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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Mr. Clean on July 28, 2014, 09:12:33 PM
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I was optimistic when I planted my Pina Colada mango tree. It has been in the ground for about two years. It had a full bloom this year and zero fruit set. In comparison other trees of the same age have produced over 30 mangos. I plan on giving Pina Colada another year, but I am doubtful of the tree's ability to be productive in my yard. In preparation to say farewell, I grafted two scions of a Carrie mango to the trunk of the Pina Colada.
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Patience Grasshopper. You need to give tgese trees at leadt 5 years. If this is your thinking, you better get that axe out andbuy a bunch of pine trees.
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Patience Grasshopper. You need to give tgese trees at leadt 5 years. If this is your thinking, you better get that axe out andbuy a bunch of pine trees.
Do you have any pictures of a productive Pina Colada mango tree?
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Patience Grasshopper. You need to give tgese trees at leadt 5 years. If this is your thinking, you better get that axe out andbuy a bunch of pine trees.
Do you have any pictures of a productive Pina Colada mango tree?
I generally go to 5 years on grafted trees, seedlings get extra leeway. If it's a mango you really want, I'd persist with it a little longer. You can force them to flower with potassium nitrate as a foliar spray, but since you said flowering isn't the issue I'm not sure if this will help. I'd still give this a shot irregardless--like the song says, strange things happen everyday....
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Clear all that grass away from your pina colada tree. That probably ain't helping the tree's nutrient uptake.
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Patience Grasshopper. You need to give tgese trees at leadt 5 years. If this is your thinking, you better get that axe out andbuy a bunch of pine trees.
Do you have any pictures of a productive Pina Colada mango tree?
I generally go to 5 years on grafted trees, seedlings get extra leeway. If it's a mango you really want, I'd persist with it a little longer. You can force them to flower with potassium nitrate as a foliar spray, but since you said flowering isn't the issue I'm not sure if this will help. I'd still give this a shot irregardless--like the song says, strange things happen everyday....
Right now I'm just making it a cocktail mango tree by attaching Carrie scions. I plan on giving it another season. The Pina Colada seems to have a large number of male flowers, which reduces fruit. The flowers also seem susceptible to anthracnose. There are other reasons to remove it, it is a small mango with a large seed. I plan on giving it another year though to prove me wrong.
I would be very interested in seeing a picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree.
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Will you be making a cocktail mango tree or totally kill it if it does not perform?
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Will you be making a cocktail mango tree or totally kill it if it does not perform?
I am currently attaching scions to make a cocktail mango tree. If the Pina Colada doesn't perform, I can just cut off most (or all) of the Pina Colada limbs to make it a Carrie tree, so that I use the existing root structure.
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Yah, some trees require several years before a judgement call can be made. The glenn is famously a workhorse mango, yet I know at least 2 folks who've had to wait several years for theirs to bear. If you had a 1/10 acre lot and you only had space for 2 or 3 trees, then I could see why you would be getting antsy. But I remember you having a pretty good sized lot, so removing the tree this early in the game doesn't seem like it's going to serve much of a purpose.
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I nearly killed myself today digging my mango bed. I dug up the f&*^%$ mains power cable! Lucky it is inside poly tube, otherwise my goose would have been cooked!
Remember to be careful when digging guys--don't be a dickhead, like me.
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Just wait. Don't do it.
You have plenty of trees, and in the future variety will be more important than production. Soon you'll have more mango than you can deal with.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I have around 20-25 varieties of mangos in ground, so I'm not too worried about lack of variety. Honestly, it is too many varieties; it is hard to remember when a mango is ripe with too many varieties. I would like each of the trees to reliably bear fruit, so when I give tours, I can give guests fruit. Does anyone have a picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree? A picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree would really help.
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Mr. Clean,
I have heard someone say its of the tastiest mangos ever. Give it a chance. YOU can be the first guy to post a picture of a productive tree, tell us how awesome the fruit is... and make us jealous.
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Does anyone have a picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree? A picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree would really help.
My PC is very productive. A closeup from last year. Delicious fruit that do taste a bit like a pina colada and with a pineappley smell and taste.
(http://s27.postimg.cc/a9ktwrc1b/mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a9ktwrc1b/)
another photo
(http://s24.postimg.cc/aflhgta9t/mango_tree2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aflhgta9t/)
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Does anyone have a picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree? A picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree would really help.
My PC is very productive. A closeup from last year. Delicious fruit that do taste a bit like a pina colada and with a pineappley smell and taste.
(http://s27.postimg.cc/a9ktwrc1b/mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a9ktwrc1b/)
another photo
(http://s24.postimg.cc/aflhgta9t/mango_tree2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aflhgta9t/)
That is not a Pina Colada tree.
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That is not a Pina Colada tree.
Sez you. You wish you had one like mine!
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My little PC tree only bore 2 this year, but they were incredibly delicious.
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Does anyone have a picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree? A picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree would really help.
