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Alex, you said that your customers find Carrie and Angie indistinguishable.  How about you?  Do think Angie is as sweet?  (I don't.)

Yes. Angie has compared very favorably to Carrie for me, though I don’t get to eat them as much as I like (they all get sold). Now something to consider is that weather conditions at time of harvest, horticultural practices and harvesting time can all have an impact on a cvs flavor and it may be that Angie is more sensitive to changes in the above.

I’ve found that Indians and Caribbean customers love the Angie and find it a more than acceptable alternative to the Carrie.

If we were to take 5 properly ripened Angie and carries, cut them up and put them on separate unlabeled plates, I feel most people wouldn’t be able to tell which was which.


Alex - I will take your word for it that the ones myself & Sulcata grove have tried may not have been Angie at it's best, but are you saying nobody else has ever said they tasted like cooked carrots?   Thanks.  : )

I’ve never tasted carrot in angie. I have in other mangos though (such as Baptiste and improperly picked Mallika).

I don’t know if the Welsch’s like the Carrie flavor or not, but if they don’t they are almost guaranteed to dislike Angie.

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Alex, you said that your customers find Carrie and Angie indistinguishable.  How about you?  Do think Angie is as sweet?  (I don't.)

Yes. Angie has compared very favorably to Carrie for me, though I don’t get to eat them as much as I like (they all get sold). Now something to consider is that weather conditions at time of harvest, horticultural practices and harvesting time can all have an impact on a cvs flavor and it may be that Angie is more sensitive to changes in the above.

I’ve found that Indians and Caribbean customers love the Angie and find it a more than acceptable alternative to the Carrie.

If we were to take 5 properly ripened Angie and carries, cut them up and put them on separate unlabeled plates, I feel most people wouldn’t be able to tell which was which.

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I think part of the attraction to Carrie is that a lot of people from India simply accept that we don't how to pronounce and write their word "Keri", which is a name for mango!  I often have to explain who it is named after.

We get unrelated indian customers from all over the place who call it “Kari Kari” (two words). Cecil Brumfield apparently doesn’t get these though and his Indian customers just call it by one word.

However Most of the Indian demand for Carrie is due to its flavor profile being the closest to Alphonso that they can get here.

The rest of the Carrie demand is Jamaican/Caribbean and approximately 40-50% of Americans, with the remainder despising it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best mango varieties for high rainfall
« on: August 07, 2018, 10:32:56 AM »
Australians think KP is special because it’s what they know and are raised with, and they’re comparing it to stuff like Palmer, Irwin, Keitt et al. 70 year old, long outdated technology.

It’s like existing in 2018 and comparing a sedan built in 1985 with one built in 1945. “Hey look, my ‘85 has air conditioning and an am/fm radio!”

Kensington Pride makes me want to take a nap.

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Excuse my ignorance, but what does PPK stand for? Thanks.

Po Pyu Kalay, from Myanmar/Burma.  Also called "Lemon Meringue."  My question: Who came up with the name "LM?"  Was it the Zills?

Yes

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Alex - Squam how are your 50ft high Edward mango trees doing these days? They were amazing when I visited in April a few years ago. Obviously before edible mango season, the Edwards wiere loaded with walnut sized. I used the words "mango cathedral"  here and they were. Your Edward grove was quiet. The winds were quiet and it was full loaded.

They actually still have fruit on them now in August, which is quite unusual. They’ve been producing reasonably well this year.

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So Alex, "Mounds" was written on the mango and also said "M4", was it actually M4 or E4?

M-4. I didn’t write that.

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The coconut doesn’t come out as much when they’re harvested that green. Same for coconut cream for that matter.

“Mounds” was actually what I nicknamed E-4. M-4 I’ve had in mind “Coconut Dream” since we apparently can’t just give Mangos regular names anymore.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: August 01, 2018, 02:16:01 PM »
Had an exceptional M-4 today.

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Have 10 or so Orange Sherbert mango seeds, dehusked and cleaned. $5 a seed + shipping

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OS is good but Lemon Zest is definitely a little better imo

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 36-8 Mango
« on: July 22, 2018, 07:06:11 PM »
It’s a Zill-80 seedling and tastes like Zill-80.

