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I ate a ponderosa fruit like a grapefruit once.  It tasted like a regular lemon to me, maybe less sweet.  Its interesting looking but otherwise I wouldn't bother.

In fact, after trying a ton of lemon and lime hybrids, I'm planning to scale back to just a plain old grocery store varieties like Bearss/Persian seedless lime and Eureka/Lisbon lemon and focus on fresh-eating citrus.

I don't blame you. I'm actually considering the same thing.  I have a Meyer lemon that I'll keep that kicks butt as far as production goes, but man that thing wants to stay low and bushy...I wish I could get some height out of it so I could start training it into a tree....right now I wouldn't even know where to start.  My key limes are rockstars as well, but I'm thinking of adding a Persian Lime and a Eureka Lemon to the mix.  Sometimes the most common varieties available actually are the best tasting as well....that doesn't hold up for fruits like mango or jackfruit...but I find it true of most citrus, not just lemons and limes.

Just curious long have you been pollinating them?  My custard apple spent a long time maturing buds but didn't really start opening flowers until late June here in San Diego.  After that, the first month no pollination was successful and all the flowers and peduncles fell off. Starting in late July many of the flowers seemed to be successfully hand pollinated, but it was difficult to tell because the ovary didn't swell and become fruit right away. The peduncles have not fallen off after almost six weeks, so it appears that pollination was successful, but the fruits take so very long to mature....not like atemoya or cherimoya at all.  Adam has posted the 9 month "birthing simulation" of custard apples in the past...I think they just take a long time to form fruit.  Check to see if some of your custard apples have very small ovaries at the end of the flower stalk (peduncle).  If they are still hanging on after a few weeks you should get fruit. ;D

I will check for that, but my concern is that I don't see any pollen at all.  When you pollinated yours, did you just brush a male flower a few times and then dab it inside the female without seeing pollen on your brush/tool, or did you actually see pollen? I don't see any visible pollen coming from the male flowers.

Citrus General Discussion / Can I get an opinion on Ponderosa Lemon ??
« on: August 28, 2017, 09:18:43 PM »
I have a tree/bush and I've tried these things at all different times of year and man the only way to describe them is HORRIBLE.  What an awful taste they have; hardly any sweetness, hardly any juice, and they have kind of an off-putting chemical taste to them. Just a bitter mess. I hate yanking trees but this one has to go. Am I missing something here??

So I have two juvenile/mature trees producing a ton of flowers, but zero fruit set.  I've watched hand pollination videos where you can easily see the pollen when brushed off of the male flowers into a container.  My flowers on both my custard apple and soursop trees don't seem to have any pollen.   I've tried at all times of the day.  Why may this be?  Is it possible for a young tree to produce flowers but be too young to produce fertile pollen? Or is a tree considered mature once it starts to produce flowers and I have a different problem?

Any ideas/help would be great.  Trees are about 6-8ft each.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this Citrus Greening ?
« on: July 28, 2017, 07:27:02 AM »
Got it. This tree is about 7 years old, I planted it in my grandparents yard. I'll need to start maintaining it for them. On another note, I have a few key limes trees on my property that are about 2 years old and they get fertilized regularly and sprayed for insects and fungicide regularly. But I'm having a hard time preventing leaf curl. They always seem to have about 60-70% of their leaves all curled or shriveled. What's the trick with this? My Valencia orange is more receptive to the spraying, but it's also a battle to keep the new flush looking healthy. Any advice?

Citrus General Discussion / Is this Citrus Greening ?
« on: July 27, 2017, 05:46:39 PM »
Tree produced nearly 200 key limes last year. This year there is only a handful on the tree, but not distorted in shape. Tree looks healthy overall, but never has been fertilized or sprayed with insecticide or fungicide. Most if not all of the leaves look like the photo

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 Cherimoyas
« on: July 20, 2017, 02:38:34 PM »
I have a question about hand pollination of custard apple or soursop, which from what I've read should be similar to Cherimoya.  I've found that my male flowers (first year flowering) don't have any pollen on them that can be brushed off. Not even a small amount.  Could this be due to the torrential rains we've been having that wash the pollen off or does a young tree flower but produce no pollen until it further matures?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to harvest a Jackfruit?
« on: July 11, 2017, 02:40:37 PM »
I use two methods. Aroma and softness.  The problem with aroma is that it doesn't always pertain.  I've never gone wrong with a push test. If the skin gives about 1/2" with light pressure using 1 finger, its ready to go.  If you have multiple fruit on the same tree, its a good idea to reference the other fruit.  If its softer than most, but doesn't give quite as much as I describe above, don't pick it. It will not have developed full sweetness.  The problem with jackfruit is that the inner flesh ripens at different stages in different areas of the fruit, so picking them soft will ensure most of the fruit is at or close to full sweetness.

My tree is about 5ft tall and very bushy. Its a Bernecker variety.  I have about 10-15 well sized fruit on it right now. It is very drought tolerant. One thing I noticed though is that it doesn't like fungicide/insecticide sprays.  Light applications are ok, but anything more and it will drop leaves.  My white sapote behaves similarly.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tebow Mango Surprise
« on: July 10, 2017, 04:23:46 PM »
Just had my first Tebow also. The fruit was quite good, but didn't notice anything special about the texture. What was special was the size of the seed, very small and round. The tree is not a good bearer, at least here, made very few fruits.

