but I'm generally a fan of Indian mangoes. I miss my days in the NYC tri-state area when I could get a variety of Indian mangoes right down the street, and for decent prices... I used to buy a box at a time! But alas, there is barely any Indian population way down here in extreme SFL.

go to any Indian Grocery store in Late April thru June and you will see Indian Mangoes there.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season starts in about 3 weeks!
Post by: simon_grow on April 15, 2017, 10:02:03 PM
Indian Mangos have arrived at Miramar Cash and Carry. They have Alphonso and Kesar. I'll update with more info later.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 15, 2017, 10:58:46 PM
Bao gave me the heads up that Miramar Cash and Carry received their shipment of Indian mangos so of course I had to check it out for myself. They had many cases of both Alphonso and Kesar but they were going pretty fast. I picked up a case of each variety and when I went to pay, the cashier opened each box to allow me to inspect for damaged fruit.

The fruit looked beautiful and they were mostly green with some yellow showing. The Kesars were $28.99 a case and the Alphonso's were $32.99 a case. It will be several days before they are ripe enough to eat but I'll definitely be reporting back with how they taste.

Simon

Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: bsbullie on April 15, 2017, 11:00:54 PM
Bao gave me the heads up that Miramar Cash and Carry received their shipment of Indian mangos so of course I had to check it out for myself. They had many cases of both Alphonso and Kesar but they were going pretty fast. I picked up a case of each variety and when I went to pay, the cashier opened each box to allow me to inspect for damaged fruit.

The fruit looked beautiful and they were mostly green with some yellow showing. The Kesars were $28.99 a case and the Alphonso's were $32.99 a case. It will be several days before they are ripe enough to eat but I'll definitely be reporting back with how they taste.

Simon

Cheaper and I would rather have the Kesar.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 15, 2017, 11:01:59 PM
Here are some pictures of the Alphonso
(https://s12.postimg.org/6ct8u6vdl/IMG_1933.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6ct8u6vdl/)

(https://s12.postimg.org/73qkdpn4p/IMG_1934.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/73qkdpn4p/)
Here's the Kesar

(https://s22.postimg.org/qdlmxht3h/IMG_1937.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/qdlmxht3h/)
Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 15, 2017, 11:06:02 PM
Bao gave me the heads up that Miramar Cash and Carry received their shipment of Indian mangos so of course I had to check it out for myself. They had many cases of both Alphonso and Kesar but they were going pretty fast. I picked up a case of each variety and when I went to pay, the cashier opened each box to allow me to inspect for damaged fruit.

The fruit looked beautiful and they were mostly green with some yellow showing. The Kesars were $28.99 a case and the Alphonso's were $32.99 a case. It will be several days before they are ripe enough to eat but I'll definitely be reporting back with how they taste.

Simon

Cheaper and I would rather have the Kesar.

I also prefer Kesar over Alphonso. It would be a miracle if none of the Alphonso's have internal breakdown.

On the Boxes, they also have listed "Badami" but I didn't see any for sale.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: shaneatwell on April 18, 2017, 11:40:24 AM
Had some Kesar's last night. Fantastic! Like no other mango I'd ever tasted. Super citrusy and something else there, turpentine? I kept thinking surinam cherries and durian.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: mangokothiyan on April 18, 2017, 12:03:36 PM


I got about 150 mangoes off my Kesar tree last year. This year, I won't get as much, but it is a reliable producer of top quality fruit. I planted the tree in late 2012.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: boxturtle on April 18, 2017, 02:30:00 PM
any place in OC garden grove , or orange?
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 18, 2017, 06:38:07 PM
Shane, I'm glad this shipment is good quality. Did you pick your up at Miramar Cash and Carry?

Mangokothiyan, that's a lot of Kesar Mangos, I'm glad to hear it grows well, produces well and is of good quality when grown in Florida.  Because the quality of Alphonso is poor when grown in Florida and SoCal, I was worried about Kesar.

Boxturtle, they should have Indian Mangos in some of your local Indian Supermarket. My friend in the Anaheim area picked up a couple cases but when he went back yesterday, he got the last box so call first.