My PC is very productive. A closeup from last year. Delicious fruit that do taste a bit like a pina colada and with a pineappley smell and taste.
(http://s27.postimg.cc/a9ktwrc1b/mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a9ktwrc1b/)
another photo
(http://s24.postimg.cc/aflhgta9t/mango_tree2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aflhgta9t/)
That is not a Pina Colada tree.
Yep, not a pina colada tree.
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Hey Sleepdoc just keep the tree healthy . Remove the weeds around the tree , fertilize , foliar and water correctly like you do your other trees.
Try not to pay too much attention to its growth / bearing habits . Focus on something else ... that's when she'll start performing !
Good luck. Probably no one else has a mature tree that bears fruit consistently .... too new a cultivar maybe????
Be grateful with what you have 20 -25 trees . That's amazing , some people would give anything to have 1 or 2 productive mango trees in there yard. It's all perspective. Give thanks man and forget about that one tree like i said before !
Mike
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Hey Sleepdoc just keep the tree healthy . Remove the weeds around the tree , fertilize , foliar and water correctly like you do your other trees.
Try not to pay too much attention to its growth / bearing habits . Focus on something else ... that's when she'll start performing !
Good luck. Probably no one else has a mature tree that bears fruit consistently .... too new a cultivar maybe????
Be grateful with what you have 20 -25 trees . That's amazing , some people would give anything to have 1 or 2 productive mango trees in there yard. It's all perspective. Give thanks man and forget about that one tree like i said before !
Mike
I think you meant "Mr. Clean". Thanks for the suggestions; I have a bad feeling about Pina Colada not being productive. I am giving it another year. I have about 20-25 varieties of mango trees (about 30-35 mango trees; several duplicates). Total fruit trees / plants is in the range of 70-75.
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Does anyone have a picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree? A picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree would really help.
My PC is very productive. A closeup from last year. Delicious fruit that do taste a bit like a pina colada and with a pineappley smell and taste.
(http://s27.postimg.cc/a9ktwrc1b/mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a9ktwrc1b/)
another photo
(http://s24.postimg.cc/aflhgta9t/mango_tree2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aflhgta9t/)
That is not a Pina Colada tree.
Yep, not a pina colada tree.
I believe Pina Colada has more of a "blockish" shape than these mangos. It also had a yellow blush rather than reddish blush shown in the picture. The second photo appears to me to be a picture from the Fruit & Spice Park in Homestead (look at the white sign posts to the left of the tree).
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I do agree with you Mr. Clean. Out here at my Cali Desert ranch, all the PC fruits
(all 4 of them) have simply gone from green to yellow overtaking the fruit.
Do they really get a red blush like that???
And you are also right, they are small. I'm waiting for my last 2 to ripen
and hopefully be pleasantly surprised....
Gary
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I think zands posted that as a joke :-).
I think starling is dead on with the 5 year rule of thumb. Give her 5 years. The juvenile period of some trees can be quite long.
The first thing that the novice fruit tree lubber learns is the virtue in patience. Comes in handy for other areas of life (investing, relationships, etc).
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My little PC tree only bore 2 this year, but they were incredibly delicious.
Mine has two as well; they still aren't ready yet though.
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I think zands posted that as a joke :-).
I think starling is dead on with the 5 year rule of thumb. Give her 5 years. The juvenile period of some trees can be quite long.
The first thing that the novice fruit tree lubber learns is the virtue in patience. Comes in handy for other areas of life (investing, relationships, etc).
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Yep. The hour of reward is buried in years of patience. And labor.
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OK....I got busted!!!!!
Gary
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Does anyone have a picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree? A picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree would really help.
My PC is very productive. A closeup from last year. Delicious fruit that do taste a bit like a pina colada and with a pineappley smell and taste.
(http://s27.postimg.cc/a9ktwrc1b/mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a9ktwrc1b/)
another photo
(http://s24.postimg.cc/aflhgta9t/mango_tree2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aflhgta9t/)
Zands- Do you put Pina Colada in the Elite tier group with LZ, CC, Sweet Tart, Carrie etc.? or is this a tier 2 or even tier 3 Mango?
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For the record...my 3gal baby PC from Top tropical sent a billion blossoms and actually fruited one tiny Mango that dropped after about 2 weeks....This is most definitely a 1 year graft and already was able to at least produce one tiny Mango...
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Zands- Do you put Pina Colada in the Elite tier group with LZ, CC, Sweet Tart, Carrie etc.? or is this a tier 2 or even tier 3 Mango?
Those two above photos were a joke. My PC is still small and is slow growing. I had two bland fruits from it last year. This year - a profusion of beautiful panicles that look better than what I see on other mango trees, but no fruits stayed. Might have been raining and fungus hit them.
So I cannot rank the fruit. I see some Pina Colada fruit evaluations in this sites archives.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=166.msg1960#msg1960 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=166.msg1960#msg1960)
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4111.msg149168#msg149168 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4111.msg149168#msg149168)
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Still looking for a REAL photo of a productive Pina Colada mango tree.
