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Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« on: December 10, 2017, 12:15:07 PM »
Hi,
Which of the following cultivars set fruits by itself?
Island Gem, Coochie Island, Randhir, Birula, Calostro, Lindstrom,
Arkan Sahan, Jumbo African Pride, La Habra Sun. Thanks

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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2017, 08:45:56 PM »
Island Gem is self pollinating ..... Have you got a Coochie Island tree ?????? If so where did you get it from ???      Mike

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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2017, 09:37:31 PM »
Island Gem is self pollinating ..... Have you got a Coochie Island tree ?????? If so where did you get it from ???      Mike

Is Coochie Island a common cultivar in Australia? How is the fruit?
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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2017, 10:31:23 PM »
"Island Gem is self pollinating ..... Have you got a Coochie Island tree ?????? If so where did you get it from ???      Mike"

Sorry, I don't have any of these cultivars...just getting a list ready in case someone in the future
have scions for sale.


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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2017, 04:08:35 AM »
Hillary white and KJ Pinks (Paxton prolific) especially can be excessively self fertile and self pollinating. Fruit need to be trimmed at times to keep a large size. It seems there are degrees of self pollination success and self fertility.

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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2017, 07:06:46 AM »
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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2017, 07:41:44 AM »
This is an extract that a grower wrote about Island Gem and he does mention it is superior to African pride.
 “Island Gem is a tree to 12 metres in diameter (that tree needs a prune!) with medium vigour. It begins fruiting in about year 4, producing heavy crops. The fruit are small, thin skinned with a high susceptibility to splitting. The flesh is of good texture, and excellent flavour with a moderate number of seeds. It is the earliest variety in the year. The local orchardist that I mentioned earlier, Barry, says it’s self-pollinating and basically trouble free.

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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2017, 08:12:43 AM »
African Pride is also sets good fruit without hand pollination. See below for an extract of an interview with the developers of Paxton prolific and maybe we should all look out for bud sports.

Visiting Keith & Judy Paxton May 2007 - Custard Apple Growers

Keys
AP – African Pride Custard Apple
CA – Custard Apple
DPI – Dept of Primary Industries
FSB – Fruit Spotting Bug
PM – Pink’s Mammoth Custard Apple
IPM – Integrated Pest Management
KJ Pink – Custard Apple developed by us (named after us Keith & Judy & from a Pinks Mammoth)
MB – Mealy Bug
PBR – Plant Breeders Rights
 
Keith We’ve grown Custard Apples for over 30 years and been on this farm for 26 years. It use to be a pineapple farm but pineapples are not a commercial proposition on these small acreages with the gradient of the hills and erosion. We grew strawberries for a while. We planted African Pride Custard Apples which pollinate very well and get quite a nice fruit if grown really well and the fruit have a nice flavour but they also have a  high percentage of seed.
Sheryl  Are there any varieties of AP that don’t get as many seeds?
Keith    There is a strain of AP called Palethorpe and it’s a big AP.
Sheryl   Is it under Plant Breeders Rights?
Keith     No, contact Alan George at the DPI at Nambour. It’s not as heavy a cropper as straight AP.
Sheryl   How many seeds would there be in it?
Keith    As a percentage, it would be a lot less.  Some of you may remember Island Gem but when you got a shower of rain, you had to duck because all the fruit used to split and throw seeds everywhere. One of the original areas of Brisbane which use to grow CA was the Sunnybank/Rochedale/Redland Bay areas. I remember trees 20 mtrs high. Pinks Mammoth or Bullock Heart has always been the preferred eating fruit. Along came Hilary White which was a sport off Pinks Mammoth. A chap called Hilary White at Redland Bay noticed a branch bearing differently on a tree so the DPI monitored it. It produces more fruit but has a softer skin but it’s still the Pinks Mammoth flavour but does tend to set a few more fruit than what straight Pinks Mammoth does but it splits more and has a few other smaller problems but it is very pleasant to eat and has good colour. Our KJ came from a sport on a PM as well. It was the furthermost tree on our property against the scrub and it was the furthermost branch on that tree and we noticed that it had a lot more fruit set on it. It actually got a big ball of fruit and it was a very small branch so we propped it up so it didn’t snap off. It had a ball of fruit you could put your arms around but you couldn’t put your hand in it as it was just solid fruit. Alan George and I watched it for 5 years and then planted some out so it was 7-8 years before we got PBR on it.
Member  Did you propagate by seed?
Keith    No, most varieties of tree crops are not true to type from seed – some are but usually they’re propagated by grafting or cutting shoots or taking budwood to produce that actual tree otherwise you lose the strain. It’s changed custard apple growing because people can plant KJ’s and they know they’ll get a good commercial crop but the biggest problem is that if you don’t thin the fruit off the tree, you get smaller fruit. The industry has now planted around 15,000 trees and it’s exactly the same flavour as PM. We use to grow about 40-50 tonne every year.

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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2017, 08:40:44 AM »
It would appear that the Coochie Island Atemoya is the variety named Island Gem that originated on the island of Coochie mudlo island in Brisbane moreton bay...... Why do nurseries need to give plants new names ???????              Mike

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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2017, 08:45:28 AM »
It would appear that the Coochie Island Atemoya is the variety named Island Gem that originated on the island of Coochie mudlo island in Brisbane moreton bay...... Why do nurseries need to give plants new names ???????              Mike

Thank you for this.
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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2017, 09:15:21 AM »
It would appear that the Coochie Island Atemoya is the variety named Island Gem that originated on the island of Coochie mudlo island in Brisbane moreton bay...... Why do nurseries need to give plants new names ???????              Mike
« Last Edit: December 12, 2017, 08:06:42 PM by johnb51 »
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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2017, 04:45:57 PM »
With the Coochie Island Atemoya I could be wrong & maybe is a seedling of Island Gem & could be renamed & the nursery picked a name where the Island Gem came from....... Can someone ring the nursery & find out & let us know ????? Mike

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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2017, 05:18:14 PM »
With the Coochie Island Atemoya I could be wrong & maybe is a seedling of Island Gem & could be renamed & the nursery picked a name where the Island Gem came from....... Can someone ring the nursery & find out & let us know ????? Mike

I think they are different because JF mentions Island Gem and Coochie Island.  Maybe he will see this and chime in.


It would appear that the Coochie Island Atemoya is the variety named Island Gem that originated on the island of Coochie mudlo island in Brisbane moreton bay...... Why do nurseries need to give plants new names ???????              Mike
Because "coochie" sounds like "hoochie."

Coochie has always meant  ({})  to me.  8) ;D
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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2017, 08:06:08 PM »
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Re: Which atemoyas self pollinates?
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2017, 09:33:40 PM »
As an aside a large proportion of the commercially grown atemoyas in Queensland are exported to SE Asia. Pinks Mammoth and Hillary white are two main export varieties and are preferred in SE Asia.