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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Precocious Jakcfruit variety
« on: April 22, 2017, 12:35:03 AM »
Where did you get the 90% number? If jakfruit are grown in isolation or monoculture, seedlings might be similar to parent. Every seedling i have fruited is significantly different. From my limited experience, seedlings fruit in 3-4 years. Rarely, they fruit sooner.

There is nothing wrong with any of these varieties in my book. I think gold nugget and cheena are excellent flavored jaks and I am happy to see my blackgold has fruit this year. Shot obviously does not like soft fleshed jaks.  Taste before you buy!

blackgold,gold nugget, cheena had 20 years ago only good for cooking. Scale 1 to 10 give I give 1.5 for being alive

Bahahhahahahhahahaha. I know to pull Black Gold out of my collection now. Thanks!  ;D

Thanks for uploading the video!

I can say that the Orange crush I have in my yard is more vigorous than the other three they released(Tangerine, Cantaloupe, and RS-22). I am not sure I would agree with the claims that these trees are better than others in handling minor element deficiencies.  My soil is bad and I have not had the time to help them along as I did with my earlier planted jaks and it shows. 

At 2 years in the ground, my rapoza tree was 10ft tall and 7ft wide and I got around 10 fruit. Last year, fungus wiped out every flower and there was barely any fruit set. None made it past pea size. This year I have 5 fruit golf ball sized and I am not sure they will make it.  Only tree more affected by fungus in my yard is southern blush.

"Taste before you buy."

Ok, send me your fruit. LOL. 

Thanks for the discussion.  Wish I could taste first. But, going on recommendations is all I've got. 

You laugh but this is part of the reason I have 26 grafted varieties planted and still expanding. Getting here to taste the fruit is your issue to resolve.  :P

Taste before you buy. From tastings i have attended, people can have very strong and differing opinions.

Cristella fit your original request best.I like flavor but some do not.

My 3 gal lemongpld grew from.4 ft to 10 ft in a yesr. Wind snapped it back down to 4 ft. It was 3-4 inches in diameter where it broke. Quick growth can be weak. 3 years later, it is overloaded with fruit, first fruiting.

Bangkok lemon grew quick too. Tons of fruit on it this year.

Cheena and gold nugget have excellent flavor but are very softly textured.

I planted my HM a few months after you. I will have a small to medium crop depending on how they hold this year, first fruiting.  I have not tasted them yet. Not a precocious tree from reports i have read.  I have not heard any raving reviews on flavor, "better than Glenn" which doesn't say much to me.

I think we are in similar situations with rain and fungus  Forget rapoza. Good fruit but poor disease resistance.

Venus, Angie, sweet tart, and maha do good for me. Venus is slow growing but that may be from my laziness. It holds fruit too well and I have to thin it. Best late mango I have tasted but I have not tasted some of the newer ones. Angie and sweet tart grown by me are ugly on the outside  but taste great. Maha will look and taste great.

Beverly and glenn do nothing for me. Might as well wait out harvest moon before topworking to those. Had to spit out Duncan at fruit and spice park a few years ago. Multiple fruit tasted equally bad. Tree was in a funk that year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 19, 2017, 07:16:41 PM »
To early for me to tell if those are successful.

I took some pics of my atemoyas but sugar apples are close enough.


Female that is wet, camera does not do it justice.

Male with pollen

Pollen on side of container

Loaded brush

Fruit on atemoya

Fruit on rollinia - thinning may be needed  :blank:

You can. You just have to time the pruning of the trees, which will trigger flowering.

If I could grow atemoya year round though, I probably wouldn't grow any custard apples.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 18, 2017, 06:31:22 PM »
The visible stuff in the picture are the anthers to which the pollen may be attached. The pollen is not visible in the picture but it may be the camera.  It can be visible against a black or very dark background as barely visible white grains.  I prefer to see the females a bit more open than what is pictured on the left but it may be ready. The flower to the right is probably male but sometimes the females open wide.  The brown flower looks like it dropped nearly all of the pollen.  In the afternoons, usually after 6:30pm, I pollinate atemoya and rollinia. Sugar apples are done in the morning before going to work. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 18, 2017, 04:31:34 PM »
Two possibilities are that you are doing it at the wrong time of day or you are not properly identifying when the flowers are in the male and female stages. Sugar apple  needs to be pollinated in the morning. The females are barely open and need to be spread apart. The ovary often appears to be wet when the timing is right. The pollen is a super fine white dust that is barely visible. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: So how good is Tekam/J33 Jackfruit?
« on: April 14, 2017, 09:28:23 AM »
Mike T, congrats on a great tasting seedling!

NS1 and J31 are not the same. IMO based on trees grown in my yard, J31 is the superior variety, tasting much better and more vigorous tree growth.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black Sapote
« on: April 07, 2017, 04:40:47 PM »
Magnesium is what that indicates but likely deficient in other things as well. Give it a balanced fertilizer that includes micros and sprinkle around the tree a quarter cup of Epsom salt in addition.

Harry's BGxT does produce excellent fruit. I have a seedling from this tree that will produce its first fruits this year.

First, zone 9a/b will require significant cold protection. A greenhouse will be required to get this to fruit.

Second, jackfruit does not come true from seed. I have fruited a few seedlings and the resulting fruits are nothing like the parent. 2 are good, 1 might get removed. Just buy fruit and plant the seeds. It will be cheaper and if the fruit was good, you have just as good of a chance of getting a tree with good fruit.