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These newer Zill varieties have only been released and available for 2 or 3 years so you aren’t going to get anyone posting a picture of a mature tree. You are also not going to be able to fully determine any aspect of what production will be or can be from any of the grafted trees that have been purchased/planted since its release in 2011/2012 (I can't remember off the top of my head the year it was released) as they are far too young. This has been said, over and over but some refuse to listen.
The Pina Colada was productive when it was 40-14 and mother tree be productive since it has been named Pina Colada. I have seen the mother tree however I am not at liberty to post any pictures of it.
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Still looking for a REAL photo of a productive Pina Colada mango tree.
YOU post that picture one day - I look forward to seeing your loaded with fruit!
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These newer Zill varieties have only been released and available for 2 or 3 years so you aren’t going to get anyone posting a picture of a mature tree. You are also not going to be able to fully determine any aspect of what production will be or can be from any of the grafted trees that have been purchased/planted since its release in 2011/2012 (I can't remember off the top of my head the year it was released) as they are far too young. This has been said, over and over but some refuse to listen.
The Pina Colada was productive when it was 40-14 and mother tree be productive since it has been named Pina Colada. I have seen the mother tree however I am not at liberty to post any pictures of it.
Wait a second, slow down, let me try and understand this. So what you're saying is that because this tree was only released two or three years ago that no one will be able to post a pic of a productive fully mature tree? How is that possible? Please explain it again one more time.. some of us are really damn slow.
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maybe Rob is lying so he can have all the productive trees to himself ::)
If it doesn't fruit by the time I get the tree home, it's no good to me. ;)
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Hate to say it, but Rob is a filthy liar. I have a 15 year old cocktail mango tree composed of pina colada, sweet tart, galaxy, and orange sherbet.
For those in doubt, here's the picture:
(http://s28.postimg.cc/pispxbmzt/fruit_salad_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pispxbmzt/)
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^ Looks legit. ;D :P
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The force is strong in these "Mango Trolls"
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Hate to say it, but Rob is a filthy liar. I have a 15 year old cocktail mango tree composed of pina colada, sweet tart, galaxy, and orange sherbet.
For those in doubt, here's the picture:
(http://s28.postimg.cc/pispxbmzt/fruit_salad_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pispxbmzt/)
Too legit to quit.
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The force is strong in these "Mango Trolls"
hahahaha
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Lol :o
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Dang Cleaners!!!! i can't believe you quit the Pina Colada tree so quickley?
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well, that's one way to make sure that you never know whether or not the PC will produce well in your yard. This was a very abnormal year with a) lack of cold and b) tons of rain -- both are bad for mango production. I probably wouldn't base my judgement calls on what trees live or die on an abnormal year. Ohh well. Not my yard.
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Put a Tommy Atkins in its place. Better yet, cut down any tree that has not produced prolifically in the first two years. Tommy Atkins has crazy production. Who cares about flavor anyway?
EDIT: Wait ! I forgot about Donkey Killer ! Plant a grove of those bad boys ! ;)
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I hope that isn't the PC tree. If so, I guess destroying it instead of offering it to those who have recently joined this forum, or are new to growing their own fruit was a mature decision. Hopefully nobody reading this takes your approach to tree care.
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Same as Mr Clean, my Pina Colada is a slow and frustrating grower. Easily the worst grower of my new Zills which are also LZ and ST (Sweet Tart). My pina colada also having a bizarrely wide diameter at the base at the graft. Also having a branching out that is 50% of optimum. For comparison I have another grafted tree next to it, planted at same time, that is growing 3 times better. I will post photos.
I hope my pina colada is not on some kind of dwarfing rootstock. Doubtful that it is on a Zill experimental dwarfing rootstock but I wonder.....
pina colada had a spectacular bloom this spring but held no fruits. Hopefully this big bloom means some fruit for 2015. But with such slow growth I hope I have the future orientation to remove all 2015 fruits except one. On iffy trees there is a low anxiety, I am always thinking/wondering ahead about what it will do next year. Anxiety about wasted space in my non-infinite size yard because I do have non-mango trees in pots that need to be in ground but I lack the space. Make that wasted in ground growth time too for these deserving but presently potted fruit trees.
BTW I think it is always good idea to have an army reserve of "new soldiers" growing in pots in case a fruit tree has a disaster or tastes awful. If you never plant them you can always sell them. I recently sold a muscadine grape I was waiting to plant that had great new growth on it simply because four months ago I stepped it up from the original one gallon to a three gallon pot. Thus the buyer has a better head start, She bought it to have grape vines covering part of a garden gazebo, to cool it in summer.
Anyone know when Pina Colada fruits tend to come in? Mid-season or outside mid-season?
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Dang we would have loved to had all that Scion wood in Texas!
Ed
(http://s30.postimg.cc/45lmgg3n1/Mango_Tree_003.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/45lmgg3n1/)
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I hope that isn't the PC tree. If so, I guess destroying it instead of offering it to those who have recently joined this forum, or are new to growing their own fruit was a mature decision. Hopefully nobody reading this takes your approach to tree care.
