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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #175 on: June 07, 2012, 04:48:20 PM »
Hey this thread has been changed up and confused me a bit...two separate threads got meshed together if I remember...and I guess the earliest thread created, is who gets credited for starting it.

not that it really matters, but Jacob13 didn't start this thread, I did...and I changed the name a while back.

(it is just about the most popular thread though :D )



Changed the subject of the post, I think this one is more befitting.

Behelgarden,

I think they will take if they are swelling!  Don't fiddle with them! I always mess them up this way.

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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #176 on: June 07, 2012, 04:59:03 PM »
Behl don't do clefts on guavas. It's almost worthless. They look like they took then they dry up. Do veneers or bud grafts and you will see your success rate go way up. If you get a chance stop by so I can show you. Incredible how ez it is, ezr than a cleft grafts.

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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #177 on: June 07, 2012, 05:35:12 PM »
Daniel,

Thanks for the tip. Yes, I noticed that. I did a chip but that is still hanging on.  Veneer, something I havent tried. I am out of source of scion wood for red/pink guavas now. Not sure if this is even a good time for guava grafting.

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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #178 on: June 07, 2012, 06:33:03 PM »
Ok,

It let me upload a single pic, instead of multiple pics. (anyone else experiencing problem?)

Look down at my previous post and the photo should be there.

Graft of about 1mm diameter.
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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #179 on: June 07, 2012, 06:49:55 PM »
Question on Mango grafts, when should I cut back the stock that extends past the scion that took? The reason I ask is that the rootstock is trying to push for buds as well, I would rather have that growth sap and energy flow to the scion instead and put it on a turbo.

In this picture, I am taking about the parent rootstock that is actually a branch where my scion leeched onto and is sucking the blood out of it.




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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #180 on: June 07, 2012, 06:53:38 PM »
Chris Rollins taugh us to crack branch, so it is still attached, after scion has flushed out and hardened off one set of leaves.  and  after the scion leafs out and hardens off a second time, then fully prune off cracked branhes of rootstock.  this process allows the scion to become the main leader, while the cracked branches add support by hanging on to a thin thread of viable cambium.
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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #181 on: June 07, 2012, 06:56:40 PM »
Thanks. Then I will wait for it. should I let the rootstock continue to put growth via new buds emerging? Some videos I saw suggest snipping off the rootstock, while others say to wait. Just wondered folk's real experience in this forum with Mangoes on what they have done successfully

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« Reply #182 on: June 07, 2012, 06:58:27 PM »
I don't See how it could hurt to restrict new growth of rootstock.

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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #183 on: June 07, 2012, 07:05:23 PM »
So I sould cutoff the rootstock as soon as the leafs hardenoff and get ready for flush. In the mean time I plan on pinching off the new buds from rootstock. I was thinking about just cutting it off and let the scion take over now.

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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #184 on: June 07, 2012, 07:25:39 PM »
hmm.

not quite sure, but play it safe! If the graft is meant to heal, it will do so, with rootstock still flushing new growth...removing the branches does pose a risk to the scion in early phases of healing...at least that's my opinion.
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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #185 on: June 07, 2012, 08:33:04 PM »
If you cut off the rootstock shoot too soon would the rootstock base restrict nutrients to the scion because the scion doesn't have a strong enough connection to give the hormonal signal that there's still something alive up there? I make up a lot of theories to explain things.

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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #186 on: June 07, 2012, 08:46:13 PM »
If you cut off the rootstock shoot too soon would the rootstock base restrict nutrients to the scion because the scion doesn't have a strong enough connection to give the hormonal signal that there's still something alive up there? I make up a lot of theories to explain things.

not sure, but your line of thought makes me wonder if cutting back rootstock can inhibit growth of scion, because of new growth trying to occur at more nodes than if left uncut.
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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #187 on: June 07, 2012, 09:05:28 PM »
My observation on one failed mango is that I cut the rootstock as buds broke out into leaves. The breakout section slowly died after I cut the rootstock. Today when I see that rootstock, I see the tree is pushing hard to get new nodes on old rootstock. It appears that mother tree knows what's happening and main rootstock after push goes dormant. By cutting it we make it active again and resources are focussed on rootstock and scion gets left behind.

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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #188 on: June 07, 2012, 09:08:26 PM »
Behl, I've just grafted some two weeks ago and should see the growth already. I graft year round.

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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #189 on: June 07, 2012, 09:17:29 PM »
Daniel, any chances of getting few red guava scions? I would love to get a head start this year so by next year they are nice and healthy. I got a rootstock itiching to hook onto to something.

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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #190 on: June 08, 2012, 12:31:16 AM »
Behl, give me a call. I don't have any scions available. The ones that I had I grafted already.

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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #191 on: June 08, 2012, 12:50:07 AM »
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Re: Post Pics of Your GRAFTS, and Troubleshoot HERE!
« Reply #192 on: June 08, 2012, 12:20:12 PM »
That is one tiny graft. I tried 1.5mm graft of Surinam Cherry over Cherry, it failed. not giving up though.

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« Reply #193 on: June 08, 2012, 07:38:21 PM »
That's some serious skills  there. Have you grafted anything this small before?
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« Reply #196 on: June 11, 2012, 12:28:04 PM »
My beefness, Adam. That's pretty slick cowboy.

That's some serious skills  there. Have you grafted anything this small before?

Smaller u say?

Well..technically the cuts are larger, but the scion may be less massive...here's a tiny patch graft I did on a M.jaboticaba, where I slapped on some Red jabo budwood.  It's taken nicely, and even shed the bark somewhat, leaving a cool pattern!




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« Reply #197 on: June 11, 2012, 01:58:51 PM »
wow... pretty damn slick indeed  ;D
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« Reply #198 on: June 11, 2012, 05:10:12 PM »
Thanks for kind words!

I hope to keep them coming...I've been grafting up a storm...and starting to unlock some strange puzzles.

In the next 2-5yrs, the world of Myrciaria / Plinia will be forever changed (maybe it already has been altered).  Soon you will have access to over 10 species and cultivars to choose from, some grafted, some seed grown...but all jaboticaba!

I will keep you posted!
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« Reply #199 on: June 11, 2012, 06:06:37 PM »
Thanks for kind words!

I hope to keep them coming...I've been grafting up a storm...and starting to unlock some strange puzzles.

In the next 2-5yrs, the world of Myrciaria / Plinia will be forever changed (maybe it already has been altered).  Soon you will have access to over 10 species and cultivars to choose from, some grafted, some seed grown...but all jaboticaba!

I will keep you posted!

Keep up the good work and best of luck in reaching your goals.  The biggest complaint I heard about Jaboticaba's is that they take a long time to grow.  Hopefully you are able to fix that problem.
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