I couldn't wait any longer so I cut into an Alphonso last night and it was way underripe. It will be several more days before they will be ready. Illl report back when they are ripe.
Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: mangokothiyan on April 18, 2017, 07:10:52 PM

I planted the Alphonso and pulled it out after 3-4 years. Lots of flowers but not even one fruit. And the fruit I tasted from another Alphonso tree was just about average. Kesar, though, is another story. Great tasting and pretty looking fruit. The fruit has really good keeping quality too.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: Future on April 18, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
If Imam Passand shows up, I'm flying to Cali.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: shaneatwell on April 18, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Simon, yes on cash and carry.

I got closer on the flavor. It's citrus plus lychee. Aromatic. And something at the end I still can't figure out.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: Samu on April 18, 2017, 11:31:39 PM
You guys in San Diego are in luck!
I have not found any Indian markets in Orange county that have them...hmm...!
Like to taste some Kesar too...
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: shaneatwell on April 19, 2017, 12:53:56 AM
Namaste plaza in Irvine advertised them 4 days ago.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: Samu on April 19, 2017, 12:59:35 AM
Thanks Shane, I'll go check them tomorrow!
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: Samu on April 20, 2017, 03:33:12 PM
Just came back from Namaste, Irvine: no Alphonso nor Kesar..., only "Banganpalli".
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 20, 2017, 05:26:20 PM
Banganpalli is not bad, it has some Indian Resin flavor and is sweet. Ask them when they will get their next shipment. You may want to perform a google search for Indian Supermarkets around your area and then calling them first before making the trip.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: shaneatwell on April 20, 2017, 10:33:47 PM
Sign up for their email alerts. I have it somewhere if you can't find it online.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: Samu on April 20, 2017, 10:56:32 PM
I checked 3 largest Indian markets in Orange County (CA), and called ahead 2 days ago
and was informed that none have them.
I did a quick stop at Namaste today, taking my chance, since it's near Home Depot
where I was. I'll check again and post when I find them...
Thank you both Simon and Shane!
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 21, 2017, 03:05:03 PM
Is there a Farm Fresh by you? That is where my friend picked up his Kesars.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 22, 2017, 12:29:49 AM
It's been relatively cool at my house, today is the first really warm day so it's been taking my mangos a while to ripen. I picked several Alphonso and Kesars and left them in my warm car for several hours to warm them up so that they will ripen faster. I was finally able satisfy my craving for Indian Mangos tonight.

First up was the Alphonso. These are the early season fruit and the smell was not very strong until I cut the fruit open. The color is also not as dark as the later season fruit but the taste was still very good. The Alphonso had a Brix of 18% and was very good but definitely not at its peak. I got sweetness and Indian resin but the Indian resin component was mostly concentrated right up next to the thin skin. For an early season Alphonso, I was very satisfied.
(https://s2.postimg.org/dsp7djjit/IMG_1970.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/dsp7djjit/)

Next up was the Kesar, again for an early season mango, it was very satisfying although not at its peak. It also had a Brix reading of 18%, both varieties don't really reach their peak flavor until they hit 19-20% Brix. Kesar is a notch below Alphonso in terms of the depth and complexity of the Indian resin component but in my personal opinion, Kesar is better tasting overall because of the richness of its sweet and acidic components. These mangos were very good but I know they will get better as the season progresses.

There's a lot to be happy about, mango season is here!

Simon
(https://s24.postimg.org/o6niedfy9/IMG_1971.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/o6niedfy9/)
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: alangr088 on April 22, 2017, 05:09:07 PM
(https://s24.postimg.org/cfqvn0zgx/IMG_3790.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/cfqvn0zgx/)

They had Kesar and another mango that starts with the B and Manilas

At
https://www.yelp.com/biz/pioneer-cash-and-carry-artesia?uid=OEEwE9qhuT4XwUKl1LzpKw&utm_source=ishare&utm_medium=s_nb_i_mgb (https://www.yelp.com/biz/pioneer-cash-and-carry-artesia?uid=OEEwE9qhuT4XwUKl1LzpKw&utm_source=ishare&utm_medium=s_nb_i_mgb)
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: GrassFlats on April 22, 2017, 06:45:17 PM
Does anyone know if there are any Indian stores in the Orlando area that have these Indian mangoes?
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: Samu on April 22, 2017, 10:30:54 PM
Got a box of Kesar from Namaste, Irvine today for $29.99 with 11 mangos inside.
(No alphonso, but they also have few boxes of Banganpalli and "Mahajarit" -I think?-  that I didn't buy).
 