I've noticed a lot of variation between the same cultivar when it comes to mangos and unlike what most people would say, it doesn't have anything to do with the stage at which you pick them.  I've had carrie's that are vastly different, as well as malika, irwin, glenn, and possibly a few others.  They tend to vary from tree to tree or location to location. I tasted my Tebow from  Pine Island Nursery tree, so should I decide to plant one, I will get one grafted from their tree. And yes, Tebow is the new or alternate name for Young.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen Pics from Fairchild
« on: July 01, 2017, 10:48:13 PM »
The festival S-U-C-K-E-D !!!!! Their mango tasting consisted of Tommy Atkins and Glenn. They had only the most old school, standard mangos for sale, MOSTLY picked too early. Fairchild, with there bazillion mangos they cultivate, didn't even have a sales tent. They hired some other company to come in and offer a smattering of take it or leave it mangos. Some weren't even identified, the signs just said stuff like 'Philippines'. The musical act was a 80 year old woman in pink sweat pants with unavoidablely apparent camel toe. There were no newer mangos available for sale such as all the new Zill varieties of the past decade or two.  Most people were not knowledgeable at all about mangos. We were very disappointed. I could have went to Home Depot and got a better education on mangos. It was like some Fairchild greenhorn put the event together 5 days ago.  Aweful. Actually, to be honest I went directly to Fruit and Spice park and drowned my disappointment by walking Mango Allley and gorging on a zillion different mangos for FREE !

Brad, thank you for the detailed response. I'm actually glad to hear that the Redland variety is less citrusy than most. I rather enjoy the custard flavor and texture. I have plenty of citrus on my property and I actually prefer a much different taste. I'm going to let this Redland fruit and see how I like it.  If not, I'll pick up an Excalibur Subelle. Thank You!!!!

There is an older pretty lengthy post on this subject but I'd like to get fresh opinions. I've only had SES 2 variety from Fruit and Spice park. I'm in that same area. It's really good and Fruits we'll. I wouldn't be upset if that's the variety I plant next. I currently have a Redland variety that hasn't fruited yet. Any recommendations if I get another variety ?? Also, any information on the taste quality of the Redland? Thank You.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passion Fruit Question
« on: June 30, 2017, 03:52:10 PM »
My purple passionfruit does exactly the same thing.  Nice amount of juice in the fruits, but they are small.  Is yours Purple Possum?

I'm not sure on the variety. But it is a purple variety. And yes, same thing...good amount of juice for its size, but small.

I would still take a seedy Duncan over any other grapefruit, none of the seedless varieties can come close to that flavor.

I ordered a Flame and a Duncan.  Nobody seems to carry Thompson Pink anywhere near me.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Passion Fruit Question
« on: June 30, 2017, 12:09:47 PM »
My passion fruit vines are flowering nicely but keep dropping the fruit prematurely, or at least I think so.  It is a purple variety.  They seem to fall off when they start to shade purple just a tad, but are only abut the size of a golf ball. The purple I buy in the store are more like the size of a tennis ball.  Do I have a different, smaller variety or am I missing something?  Thanks.


Looking for opinions on the best Grapefruit variety for sweetness and seedlessness. Next on the priority list would be disease resistance and overall look of a maintained tree. Any opinions are welcome.  Thank you

Thomlson Pink or Flame for fruit quality.  Disease resistance....hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I feel you. Very different Florida landscape than the one I grew up in :(

Looking for opinions on the best Grapefruit variety for sweetness and seedlessness. Next on the priority list would be disease resistance and overall look of a maintained tree. Any opinions are welcome.  Thank you

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tebow Mango Surprise
« on: June 26, 2017, 07:43:50 PM »
So I tasted my first Tebow Mango today. What a surprise. The taste is very light and refreshing. But the real treat was the texture; it was like silk/custard. Really unique. The look and the feel of the unopened fruit is also soft and pleasing. It's just such a unique mango. I assume due to its parents it will want to grow large. Has anybody had any experience in keeping this tree sub-12 Feet ????


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What type of mango is this?
« on: June 24, 2017, 04:56:59 PM »
Pine Island identified it today as Irwin. But the below, they could not identify. Anyone?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / What type of mango is this?
« on: June 23, 2017, 07:08:39 PM »
Picture was taken today. Tree is a large 40ft, prolific producer. Virtually fiberless mango

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's wrong with this Mango Tree?
« on: June 14, 2017, 10:32:09 PM »
PPK and Lemon Zest new leaves are a brownish red before they harden off and turn green.

That's great to know. A good little piece of info

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's wrong with this Mango Tree?
« on: June 14, 2017, 10:20:21 PM »
Hard to tell on my phone but it looks like a new flush that has not yet hardened off.  Looks quite normal for a PPK.  Are the older leaves staying green for the most part with no excessive dropling?

There are no leaves on the ground. Not sure if the brown/red leaves are new flush though, that's a good point. I've been on business travel for a few weeks and it's been dumping rain, so I just wanted to get ahead of any potential problems. I'll keep an eye on it over the next week or two. Thank You

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's wrong with this Mango Tree?
« on: June 14, 2017, 10:07:37 PM »
Also, if it means anything, the tree has a ton of fresh light green flush coming out all over

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's wrong with this Mango Tree?
« on: June 14, 2017, 10:03:37 PM »
It is PPK. It was a 7gal size that probably was about time to jump up to a 15gal. I backfilled it with only the ground up coral rock bits that the hole was dug with because I know the mangos need good draining soil. It was done the same way as all my other mango trees, which have t had any issues at all. The leaves are very soft and moist if that helps any.

Also, mango trees grow like weeds down here in Miami. It's almost impossible to kill one.....Almost

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