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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit markets in Central Jakarta
« on: December 06, 2017, 05:55:37 PM »
Thanks John. Salak has been available readily in Jakarta and here in Bali. There was a durian festival in Jakarta but I havenít found any yet in Bali.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fruit markets in Central Jakarta
« on: November 20, 2017, 09:34:25 AM »
Iíll be traveling to Jakarta and Bali soon. I was wondering if anyone can give tips on where to find fruit markets in Central Jakarta?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hunting the elusive Delicious Monster
« on: November 13, 2017, 12:23:25 PM »
I stand them in a glass jar and put another on top to keep flies away.  I eat 2 to 3 inches a day as the scales fall.  I take them off the cob very cleanly using a salad fork. That leaves most of the irritating black specks off the fruit.

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While it's true that no tree can be totally immune to high winds, it's also true that some trees are more susceptible than others. From my very limited experience i would rank them like this:
Poor resistance: Longan, lychee, abiu, jamaican cherry (muntingia)
Medium resistance: Avocado
High resistance: Mango, Jackfruit, Chico, Java plum, Ice Cream Bean, Santol

My own observations strongly support Oscar's list (with about 200 data points of trees on the ground exposed to hurricane Irma in Homestead) :
Poor resistance: Lychee (40% out of 20 trees snapped, maybe it has to do with being airlayers). Longan. Most younger Garcinias have bad resistance: they topple over but don't break (Maybe it has to do with fact that they're raised in pots initially so they can't develop proper straight/deep tap root?). Jaboticabas get toppled easily but don't break.
Medium: annonas, guavas, abiu, avocado, white sapote
High: Black sapote, Mango, citrus, jackfruit, kwaimuk, sapodilla (branches break off, but trunk ok), sapote, grumichama and Cherry RGrande, spondias,
Needless to say: taller trees and trees with heavy foliage/branching fare much worse that others (jackfruit and black sapote seem to be exception)

Longan trees that fared poorly were biew kiew. Kohala are mostly still standing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Category 4 Hurricane Irma
« on: September 15, 2017, 10:23:25 AM »
I saw the guys who take care of my trees today and they told me about a field in Homestead at least 10 miles from the ocean that was loaded with all kinds of fish from the ocean including large grouper that were sucked up by the hurricane and tossed inland.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Category 4 Hurricane Irma
« on: September 15, 2017, 10:14:33 AM »
Biew Kiew longan trees did very poorly in the hurricane while Kohala trees held up very well. One grower in homestead had 20 acres of BK that are a total loss while kohala have only minor limb loss. In my grove the longan tree with the most damage is a BK. Lychee trees also did not fare well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Category 4 Hurricane Irma
« on: September 13, 2017, 09:20:22 PM »
dang 185 MPH!!!

If I was forced to live in areas where we get hurricanes like this, I would build it out of structural CMU/Concrete only with 10 feet raised foundation as well. even then windows could blow up under such pressure.
I have always wondered why in the US many (the majority?) houses are built with wood or light materials even though you have many natural risks (hurricanes, tornadoes). In my country, even with the low revenues/habitant all the houses are built with concrete (and we don't have extreme climatic events like yours). Is it cost? or is there other advantages of light buildings?

Many modern homes use cement blocks for outer walls, and wood for roof,   there is some advantages to this,   one is of course cost,  but the other is insulation.  most homes use central air-conditioning,  we use gypsum board instead of mortar to cover the inside walls,  we put insulation between the two.  the steep roof, ( attic ) is also filled with insulation,  this saves a lot on heating and cooling costs.

Also should state that in Earthquake prone areas,  a wood roof is somewhat safer.  I mention this because here in the DR.  we use all cement everything,  walls, and ceilings,  roofs are just poured cement,  no insulation, so if you put your hand on the ceiling on a sunny day you can feel the heat.   in an Earthquake these flat slabs, can fall on you.    but of course the benefit is, being strong against winds.

After Andrew,  I was working down in Homestead, and noticed complete neighborhoods, mostly destroyed, but then right next to it you see another neighborhood, almost untouched.   why?   construction code, and techniques.  its not so much whether the roof is wood or not, but how it is built.  look at Key West , they got the brunt of the storm, and you can see many wooden homes intact,  not all wooden homes are created equally.