Third, if you are going through all the trouble, you should seriously consider a grafted tree so you know all your hard work is going to produce a fruit you like.

I have plenty of leaf hoppers and my leaves do not look like this.  Har pointed them out for me.  On my trees, I associate the leaves curling downward or cupping upwards and crinkled ribbing with leaf hopper damage but maybe I am wrong. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Abiu tree?
« on: March 23, 2017, 01:26:51 PM »
I had an abiu in the ground that died on me.  I think it died from lack of water during winter.  I have a seeding from Noel that I planted in 2013 that looks like it will be flowering heavily this year. Tiger 90 Sulfur applications have helped. 

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: SKhan's Yard Sales
« on: March 22, 2017, 06:12:01 PM »
I got a 3g lemon drop. I have a few fruiting lemon drop in 7g too.

Places here (30 to 100 miles south) with 200 inches still grow sugar apples and lychees as well as host of species that prefer drier climates. The highly seasonal nature of the rainfall allows this to happen. Temperature and day length cues for flowering can be just as important.

I wonder if I could get this same effect by planting Sugar Apples on fast-draining mounds and then put a temporary canopy over them for a month or two each year to keep the rain off. Probably not worth the effort given the number of low-maintenance fruits I can grow in Hilo, but might be a fun experiment.
I thought of using plastic canopies over dwarf mango trees. I think if you do that in winter when they are flowering it would really help reduce anthracnose and get better fruit set, but never got around to trying it.

My guess is covering mango trees will have limited effectiveness and not worth the effort.  It has not rained here very much (one day every 2 - 3 weeks) this year but my panicles are still being infected. High humidity is enough.  One benefit would be that copper treatments would last much longer.  Planting disease resistant varieties would be the better way to go. As the years progress, I will be replacing the more susceptible varieties. Rapoza and Southern Blush are at the top of the chop list.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 5 year old jack fruit from seed
« on: March 11, 2017, 01:16:48 PM »
The third picture shows a male flower shedding pollen, not a fruit. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit flowers
« on: February 25, 2017, 08:25:16 AM »
MarvelMango, your flowers are male.  Look at JoeP450's photo. Those are female.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: soil ph
« on: February 20, 2017, 04:35:31 PM »
I bought Tiger 90 from Diamond R in Homestead.

haha yah, as an experiment, I laid down sulfur pellets at the rate of about 4 tons per acre and ended up with soil that registered between 2 and 3 on the pH meter. The pH is now in the 4's due to irrigation with canal water. Surprisingly, the only trees that died were about 1/2 of the annona species I had planted out.

What's wrong with sulfur?

Nothing if you monitor the soil's pH with a good pH meter AND more importantly know how to test your soil the right way, which few do - using deionized water as a carrier in the jar.  Witnessed a friend's yard burn up when he got heavy handed on the sulfur.  Pastules are an easy way to distribute but they are stubborn when it comes to breaking down.  I've found that it takes a couple of years but at least it won't burn things up in most cases.
Jeff: Where did you buy the Sulphur? Is there a source for truckloads of Sulphur in SFla? Thanks. Federico

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit 10' up?
« on: February 15, 2017, 08:46:07 PM »
3 out of 4 of my fruit producing seedlings put out the first fruit at the top of the tree. I have two seedling trees producing the first fruit this year and the fruits are about 2 - 3 feet below the tallest tip. One tree is 16 feet tall. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zinc mango info (not its offspring)
« on: February 15, 2017, 12:40:46 PM »
I may not be as knowledgeable as Rob but I am unhappy with southern blush.  Serious fungal issues in my yard.  Putting it near a canal may make this worse.  I rate it as good and sometimes great but not excellent. It is occupying space that could be used for something better suited to my yard and tastes.  Maybe Kathy would be the better option over ZINC if you can try some this summer.

I have about 1 acre of my yard planted with fruit trees.  I am a bit stingy with fertilizer and chemicals.  Last year I probably used 12 or 14 bags of fert.  My "plan" for this year is based on the recommendations of Soil Analytics. For most areas, they are recommending 150 lbs per acre of K.  Using 50% 8-2-12 and 50% 0-3-16, the average is 14%. 150 divided by .14 = 1071 lbs so my plan is more than the recommendation.  This is the best I can come up with based on my "experience" ::) operating a fruit orchard. 

I plan on ordering some Nordox.  I do need a mister. Otherwise, I will hit that 2 lbs copper pretty quickly.  I am having trouble getting over the mental hurdle of the mister's price tag. I will get there eventually. I just spent too much money on irrigation stuff. 

Thanks for the chelated Mn recommendation.  Next time I drive to Homestead/FL City, I will try to get some Brexil.  I sprayed today with the MnSO4 I already had and K-phite (same as plant doctor).  I added Serenade to the batch I sprayed my mango trees with.  The MnSO4 did not dissolve well. After I sprayed the entire yard with 34 tablespoons (1 per gal) of Mn, I had 2 - 3 tablespoons of Mn at the bottom of my tank sprayer. 

As of today, my plan is to apply half the sulfur now (300lbs), the other half in July.  I will apply 12 bags of 0-3-16 (4 in Feb, 4 in May, 4 in Aug) and 12 bags of 8-2-12 (Mar, Jun, Sep).  I will do some foliar spraying (3 - 4 times)  as well.   

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