I do not know anything about PC mangoes, but I would have happily paid for that one. :-[. I can' t wait until I get a tree that size.
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Man, I just couldn't have done this.
I'd give anything to have any Zill's mango that size!
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Cut all your trees down. Raise rabbits they produce well.
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You guys jumped to conclusions. I posted a pic of my tree trimmings from my other trees. I am trying to keep them in the 6-8' height range to make picking fruit easier. Most of my mango trees are done producing fruit for this year so it seems like a good time to aggressively prune. This is my Pina Colada mango tree, the trunk is about 4 inches thick at the base; the tree is about 7' tall. I plan on giving the PC another year to prove itself.
(http://s1.postimg.cc/cu5qnwo3v/Mango_Tree_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cu5qnwo3v/)
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Aggressively prune 2 - 3 year old trees? Give a 2 year old tree one more year to prove itself? Keep at 6-8 feet? You seriously need to listen and learn...
...or better yet, go with rabbits, pines, brazilian pepper and bougainvillea, you will be much better off and have less issues.
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Aggressively prune 2 - 3 year old trees? Give a 2 year old tree one more year to prove itself? Keep at 6-8 feet? You seriously need to listen and learn...
...or better yet, go with rabbits, pines, brazilian pepper and bougainvillea, you will be much better off and have less issues.
I believe Dr. Campbell knows more about mango trees than you...
http://youtu.be/WMhmNAiRHC0?list=PL4ytJ6E8eVLqsAULZhLeFoL26L7s65qp2 (http://youtu.be/WMhmNAiRHC0?list=PL4ytJ6E8eVLqsAULZhLeFoL26L7s65qp2)
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You tricked us all Mr. Clean, a photo with a bunch of mango leaves with no description and the title of the thread ;D. Good luck with your tree.
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You guys jumped to conclusions. I posted a pic of my tree trimmings from my other trees. I am trying to keep them in the 6-8' height range to make picking fruit easier. Most of my mango trees are done producing fruit for this year so it seems like a good time to aggressively prune. This is my Pina Colada mango tree, the trunk is about 4 inches thick at the base; the tree is about 7' tall. I plan on giving the PC another year to prove itself.
(http://s1.postimg.cc/cu5qnwo3v/Mango_Tree_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cu5qnwo3v/)
You scared the crap out of all of us. lol Glad you kept it. :) Personally, I would give the pina colada two more years instead of one. All trees are different. Even some trees of the same cultivar can show different behaviors depending on their environment. My Valencia Pride is on it's 3rd year and has not even flowered. It just keeps growing and growing and it is already almost as big as my house height wise (1 story). This was the first year that I actually began to take care of it. I kept 6 foot diameter weed/grass free base and already gave the tree two doses of lesco 8-10-10 palm and tropical fertilizer. The tree looks greener and overall more healthy now. My old neighbor had a valencia pride that began to flower and set a few fruit during it's first year in the ground. Overall, some mango trees (same cultivar) can produce right away and some can go through some sort of a juvenile phase like my valencia pride. If four to five years go by and it still doesn't produce much, then I'll give it the ax treatment or top work it.
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It should be noted that the tree in that particular video was 5 years old when it received that pruning. However it really isn't about the age of the tree, but rather the size and the vigor by which it is growing.
Some of Mr. Clean's trees had indeed become a little out of control and require(d) more aggressive removal of limbs to restructure/redirect the canopy, though most are still small enough where regular tip pruning should suffice for now.
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Aggressively pruning a two year old tree to keep at 6 feet...the next complaint is that it only held 6 fruit. Trees are e aas silly managed and picked at up to 12 - 15 feet....especially when one has plenty of land for it
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I think Mr Clean's frustration is with production (not growth). Slow growing is actually a boon for mango trees .. sorta the holy grail for urban fruit growers -- more variety and less pruning in the same space. It's a short term loss but a long term gain, a bit like getting a college degree -- sucky for the first 4 to 5 years, but pays dividends down the road :-).
BIG is good for things like shade trees, bank accounts, salary, muscles, back yards, etc. But it is bad for fruit trees in a 1/4 urban orchard :-).
I got 2 mangoes from my little 5 foot PC skeleton. They were incredible.
This year was a bad production year for a lot of mango trees. Hopefully we get a more normal climate pattern next year.
Same as Mr Clean, my Pina Colada is a slow and frustrating grower. Easily the worst grower of my new Zills which are also LZ and ST (Sweet Tart). My pina colada also having a bizarrely wide diameter at the base at the graft. Also having a branching out that is 50% of optimum. For comparison I have another grafted tree next to it, planted at same time, that is growing 3 times better. I will post photos.
I hope my pina colada is not on some kind of dwarfing rootstock. Doubtful that it is on a Zill experimental dwarfing rootstock but I wonder.....
pina colada had a spectacular bloom this spring but held no fruits. Hopefully this big bloom means some fruit for 2015. But with such slow growth I hope I have the future orientation to remove all 2015 fruits except one. On iffy trees there is a low anxiety, I am always thinking/wondering ahead about what it will do next year. Anxiety about wasted space in my non-infinite size yard because I do have non-mango trees in pots that need to be in ground but I lack the space. Make that wasted in ground growth time too for these deserving but presently potted fruit trees.