I like the multiple coloration so far; very appealing. Not much smell, yet.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ze1h02Ol.jpg)

Looking forward to taste them in a couple of days... ;D
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: wslau on April 22, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
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They had Kesar and another mango that starts with the B and Manilas

At
https://www.yelp.com/biz/pioneer-cash-and-carry-artesia?uid=OEEwE9qhuT4XwUKl1LzpKw&utm_source=ishare&utm_medium=s_nb_i_mgb (https://www.yelp.com/biz/pioneer-cash-and-carry-artesia?uid=OEEwE9qhuT4XwUKl1LzpKw&utm_source=ishare&utm_medium=s_nb_i_mgb)

Looks like the stash at Pioneer Cash and Carry in Artesia.  $25 for a box of 11 kesar and $27 for a box of about 8 Benganpali (side of box was also stamped badami).  Pretty good prices compared to last year (last year was $40 for banganpalli).  Most fruit reports from friends said they were very green...needing about 4-5 days to ripen.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: ricshaw on April 23, 2017, 12:43:38 AM
I am going to be in Los Angeles tomorrow.
If I have time, I am going to look for an Indian Market.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: mangomandan on April 23, 2017, 08:21:15 AM
Yesterday I bought a box of Kay Bee brand Kesar mangoes, from an Indian grocery store in West Palm Beach.

I was surprised when the grocer retrieved the case from a refrigerated room. They were cold. I have just emailed Kay Bee to see if they ship their mangoes already ripe.   Otherwise, I'm assuming that the cold will prevent them from reaching their potential.

I ate one last night. It was good but not excellent. Since I've never had Kesar mangoes before I have nothing to compare it to.     ???
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 23, 2017, 08:31:19 AM
I also believe that refrigeration harms the ripening process. These early Kesars and Alphonso's are very good but not excellent yet. The mid season fruit are excellent. The Kesars and Alphonso's usually give off a sweet aroma with some Indian twang when it is ripe for eating. The flesh color should also have a slightly orange tinge that gets darker as it approaches ripeness. If the flesh color is a dull yellow, the fruit is either not ripe or it was harvested pre maturely.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: Mark in Texas on April 23, 2017, 09:23:29 AM
Yeah, I question that refrigeration process based on the awful fruit we get in the store.  If like tomatoes  and you leave them off the tree for any length of time, whether it be to store them commercially or ripen them on a counter, put them in cold conditions and then bring them out to ripen some more, there may be an enzyme created that ruins the texture.  That enzyme from warm->cold->warm again for a tomato turns the texture to mush.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: Squam256 on April 23, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
Studies have shown that mangos start to get chilling injury below 55F. Unfortunately along the cold supply chain they often get stored with fruits that can tolerate significantly lower storage temps than this, which will impact the final brix of the fruit.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: ricshaw on April 23, 2017, 06:26:54 PM
I am going to be in Los Angeles tomorrow.
If I have time, I am going to look for an Indian Market.

So I stopped today at this little Indian grocery store on Venice Blvd. called Kavita Grocery.  When I asked if he had any Indian Mangos, he said; Too early. The man said he should get some in in about two weeks.  I bet they will be expensive.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 23, 2017, 08:05:13 PM
I just stopped by Miramar Cash and Carry to pick up some more Kesars but they are all out. They did have plenty of Banganpalli(Badami) for $25.99 for a box of 9 fruit. I picked up a box of the Badami, I guess this is an alternative name for Banganpalli.

The cashier said they will be receiving their next shipment of Kesars on Thursday. I'll report back on the taste of the Badami when they ripen up.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 23, 2017, 08:07:08 PM
Badami
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Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: Tropicdude on April 24, 2017, 01:20:22 PM
Yesterday I bought a box of Kay Bee brand Kesar mangoes, from an Indian grocery store in West Palm Beach.

I was surprised when the grocer retrieved the case from a refrigerated room. They were cold. I have just emailed Kay Bee to see if they ship their mangoes already ripe.   Otherwise, I'm assuming that the cold will prevent them from reaching their potential.

