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Angie is an excellent mango in the carrie line. But, I would also nominate sunrise as a carrie alternative. That said, there's nothing quite like a carrie.

Super Julie (Fairchild Ruby?) has an overpowering resin component as far as I'm concerned, almost makes me want to toss my tacos (ie, retch). Take away the resin, and it's a good mango. My wife likes it though.

I love the Super Julie. Itís become one of my favorite mangos.

Another Carrie alternate I forgot about is Val-Carrie, which also can be a little stronger than Carrie.

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Another potential piece to the puzzle here is the fact that my carrie, when it was producing poorly, would always set fruit extremely well on the late (eg, March) blooms. I had theorized that the higher temps of March gave the tree better access to nutrition.

Yes Iíve observed this effect as well actually.

At any rate they are finicky producers even when well cared for (our trees certainly are) and there are more than enough alternatives in the same flavor group that I no longer recommend them to people. Too many drawbacks beyond just the production issues.

Just curious, what varieties do you recommend for people like myself that love Carrie mangoes?

Angie, J-12/Super Julie, Juliette, and Ugly Betty are all alternatives. The first 3 show the most promise (havenít seen enough out of Ugly Betty yet).


I have Ugly Betty. The fruit is bigger and better than the Carrie, in my opinion, and it flowers heavily. often thrice during a season. But not a great producer.

Yes, Ugly Bettyís production is questionable at this point.

Super Julie is a vigorous grower with an outward spreading canopy. I could see them getting quite large if they arenít pruned right. They should become available this spring.

Juliette is more medium in vigor, probably a mid-size tree. It couldnít Fruit for me in Loxahatchee due to anthracnose but seems to fruit well in less-humid Homestead and in West Boynton, and of course thrives in West Palm. Itís basically a late-er season Carrie with smaller fruit but better shelf life.

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Another potential piece to the puzzle here is the fact that my carrie, when it was producing poorly, would always set fruit extremely well on the late (eg, March) blooms. I had theorized that the higher temps of March gave the tree better access to nutrition.

Yes Iíve observed this effect as well actually.

At any rate they are finicky producers even when well cared for (our trees certainly are) and there are more than enough alternatives in the same flavor group that I no longer recommend them to people. Too many drawbacks beyond just the production issues.

Just curious, what varieties do you recommend for people like myself that love Carrie mangoes?

Angie, J-12/Super Julie, Juliette, and Ugly Betty are all alternatives. The first 3 show the most promise (havenít seen enough out of Ugly Betty yet).

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Another potential piece to the puzzle here is the fact that my carrie, when it was producing poorly, would always set fruit extremely well on the late (eg, March) blooms. I had theorized that the higher temps of March gave the tree better access to nutrition.

Yes Iíve observed this effect as well actually.

At any rate they are finicky producers even when well cared for (our trees certainly are) and there are more than enough alternatives in the same flavor group that I no longer recommend them to people. Too many drawbacks beyond just the production issues.

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We like a cold dry winter for dormancy for mangoes and lychees in South Florida. This leads to a better bloom.
Various Caribbean islands such as Haiti and Jamaica have warmer winters than Florida. How do they get decent mango production with nil or no dormancy? Is it the mango varieties that they grow?

Correct. Haitian cultivars bloom quite easily. Julie and East Indian are a couple West Indian Mangos that bloom with ease.

It is worth noting however that mangos generally donít yield as well in the tropics as they do in the sub-tropics. People are sometimes surprised to learn that mangos produce better in Florida on a per-hectare basis than they do in places like the Philippines and Thailand, and wouldnít be commercially viable in certain areas without potassium nitrate.

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That's odd. I've got strong bloom, despite hurricane Irma and the late Sept pruning that followed. Even my lychees, which got blown apart from Irma have scattered blooms. The cold we had this winter has been phenomenal.

Just some scattered blooms on the Carrie and on the Coconut Cream (coco-cream has new vegetative growth now emerging too). The Pickering has one flower, but is mostly dormant. Both of my NDM's are still dormant with swollen buds. All of my other mango trees (lemon zest, glenn, and valencia pride) are just producing vegetative growth. The hurricane screwed up this mango season for me.

Larger, older  trees are flowering well across the state other than non-producers like Mulgoba and Bombay. Younger trees are flowering at different rates depending on cultivar. Precocious types such as the Julie descendants (Carrie,Pickering, Angie, Dwarf Hawaiian  etc) flowered profusely for the most part. The less precocious stuff, Old classics like Van Dyke, Baileyís Marvel, etc are seeing partial blooms as young trees. Most Egyptian types, the aforementioned Bombay and Mulgoba, along with some other ď bloom insensitiveĒ types and trees that lost too many leaves from Irma are completely failing to flower.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too many male flowers on Sunrise
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:28:42 PM »
Carrie trees here opened almost exclusively male this year. Awful.

I noticed this evening that I have the same issue on my Carrie. Flowers almost exclusively male. A friend of mine who lives in Coral Springs told me his tree has the same issue.

The last two years, production on my Carrie was way down, even though I sprayed liberally with copper. And now, this.

Itís been a problem on most Carries for years. This may just be how they respond to hot temps following panicle emergence.

Probably going to topwork most of them this year (10 trees).

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Highs in the 80s for weeks now with lows around 70. Going to be overwhelmingly vegetative growth emerging going forward.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ambika mango in South Florida
« on: February 17, 2018, 09:59:47 AM »


Alex, have you tasted the fruit? What can you tell us about the growth habit of the tree?

