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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Sleepdoc on June 01, 2012, 09:54:07 AM
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Sheehan stopped by my place the other day, and seemed impressed by my "4 in 1" (7 in 1) Mango tree. I suppose it is one of the more interesting trees in my yard :). We tried one of the fruits from the tree, a Mun Khun See. It was just starting to ripen, with just the shoulder begining to turn yellow. This is a mango you can eat green and crunchy, and this particular mango had parts of it's flesh in 3 stages. Ripe, partially ripe, and full green/unripe. I actually preferred the partially ripe portions, which were crunchy and sweet with a really nice flavor and texture. Sheehan thought I should do a bit of a write up on the tree, and I thought that was a good idea too :)
When I moved to my current home in 2004, there were a few fruit tress planted on the property. One of those trees was a Turpentine Mango which was obviously grown from seed. It was a fairly large tree,15-20 feet tall, and productive. The mango's from the tree had a rich and sweet flavor with a strong "turpentine" character. They were small, and very fibrous. After a few seasons, I decided to ry out grafting/topworking, and this tree would be my subject.
I obtained some Budwood, and gave it a go. I started with Florigon, Mun Khun See, Pim Saen Mun, and Glenn. I started these grafts fairly high up in the canopy, in relatively mature wood, branches of 2 inches in diameter or so. I didn't "chop and top" the tree, I sort of went as low as I thought was possible on the existing wood.
That season ( 3 or 4 years ago) I was surprised that the grafts took. I certainly wasn't very experienced at grafting, but I think the timing was on my side. Over the last two seasons, I added a few grafts lower in the canopy, as experiments, and to add more of the existing varieties lower in the canopy in case a storm ripped off some limbs. I don't want to lose that Khun See :)
Two years ago the tree produced Florigon only. Last year, the tree produced Glenn only. Now, currently there are 4 varieties bearing fruit at the same time. Florigon, Pim Saen Mun, Mun Khun See, and Glenn. Also of note, young and not bearing are Julie, Carrie, and ValCarrie.
Here is Photo #1 .. Florigon to the right, Pim Saen Mun on the lower middle/right, Mun Khun See middle upper and some lower.
(http://s13.postimage.org/w40c0sqr7/photo_6.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/w40c0sqr7/)
Photo #2 .. Slightly different angle ..
(http://s16.postimage.org/4h8t1e035/4_in_1_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4h8t1e035/)
Photo #3 ... Glenn to the left ... Not as productive as the other 3 this year ..
(http://s7.postimage.org/8fb6uutdj/4_in_1_3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8fb6uutdj/)
Anyway, that is my first top working experiment, the Frankenstein tree 8)
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That's amazing! what a great way to use the existing resources of the land(seedling tree). What kind of grafts did you do? Did you try a few different techniques? That's really interesting that some grafts produce some years and some produce other years.
-Luke
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I have seen this tree in person and it is truly inspiring. I have no more space to plant mango trees so this increases my variety potential greatly. I am looking forward to tasting some new varieties so I can start planning some of my own creations
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In order to keep the tree growing evenly with the vigorous and not so vigorous varieties on it is alot of pruning necessary? Does any one variety try to take over the tree?
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Sleepdoc, That tree is gorgeous! I am so impressed. You have inspired me! I was wondering how to add 4 varieties on my wish list and you just provided the answer. Thanks and Congrats on a grafting job well done!
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What an amazing job you did Sleepdoc!! Its a gorgeous tree...thanks for posting and sharing it with us.
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Hi Sleepdoc,
Your mango cocktail tree looks fantastic 8) This is an excellent idea to save space in a garden and you will have 7 chances to get mangos every year...instead of one chance with just a grafted tree.
You inspired me too :) THX for sharing ;)
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The Mun Khun See was really good. I think I may be the best green eating mango I've had. As Sleepdoc said, the partially ripe portions tasted better than the ripe and green.
Anyone else growing the Mun Khun See or have compared it to other green eating mangos?
Sleepdoc,
Would you have done anything differently with your multigrafted tree if you had to do it again?
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Awesome job! I'm glad its producing for you!
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That Mun Khun See is all over the place, seems it wants to take over the tree ;D
Congrats on your success, sleepdoc. Very unique & beautiful tree
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I just love this, good job on such a beautiful tree. you have inspired me to want to try this also.
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nice tree! sleepdoctor
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Thanks everyone! I tried to address the specific questions, but first thanks to everyone for the nice comments :D
That's amazing! what a great way to use the existing resources of the land(seedling tree). What kind of grafts did you do? Did you try a few different techniques? That's really interesting that some grafts produce some years and some produce other years.