I ate one last night. It was good but not excellent. Since I've never had Kesar mangoes before I have nothing to compare it to.     ???

not sure what system these people are using,  but some fruit exporters are adopting, newer quality control measures.   the old traditional method,  packing houses receive fruit from the orchards,  measure brix,  then determine from that , at what temperature the fruit need to be in shipping, to prevent them from ripening in transit.
the main problem here, is that shippers to be on the safe side, will push for pickers to pick fruit sooner,  or will refrigerate colder than normal. these fruit are often received at destination, too soon,  and supermarkets just store them until they look good for the selves.  this storage also is not desired by supermarket chains and distributors.

Newer quality control measures,    The packing house will receive fruit, measure brix,   but now use a formula, for that particular variety, and destination.   they will in some cases "haste" the ripening, using ethylene. ( this is the natural process used by fruit ) take note that this is not the dangerous Calcium carbide artificial ripening.  also must understand they are not actually ripening them before hand.  what they are doing is synchronizing the ripening stage of the fruit.  this and adjusting them so the fruit will not have to be refrigerated at lower temperatures,  they also time it so fruit will arrive at "ready to be sold" stage.  this removes the possibility of bad storage practices at the supermarkets or distributors,  temperature sensors are stored in random boxes,  these record the whole shipping,  at destination, they can pop these in a computer and the buyer "knows" what these fruit have gone through.

In other words,  both buyers and shippers are working to improve quality of fruit for end consumer,  a poor little mango goes through a lot of sh*t before it reaches your kitchen table.  when it comes from across the planet.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: behlgarden on April 24, 2017, 02:24:23 PM
I just stopped by Miramar Cash and Carry to pick up some more Kesars but they are all out. They did have plenty of Banganpalli(Badami) for $25.99 for a box of 9 fruit. I picked up a box of the Badami, I guess this is an alternative name for Banganpalli.

The cashier said they will be receiving their next shipment of Kesars on Thursday. I'll report back on the taste of the Badami when they ripen up.

Simon

Simon, Badami is Alphonso name from Southern India. However, these boxes were pre-printed and they did not have one for Bengalpali I guess. That is why you are putting stickers on it.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 27, 2017, 02:50:19 PM
Miramar Cash and Carry were supposed to get their shipment of Kesar mangos today but I just called them and they have not received it in yet. They said they will have it in by the weekend.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: GrassFlats on April 28, 2017, 01:53:32 PM
Found Kesar mangoes at Spiceland in Lake Mary....$35 for a box of 11 fruits
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: behlgarden on April 28, 2017, 04:29:58 PM
Simon,

its been 8 days since I bought my Kesar box and they are still green, getting soft but not ripening to where they are ready. Did you find that to be an issue? usually this happens when Mango is picked way too early and sometimes it never gets to perfect ripening and sugars.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 28, 2017, 04:47:12 PM
These early Kesars are not as good as last years. Some of mine are still green on the outside but they are ripe on the inside. They are ripe on the inside but the flesh color is pale and the quality is not as good. The first ones to ripen were more yellow in color and tasted pretty good but these later ripening green ones are sub par. I'm hoping the next shipment will be much better.

The Banganpalli should be ready soon so I'll report back with taste report as soon as I cut them open.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: wslau on April 28, 2017, 05:54:01 PM
These early Kesars are not as good as last years. Some of mine are still green on the outside but they are ripe on the inside. They are ripe on the inside but the flesh color is pale and the quality is not as good. The first ones to ripen were more yellow in color and tasted pretty good but these later ripening green ones are sub par. I'm hoping the next shipment will be much better.

The Banganpalli should be ready soon so I'll report back with taste report as soon as I cut them open.

Simon


Simon, Behl....the consensus this year is that the early kesars are much better than the early banganpalli.  So far, I'm one of the few that enjoyed the early banganpalli.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 28, 2017, 06:51:12 PM
Thanks for the report Warren! My Banganpallis were much more yellow when I purchased them compared to the Kesars. I'll report back tonight with the taste.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on April 28, 2017, 07:23:13 PM
I couldn't wait anymore so I cut into the Banganpalli mango and it was still slightly underripe although it did sweeten up. The Brix only read 16% but it really tasted like it was 19%. I found this mango to be great tasting with less fiber than Kesar.

