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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Some rare variety hardy seedlings
« on: December 07, 2020, 04:57:34 AM »
Lebmung, are you sure that you have Ichang papeda or Ichang Lemon or something else.
I have been growing three different clones of papeda and they all have leaves smelling like lawn grass with a hint  of parsley, very different from lemon.

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Socal, you are using data for the peel, not juice, these are two completely different stories.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Pomelos
« on: December 04, 2020, 05:55:41 PM »
Tedburn, yes, Sarawak is considered as a synonym of Taitian.

Millet, I am growing some varieties in pots that are kept in cold frame during the two winter months, but later are moved to conservatory.  Taitian is in flowers at the beginning of March and fruits begin to be edible in November.

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The bitter taste of grapefruit is not due to the presence of furanocoumarins. Pomelos contain approximately the same concentration  as classic grapefruits. For other varieties  the highest, almost 3 fold greater amount is in Combava, limes and sour oranges are also rich in them.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Pomelos
« on: December 04, 2020, 12:00:30 PM »
I think Taitian is the best pomelo variety available in Europe.
It is quite sweet and juicy in 9 months after flower. In isolation it is completely seedless.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichang papeda fruiting season?
« on: November 23, 2020, 11:09:45 AM »
   I grafted a small branch of Ichang Papeda on a young Poncirus seedling last fall. It surprised me with its flowers at an early age. The rootstock is not even 1.5 years old.
It is quite normal that mature wood grafted on juvenile seedling flower early. Rootstock does not influence the degree of maturity of the bud.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: How to overwinter potted Poncirus
« on: November 22, 2020, 02:39:34 PM »
It will be difficult to keep greenhouse at around 0°C all over the winter. At temperatures higher  than 12C it starts vegetation and can be damaged by sudden temperature drop. 
Poncirus is hardy up to -24C; it should be completely resistant in your climate if you put your pot in ground close to greenhouse.

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Genome sequencing is never-ending process  because of repeats and population polymorphism.
This recent achievement is covering 97% of poncirus genome

Article

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Trifoliate graft incompatibilities?
« on: November 21, 2020, 04:36:28 AM »
With HLB out there why add one more unnecessary obstacle for trees to overcome?
 If you are going to use a rootstock why not at least try Sugarbelle which has been reported to be tolerant of HLB?
PT is highly tolerant  and even partially resistant for HLB infection.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: October 22, 2020, 03:24:20 AM »
You have excellent  growing conditions. :)

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichang papeda tasting / flavor
« on: October 21, 2020, 01:12:46 PM »
Most probably a Yuzu but need a leaf photo to be sure. Ichangensis is very heterogeneous, could also be  CRC3931  that is rather globular in shape


In France we have C.ichangensis SRA241 that has also round fruits

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: problems with grafted citrus trees
« on: September 19, 2020, 06:00:44 AM »
Not this substrate, but even cheaper one, typically in France it can be found in Aldi supermarkets. Actually, home made compost can be also used.
The holes should be not in the bottom, but on the bottom part of side walls. You can make them with electric drill.
The spacing between them could be up to 10 cm


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: problems with grafted citrus trees
« on: September 19, 2020, 03:41:05 AM »
Where are you in Belgium? If you speak French, read recommendations on forum Agrumes-Passion, there are many people from Belgium that successfully growing citruses.
Basically, I guess your problems are in roots, pots should be very aerating, citrus roots outside soil need a lot of oxygen to withstand  diseases. Most of citruses from Sicily are delivered in heavy clay, because they were grown in fields. In majority of cases the vendors are washing this soil, but just add some light substrate outside. The water is easily draining but the clay is becoming dry. So you should wash this clay on delivery.
Than the easiest way is to use a cheap pine compost that is always available in supermarkets, check it before, it should still contain some granulation. If you want to use something else avoid "Citrus" substrates, majority of them are very bad. Instead, a good commercial substrate for potted plants with addition of equal volume of perlite  should be fine.
To assure aeration, some people here are perforating the bottom sides of plastic pots with holes of ~1 cm and the same distance between them. You should not put any drainage matter to the bottom. To fill the gaps between roots just use water  flow. 
For the fertilizer- most so called citrus fertilizers in Europe are not appropriate. The closest to ideal is Feriligene fertilizer for geraniums  18-6-12  with Mg and microelements.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: ID this Mystery Citrus fruit
« on: September 16, 2020, 04:12:15 AM »
Could be just citrus mite infestation during flowering

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: kishu mandarin x poncirus?
« on: September 12, 2020, 04:12:34 AM »
Satsumas are highly nucellar and their flowers are rarely contain pollen.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: kishu mandarin x poncirus?
« on: September 11, 2020, 12:30:39 PM »
Ilya11, tell us about Southern Yellow.  I have never heard of it, and I'm sure many on this forum, if not most, have never heard of it.  Is it a mandarin?  I typed "Southern Yellow" on the Internet but found nothing.
Millet, it is a kind of seedless sweet pomelo.
Here some pictures of it

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: kishu mandarin x poncirus?
« on: September 11, 2020, 04:05:31 AM »
Seedless Kishu (Mukaku kishu) is completely seedless due to the abortion of all embryos early in development, but the pollen is fertile and several valuable hybrids were produced in Japan, including Southern Yellow that inherited seedlessness. This could be a problem in your project, since you will probably need subsequent crosses to other varieties to achieve some degree  of sweetness and will be obliged to use only pollen.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Poncirus winter protection
« on: September 06, 2020, 08:54:34 AM »
I am in zone 6a. I have a Poncirus trifoilata that I planted in ground this spring. It is about 3 feet tall. Do I need to provide winter protection? If so, would I need to include a heater?
I guess  6a is at the limit of a long time survival of poncirus.
Since you have a long period of frozen ground, avoid winter sun, put some mulch around the stem.
Ideally,a passive heat protection like a box of styrofoam will help, I do not think that you need active heating.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Poncirus fruit comparison
« on: September 01, 2020, 01:02:11 PM »
Jiri, a presence of underdeveloped seeds is probably a good sign of zygotic nature of this variety.
Have you also tried to germinated them? In some cases, liberated from testa they are able to give seedlings.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: N1triVoss
« on: July 20, 2020, 04:49:12 PM »
Just above the first pair of true leaves.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: N1triVoss
« on: July 20, 2020, 09:34:17 AM »
This grapefruit-like early flowering on the top of stem growth occurs often in N1tri seedlings.
It is one of the reasons why I believe  that this variety is a a hybrid of ichangensis  with some sort of citrumelo.
These flowers are giving very rarely fruits because the whole plant at this  stage  is rather weak.
But if you cut them near the ground, there is a chance that new emerging  growths  will flower on the tops next spring.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Removable of Orange bitterness
« on: July 12, 2020, 11:31:07 AM »
I guess first of all  you should use only  "untreated after harvest " oranges, since most of Spanish citruses contain fungicides in their peel.
By  boiling pith with baking soda you can remove the bitterness even from poncirus peel.
http://www.eattheweeds.com/?s=Sour+orange
Also: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=35316.0

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Cold hardiness of bergamot?
« on: July 06, 2020, 05:52:20 PM »
The origin of bergamot is still not exactly known, but the latest data point to C. limon × C. aurantium backcross.
I never tested it in a open ground, but according to experience in the South of France it is resistant up to -8C(18F)

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Quadrifoliate poncirus
« on: June 09, 2020, 04:38:06 AM »

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