BTW I think it is always good idea to have an army reserve of "new soldiers" growing in pots in case a fruit tree has a disaster or tastes awful. If you never plant them you can always sell them. I recently sold a muscadine grape I was waiting to plant that had great new growth on it simply because four months ago I stepped it up from the original one gallon to a three gallon pot. Thus the buyer has a better head start, She bought it to have grape vines covering part of a garden gazebo, to cool it in summer.
Anyone know when Pina Colada fruits tend to come in? Mid-season or outside mid-season?
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You guys jumped to conclusions. I posted a pic of my tree trimmings from my other trees. I am trying to keep them in the 6-8' height range to make picking fruit easier. Most of my mango trees are done producing fruit for this year so it seems like a good time to aggressively prune. This is my Pina Colada mango tree, the trunk is about 4 inches thick at the base; the tree is about 7' tall. I plan on giving the PC another year to prove itself.
(http://s1.postimg.cc/cu5qnwo3v/Mango_Tree_005.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cu5qnwo3v/)
What size was the tree when you purchased it? What size container did it start out in?
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We should all chip in for the save the Mr. Clean's Pina Colada tree campaign. Maybe we can get him to drop the tree off at the closest orphanage rather than abort it? I'm sure some infertile mangoless family would love to raise that baby! ;)
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Do I see 2 scions grafted on the trunk?
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Clint, yes you do see two through t h e grass and weeds (which look as if they may have been sprayed with roundup. I guess the old saying is two are better than obe however I would not have put them both o ne on top of the other. I would hsve put them staggered on different sides of the trunk.
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Clint, yes you do see two through t h e grass and weeds (which look as if they may have been sprayed with roundup. I guess the old saying is two are better than obe however I would not have put them both o ne on top of the other. I would hsve put them staggered on different sides of the trunk.
To Mr Clean's defense about the weeds,; I have seen Dr Campbell speak about how they let weeds grow around the mango trees at Fairchild Farm- his claim is that the weeds allow for better pollination.
Personally, I like the look of mulch.
I do agree to give the tree more time because many trees do need a few years to start producing well and Pina Colada is so new, that no-one really knows what the norm is. ( This does not apply to Patrick, who has the magic touch and sprays with magic potions ; since his trees have some extra TLC and behave incredibly well....)
And even if Pina Colada remains a low production tree; I think that Mr Clean has so many nice trees, that mango production will not be an issue in the future. In fact, in a few short years, there will be a sea of mangoes...
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My guess is Richard Campbell is more talking of weeds, or some type of "planted weeds" that may attract insects for pollination I also do not agree, believe or follow every single word he says. Experts like him and oou thers do not give away every trick and secret.
And those that think every word is gospel, how do you like all of those curator selections?
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And did he mean weeds around thev tree or weeds right up against the trunk?
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And did he mean weeds around thev tree or weeds right up against the trunk?
Not sure what he meant- he said this at a lecture and his slides did show weeds that were at least close to the trunk, I couldnt tell.
Richard has always told me to mulch and I consider him an expert as well. So differing opinions.
The downside I see logically is that weeds compete for nutrients and moisture , so the later makes sense.
Now once a tree has a significant canopy, unless you cut out most of the middle large branches, like Dr Campbell shows in his video, the shade will choke out the weeks anyway.
Walter Zill's trees have canopies and are close together so the weeds are gone from directly under the tree, but his backyard has significant weeds elsewhere so who knows what his opinion is; I've never asked . Rob, have you ever asked this?
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What size was the tree when you purchased it? What size container did it start out in?
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3 gal. I put it straight into the ground.
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Do I see 2 scions grafted on the trunk?
Yes, two Carrie scions. I am preparing for the future, should PC not produce.
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And did he mean weeds around thev tree or weeds right up against the trunk?
http://youtu.be/agr8UCAb7kc (http://youtu.be/agr8UCAb7kc)
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And did he mean weeds around thev tree or weeds right up against the trunk?
http://youtu.be/agr8UCAb7kc (http://youtu.be/agr8UCAb7kc)
And we all know you have the knowledge, ability and expertise of Richard Campbell. ::)
...and every thread you start and post you make just keeps reiterating the same. ??? :-\ :blank:
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Do I see 2 scions grafted on the trunk?
Yes, two Carrie scions. I am preparing for the future, should PC not produce.
So, your expertise again shows...seems to me you are preparing for the present. You are not giving any of these trees time to determine what they will or wont do.
You are trying to "plan for the future" but your tree is not going to have the energy to produce if you are trying to direct energy for those grafts, and vice versa...are you wanting the energy to go to the new scions or the Pina Colada?