-Luke
Thanks :) All were side veneer grafts .. On the thicker limbs, I had to line up 1 side only ..
In order to keep the tree growing evenly with the vigorous and not so vigorous varieties on it is alot of pruning necessary? Does any one variety try to take over the tree?
I have not pruned it other than removing the roostock portions above the grafts after they took .. Maybe I'll prune a bit of the Khun See this year ..
The Mun Khun See was really good. I think I may be the best green eating mango I've had. As Sleepdoc said, the partially ripe portions tasted better than the ripe and green.
Anyone else growing the Mun Khun See or have compared it to other green eating mangos?
Sleepdoc,
Would you have done anything differently with your multigrafted tree if you had to do it again?
If I were to do it again, I might start out a little lower in the canopy. The tree is a bit tall, so spraying it with copper/nutritionals is too much work. I also don't think I would graft Glenn on it, since I have a mature Glenn in another part of the yard.
That Mun Khun See is all over the place, seems it wants to take over the tree ;D
Congrats on your success, sleepdoc. Very unique & beautiful tree
Yes, there is more Khun See than any other variety. That is O.K with me since it's the one I'm most interested in on that tree. It is a bit more vigerous than the others, and it is the "highest up" graft. I could easily control it with a little pruning, which I may do this year..
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Amazing Job on that tree! Your going to have to show me how to do that. I potted what was left of the coconut cream that got snapped off and it's growing out again from the rootstock I want to make it a cocktail tree.
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Amazing Job on that tree! Your going to have to show me how to do that. I potted what was left of the coconut cream that got snapped off and it's growing out again from the rootstock I want to make it a cocktail tree.
Thanks!
Send me a pic of the rootstock, when it's ready we'll give it a go ;D
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awesome job sleepdoc- im going to be in s florida for the mango festival- if u r open to giving a garden tour, id love to see that tree
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Such a wonder to see, Sleepdoc....utterly beautiful. Someday I think I'll try this on my
big Manila tree - love the varietal dangle of the fruits!
mangofang
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Love the mango cocktail tree! Great idea. Just reminded me that there is some madman in India that grafted something like 350 varieties of mango onto just one tree. There was an article in the news about him a few years back.
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Love the mango cocktail tree! Great idea. Just reminded me that there is some madman in India that grafted something like 350 varieties of mango onto just one tree. There was an article in the news about him a few years back.
oscar dont know why you are calling that mad-seems completely sane and rational to me. why have one when u can have 350.
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awesome job sleepdoc- im going to be in s florida for the mango festival- if u r open to giving a garden tour, id love to see that tree
Thx :) NP, I'd love to give a tour. I'll PM you my #. Just text me when you get down here so we can arrange a time.
Such a wonder to see, Sleepdoc....utterly beautiful. Someday I think I'll try this on my
big Manila tree - love the varietal dangle of the fruits!
mangofang
Thanks ! Looks pretty nice when loaded up :)
Love the mango cocktail tree! Great idea. Just reminded me that there is some madman in India that grafted something like 350 varieties of mango onto just one tree. There was an article in the news about him a few years back.
Thx :) 350, wow, that must be an enormous tree!
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Thx :) 350, wow, that must be an enormous tree!
I guess so, the tree is 80 years old. Here is the original article:
A die-hard mango lover living in a small town of Malihabad in Uttar Pradesh
has grown 300 varieties of mangoes on a single tree in his orchard.
Malihabad has a long tradition of producing delicious varieties of mangoes
and one of the famous varieties is known by the name of the town.
Some of the rarest varieties of mangoes, which have become extinct, are
still growing on a 'miracle mango tree'. Kallimullah Khan, who hails from
Malihabad wants to save these and many more varieties of mangoes for the
posterity. "These are extremely tasty mangoes. We cannot find these
everywhere. I am trying my level best to grow different types of mangoes,"
said Khan.
The original tree is nearly 80 years old. Khan has grafted and grown new
varieties of mangoes on it. Relentlessly working in his nursery, Khan's
passion for the fruit goes back to his childhood when he began experimenting
with mango saplings. Driven by zeal to preserve vanishing variety of
mangoes, Khan started his conservation effort by grafting seven to eight
varieties of mango stems.
