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Nice experiment Ethan! 

I did a walk through the yard and found 3 fruit which directly sprouted from the trunk.  The other 80+ fruit sprouted from horizontal branches, 4 to 24 inches away from the trunk.

Personally, I think Seacrest's taste/quality puts it in my top 10 mango list. Rob has stated that not many feel its taste is top shelf. Try it before you plant it. I cannot comment on season or production yet. I believe it is a July fruit.

How does 'Seacrest' compare to 'Beverly' in terms of quality, taste, production and season?

'Beverly' Mango is superior in taste when compared to 'Keitt' (TFForum research: Jeff...).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The story of Two Mahachanok mangos
« on: May 23, 2017, 09:09:01 PM »
Harry had the same as Excalibur. I know this because they taste exactly the same as the fruit from my tree, which I purchased from Excalibur.  He also fruited 3 seedings, which are no longer to be considered MCs.

I understand that both Excalibur and Zills imported mahachanok from Asia, but that the trees are slightly different.  What are the differences?

The are actually 6. Harry has 3 and Leo Manuel from San Diego has his own from the Thai government
The best I've tasted are Harry's, Leo Manual and Excalibur are next

I got around 10 fruit from my hasya tree planted 4 years ago and 3 fruit last year. One weighed in at 1.2 lbs, softball sized. None of my 4 sap trees produced well this year. On a weight basis, hasya was the winner this year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia cross pollination
« on: May 22, 2017, 03:03:19 PM »
Yes, I have to hand pollinate rollinia to get fruit set. The same basic Annona hand pollination principles apply to rollinia.  The optimal time of day is around 6:30 PM for me.

Here is the post that got me started:

do you guys hand pollinate rollinia?   my trees have been flowering for months and months..  100's of flowers but i never see any fruit set...  ???

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple pollination experiment
« on: May 12, 2017, 11:15:07 AM »
This picture is a big red seedling in a 7 gal.  I did not follow my 1 - 3 per branch rule.  18 fruit clearly visible in 1.5 square feet of branches. Hello, my name is Brandon and I have a problem ::)

The reason this happened is because this tree is under daily morning irrigation and I thought the flowers being wet might affect the viability of the pollen. I guess wet pollen works just fine. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple pollination experiment
« on: May 11, 2017, 08:37:27 PM »
This year, I installed solenoid valves, ran 700' of electrical wire, and installed a rachio controller. My annonas now get watered twice a week.  In Feb, I used Harilizer, March, I put down some 8-10-10 (for my low phosphates), and last Monday I put down some 8-2-12. Some of my page atemoyas, first to flower, are about 3 inches already. Last year, not many got bigger than 3.5 inches.

It is now after 8:30pm so time to go pollinate the soursops.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple pollination experiment
« on: May 11, 2017, 02:55:35 PM »
Yes, 10 times. Not a hard multiple when my trees only sets 1 to 5 fruit.  I do not have Annona pollinating insects and I am left to pick up the slack.    :'(

100% pollination, no. Even my sugar apple trees in 7 gal pots produce 50+ flowers.  I have never bothered to scientifically measure my rate of success but I can say based on casual observation it is very high. I only hand pollinate a 1 - 2 flowers per branch. Occasionally, I have to repeat a branch.     

Sugar apples are good but the effort is better spent on atemoyas, rollinias, and soursop, using the same basic principals with adjustments to the time of day.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple pollination experiment
« on: May 11, 2017, 10:12:10 AM »
I have left trees to do there own thing when I feel they need a break and the fruit that form are often counted on one hand and smaller.  Hand pollination will get me 10 times the number of fruit.  If your results are not better with hand pollinating, something is wrong in technique or the trees may have nutritional deficiencies preventing fruit set/abortion.  It took me a few seasons to get it right. When Har speaks, I listen.   I typically have to thin the trees after the fruit get to an inch diameter. I still have nutritional deficiencies that cause the fruit to be small or maybe I do not thin enough. I have only hand pollinated custard apples for one season but I had poor results, only 3 fruit on 1 tree, 2 trees no fruit. 

The tree is probably reabsorbing the nutrients in the leaves in preparation of dropping them due to age or drought stress. The other possibility is nitrogen deficiency. Looks ok and nothing to get too excited about yet.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple flower question
« on: May 09, 2017, 10:41:08 AM »
Female, collect pollen from this flower tomorrow morning and apply to any new flowers that look like this.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sour sop plant
« on: April 27, 2017, 11:45:18 PM »
Quickest I have heard of is 2 years, done by my father at about 5 ft tall. In good conditions, three is more likely.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Precocious Jakcfruit variety
« on: April 22, 2017, 12:35:03 AM »
Where did you get the 90% number? If jakfruit are grown in isolation or monoculture, seedlings might be similar to parent. Every seedling i have fruited is significantly different. From my limited experience, seedlings fruit in 3-4 years. Rarely, they fruit sooner.