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Really....weeds are fine in the mango orchard but growing up to the trunk is ridiculous, they are robbing the tree unless you fertilize more to compensate. I like a 3-4ft diameter of mulch around trees but others have the philosophy of a 3-4ft diameter of bare earth. Either way such fruit trees roots and feeder roots are not competing with grass and weeds.
Mr. Clean..... Your PC is 3 times more leafy than mine. It would be even larger and a quicker grower without those weeds hugging it
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Really....weeds are fine in the mango orchard but growing up to the trunk is ridiculous, they are robbing the tree unless you fertilize more to compensate. I like a 3-4ft diameter of mulch around trees but others have the philosophy of a 3-4ft diameter of bare earth. Either way such fruit trees roots and feeder roots are not competing with grass and weeds.
Mr. Clean..... Your PC is 3 times more leafy than mine. It would be even larger and a quicker grower without those weeds hugging it
He is an expert with "credible sources", any advice we try to give is futile. At this point he is more of a troll with his constant incessant posts...
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And did he mean weeds around thev tree or weeds right up against the trunk?
http://youtu.be/agr8UCAb7kc (http://youtu.be/agr8UCAb7kc)
He is speaking about Biden Flowers here- they arent really weeds because they planted them. And they use a weedwacker to knock them out right before mango bloom- looks a bit labor intensive to me.
I do remember that at a lecture, he showed slides and said there were weeds as well. Perhaps he was speaking about theses Bidens? Who knows.
And in the video, it does look like there isnt anything right up against the trunk, which is always a good idea. I do believe that the root crown and the underside of the tree needs good air flow. And that the tree can rot if there is excessive moisture trapped near the trunk.
Anyway, I still think you need to give the tree more time before passing judgement....
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Really....weeds are fine in the mango orchard but growing up to the trunk is ridiculous, they are robbing the tree unless you fertilize more to compensate. I like a 3-4ft diameter of mulch around trees but others have the philosophy of a 3-4ft diameter of bare earth. Either way such fruit trees roots and feeder roots are not competing with grass and weeds.
Mr. Clean..... Your PC is 3 times more leafy than mine. It would be even larger and a quicker grower without those weeds hugging it
If I had more energy and more money, I might do the 3 ft bar earth/mulch. With around 75 fruit trees/plants, the cost of mulch is a little pricey. The labor to remove the weeds and mulch is also extensive for that many trees. I do what I can. My trees seem to do alright with the care given. I fertilize like fertilizer was free. The PC is a beautiful tree, I like the compact growth pattern. But so far it has been an ornamental fruit tree.
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Hate to say it, but Rob is a filthy liar. I have a 15 year old cocktail mango tree composed of pina colada, sweet tart, galaxy, and orange sherbet.
For those in doubt, here's the picture:
(http://s28.postimg.cc/pispxbmzt/fruit_salad_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pispxbmzt/)
Finally, a "cocktail" fruit tree worthy of the name. Can't wait for these to be on sale at Home Depot.............
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Does anyone have a picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree? A picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree would really help.
My PC is very productive. A closeup from last year. Delicious fruit that do taste a bit like a pina colada and with a pineappley smell and taste.
(http://s27.postimg.cc/a9ktwrc1b/mango_tree.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/a9ktwrc1b/)
another photo
(http://s24.postimg.cc/aflhgta9t/mango_tree2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/aflhgta9t/)
Zands- Do you put Pina Colada in the Elite tier group with LZ, CC, Sweet Tart, Carrie etc.? or is this a tier 2 or even tier 3 Mango?
I've only tasted 6-8 Pina Colada mangos over the last few years. Last week I ate two, one of which was a bit tart for my taste. The other was possibly the finest damn thing I have ever tasted. I would compare it to mango candy, except that no candy could be that good.
I wonder if Patrick's care regimen was as successful with his Pina Colada as it was with Lemon Zest.
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Hate to say it, but Rob is a filthy liar. I have a 15 year old cocktail mango tree composed of pina colada, sweet tart, galaxy, and orange sherbet.
For those in doubt, here's the picture:
(http://s28.postimg.cc/pispxbmzt/fruit_salad_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/pispxbmzt/)
Finally, a "cocktail" fruit tree worthy of the name. Can't wait for these to be on sale at Home Depot.............
Here is the resultant harvested fruit from that tree.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/i8iwj98ez/fruit_cocktail.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/i8iwj98ez/)
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I've only tasted 6-8 Pina Colada mangos over the last few years. Last week I ate two, one of which was a bit tart for my taste. The other was possibly the finest damn thing I have ever tasted. I would compare it to mango candy, except that no candy could be that good.
I wonder if Patrick's care regimen was as successful with his Pina Colada as it was with Lemon Zest.
I thought Patrick removed the Pina Colada tree to make room for a Pineapple Pleasure tree.
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You might be right, Mark.
I was assuming he still had it based on his comment: "I may actually eliminate (or topwork) anything other than the new varieties. I would much rather have Lemon Zest, Pineapple Pleasure, Pina Colada, Sweet Tart, Peach Cobbler, Providence, and Coconut Cream or Fruit Punch instead of Cogshall, Pickering, NDM, Maha Chanok, Carrie, or other older varieties."
