Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton

[cgps]

oh,I see, thank you

[JF]

Camile, if you read through the older post on this thread you'll see that we arent really sure if its a hybrid or a pure annona cherimola. What we do know is that its better adapted to the lowland tropical climate of south florida than cherimoya.

if I had to wager, I'd say there's some squamosa in the mix.  Maybe its an atemoya backcrossed to a cherimoya.

Adams, great pics love the foliage!here are pics of Leo Manuel's 3 trees of atemoyas backcrossed to a cherimoyas you be the judge...pay close attention to the folige.

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[JoeP450]

looks like a sugar apple

Doubly agree.


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[FlyingFoxFruits]

thanks for sharing these pics JF...I honestly can't tell!

I just know the Dream is close enough to pass as a cherimoya...even if it's a fugazi, it's a great fruit!

supposedly very cold tolerant! 

I will have to get the story again from Wayne, concerning this plants origin...but I remember him saying it was a cherimoya seed he planted that he brought back from south amercia...it was growing poorly on it's own roots, so he grafted it onto an atemoya rootstock...which made the tree very vigorous...he was impressed by the trees productivity without hand pollination, and its ability to withstand hard freezes, less than 25F, and it reportedly taste like a cherimoya.

[JF]

thanks for sharing these pics JF...I honestly can't tell!

I just know the Dream is close enough to pass as a cherimoya...even if it's a fugazi, it's a great fruit!

supposedly very cold tolerant! 

I will have to get the story again from Wayne, concerning this plants origin...but I remember him saying it was a cherimoya seed he planted that he brought back from south amercia...it was growing poorly on it's own roots, so he grafted it onto an atemoya rootstock...which made the tree very vigorous...he was impressed by the trees productivity without hand pollination, and its ability to withstand hard freezes, less than 25F, and it reportedly taste like a cherimoya.

the fruit looks a lot like an Atemoya but as I demonstrated in the pics of Leo's backcrossed cherimoya it could go either way. Keep us posted we are all anxious and awaiting

[kh0110]

Check the resemblance with my mystery Atemoya (the vendor called it Australian Atemoya). After consulting a few people, I think it's just African Pride. These 2 fruits are the only ones that have a weird angular shapes. The leaves are also very similar to those of Adam's tree.

Photo taken 09/07/2013:


09/22/2013

[Tim]

Finally some pictures, sorry to pile on but that's not a cherimoya Adam. Atemoya

[Guanabanus]

When one gets a seed from a Cherimoya, then one knows for a fact the mama of the seed was a cherimoya, but one doesn't know who the papa was (unless one hand-pollinated the flower that produced the fruit).

Cherimoya pollinated by Sugar-Apple is called "atemoya" (with the stronger maternal genetic dominance of the cherimoya);  Sugar-Apple pollinated by Cherimoya is also called "atemoya" (with the maternal dominance of the Sugar-Apple).

The back-cross possibility, especially if it was Cherimoya pollinated by Atemoya, would be 3/4 Cherimoya in its nuclear DNA, and all Cherimoya in its Mitochondrial and Chloroplast DNA.  It would still be called an Atemoya.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Finally some pictures, sorry to pile on but that's not a cherimoya Adam. Atemoya

Tim,

no need to apologize...I've had my doubts from the beginning...but I'm still happy to have a new atemoya cv.  Maybe you can spearhead the movement to petition for Wayne to legally change the name of this cultivar?

Guanabanus,

thanks for the excellent info as usual.  You always teach me something.

[mangorific]

Adam, thanks for posting pics. I'm on Wayne's waiting list. Shipping isn't offered, only local pickup. At about 400 miles round trip and $60 for a 3-gallon Dream, I'm not sure I'll be collecting my specimen given this new information.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Adam, thanks for posting pics. I'm on Wayne's waiting list. Shipping isn't offered, only local pickup. At about 400 miles round trip and $60 for a 3-gallon Dream, I'm not sure I'll be collecting my specimen given this new information.

I wouldnt let that deter me!

this might be the best atemoya you can grow!

I believe the fruit is virtually indiscernible from a true cherimoya.

it doesn't require hand pollination...and is reportedly much more cold tolerant than most atemoyas..being able to tolerate brief exposures to 20F when mature.

[Tim]

For what it's worth, I think you're throwing us for a loop... You've shared 3 or 4 pictures of this so called Dream fruits but each time it looks nothing like the last. I also don't see consistency in foliage... What's the story here? Area 51-ish or you have it hidden somewhere?

[davidgarcia899]

Have you actually tasted the fruit, or seen these magical properties Adam?

[johnb51]

The controversy deepens.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

For what it's worth, I think you're throwing us for a loop... You've shared 3 or 4 pictures of this so called Dream fruits but each time it looks nothing like the last. I also don't see consistency in foliage... What's the story here? Area 51-ish or you have it hidden somewhere?

Tim,

I didn't select or name this variety, and no, I haven't got to taste one yet.

as I've stated before in this thread, I've had doubts that it's a true cherimoya...but I dont really care if it's got some squamosa blood.

based on what several experience growers have told me, (who've all tasted the fruit, and many other annonas) I've heard it's one of the best you can grow in FL.

other than that...I don't know what to tell you chief.

[JF]

For what it's worth, I think you're throwing us for a loop... You've shared 3 or 4 pictures of this so called Dream fruits but each time it looks nothing like the last. I also don't see consistency in foliage... What's the story here? Area 51-ish or you have it hidden somewhere?

You are right Tim. I went back to the beginning of the thread and the pics that Adam posted was defiantly a cherimoya nothing like the fruit he recently posted.

Adam
I'm still interested in budwood from the Dream annona I will contact you in late February. 

[FlyingFoxFruits]

the first pics of the ripe fruit were sent to my by Wayne.

and the fruits I posted pics of just recently, are on my dream tree from Wayne.

I can understand how someone might confuse an atemoya for a cherimoya...and vica versa.

we already touched on this issue in this thread, so it's not really surprising to me that the dream might have some squamosa blood.

[phantomcrab]

I stopped by Wayne's house today and took some pictures of his Dream cherimoya tree and immature fruit. He says the seed originated from mountainous eastern Peru. I do not have any experience with cherimoyas other than eating them so you members judge for yourself. It does not look like any atemoya I've ever seen.

[Tim]

Wow that looks way closer to squamosa than cherimola

[cuban007]

I've seen Atemoyas that look like the fruit on the pic in Fallbrook.

[fruitlovers]

Those leaves look like atemoya, not cherimoya.

[kh0110]

There is definitely a lot of Squamosa in those fruits. The leaves are also definitely Atemoya leaves.

[JF]

I wish Wayne and his followers stop calling this a Cherimoya.....it's very annoying.

[fruitlovers]

In Cuba they call all the reticulatas: cherimoya. I think the ilama is also called cherimoya in some places. So that name is applied to different species in different countries. Maybe Wayne should call it a Wayneamoya? 

[cuban007]

En Cuba es Chirimoya.

J, they can call it whatever they want. In fact, that is their Dream Cherimoya. Looks nice. If it is anything like the ones I have tasted in Fallbrook, it is a nice tasting fruit.

In Cuba they call all the reticulatas: cherimoya. I think the ilama is also called cherimoya in some places. So that name is applied to different species in different countries. Maybe Wayne should call it a Wayneamoya?