Key West was on the good side (west) of the eye with minimal surge and lower winds than the keys on the bad side of the eye.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Category 4 Hurricane Irma
« on: September 11, 2017, 04:49:04 PM »
My longan trees were loaded for a nice fall crop but I lost 80% to 90% of the fruit. The trees survived mostly with some loss of limbs.  My 2 to 3 year old jackfruit didn't fare well as you can see this is the red morning and Excalibur red.

House came out fine. All in all I was fortunate as many around me lost a large percentage of their trees.










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Juciy Peach and Peach Cobbler Mango
« on: August 11, 2017, 10:05:02 AM »
I just plated my Peach Cobbler (not like I needed anymore mango trees) and justified pulling out a Hamlin Orange tree due to the citrus psyllid insect problem in Florida. Can anyone post a photo of the fruit when ripe? Can anyone describe the growth profile of this tree? Thanks in advance...

Will look for a picture but basically green.

Tree is vigorous and upright with a very slight spread

My peach cobbler is the most vigorous mango tree I have. But not straight up. It has a nice round canopy. It is putting out new flushes non stop. It's 3 years old and is still ornamental. There were very few flowers in the spring that did not result in fruit.  I just have it a very aggressive prune cutting off about 1/3.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shocking! Watch for yourself
« on: August 04, 2017, 06:20:32 AM »
Not arguing anything. Whether you take it to the extreme of veganism or not, there is a large body of evidence showing that increases in fruit, vegetable and nut consumption correlate with decreases in all cause mortality. You are right, the study is not a cross population prospective or retrospective cohort analysis as Oscar requested, but those types of studies are given a pretty low clinical evidence level by the major clinical evidence hierarchies. There are too many uncontrolled cultural differences that can introduce bias in cross country comparisons. The first paper posted uses data from the nurses health study/ health professionals study. It is one of the best constructed prospective cohort trials ever done. The number of participants is very high, data is collected from participants for the entire time they are in the study (so it can capture changes in diet over time) and it has been running for decades. Because of the in depth followup from periodic questionnaires it can capture not only absolute risk and mortality, but also age of onset and severity of disease. Many studies use only a single starting point (say a 5 day food record) and a single end point (say cardiac death). So you are basically stuck reporting the incidence of disease, when the rate and severity are most useful especially if you are trying to figure out disability adjusted life years which are more relevant than years of life lost.

The second study is a larger more recent systematic review of prospective cohort studies. I couldn't find any systematic reviews of randomized control trials available for diet studies, so that study has the highest clinical evidence level of any I could find on pubmed/medline/embase/cochrane review. So again not a cross country analysis but it it is a very high level of evidence.

The question at the end was to highlight the fact that after 3 pages of discussion there has not been a good source of evidence presented that strongly supports some of the other diets that have been studied (atkins, keto, paleo, assorted low carb). If you want to have an interesting read on the in depth modelling of various calorie density and macronutrient ratios and thier effect on ageing,  mortality,  reproductive health and body composition check out the geometric framework mapping studies coming out of the university of sydney.

Finland and Inuit populations have low fruit/veg intake and poorer health outcomes, but there are so many other factors at play. Hazda tribesmen have been used as an example of a population that has very low plant intake but good cardiac outcomes, but in that study the oldest tribesman recorded was 72. So you would have to argue whether ir not you can compare heart disease between the hazda and western nations when they don't even live to be the age where most westerners would start to develop heart disease.

Expert opinion is relegated to the lowest level of clinical evidence, and you'd probably need to get a shovel and start digging to get low enough to find the rung of the evidence ladder that a shockumentary sits at. Knew I shouldn't have stuck my toe in to test the waters on this one.

Read this book.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01LYGP469/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501841018&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=the+china+study

Also it's funny to hear a vegan diet called extreme when it only consists of eating simple fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds. A carnivore diet that consists of eating dead animal flesh from factory farmed animals, and pus and blood tainted milk, hormone and antibiotic laden animal  products is not extreme?

Fruitlovers- while I completely agree with you that stress will shorten a persons life and impair their health regardless of diet, I don't get the assumption that vegans are stressed out over diet more than carnivores leading to higher stress levels in vegans that negate any benefits of a vegan diet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shocking! Watch for yourself
« on: August 02, 2017, 11:05:40 AM »
I think Oscar makes a good point that most people make choices about what to eat on the spur of the moment and include some poor foods. Vegans often take their diets much more seriously and are likely to more than compensate for missing nutrients by making fewer bad choices about what to eat. That is why I think a vegan diet with eggs, seafood, poultry and red meat would be fantastic for your health. I know it doesn't make sense.