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I tasted it (courtesy of fellow gardener who brought back some from Florida and was kind enough to share with me). It was very sweet and piney, reminded me of Kesar. those who had this at its peak might be able to confirm. just now that Zills is putting out boat load of buckets of this variety, it might be peak time to try. locals should hit Zills and get few and confirm their findings. Kesar here in So Cal so far has not been able to get brix enough to compare to India's. this might be an alternative.

It does not taste like Kesar. It belongs in the classic-acidic group with fruit punch and Zill-80.
Piney like kesar, Fruit Punch is not piney I believe.

Gets a faint resinous component (as does 36-8) at certain stages of ripeness but it’s nothing like Kesar.

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I tasted it (courtesy of fellow gardener who brought back some from Florida and was kind enough to share with me). It was very sweet and piney, reminded me of Kesar. those who had this at its peak might be able to confirm. just now that Zills is putting out boat load of buckets of this variety, it might be peak time to try. locals should hit Zills and get few and confirm their findings. Kesar here in So Cal so far has not been able to get brix enough to compare to India's. this might be an alternative.

It does not taste like Kesar. It belongs in the classic-acidic group with fruit punch and Zill-80.

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When you were at ZHPP, did anyone happen to say whether they would have any Cotton Candy mangos available anytime soon???  That's one fruit I'd like to taste!

Didn’t see any this morning, & I forgot to ask 😓😣. Tons of crates of Orange Sherbet, half a crate of Van Dyke, & an almost full container of 36-8 (I think was the number).

If it's 36-8...does anyone have comments on this one?  I don't have any notes on this.  Thx.

This is one that got named “India”. Gary likes it’s commercial potential. I’m wary of it because of the Zill-80 parentage that it shares with Fruit Punch, and this potentially it’s susceptibility to MBBS and rot.

It has an outstanding shelf life though, very productive and good enough flavor that we're Growing it for evaluation.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
« on: July 20, 2018, 08:58:45 AM »
What about diease resistance, to MBBS?

It appears pretty resistant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Future's Florida Fruit Feast 8
« on: July 18, 2018, 09:22:33 PM »
+rep for Cac.

Also Cac, as we know it in Florida, is most likely Xoai Cat Chu.

Did you get to taste Cat Hoi loc? I wanted to see how it compares to Cac

Not as good

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Future's Florida Fruit Feast 8
« on: July 18, 2018, 05:57:32 PM »
+rep for Cac.

Also Cac, as we know it in Florida, is most likely Xoai Cat Chu.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: July 18, 2018, 12:09:45 PM »
If your evaluation is correct for all the fruit trees being grown, that would be a downer. I have an M-4 and if it tastes like pineapple, that tree will be gone the next day.

He said E-4, not M-4.

As far as this E-4/Sugarloaf tasting of pineapple, I think this is largely due to a combination of the fruit being picked very green coupled with people cutting it on the less-ripe side out of eagerness to sample it.

E-4 that are harvested when they break “yellow” color and ripened in a couple days taste distinctively coconutty.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: July 17, 2018, 10:39:43 PM »
the Sugarloaf trees look more productive than Coconut cream. M-4 at a minimum looks a lot more precocious than Coconut cream and in “on” years the original tree’s yields are extremely heavy. It’s a better mango frankly and so is Sugarloaf, which is much more consistent than coconut cream and seems more forgiving about when it is harvested.

I kind of wish the “coconut cream” name had been saved for one of those two rather than C-20.

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We’re growing Shwehintha. It’s pretty good. Similar flavor to Maha Chanok.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream mango
« on: July 17, 2018, 12:15:22 AM »
Ice cream is great. The fruit are small so you’re left wanting more

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 3 mango Talks This Week
« on: July 13, 2018, 11:15:19 AM »
Bump for tonight’s talk in West Palm Beach.

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Angie and Carrie are extremely popular with Indians and Jamaicans/Trinis (people who disproportionately buy mangos), and relatively unpopular among Americans (people who account for a minority of Mango buyers).

I happen to love both Angie and Carrie, and when I’ve conducted taste tests with other people, they struggled to tell the difference. I doubt most people here could in a blind tasting either.

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MBBS showed up when it wasn’t raining at all in large sections of 2017. It doesn’t appear to require much moisture.

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