I havenít tasted it yet but it is supposed to be very good.

It looks like a Medium vigor mango but too soon to make any conclusions.

Should know a lot more about it in a few years.

Alex, slightly off topic but do you and any info on how these do here:

Arka Puneet
Ratna
Au Rumani
Manjira

I was looking into Indian mangos one day and these seem to be developed for the most part in the southern states.
Since our winters are becoming less frequent I figured we should start growing more tropically adapted ones.
I figured they might do well enough here to justify growing or testing.

They all seem relatively old varieties though.

Our Arka Puneet looks terrible, just a stick that hasnít grown (not in the best spot either). Trying to revive it.

Those others we donít have. Do have Arka Neelkiran, which is healthy and has grown slowly and flowered each of the last 2 years so it appears precocious. Hoping to get Arka Anmol, Arka Aruna, Manjeera, AU Rumani, and possibly a new Puneet tree this year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Mango season 2017 has begun!
« on: February 16, 2018, 09:48:44 PM »
Have a question Amrapali and Banganapali are the same mango?

No.

But there are debates about other mango varieties being the same as banganpalli (like baneshan)

That oneís not even a debate, theyíre known to be the same.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too many male flowers on Sunrise
« on: February 16, 2018, 08:42:35 PM »
Carrie trees here opened almost exclusively male this year. Awful.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ambika mango in South Florida
« on: February 16, 2018, 08:51:51 AM »


Alex, have you tasted the fruit? What can you tell us about the growth habit of the tree?

I havenít tasted it yet but it is supposed to be very good.

It looks like a Medium vigor mango but too soon to make any conclusions.

Should know a lot more about it in a few years.


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White Piri:




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In Florida, it is thought that Pirie (or Pairi, or Paheri) is the same cultivar as the Jamaican ĎBombayí Mango.

Just for fun: Trini(dad) claims this one...too.

Itís probably from India anyways.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Orange Essence Mango AKA 40-33
« on: February 15, 2018, 07:44:15 PM »
Orange Essence is an outstanding fruit.

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White Pirie and Bombay I love ,both have a honey richness.The only draw back is Bombay does not always bloom well and have to trim well to keep growth in check.But good market for bombay

Yes, Bombay doesnít like to bloom completely here and ends up growing too much. I would think itís a good Mango for California, if they control the powdery mildew.

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In Florida, it is thought that Pirie (or Pairi, or Paheri) is the same cultivar as the Jamaican ĎBombayí Mango. It is definitely different from ĎWhite Pirií, which was presumably derived from Piri in Hawaii.

White Piri is larger, lacks a beak, and has more of a pastel coloring. Itís also superior to Piri in flavor in my opinion: sweeter/higher brix, more complex. Itís become one of my favorites. The tree is also less vigorous than Piri/Bombay.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Tree Oozing Brownish Orange Sap
« on: February 14, 2018, 06:58:05 PM »
If your low was 39F then that is not freeze damage.

Let us know if thereís any stem dieback.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: If you like PINA COLADAS
« on: February 14, 2018, 06:40:28 PM »
Is it normal for this tree to (or any mango tree for that matter) to produce flowers directly after new flush? I thought mine was going to disappoint because it only produced 3 flowers and the rest turned into new flush, but now it appears in the center of the new flush some flowers are appearing and even some new flush that actually has flowers on the stalk directly below the flush. Is this normal?

Yes, happens to lots of mangos whenever cold weather is followed by hot weather, which all our winters have been like for the last 5 years or whatever.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Information on OTMO mango
« on: February 13, 2018, 08:13:56 AM »
I just recently picked up a tree from Excalibur and noticed a faded letter OTMO on the side of the container.
Anyone have information on this variety would be greatly appreciated..

I had a tree from them Labelled ďOTMĒ. Based on foliage I speculated it to be ďOkrung TongĒ. Didnít fruit while I had it.

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As your competition, I hope you plant lots of Keitt and Lemon Zest   8)


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango talk near Bradenton tomorrow 2/12
« on: February 11, 2018, 06:52:00 PM »
Any chance it will be recorded?

Doubt it. But maybe someone will.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango talk near Bradenton tomorrow 2/12
« on: February 11, 2018, 12:07:21 PM »
Just a heads up for anyone who might be interested, Iíll be giving a talk to the Manatee Rare Fruit Council on mangos tomorrow at 7pm. The location is:
1303 17th St W, Palmetto, FL 34221

This talk will differ slightly from the one I gave in Venice last month as it will include some history of Mangos in Manatee County along with some disease updates.

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Did not really pay attention this year. Lemon Zest put out a ton of flowers - tree fully loaded. Just today walking by noticed not too pretty of a sight - appears to be full of powdery mildew. I don't want to spray sulfur at this point as a lot of flowers are open/fragrant right now. Is there anything that can be done or just hold by breath and wait for the flowers to run their course?




Spray the sulfur right now but itís probably too late. Should have been done when the panicles and flowers were emerging.

Lemon Zest is horrific when it comes to PM. Zill wonít even be grafting it anymore because of how disease prone it is.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: If you like PINA COLADAS
« on: February 07, 2018, 08:01:06 PM »
Ours has fruited ok the last 2 years despite growing in a bad spot.

Itís too small for commercial growing but the flavor is incredible.

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