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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mamey- another year?
« on: August 04, 2017, 06:10:15 PM »
Its the middle of winter here and we're pushing zones a bit so shes looking a little yellow, but what do you think. Pull off the fruit and get another year of growth?













Green sapote grafted on seems to handle the cold




Nectarine (sunraycer) on the other end of the climate scale




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / First fruit: Rollinia
« on: March 16, 2017, 10:22:49 PM »
Just harvested my first home grown rollinia. Thought I would share some pics from seedling to fruit


21/02/2015- newly planted rollinia on right and soursop on left by fence




27/11/2015- espalier frame installed




22/12/2016- setting fruit, no hand pollenation


















17/03/2017
Picked the first one, still setting more fruits. Unfortunately the flavor was not the best, sweet but not alot of the lemony tang I have had in other rollinia.  On the plus side it set heavily without any hand pollenation,  few seeds and firmer flesh. Hopefully the taste improves with age.

And bonus, the neighboring soursop has set 4 fruits on its own.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What is in season in Hawaii?
« on: February 27, 2017, 12:30:49 PM »
I'll be on the big island this week, wondering what's in season right now at the markets.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Australian Fertilizers
« on: January 26, 2017, 10:41:35 PM »
Looking for advice either from Aussie growers or anyone who wants to look at the analysis of a few of the fertilizers that are available at the local depot.

YaraMila Complex 25kg bag $33
Nutrients
N   12%
P   4.8%
K   15%
Ca   2.5%
Mg   1.6%
S   8%
B   0.015%
Fe   0.2%
Mn   0.02%
Zn   0.022%

Nitrophoska special 12-5-14-8 25Kg bag $30
http://www.incitecpivotfertilisers.com.au/~/media/Files/Nitrophoska%20Special%20Brochure.pdf

Amgro prolific 12-5-14 or 10-2-20 (banana) 20kg bag $20
http://amgrowcorporate.net.au/barmac/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/Prolific-Range_2-bags-PIS-1.pdf

And for foliar TE they have
CMX TE Foliar 500g powder is $26
Cu 1.7% as EDTA
Fe 3.34% as EDTA
Mn 1.7% as EDTA
Zn 0.6% as EDTA
Boron 0.875%
Mo 0.023%

Right right now I'm just using chicken manure pellets, horse manure, blood an bone (whichever is available, cheapest, broken bags etc) mixed with rock crusher dust with some TE spray quarterly. I throw some potash around before the bloom cycle starts and a little more on bananas. Trees are all young and just coming into bearing. Still not entirely sure I want to start with chemical fertilizer, but looking at all the options. Might be time to get a little more scientific. I've noticed some deficiencies showing up in the black sapote(mg), citrus(zn or mn?) and jackfruit(mg). Really I've been fertilizing without any real "plan", and I figure like anything in life I'd be better off If i had one. Soil sampling is underway.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Trellised Annona fruit thinning
« on: January 12, 2017, 04:14:54 AM »
Does anyone have advice on how much fruit load is ideal on trellised Annona?  I thin my trellised stonefruit to one a foot, which seems to give good fruit quality. I have a trellised rollinia with 4 wires, each 10 feet long, 20 inches between wires. I'm up to about 14 fruit set with lots of blooms still coming. Given the size of a rollinia fruit, when should I start thinning?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Jaboticaba ID?
« on: November 20, 2016, 02:57:33 PM »
I received this jaboticaba as a white seedling from a forum member. The growth and leaves are quite different than a white given to me recently.  At first I thought it was a deficiency,  but I have grafted it on grimal and sabara and the growth remains the same. The odd thing is that the leaf margins curl under, especially in brighter light, and it is very lanky/droopy.

Very new growth



Starting to harden




Old growth



This is one of the grafted ones.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Biggest Red Jaboticaba
« on: November 07, 2016, 06:15:46 PM »
Interested in seeing how big these have gotten and how old before they get there. I haven't seen any pics or video's of any larger than Adams large potted one. Are there any bigger ones around?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Looking for Starling
« on: July 14, 2016, 01:39:38 AM »
Hey if anyone has a way to get a hold of Starling can you PM me?
Thanks

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Dragonfruits from today
« on: February 25, 2016, 05:02:46 AM »

From large to small Condor, Jackie Lee and Columbian Red. Condor was cross pollenated with a columbian, the other two had to self pollenate.








I liked Jackie lee the best, it has a strong sour component, like a tart green grape or granny smith apple. It is the first time I've had it and it is definitely different. I thought condor had a grape/kiwi taste like most purple fleshed hybrids but a little sweeter than most. The columbian was a little overripe so very sweet with a musky rose/floral taste. The wife liked condor the best, then jackie lee followed by the columbian.

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Dragonfruit grafting update
« on: December 25, 2015, 06:01:33 PM »
I've grafted a number of dragonfruit since last February.  Mostly interested in shortening time to fruiting so I can do crosses and get the results a little sooner.
This first one is a flower bud from a 4 inch juvenile scion in well under a year.



This is a yellow on white grafted late last feb, young graft photo in march and older graft and flower buds today



Last ones here are some grafts done last april and the resulting buds and flowers this morning.










So overall seems like it would be useful for shortening the generation times between crosses, to allow quicker variety development.

Merry Christmas

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / A few pictures
« on: November 26, 2015, 05:04:41 PM »
We moved to a new house 2 years ago next week. The yard is still a constant construction zone, but here are some pics. Build as much as I can from scrap so can't say its the victory garden but hey, as long as it fruits.