Did anyone else notice the Kesars had quite a bit of fiber this year?

The First thing that hit me with the Banganpalli was the sweetness followed by the Indian resin taste. The Indian resin flavor profile is completely different than that of the Alphonso and Kesar if you ask me. The resin or turpene component is more one dimensional and does not linger on the tongue like the King and Queen. Some people are going to say I'm pulling this out of my ass but I'm going to put it out here anyways, I got notes of gasoline in the resin component of this mango, in a good way.

I know, I know, it sounds crazy and who in the world would want a gasoline tasting mango right? Well it's just a hint of gasoline in the Indian resin flavor component and it is very very minor and this is according to my palate. I have a sensitive palate and nose. It tastes very unique and is quite a nice change from the resin component of Alphonso and Kesar.

This mango is definitely worth trying

Simon
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Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: boxturtle on April 28, 2017, 08:29:50 PM
thanks guys for the heads up was able to score a box of alphonso and banganaballi.   This is my first time ever tasting mango besides the usual that are available at the local market.   The alphonso was phenomenal! Sweet and a whole lot of favor! The banganaballi flavor was very light and floral it was sweet but didn't pack a punch like the alphonso.   The box of alphonso was more consistent with flavor.  Where as the banganaballi was all over the place.  The first two banganaballi was bland.  Like Simon says probably picked way to early.  Two hand spots like a ripe banana was delicious and her flavorful.  Both had that what I believe you guys describe as the Indian resin but it was more pronounced in the banganaballi.   I think it's partially the flavors in alphonso was a lot stronger and loud.  If you guys say that the Kesar taste better then the alphonso I have been missing out on a piece of heaven all my life.  Like I said my taste buds was already blown away by alphonso.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: bsbullie on April 29, 2017, 12:27:27 AM
Yes, I noticed the Kesar had a significant level of fibre that was bordering unpleasant.   Nothing like the Kesar grown here.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: Mark in Texas on May 03, 2017, 08:09:06 AM
Got a box of Kesar from Namaste, Irvine today for $29.99 with 11 mangos inside.
(No alphonso, but they also have few boxes of Banganpalli and "Mahajarit" -I think?-  that I didn't buy).
 
I like the multiple coloration so far; very appealing. Not much smell, yet.

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Looking forward to taste them in a couple of days... ;D


Thinking they were too expensive aka "not knowing any better" I passed up on a fresh box of Kesar, 12 to a box, each about 250 grams for $26.  San Antonio Indian bazaar store.   They looked beautiful.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: behlgarden on May 03, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
As suspected, the early Kesar are not that good. they never turned deep yellow  nor did they get high brix. Will buy again in late June/July
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: shaneatwell on May 03, 2017, 10:44:16 AM
I bought two boxes from the first shipment and had 3 or 4 fantastic ones from the first box, the rest including the entire 2nd box were so-so.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: EvilFruit on May 16, 2017, 02:58:18 PM
Here is some of the mangoes i have tried from the Asian supermarket.

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From right to left

Rajapuri
Imam Passand
Mallika
Omelette mango
Kesar
Okrung (From kenya or Thailand)
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: EvilFruit on May 16, 2017, 03:09:52 PM
I also tried Ammani Mango (India)

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Water Lily (Malaysia)

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Mulgoba Mango (india).More info from wiki ( It is generally considered to be one of the best mangoes, the "Alphonso of South India"). I will try it soon.

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Sindooram mango

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Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on May 16, 2017, 04:40:44 PM
Please let us know which ones are your favorites. I have been disappointed with the quality of Kesar and Banganpalli this year as they seem to have been picked under ripe and the internal color was not a deep orange in the Kesar, instead, it was more of a pale yellow. I'm considering ordering some Mulgova and Sindrhi.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: EvilFruit on May 17, 2017, 03:42:42 PM
Please let us know which ones are your favorites. I have been disappointed with the quality of Kesar and Banganpalli this year as they seem to have been picked under ripe and the internal color was not a deep orange in the Kesar, instead, it was more of a pale yellow. I'm considering ordering some Mulgova and Sindrhi.

Simon

Kesar mango isn't as good as the last year crop. I remember Kesar was very good when I had it before and it was very close to Alphonso mango in sweetness and flavor,imo.