I agree it doesn't make sense.  You don't have a vegan diet by consuming animal products.

Here is everything a layman needs to know about B12.

http://health101.org/art_B12_Bottom_Line.htm

And about Vitamin D

http://health101.org/art_cancer_vitamin_D.htm

On Smallpox and infectious disease.  If vaccines are so safe and good for you, then why is anyone associated with producing and administering a vaccine immune from lawsuits and prosecution?  A healthy immune system and clean lymphatic system is your best defense against infectious disease. 

http://health101.org/art_smallpox_part1.htm
http://health101.org/art_smallpox02.htm

On protein.  There is no reason for a vegan to be lacking in any essential amino acids.  They are adequately provided by plant based foods.  And I've met several vegan bodybuilders who are not lacking for protein. 

http://veganhealth.org/articles/protein

On omega 3 - think nuts and seeds (flax, hemp, chia).  Nuts and seeds are also good sources of amino acids.

http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/omega3

Bottom line, I choose to be vegan for my health, and animal welfare  and rights has been a benefit that I've come to appreciate and support since becoming vegan.  Research indicates that with a proper vegan diet I will not lack for any nutrients in a plant based diet.  My personal belief is that a plant based diet based on primarily raw fruit and vegetables will give my body the best chance for optimal health.

I encourage everyone to do what makes them happy and consume the diet that works best for them.  I'm not trying to preach or convert anyone to a plant based diet. 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shocking! Watch for yourself
« on: August 01, 2017, 05:53:46 AM »
On vitamin B12, vegans need to supplement. But even omnivores should get a test to see if they are deficient. As B12 originates from bacteria in the soil, it must be ingested by animals who are grass fed and with the proliferation of factory farms livestock are not ingesting B12 and it is not in the resulting meat and dairy products.  B12 deficiency is a very serious matter and can cause irreversible nerve damage.  If growing your own vegetables in rich organic soil it's likely that vegans in the past ingested diet with vegetables getting B12. Eating store bought triple washed greens it won't happen.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shocking! Watch for yourself
« on: July 31, 2017, 02:41:43 PM »
As Follows...Wayyy too many FALSE STATEMENTS (in your opinion) being made to ignore:
1.There is no money to be made in being healthy = False. Vitamins, supplements, exercise machines, etc. plenty of ways to make money by helping people be healthy.

I only take a B12 supplement.  Most vitamins and supplements are pretty much a waste of money and are eliminated.  Lots of gullible people want a magic pill to lose weight.  But take into account the money spent on unnecessary supplements of around $20b per year vs $325b (2015) spent on prescriptions in the US (doesn't count doctor administered meds which would make the figure much higher) there's much more money being made in drugs.  Which companies are bigger and more valuable?  Those making vitamins or those making prescription drugs. 

And when I say "no money to be made" as you can see, I refer to where the big money is being made.

2. There is no money to be made in death = False. Plenty of money in probate to be made, ask any attorney, funeral buriels, creamations, reselling assets homes furniture etc. Reselling body parts at brain death stage but also common at cessation of birth.

Of course there is a death industry, but I'm referring to the "sick care" industry in this discussion.  They make no money when someone dies.  Getting them on multiple lifetime prescriptions is a lucrative business.

3. All the money, and there is a lot, is made in sick care. =F. Obviously other ways to make money.

Addressed above, get somebody on insulin, blood pressure meds, blood thinning meds, cholesterol meds, and god know what else and there is a lot of money on the table as long as they survive and stay in an impaired condition.  Do you really think that the big players in this business want everybody adopting healthy eating and lifestyle habits?

4. I don't call it health care because there is no cure being made, only symptoms being treated = F. There are many cures for diseases and infections. Some examples: Smallpox.
Rinderpest.Poliomyelitis (polio)Dracunculiasis.Yaws.Malaria.Hookworm.Lymphatic filariasis............Many antibiotics are used to kill bacteria infections.

Many of the successes being credited to these vaccines do not mention the impact that modern indoor plumbing and sewage disposal has had on the elimination of contagious disease.  If we still defecated in the streets in US cities we'd have major disease outbreaks.

Modern medicine is not curing and reversing heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.  Medications control symptoms.  Even cancer goes into "remission".  Diet can reverse each of these major killers of people.  Changing diet has gotten people off of insulin and cholesterol drugs.  Someone can be put in jail for making claims that they can cure these diseases via diet so you won't hear it happening.  Only medical professionals are allowed to give medical advise and they must give advice and treatment per approved practices, of which diet isn't one and probably will never be. 