Grafted lyndall canistel espalier giving first blooms



Concrete post and rail dragonfruit trellis

Araca boi first blooms

More df trellis (aztec gem, dark star, cosmic charlie, columbian red, condor, s8)

Sabara candelabra espalier,  I will be much older by the time these 4 sabara and 2 grimal are grown in.

Mamey sapote, done well for 2 winters. One in a pot and planted out the next.


Sunraycer nectarine

Donut peach (called angel peach here but I think is the same as ufo in florida)

Sunraycer pruned back, going to graft some cordons to other varieties.

Soursop and rollina espalier on sunward facing retaining wall, made it through winter with no leaf drop or burn.

Tatura orchard slowly filling out, being taken over by pumpkins





 Fruit fly/cabbage moth exclusion garden. So little will survive the pest onslaught without netting

Egg machines

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / carissa macrocarpa propagation
« on: November 18, 2015, 06:49:26 PM »
I want to have a go at propagating a prostrate Carissa for the front garden. Some sites say cuttings work, others say you need to marcott. I imagine with a prostrate one you can ground layer with some hormone? Anyone have experience with this?

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Garcinia spacing
« on: October 31, 2015, 07:16:25 AM »
I'm putting some garcinias into the ground, but haven't been able to find much info on how much room people are giving lucs and achachairu.  I know they can both become large trees but for back yard culture what do you think. I have north/south rows 6m apart. The area I have left is 18m long with an avocado to the south and the property boundary (faces an open field) to the north, (in oz so sun from the north). I can do 4 trees on 4.3m centers or 5 at 3.4. I imagine at 3.4 they would end up being a bit of a hedge. I wouldn't mind them growing together as it would give the yard some privacy. Any thoughts? Ideally I would like to fit 2 lucs, an achachairu and leave a pair of spaces in case I ever find some sweets.

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Multi rootstock trial
« on: October 16, 2015, 12:29:20 AM »
This whole multiple rootstock thing has me interested,  mostly because there is very little solid evidence or experimental data.
I started practicing on jackfruit



Then onto bigger game





Looks like I should end up with 4 of each experimental group and 5 control mexicans. Now off to the (very slow) races.

Cheers

Rob



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / ross sapote
« on: September 29, 2015, 05:15:25 AM »
Picked up 3 varieties of canistel at the market, does this one look like a ross to you? Last picture is comparing the 2 seeds in this one to the 4 seeds in a pointed type.










Thanks in advance
Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / scarlet vs. red jaboticaba
« on: June 02, 2015, 03:48:02 PM »
Has anyone tried both and want to comment on any differences in fruiting, taste, cultural requirements? Exotic jabs are hard to get around here  and debating whether it is worthwhile chasing the red as I have a few scarlets that would eventally be a small hedge on the boundary with the neighbors.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / perlite/vermiculite soiless mixes
« on: May 11, 2015, 07:06:32 PM »
After accidentally loosing 3/4 the root mass repotting a largish citrus (coir/bark/perlite/compost mix that had compacted 25%) I am willing to make the switch to a lighter airier medium. I thought I had a good grip on the rootball but the thing fractured while moving it to the new pot. I think part of the downfall was using worm castings every couple of weeks as they likely filled in all the gaps in the mix over time. The ingredients for gritty mix seem to be scarce around here, but I live about 30min away from a vermiculite/perlite mine and have access to basically unlimited pumice. I know the hydro guys use a 4:1 perlite/vermiculite mix. Has anyone tried it on longer term plantings or does the perlite break down? how about graded pumice pebble/vermiculite?

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / ID: plinia edulis?
« on: May 09, 2015, 05:32:50 AM »
I was at the botanical garden today and scrounged a few seedlings/sprouts from under a tree labelled myrciaria edulis. Just wanting a confirmation on id before I do the long wait. Didn't have a camera to take pictures of the parent tree unfortunately.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / dragonfruit trellis (again)
« on: April 21, 2015, 08:47:09 PM »
Not so much how to build, but has anyone seen any studies done on the productivity of single pole vs post and rail plantings? Any comments on ease of pruning, pests, harvest? I have used posts without issue but it seems like you get more area for photosynthesis on a post/rail and commercial growers seem to use both. I am planting out a new area and could use either. Have seen some comments that the reds do better on post and rail.

Posts
Pros- Easy to prune out older vines from the underside, Easy to keep cv's apart
Cons- Overhead work

Post/rail
Pros- Guessing more area for photosynthesis
Cons-?

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / tatura
« on: March 02, 2015, 03:29:38 AM »
Constructed nov 2014, planted the week before Christmas, last pictures today.










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Wax jambu aftertaste
« on: December 14, 2014, 09:25:38 PM »
Wondering if all Wax Jambu cultivars have that resinous/piney aftertaste. I actually quite enjoy the mild sweetness and crunchiness, but the resin gets me. I have only ever had the pink ones from a single source, but need to decide how much effort to put into tracking down a good cultivar if they can be had without the resin. I don't know if climate/heat plays a role, I am in warm subtropical (within a few KM/mi of tropical fruit world in nnsw australia). A local nursery has white, pink, red and lists the white as needing very warm conditions.

The space I would have to would be a north west facing (sunny side here in oz) slope in deep loam right next to a black basalt stone retaining wall. Full sun.

Thanks in advance

Rob

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / canistel nnsw/seqld
« on: November 08, 2014, 04:17:36 PM »
Probably a bit of a specific question for an international forum,  but are there any members growing canistel in northern nsw or gold coast? And what has been your fruit fly experience with these? Also has anyone tried a "lyndall" from picone orchards?

Rob

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