Malgova mango was a total surprise for me.It was Very sweet with nice/pleasant citrusy flavor.  it is highly underrated mango especially in here as no one in this forum is mentioning it. However, the total edible flesh is not great but still I believe this cultivar deserve more attention. Keep us updated if you can get it in California.

Here how I would rank the mangoes that I had mentioned in my previous posts.

-Best (worth growing)
Imam Passand
Mallika
Mulgoba Mango
Kesar (in 2016  ;D)

-Good (cool to have it, if you have lots of sapce)
Rajapuri
Omelette mango
Okrung

-bad (not worth the space)
Ammani Mango

-Burn it.
Water Lily
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on June 12, 2017, 05:46:25 PM
I've been underwhelmed by the quality of the Indian Mangos this year. The mangos came in early but the quality was not as good as 2016 because these mangos appear to have been picked too early and did not reach the Brix levels of the last couple years that I have been reporting on them. The last couple cases of Alphonso, Kesar and Banganpalli were all decent quality but not good enough to make me crave them and purchase case after case like I did in 2016.

Can anyone report back on the quality of the late season fruit for varieties like Kesar? I called Miramar Cash and Carry and they said they still have Kesars.

I was just sent an email from MangoZZ.com and I find their reports on the progression of Indian Mango season very useful. I like their report not because they tell you which mango varieties are good but because they tell you which varieties weren't so good this season and a reason why they felt the quality was less than expected.

Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on June 12, 2017, 08:13:32 PM
I rolled the dice a bought a box. I'll report back on the quality of these later season fruit. The fruit already looks better because they are not super green.

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Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: JF on June 12, 2017, 08:38:03 PM
I rolled the dice a bought a box. I'll report back on the quality of these later season fruit. The fruit already looks better because they are not super green.

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Simon
kesar were subpar a few black inside the others as you reported below average compare to last few years
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: behlgarden on June 13, 2017, 10:16:52 AM
I rolled the dice a bought a box. I'll report back on the quality of these later season fruit. The fruit already looks better because they are not super green.

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Simon

I was disappointed from my 2 boxes I got in May, not going to spend another $25/box. I got delicious ataulfo from market $6/box of 16 plus mangoes, plus seeds for rootstock  ??? ???
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: EvilFruit on June 15, 2017, 07:08:41 PM
I've been underwhelmed by the quality of the Indian Mangos this year. The mangos came in early but the quality was not as good as 2016 because these mangos appear to have been picked too early and did not reach the Brix levels of the last couple years that I have been reporting on them. The last couple cases of Alphonso, Kesar and Banganpalli were all decent quality but not good enough to make me crave them and purchase case after case like I did in 2016.

Can anyone report back on the quality of the late season fruit for varieties like Kesar? I called Miramar Cash and Carry and they said they still have Kesars.

I was just sent an email from MangoZZ.com and I find their reports on the progression of Indian Mango season very useful. I like their report not because they tell you which mango varieties are good but because they tell you which varieties weren't so good this season and a reason why they felt the quality was less than expected.

Simon

I tried Alphonso two days ago and it was good. The second batch of Kesar was a lot better,imo.
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on June 16, 2017, 01:02:16 AM
Evilfruit,
I agree, this later season fruit is so much better. I just cut open my first fruit from the latest box
And it was incredibly delicious. It had a Brix of 20.5% and had just the perfect amount of Indian resin flavor to balance the sweetness. The flesh was melting and super juicy, perhaps a bit over ripe. This fruit had very broad shoulders, I hope the other skinnier fruit are just as good as this one.

Unfortunately this is probably the last of the Kesars for this year, I'm going to call Miramar Cash and Carry to see if they will be getting any more This season. These later season fruit are the same quality that I remember from last year.


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Simon
Title: Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
Post by: simon_grow on June 18, 2017, 01:18:48 PM
I stopped by Miramar Cash and Carry yesterday and they got another shipment of Kesar and Banganpalli mangos. These late season Kesar are excellent quality and all the fruit have filled in shoulders and some of the fruit are almost completely yellow with some just showing a blush of yellow. The average Brix is about 20% and these late season fruit are as good as the ones from last year. Unfortunately, this may be the last shipment of the year depending on wether or not they can acquire more from the supplier.


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Simon