5. Only the body can heal itself and it has a remarkably ability to do so. You just have to feed it properly to do so. =F. Often the body can NOT heal itself and needs supplemental antibiotics, antivirals, etc. to kill or lower the quantity of invading organisms to rid itself of the infection; without which,many would be dead quicker than normal lifespan tables.

I'm not going to say that antibiotics and emergency medicine are not good or necessary.  Medical professionals generally want the best for their patients.  What I'm saying is that if you feed the body correctly, it will remove inflammation, eliminate toxins, and regenerate healthy tissue as cells in our body are rebuilt at an amazingly fast rate.

6. You just have to feed it properly to do so.  = F. No amount of special feeding will enable the body to win the battle with some invading bacteria (ex. flesh eating) and viruses (rabies). 

There are extreme outliers for every situation and if I had a flesh eating virus or rabies, I'd go see a doctor and get treated.  I'm talking about the chronic diseases that are killing most people and consuming the majority health care dollars.

7.  I chose to be vegan to avoid chronic illness.  = False. Vegans have been proven to get sick and chronic diseases and illness just as regular humans and we all have a limited lifespan.

So far it's working good for me.  Feel free to eat your cheeseburgers and french fries.  Everyone should do what they feel works best for them.  Of course we have a finite life span and I'm not claiming otherwise.  Also, a deep fried french fry or other such food is technically vegan and unfortunately a large segment of growth in the vegan community is in junk vegan food.  A vegan doughnut is still a doughnut in my opinion.  Vegans who eat high fat and deep fried foods will likely still have inflammatory conditions occurring in their bodies leading to disease.  You have your strong opinions and i'm not sure what they are based on.  I' posted 2 books to read and a video to watch.  It only scratches the surface of what I've read and experienced over the last seven years. 

8. These really are just detox symptoms of the body that has become inflamed and lymph clogged with mucus. = F. Viral and bacterial infections are not just symptoms.... They are real and can often kill a fragile human body without assistance of antibiotics and antivirals.

They won't impact a healthy human body.  Of course a weak human body could succumb to attacks.  A well functioning and mucus free lymph system is key to keeping you body healthy.  Someone on a standard american diet will have a compromised lymph system.  A cold or flu is the body eliminating mucus from the body and lymph system. 

9.  This population should be healthier than average due to high fruit consumption. = Unknown, unproven, perhaps yes or no....

Eat standard american diet for a month and eat nothing but fruit for a month and tell me which diet made you feel better.

Regardless of being a vegan or not.... We all begin with living gametes combination as living but also the new organism (humans) has a set lifespan and as such is dying as well as living.

My opinion is that eating habits are inherited in the household and community you are raised (along with some genetic benefits or the opposite) but the eating habits have a much more profound impact on your health than the genetics.


Being a vegan or not will not change this.

What can I say other than I disagree

With luck, exercise, controlled environment, controlled intake of food, water, antibiotics, minerals, etc. you may live a little longer than another but your genes the gametes brought will also influence that.

On average you will live longer and on top of that the quality of life you enjoy will be superior.

Diet is one factor, but there are many others such as exercise, happiness, family etc that can be factors as well.  Read The Blue Zones for more on this.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shocking! Watch for yourself
« on: July 31, 2017, 11:32:13 AM »
I'm a 7 year vegan eating mostly raw fruits and vegetables and juicing.  The film strikes a nerve with a lot of people but it is raising awareness. Big money controls the media and the message about what is good for you and what is not. There is no money to be made in being healthy and there is no money to be made in death. All the money, and there is a lot, is made in sick care. I don't call it health care because there is no cure being made, only symptoms being treated.  Only the body can heal itself and it has a remarkably ability to do so. You just have to feed it properly to do so. Historically eating meat was a luxury and done only on special occasions. Today people consume animal flesh multiple times per day all year.  I chose to be vegan to avoid chronic illness.  I haven't been sick in years and no longer get colds and flu. These really are just detox symptoms of the body that has become inflamed and lymph clogged with mucus. This population should be healthier than average due to high fruit consumption.  There likely will not be studies of control  to prove that my lifestyle is healthier than an omnivore lifestyle because it won't be funded as there is no money to be made that a vegan diet is healthier than a meat eating diet.  You can read the China Study if you are interested in a fact based population study. Also in the book The Blue Zones the only long lived group in the USA was a group of 7th day adventists in California. It's also a very good read.

