thanks 
if you looked at JF's topic, I also posted in there on this, but wanted to start a new topic to not take away from his original post..
I tried searching for BioFlora, but can't find any online store that sells it.. even the "Dry Crumbles".. JF uses that too, so is it better than Dynagro? I have been reading up on humic acid now and it seems that if it reaches drinking water, it's toxic to humans.. so maybe that's not a good idea then if it touches the skin?.. The azomite I found out is really good for the soil, with like 67 nutrients all together? (on Amazon's page at least).. how much do you apply? Since it will be my first application with Azomite, should I apply more to the hole of each tree and mix it in?
I looked throughout google and found out it's in a 50 pound bag for about $20-25? that's all I can find so far..
also find bioflora's website with this page that shows your different distributors/locations.. but those are all too far 
for me to go to Temecula would be almost 2 hours drive.. dang, everyone else always gets the good stuff.. people in FL gets easy grow because of the weather (not hot and dry like here), and even people here in CA can get good fertilizer except me.. 
I have to do with things like Dr. Earth Organics 9 ($45-50 per 25 pounds on Amazon, which is really expensive) and things like Dynagro that shouldn't be used, that's what JF says..
http://www.bioflora.com/contact/
Here's a simple way to look at it:
-Use synthetic fertilizer for growing trees in pots
-Organic for trees in-ground
Dyna-Gro is great stuff, arguably the best one-part liquid fertilizer out there. If you're growing in pots, use Dyna-Gro if you can handle mixing up batches every time you water. Osmocote Plus or something similar if you can't hand water every time. The best is fertigation with Dyna-Gro or something similar -- this is how the commercial growers do it. Big batches of Peter's or Jack's injected with every watering.
Also, humic acids are not toxic and it's fine if it touches your skin, it's just like compost goo. It's a soil conditioner, no big deal. Same with Azomite. It helps the microbes in the soil and provides some micros over the long term. But neither are actual fertilizers and neither are readily available to the plants, they need microbes to work. If you just use azomite and humic acids and nothing else, your plants will die.
If you're growing in-ground, a popular fert that's granular with lots of humus, check out Gro-Power citrus and fruit. It's sold all over, so no special ordering needed. And it's made in SoCal for SoCal farmers for SoCal soil conditions. Looking at the BioFlora label, there's nothing magic in their mix, pretty generic and missing out on some of the better organic ingredients one would find in Dr. Earth or even General Organics, Earth Juice, etc. It looks like it's a mid-range fertilizer at a good price.
Josh,
Thanks for simplifying things so a noob like me can understand. 
I've been using DynaGro Foliage Pro Protekt for the last 3 years for all my potted plants, they are doing great. What I need now is to improve the conditions for the in-ground trees. I visited a hydroponics store today and saw all kinds of products, very confusing. They carry products by General Organics, Earth Juice, Fox Farms, Tiger, Maxsea, plus a bunch of others I had never heard of. Some are in powder form, but most are liquid, they're a hydroponics store after all. Do you have any recommendations for the products I listed above? I'm also thinking of dumping a few bags of worm castings and mulch around the trees.
Hey dude, glad to help as much as I can, I too am a noob compared to a lot of guys on here with acres of land, though I have done an embarrassing amount of research into fertilizers. There's tons of studies about commercial farming of pretty much every crop available, so reading what the pros do is really helpful. After all, they grow for a living and universities are set up to best understand how to help plants thrive. Fertilizer is kinda an obsession of mine...kinda weird to say outloud.
Anyway, hydro stores are really just weed growing stores, I bet only 10% of their customers do real hydro. And they cater to people with money to burn. Then again, I've spent a stupid amount of money there, and I order my Biothrive and Dyna-Gro Foliage, KLN and Pro-Tekt from my local store since they are willing to give good deals (the weed growing business is competitive). They'll order pretty much anything you want, especially good prices on perlite. But otherwise the fertilizers in there are for pot growers who are looking to push very specific types of growth. They work well for tomatoes, not necessarily right for trees. Most of what the hydro store sells is hype, though there are some legit products. Dyna-Gro probably makes most of their money from hydro stores at this point.
Anyway, as for the ferts, General Organics and Earth Juice are both top brand organics, Fox Farms is mid range, Max Sea is good stuff and cheap, though not an actual fertilizer. My issue with all those? Really expensive and a pain to use. I give my in ground trees a shot of General Organics Biothrive Grow once a month. I'd fertilize with every watering if I had the cash and the patience to mix it up in a watering can. They sell the stuff in 55 gallon drums but I'm not that crazy. General Organics BioRoot fertilizer is also great. I ran out of it recently, it's good when establishing any new tree. Of course, it's expensive (relatively).
You can get General Organics starter kit if you want to play around with their products -- seaweed, fish, humus, etc. It's a good way to see what you like. It also gets you hooked.
For in-ground, I've started to use Gro-Power's line of fertilizers. They were at Green Scene and I got a free sample of their new time release which looks pretty interesting. I already use their Citrus and Avo. Gro-Power is a kind of half-way organic company which is becoming really popular with growers. Nature's Source is another, which I'm thinking of switching to for liquid fertigation. The half-organic idea is you feed the soil organically while also providing synthetic NPK ferts to push the most growth. Gro-Power is packed with humus and designed for California soils. It's not OMRI rated but it is designed to help the soil microbes explode. Better yet, commercial growers use it, it's cheap and available at Crop Production Services and Ewings.
The issue with the full organic approach is you really don't know how much NPK and micros a tree is getting. Manure, the main ingredient, can have wildly different NPK ratios depending on what the cow/horse/chicken/bat/rabbit ate and how long the shit has been sitting around.
That said, mulch and compost are great. At the very least, they don't hurt. Worms, mycos, bacteria, it's all good for in ground trees. And people have been growing trees organically with animal guano forever. And some people are fine with just using compost, but I think using a known fert like Gro-Power or Osmocote or whatever is the way to go. At least, that's what the pro growers do. I've heard that Durling's, commercial grower of many of the best citrus and avos, uses fert injection for all their trees to give some NPK and micros with every watering.
My ideal fertilizer program for in ground fruit trees? Gro-Power half strength along with fertilizer injecting Nature's Source during the growth phase and a bloom fert in the bloom phase. Along with a second injector for potassium silicate (Pro-Tekt) and another injector for PH. But now we're talking serious money.
Then again, it's an evolving hobby with no right answers
Hope that helps, let me know if you have any other questions.