The sight and smell of different varieties of 'King of fruits' on a single
tree is attracting many visitors to the mango grove. "This is the first time
in my 70 years of life that I am seeing something of this sort. I have never
seen anything like this," said Pandit Rameshwar Dayal, a visitor overwhelmed
by the sight. Malihabad is located in the mango belt in Uttar Pradesh where
90 per cent people are engaged in the profession of growing mangoes.
Mangoes from Malihabad are exported to various parts of the country and
abroad. The cost of the most famous variety of mangoes 'Dussehri' reaches Rs
200 rupees per quintal in the season. About 1,000 varieties of mangoes are
grown in India, in an area of 2.5 million hectares. Uttar Pradesh, Bihar,
Orissa, Assam, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu are major
mango-growing states in India.
India is the world's biggest producer of this tropical fruit contributing to
59 per cent of total production, but its share in the world mango market is
less than 15 per cent.
It exports about 30,000 tonnes of mangoes every year to nearly 40 countries
including Britain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Canada and now the Untied States.
Mangoes account for around 39 per cent of the total fruit exports from
India.
Source: dailyindia.com
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I just had my first Valcarrie mango today. It was incredibly delicious. It's firm, creamy, sweet, and just insanely yummy! WHOO HOOOOOOOO! Wonder who's propagating the fairy tale that it's better to get valencia pride or carrie over the valcarrie.
Anybody know what the production is like on those? My little 4 footer pooped out 2 fruits.
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I just had my first Valcarrie mango today. It was incredibly delicious. It's firm, creamy, sweet, and just insanely yummy! WHOO HOOOOOOOO! Wonder who's propagating the fairy tale that it's better to get valencia pride or carrie over the valcarrie.
Anybody know what the production is like on those? My little 4 footer pooped out 2 fruits.
Yeah, I agree on the Valcarrie/Valkyrie. I think it is Fantastic. I am currently trying to top work it onto a couple of my trees since I like it so much ..
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I'm one of those people who doesn't love Val-Carrie. I would rather have a Carrie.
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Found this old thread while looking for info on topworking my large unknown mango trees and making them coctails. Here is that 300 variety coctail tree Oscar was talking about: http://www.indusladies.com/forums/gardening/128235-sachin-mango-and-aishwarya-guava.html (http://www.indusladies.com/forums/gardening/128235-sachin-mango-and-aishwarya-guava.html)
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Very impressive!
I also have two mango trees, so far they are 3-in one. waiting for good budwood.
1. I got manila rootstock that has Nam Doc Mai, Maha Chanok, and Amarpali on it.
2. I got alphonso, Mallika, and Amarpali on it.
I want to get few more varieties if I can get scion wood, would love to get few more asian varieties on it.
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Found this old thread while looking for info on topworking my large unknown mango trees and making them coctails. Here is that 300 variety coctail tree Oscar was talking about: http://www.indusladies.com/forums/gardening/128235-sachin-mango-and-aishwarya-guava.html (http://www.indusladies.com/forums/gardening/128235-sachin-mango-and-aishwarya-guava.html)
Nice quote from the grafter: “Mangoes are my passion,” he readily acknowledges. “They are more important to me than my children.”
I'm sure that if I had children I would value them nearly as much as my trees and my dogs.
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Found this old thread while looking for info on topworking my large unknown mango trees and making them coctails. Here is that 300 variety coctail tree Oscar was talking about: http://www.indusladies.com/forums/gardening/128235-sachin-mango-and-aishwarya-guava.html (http://www.indusladies.com/forums/gardening/128235-sachin-mango-and-aishwarya-guava.html)
Nice quote from the grafter: “Mangoes are my passion,” he readily acknowledges. “They are more important to me than my children.”
I'm sure that if I had children I would value them nearly as much as my trees and my dogs.
I had to read that quote twice to make sure I got it right :)
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Sleepdoc, Is the greenish yellow (polyembrionic) mango that you brought to Harry's house the day we met for the tasting called Kun See? If that was the one.... could I beg for some budwood? The Maha Chanok graft took ! and I would love to graft that onto the other side to make a 2 variety tree!!
Let me know....that mango was great!
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I have a Lancetilla that I want to turn into a cocktail tree. Thanks for the inspiration. Now I just need to learn more about grafting and find a source of budwood of cultivars that I don't have.
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Sleepdoc, Is the greenish yellow (polyembrionic) mango that you brought to Harry's house the day we met for the tasting called Kun See? If that was the one.... could I beg for some budwood? The Maha Chanok graft took ! and I would love to graft that onto the other side to make a 2 variety tree!!