Also watch the YouTube video by Dr Michael Klaper  My favorite quote being that no autopsy concluded that a person died from eating too much broccoli.

https://youtu.be/xUm6S1P02IY


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fairchild First Jakfruit Review
« on: July 31, 2017, 11:03:01 AM »
Fruit is definitely above the graft. And they are the size advertised for this variety.  I'll try the other fruit on the tree before the ax but of course I can give you budwood.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fairchild First Jakfruit Review
« on: July 30, 2017, 09:21:21 AM »
I bought a Fairchild First tree at the Fairchild jakfruit festival in 2014. This is the first year it fruited with 5 fruits forming at the base of the tree. The first one just ripened. It went from hard one day to a couple soft spots the next to being completely soft the next day. I should have picked it at the first sign of softness. It was just over 7 lbs and gave around 3lbs of fruit for a yield of around 40%. On the good side latex was low and the fruit separated easily, practically falling off. This made for a super easy and fast cleanup. The negative is that the flesh is super soft basically leaving me with jakfruit soup. This will be relegated to smoothie material. Speaking of soup I may try to make a jakfruit based gazpacho with this. The flavor reminds me of a monstera deliciosa fruit with a pineapple type flavor. I'm not a fan of mushy jakfruit so I may replace this tree. 










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Edward or Edgar? Based just on flavor
« on: July 09, 2017, 11:08:10 PM »
I had my first Edward and it's the first one off my 3 year old tree and I can say it's one of the best mangoes I've had this year.  My Edgar has not given fruit yet so I can't say if it's better.  If it is better it must be a great mango.  It weighed 1 lb 10 oz.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Suggestion on my Longan tree?
« on: July 08, 2017, 04:52:06 PM »
No problem with the number of main trunks. You want more branching though. Cut each branch so you get more possible flowering points for next year. My longan trees have extensive trunks and branching. It was a bad year for fliwering everywhere. I had very little natural flowering and we had to hit them with potassium and now it looks good for a heavy fall crop.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fruit Punch Mango update
« on: July 07, 2017, 07:29:39 AM »
My two year old tree produced 3 mangos. The first two came off the tree a bit early and were so so. The last stayed on until ripe. After eating it I get the hype. It was a very good mango and I expect they will get better as the tree matures. Fruit was 1 lb. 5 oz. and very clean. Flesh was mostly fiber free though I did need to floss after eating it. It seemed to have a few different layers of flavor. The tree is clean and healthy as well.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: USDA Zill 40-26
« on: July 06, 2017, 01:45:31 PM »
I don't want a Kastoree. They are small and extremely fibrous. I did buy the Madu. There were only 50 grafted for sale and these are probably the only ones in the USA.




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So I read that Angie was an early season type. When did you pick the fruit?

-My OS was a gift from someone who got it from TT. I planted it recently and it will not fruit until 2-3 years from now, yes I have read all the threads on TT and OS and LZ.

All of them ripened over the last 2 weeks. No more on the tree but a couple on the on deck circle to be eaten.

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I have about 10 fruit from my 3 yr old Angie. Fruit is about 1.25 lbs. Its a nice clean fiberless mango. I found it a little lacking on the sweetness side.  But still a good but not great mango. It's the first year it produced so maybe they will improve as the tree matures.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First mango fruit of 2017
« on: June 17, 2017, 08:47:35 AM »
It had an early bloom and later bloom. Here are a few more pictures on fruit still hanging. I don't have a reference for what it should look like but I got the tree from you so I trust it was labeled correctly. This morning I had a honey kiss followed by a Rosigold and the honey kiss is a much much better tasting mango by comparison. I haven't had enough yet to distinguish the honey aroma and these were the first two off the tree.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First mango fruit of 2017
« on: June 16, 2017, 02:55:02 PM »
Honey Kiss. Fruits are about .75 lbs and are very slow growing and not great looking. But the 2 year old tree is producing like a Rosigold and Pickering in terms of quantity.  Flavor and sweetness is excellent despite the appearance.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Can anyone identify this mango?
« on: June 12, 2017, 09:21:18 AM »
It's from a friends tree and she has no idea what it is. Fruits are about 1 to 1.5 lbs deep orange flesh and fiber free. Y


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