But as you know, it's best not to assume.
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If I had more energy and more money, I might do the 3 ft bar earth/mulch. With around 75 fruit trees/plants, the cost of mulch is a little pricey. The labor to remove the weeds and mulch is also extensive for that many trees. I do what I can. My trees seem to do alright with the care given. I fertilize like fertilizer was free. The PC is a beautiful tree, I like the compact growth pattern. But so far it has been an ornamental fruit tree.
If you start with a good dark topsoil then more fertilizer should cover it. Should compensate for what the weeds are taking from your mangoes roots. But I would mow the weeds now. Let them decay and throw the nutrients they have robbed back into the soil. Use your mower in a way that throws the weed debris towards the PC tree not away...obviously! I hope you have a mower. I do and may copy this approach. Actually I have done this on a large mature tree.
Plus the PC tree will look better without tall weeds near it and Mr Clean will lose all thoughts of axing it. Then next year let weeds grow back for bee pollination reasons. After pollination season mow weeds again at the highest height off ground setting on your lwan mower
For a real boost to select un-mulched trees apply some black Kow cow manure in a bag. It has that magical organic thing that modern NPK fertilizers lacks plus will add humus since you are not using wood chips. My local Walmarts have it at $3/bag instead of the usual $5
I think it was Seadation who posted a mango pic here w grass growing up to the trunk. He fertilized to the drip line
His mango tree was doing very well as far as fruit yield
Lastly bsbullie should quit dogging your posts. My all encompassing advice is not free. You owe me ten twenty thirty PC fruits next year and for getting bsbullie-Rob off your back.
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I currently have a branch of Pina Colada grafted onto my Pineapple Pleasure. Its in a bit of a bad spot and hasn't kept up with the PP's growth.. I did however get a couple branches of Gary to take on the same tree, and they are growing at about the same pace. Gary is very similar to PC in flavor to me, with a bit larger fruit.
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I currently have a branch of Pina Colada grafted onto my Pineapple Pleasure. Its in a bit of a bad spot and hasn't kept up with the PP's growth.. I did however get a couple branches of Gary to take on the same tree, and they are growing at about the same pace. Gary is very similar to PC in flavor to me, with a bit larger fruit.
Funny, I find Gary to be equal of smaller in size and a known poor producer. ..but excellent in terms of taste. One of the reasons Gary used the Gary mango a lot in his trials was to try and get a tree that produces a fruit with taste similar to Gary but better production, large fruit size and better texture (the texture of the Gary mango is very soft).
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And did he mean weeds around thev tree or weeds right up against the trunk?
Not sure what he meant- he said this at a lecture and his slides did show weeds that were at least close to the trunk, I couldnt tell.
Richard has always told me to mulch and I consider him an expert as well. So differing opinions.
The downside I see logically is that weeds compete for nutrients and moisture , so the later makes sense.
Now once a tree has a significant canopy, unless you cut out most of the middle large branches, like Dr Campbell shows in his video, the shade will choke out the weeks anyway.
Walter Zill's trees have canopies and are close together so the weeds are gone from directly under the tree, but his backyard has significant weeds elsewhere so who knows what his opinion is; I've never asked . Rob, have you ever asked this?
My guess would be that the weeds pull nitrogen out of the ground reducing leaf production and increase fruiting?
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I believe the groundcover is planted to attract pollinators and in some cases will fix nitrogen in the ground ie. legumes. I would think it would be best to keep it away from the trunk by a few inches at least to prevent root rot.
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If I had more energy and more money, I might do the 3 ft bar earth/mulch.
Have you tried calling a tree trimmer/Craigslist? I get free trimmings from those guys (the usually have to pay a dump fee, and are more than happy to give to you instead). It's a nice mix of green/brown too....
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Lastly bsbullie should quit dogging your posts. My all encompassing advice is not free. You owe me ten twenty thirty PC fruits next year and for getting bsbullie-Rob off your back.
Finally someone point this out
I was trying to raise it for so long , but as a newbee was not feeling justified to be the person to raise the concern here
It was to the point that it was feeling that I better not say anything about zills mango, otherwise will get the same treatment
Sorry if I mis-judge the situation here , and definitely doesn't have background here , so apologies in advance
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This is my Pina Colada on 1-31-2015. Sadly, I predict it will have less than five harvestable fruit, which means it will probably be top worked.
(http://s18.postimg.cc/yuosvp7yd/Mango_Trees_145_resized_text.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yuosvp7yd/)
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This is my Pina Colada on 1-31-2015. Sadly, I predict it will have less than five harvestable fruit, which means it will probably be top worked.
(http://s18.postimg.cc/yuosvp7yd/Mango_Trees_145_resized_text.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/yuosvp7yd/)
Hey Mr.Clean welcome back!! won't be long before the slapdog gets all over your derriere LOL
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Might as well just cut all your mangoes down now and plant pine trees.
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JF: Thank you for the well wishes. :)
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Might as well just cut all your mangoes down now and plant pine trees.