There is nothing wrong with any of these varieties in my book. I think gold nugget and cheena are excellent flavored jaks and I am happy to see my blackgold has fruit this year. Shot obviously does not like soft fleshed jaks.  Taste before you buy!

blackgold,gold nugget, cheena had 20 years ago only good for cooking. Scale 1 to 10 give I give 1.5 for being alive

Bahahhahahahhahahaha. I know to pull Black Gold out of my collection now. Thanks!  ;D

Thanks for uploading the video!

I can say that the Orange crush I have in my yard is more vigorous than the other three they released(Tangerine, Cantaloupe, and RS-22). I am not sure I would agree with the claims that these trees are better than others in handling minor element deficiencies.  My soil is bad and I have not had the time to help them along as I did with my earlier planted jaks and it shows. 

At 2 years in the ground, my rapoza tree was 10ft tall and 7ft wide and I got around 10 fruit. Last year, fungus wiped out every flower and there was barely any fruit set. None made it past pea size. This year I have 5 fruit golf ball sized and I am not sure they will make it.  Only tree more affected by fungus in my yard is southern blush.

"Taste before you buy."

Ok, send me your fruit. LOL. 

Thanks for the discussion.  Wish I could taste first. But, going on recommendations is all I've got. 

You laugh but this is part of the reason I have 26 grafted varieties planted and still expanding. Getting here to taste the fruit is your issue to resolve.  :P

Taste before you buy. From tastings i have attended, people can have very strong and differing opinions.

Cristella fit your original request best.I like flavor but some do not.

My 3 gal lemongpld grew from.4 ft to 10 ft in a yesr. Wind snapped it back down to 4 ft. It was 3-4 inches in diameter where it broke. Quick growth can be weak. 3 years later, it is overloaded with fruit, first fruiting.

Bangkok lemon grew quick too. Tons of fruit on it this year.

Cheena and gold nugget have excellent flavor but are very softly textured.

I planted my HM a few months after you. I will have a small to medium crop depending on how they hold this year, first fruiting.  I have not tasted them yet. Not a precocious tree from reports i have read.  I have not heard any raving reviews on flavor, "better than Glenn" which doesn't say much to me.

I think we are in similar situations with rain and fungus  Forget rapoza. Good fruit but poor disease resistance.

Venus, Angie, sweet tart, and maha do good for me. Venus is slow growing but that may be from my laziness. It holds fruit too well and I have to thin it. Best late mango I have tasted but I have not tasted some of the newer ones. Angie and sweet tart grown by me are ugly on the outside  but taste great. Maha will look and taste great.

Beverly and glenn do nothing for me. Might as well wait out harvest moon before topworking to those. Had to spit out Duncan at fruit and spice park a few years ago. Multiple fruit tasted equally bad. Tree was in a funk that year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 19, 2017, 07:16:41 PM »
To early for me to tell if those are successful.

I took some pics of my atemoyas but sugar apples are close enough.


Female that is wet, camera does not do it justice.

Male with pollen

Pollen on side of container

Loaded brush

Fruit on atemoya

Fruit on rollinia - thinning may be needed  :blank:

You can. You just have to time the pruning of the trees, which will trigger flowering.

If I could grow atemoya year round though, I probably wouldn't grow any custard apples.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 18, 2017, 06:31:22 PM »
The visible stuff in the picture are the anthers to which the pollen may be attached. The pollen is not visible in the picture but it may be the camera.  It can be visible against a black or very dark background as barely visible white grains.  I prefer to see the females a bit more open than what is pictured on the left but it may be ready. The flower to the right is probably male but sometimes the females open wide.  The brown flower looks like it dropped nearly all of the pollen.  In the afternoons, usually after 6:30pm, I pollinate atemoya and rollinia. Sugar apples are done in the morning before going to work. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 18, 2017, 04:31:34 PM »
Two possibilities are that you are doing it at the wrong time of day or you are not properly identifying when the flowers are in the male and female stages. Sugar apple  needs to be pollinated in the morning. The females are barely open and need to be spread apart. The ovary often appears to be wet when the timing is right. The pollen is a super fine white dust that is barely visible. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: So how good is Tekam/J33 Jackfruit?
« on: April 14, 2017, 09:28:23 AM »
Mike T, congrats on a great tasting seedling!

NS1 and J31 are not the same. IMO based on trees grown in my yard, J31 is the superior variety, tasting much better and more vigorous tree growth.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Black Sapote
« on: April 07, 2017, 04:40:47 PM »
Magnesium is what that indicates but likely deficient in other things as well. Give it a balanced fertilizer that includes micros and sprinkle around the tree a quarter cup of Epsom salt in addition.

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