Let me know....that mango was great!
Yes, I believe the one you liked is the Khun See. Iirc, the ones I brought that day were in varying stages of ripeness. My favorite stage for that mango is the partially ripe stage, although it is also very good fully green or fully ripe. It has a nice crunchy fiberless texture that is quite unique. Completely fiberless and easy to eat all the way down to the seed. They are my sons favorite mango, and maybe the most unique in my collection.
You are welcome to stop by and load up on budwood anytime.
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Sleepdoc, Is the greenish yellow (polyembrionic) mango that you brought to Harry's house the day we met for the tasting called Kun See? If that was the one.... could I beg for some budwood? The Maha Chanok graft took ! and I would love to graft that onto the other side to make a 2 variety tree!!
Let me know....that mango was great!
Yes, I believe the one you liked is the Khun See. Iirc, the ones I brought that day were in varying stages of ripeness. My favorite stage for that mango is the partially ripe stage, although it is also very good fully green or fully ripe. It has a nice crunchy fiberless texture that is quite unique. Completely fiberless and easy to eat all the way down to the seed. They are my sons favorite mango, and maybe the most unique in my collection.
You are welcome to stop by and load up on budwood anytime.
Thanks! let me know when the buds are swelling and ready and I will come get a few pieces! Can you email contact info/number? marinrands@aol.com
I am so happy the Maha Chanok budwood I got at Harry's that day took and is growing really well.
Do you know how the growth habit of the Khun See compares to the Maha Chanok?
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Sleepdoc, Is the greenish yellow (polyembrionic) mango that you brought to Harry's house the day we met for the tasting called Kun See? If that was the one.... could I beg for some budwood? The Maha Chanok graft took ! and I would love to graft that onto the other side to make a 2 variety tree!!
Let me know....that mango was great!
Yes, I believe the one you liked is the Khun See. Iirc, the ones I brought that day were in varying stages of ripeness. My favorite stage for that mango is the partially ripe stage, although it is also very good fully green or fully ripe. It has a nice crunchy fiberless texture that is quite unique. Completely fiberless and easy to eat all the way down to the seed. They are my sons favorite mango, and maybe the most unique in my collection.
You are welcome to stop by and load up on budwood anytime.
Do you know how the growth habit of the Khun See compares to the Maha Chanok?
I would say the Khun See is a bit more vigorous. About medium in growth habit from what I can tell.
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I have heard that mango cocktail trees dont do well beacuse one type always becomes dominant. Is this true or false?
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So how is this tree doing now days Sleepdoc? Been curious to try a multi graft tree since I have very limited space. But zero idea how to start.
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Funny I posted here in 2013 and had 2 mango trees that were 3 in 1. Since then I have grown to 22 trees with over 100 varieties, all cocktail. One cocktail has over 40 varieties. Will post pictures once we get blooms out of the way.
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Funny I posted here in 2013 and had 2 mango trees that were 3 in 1. Since then I have grown to 22 trees with over 100 varieties, all cocktail. One cocktail has over 40 varieties. Will post pictures once we get blooms out of the way.
Mercy.
I need to catch up...
I haven’t found a better green mango than MKS. Great ripe too.
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Beautiful tree sleepdoc. I’m looking for Mun Khun See seeds( preferably) or scions in case anyone is selling. We have issues with grafted trees being overly enthusiastic about flowering due to our cold weather here in San Diego.
I’ve also got a few multigraft Mango trees. Most my fruit trees are multigraft in order to save space. Brad and I decided to plant mostly single varieties at the orchard in order to avoid confusion with guests and when harvesting fruit and scions.
The varieties should be grouped together based on vigor and growth habit in order to avoid one variety from taking over.
Here’s a small mango tree I recently multigrafted. My daughters showcasing the tree. They were dressed up for mother’s day
(https://s9.postimg.cc/oqbp695d7/40_EDA38_A-7394-4_D45-_A91_D-29_AECE9_B6_A40.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oqbp695d7/)
Simon
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Nice, I am trying something like this and hope my trees are as successful.
I top worked one by cutting it down and grafting on the new growth, two others I grafted on to several selected branches. None with 7 varieties though. I have years to go to see fruit from the grafts but it is really encouraging to see your tree.
Perhaps I should do one more :)
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beautiful girls Simon. :)
Is there a list somewhere that groups the mangoes by vigor and growth?