:-) So supportive!
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This is my Pina Colada on 1-31-2015. Sadly, I predict it will have less than five harvestable fruit, which means it will probably be top worked.
WOW! with a bloom like that you predict such low harvest? Damn, my Julie seedling had 1/20 th of that last year and I had enough for two legged squirrels to find and steal :-)
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This is my Pina Colada on 1-31-2015. Sadly, I predict it will have less than five harvestable fruit, which means it will probably be top worked.
WOW! with a bloom like that you predict such low harvest? Damn, my Julie seedling had 1/20 th of that last year and I had enough for two legged squirrels to find and steal :-)
My PC had profuse blooming in 2013 and 2014. My total haul was 2 bad tasting fruits in 2013. I have good blooming this year with BB size fruits forming so I think I will get something good this year.
I think profuse blooming and then getting nothing is a sign that the tree will soon be giving big yields. Might be the next year or the year after. Carrie was like this for me and IIRC Kent was too.
So a mango tree has a great bloom and no fruiting? I think its a matter of the hormones and similar in the tree just not lining up right for fruit production... You have to wait for this||||||
That the hormones and biology can be right for blooming but not for fruiting
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Again, more "biology" and physiology jabber woke. I can show you a number of trees that bloom profusely year after year but set little to no fruit set.
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A mango tree can full bloom all it wants, but if it's percentage of inherant perfect flowers is very low, you get little to very little fruit set- much less fruit that can reach maturity. No amount of pollination boosters can correct this.
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A mango tree can full bloom all it wants, but if it's percentage of inherant perfect flowers is very low, you get little to very little fruit set- much less fruit that can reach maturity. No amount of pollination boosters can correct this.
So then the tree does not produce perfect flowers until it is ready. Until it matures more to get 100% out the juvenile stage. So blooming is one thing BUT blooming and getting enough perfect flowers is another
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Gary Mango is a perfect example. Very low percentage of perfect flowers coupled with poor fungal resistance = few fruit.
A mango tree can full bloom all it wants, but if it's percentage of inherant perfect flowers is very low, you get little to very little fruit set- much less fruit that can reach maturity. No amount of pollination boosters can correct this.
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Gary Mango is a perfect example. Very low percentage of perfect flowers coupled with poor fungal resistance = few fruit.
A mango tree can full bloom all it wants, but if it's percentage of inherant perfect flowers is very low, you get little to very little fruit set- much less fruit that can reach maturity. No amount of pollination boosters can correct this.
Yes, the Gary is inheritantly one and not just on isolated trees. I also do not believe this is an issue with trees not producing perfect flowers year afetr year, especially on 20+ year old trees that are 25+ feet tall. The trees load themselves with blooms year afetr year but except in isolated years, set and hold little, very little, amounts of fruit.
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Again, more "biology" and physiology jabber woke. I can show you a number of trees that bloom profusely year after year but set little to no fruit set.
Bullie without taking growth habbits, production issues, health into consideration... How to rank the Pina Colada in terms of flavor??...screw the small mango and big seed factored into there.
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Again, more "biology" and physiology jabber woke. I can show you a number of trees that bloom profusely year after year but set little to no fruit set.
Bullie without taking growth habbits, production issues, health into consideration... How to rank the Pina Colada in terms of flavor??...screw the small mango and big seed factored into there.
It can be very good if left to ripen to the proper stage prior to harvest. Would I rank it in the tops, don't think so. Texture is very soft. Picked to early, it is very chalky and will not have the proper flavor profile it should have. If space is limited and a factor, I would think hard about planting one. If space is more on the unlimited side, then stick one in the ground.
As for small mango and big seed, I am also not in the boat. Its all about the quality first. Sweet Tart is smaller in size with an obnoxious seed but I will highly recommend it because of its flavor. I would rather eat two amazing mangoes than one average mango just based on flesh to seed ratio.
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I would be very interested in seeing a picture of a productive Pina Colada mango tree.
Then you need to hit up Zands. He just PM'd me a copy of one and it is beautiful and very dwarf which interests me.
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My Pina Colada tree had a full bloom and bore one (1) fruit. It was unevenly ripened. I cut off two main branches and am topworking the tree into a more productive variety.
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I just wanted to update this old thread with a picture from Zands Pina Colada tree in case anyone read this thread several years and decided not to plant a tree. See reply #1
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=28467.msg323145#msg323145 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=28467.msg323145#msg323145)
I’ve heard other people mentioning it but it appears some Pina Colada trees may have been grafted on some sort of dwarfing rootstock? Perhaps this delays fruiting? Anyways, Zands tree shows a productive Pina Colada tree although it took it a while to start producing.
It would be great to hear from others growing this tree if their PC trees eventually became productive. If so, about how long?
Simon
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My four year old tree produced about 10 small fruit this year.
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My tree looks like zands' -- ie, it's loaded with fruit.
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Thanks for the replies, looks like patience with this variety will pay off. Now to go graft up a few trees.
Simon
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Patience is key!