I have a Carrie that is doing well, and 2 1/2 years on the ground and was thinking to graft Nan Doc Mai to it. but I also have 6 month to one year old planted trees, currently I have: Carrie, Lemon Zest, Valencia Pride, Malika, Kesar and Beverly. I also have in the ground but struggling: Coco Nut Cream, Pina Colada, and Fruit Punch and on 25 gal pots I have Southern Blush and Raposa.
I have ordered Nan Doc Mai, Jumbo Kesar, Super Julie and Maha Chanok scion wood that I want to graft to any of those trees or graft into seedlings I have in pots, the only problem is that I don't have any more room to plant them in the ground and would have to stay in large pots :(
any suggestions how to pair them up? Any advised its greatly appreciated. Thanks in advanced everyone!
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A few years back I grafted Carrie onto a very robust spicy tasting East Indian. The EI had three strong fruiting branches when the Carrie graft took on a newly erupted branch from the EI. After three years the EI branches died one at a time while the Carrie took over the tree sucking the life out of the EI.
I'm wondering if there are some mango cultivars that are too aggressive to cohabitate the same tree with other cultivars?
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beautiful girls Simon. :)
Is there a list somewhere that groups the mangoes by vigor and growth?
I have a Carrie that is doing well, and 2 1/2 years on the ground and was thinking to graft Nan Doc Mai to it. but I also have 6 month to one year old planted trees, currently I have: Carrie, Lemon Zest, Valencia Pride, Malika, Kesar and Beverly. I also have in the ground but struggling: Coco Nut Cream, Pina Colada, and Fruit Punch and on 25 gal pots I have Southern Blush and Raposa.
I have ordered Nan Doc Mai, Jumbo Kesar, Super Julie and Maha Chanok scion wood that I want to graft to any of those trees or graft into seedlings I have in pots, the only problem is that I don't have any more room to plant them in the ground and would have to stay in large pots :(
any suggestions how to pair them up? Any advised its greatly appreciated. Thanks in advanced everyone!
Thanks tropicalnut,
Here is the ultimate mango list that lists varieties along with information on growth habit.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1586.msg21809#msg21809 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1586.msg21809#msg21809)
Simon
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So how is this tree doing now days Sleepdoc? Been curious to try a multi graft tree since I have very limited space. But zero idea how to start.
Wow, this one goes way back ... Tree has done quite well over the years, but my yard did get hammered by Irma. As a result, my Khun See cocktail tree has only a couple mango's on it this year.
Overall, I have had very good success with multigrafting mango trees. I have now multi grafted a number of mango's, and I will continue to do so in the future.
Beautiful tree sleepdoc. I’m looking for Mun Khun See seeds( preferably) or scions in case anyone is selling. We have issues with grafted trees being overly enthusiastic about flowering due to our cold weather here in San Diego.
I’ve also got a few multigraft Mango trees. Most my fruit trees are multigraft in order to save space. Brad and I decided to plant mostly single varieties at the orchard in order to avoid confusion with guests and when harvesting fruit and scions.
The varieties should be grouped together based on vigor and growth habit in order to avoid one variety from taking over.
Here’s a small mango tree I recently multigrafted. My daughters showcasing the tree. They were dressed up for mother’s day
(https://s9.postimg.cc/oqbp695d7/40_EDA38_A-7394-4_D45-_A91_D-29_AECE9_B6_A40.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oqbp695d7/)
Simon
Simon, I can definitely send you some Budwood if you would like. I may be able to get you a seed or two, depending on several factors. Irma did a number on my yard and trees so my production this year is limited. Only a few MKS on the tree.
Send me a PM if you need anything.
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Thank you very much Simon.
Unfortunately the kinds I have most of them the info is limited. I guess I need to experiment! :)
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Thanks Sleepdoc, you got pm.
Tropical nut, see this thread for more information on multigraft Mango trees. Patrick is very knowledgeable and I’m pretty sure he did some research before assembling his multigraft trees
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=5196.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=5196.0)
Simon
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Thank you Simon.
It gives me hope. :)
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Tree has done quite well over the years, but my yard did get hammered by Irma. As a result, my Khun See cocktail tree has only a couple mango's on it this year.
My production this year is limited. Only a few MKS on the tree.
I'm trying to figure out why my existing trees have less this year also & about 3 weeks later than last year and agree that Irma & taking off leaves/limbs is probably a big factor.
I do like to multi graft; however a drawback appears to be that my most liked graft limb sometimes is not producing in a given year vs. the other graft species...
Do you also grow early species & do you have any ripe yet and is your crop weeks later vs. last yr. also?