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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #450 on: August 04, 2014, 12:49:59 PM »
Huertas....

thanks for sharing the information, although I'm not sure I understand the translation.

I've never noticed this "Ill of 4 yrs".

btw, one thing I've noticed so far when comparing Escarlate to Precoce (red Jabo)....its that the escarlate is much more sensitive to high pH (something like M. aureana)...so this is a bit disappointing for me.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #451 on: August 04, 2014, 11:48:16 PM »
Huertas....

thanks for sharing the information, although I'm not sure I understand the translation.

I've never noticed this "Ill of 4 yrs".

btw, one thing I've noticed so far when comparing Escarlate to Precoce (red Jabo)....its that the escarlate is much more sensitive to high pH (something like M. aureana)...so this is a bit disappointing for me.
Oh do prey tell jaboticaba sage, what are the other main differences between red and scarlet besides pH tolerance. Maybe this was covered before but if so i missed it. I'm a bit confused because scarlet is just a shade of red. What is the ancestry, and how is it really different from the red? Befuddled in Hawaii.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #452 on: August 05, 2014, 10:16:10 PM »
well Oscar,

this is my understanding:

escarlate is generally more precocious, usually taking only 3-4 yrs from seed..unlike Red jabo which can take 3-5yrs...also the fruit of escarlate supposed to have superior flavor when compared to red jabo.

I believe escarlate is the Red jabo, back crossed to M. aureana....

Probably making it even more like the white jabo, which has very low tannin, and thin skin.

but also, the white jabo is more sensitve than M. cauliflora...so it inherits the intolerance to city water or high ph..

on the other hand the Red jabo is quite resilient...and can be grown on lime rock as long as you regularly drench with chelated Fe, or take other measures to reduce pH

keep in mind my observations about Escarlate's sensitivity to pH are preliminary... I will know more as my plants progress..so far they are much less vigorous than Red jabos though.

Huertas....

thanks for sharing the information, although I'm not sure I understand the translation.

I've never noticed this "Ill of 4 yrs".

btw, one thing I've noticed so far when comparing Escarlate to Precoce (red Jabo)....its that the escarlate is much more sensitive to high pH (something like M. aureana)...so this is a bit disappointing for me.
Oh do prey tell jaboticaba sage, what are the other main differences between red and scarlet besides pH tolerance. Maybe this was covered before but if so i missed it. I'm a bit confused because scarlet is just a shade of red. What is the ancestry, and how is it really different from the red? Befuddled in Hawaii.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #453 on: August 07, 2014, 04:53:29 AM »
well Oscar,

this is my understanding:

escarlate is generally more precocious, usually taking only 3-4 yrs from seed..unlike Red jabo which can take 3-5yrs...also the fruit of escarlate supposed to have superior flavor when compared to red jabo.

I believe escarlate is the Red jabo, back crossed to M. aureana....

Probably making it even more like the white jabo, which has very low tannin, and thin skin.

but also, the white jabo is more sensitve than M. cauliflora...so it inherits the intolerance to city water or high ph..

on the other hand the Red jabo is quite resilient...and can be grown on lime rock as long as you regularly drench with chelated Fe, or take other measures to reduce pH

keep in mind my observations about Escarlate's sensitivity to pH are preliminary... I will know more as my plants progress..so far they are much less vigorous than Red jabos though.

Huertas....

thanks for sharing the information, although I'm not sure I understand the translation.

I've never noticed this "Ill of 4 yrs".

btw, one thing I've noticed so far when comparing Escarlate to Precoce (red Jabo)....its that the escarlate is much more sensitive to high pH (something like M. aureana)...so this is a bit disappointing for me.
Oh do prey tell jaboticaba sage, what are the other main differences between red and scarlet besides pH tolerance. Maybe this was covered before but if so i missed it. I'm a bit confused because scarlet is just a shade of red. What is the ancestry, and how is it really different from the red? Befuddled in Hawaii.
Thanks Adam for the good info!
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #454 on: August 08, 2014, 05:25:08 PM »
Look what I found....a 45 gal M. trunciflora!

So pretty I had to take her home with me....where she belongs.



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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #455 on: August 08, 2014, 10:44:26 PM »
Wow that's one huge tree nice find Adam 8)

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #456 on: August 09, 2014, 12:20:57 AM »
"where she belongs"...that's healthy...   ::)  :P j/k, as if I could resist a plant myself ...

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #457 on: August 19, 2014, 09:59:38 PM »
Hi

This video is perfect for this group!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5GF9o4oWWo

(I'm teetotal ... I dont want to incite the worst of the sins: Jaboticaba mix with alcohol, would leave us in various groups for anonymous addicts!)

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #458 on: September 01, 2014, 03:56:32 PM »
i've had a few people ask me, how long can a jaboticaba tree live?

my guess is anywhere from 40-200+ yrs, depending on the species (or variety)...

maybe I'm way off?
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #459 on: September 01, 2014, 04:49:27 PM »
Adam, is there anything unique among the jaboticabas I found while in Brazil (or are they all common)?  I think the jaboticaba is my favorite landscape tree.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #460 on: September 01, 2014, 05:04:16 PM »
Adam, is there anything unique among the jaboticabas I found while in Brazil (or are they all common)?  I think the jaboticaba is my favorite landscape tree.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12360.0

nice photos...looks like u got some Sabara, Red jabo (precocoe, hibrida), and maybe some M. cauliflora...

hard to say for sure what some of the dark black fruits are....
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #461 on: September 01, 2014, 05:09:11 PM »
Thanks Adam... hopefully will get some of the seeds from black fruit to germinate so we can ID for certain.  I figured sabara since its so common, but couldn't find sabara in fruit anywhere I went.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #462 on: October 21, 2014, 04:18:47 PM »
I'm in!  ;D  Finally got a flower forming on one of my jaboticabas.
On my white jabo. There are a few more flower buds on the white also.


The grimal looks like it is getting ready to put some buds out also.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #463 on: October 21, 2014, 04:27:25 PM »
Congrats!!

not many of these fruiting in USA! 

the fruits are easy to miss...they blend in with the foliage, and stay green even when ripe....birds are oblivious...I bet fruit flies have trouble seeing them too!
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #464 on: October 23, 2014, 06:47:52 AM »
Dropped around to a friends place earlier this week and his jabs were just finishing their first crop. He has a nice sized sabara and a tall Grimal. He also has a fruiting white jab, but it's not cropping yet - later in the summer. A few pics

Sabara, with many fruits knocked to the ground by the bats.







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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #465 on: October 23, 2014, 09:07:21 AM »
is tha a koala doll in the sabra?
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #466 on: October 23, 2014, 07:26:07 PM »
Its a wombat hand puppet. He has a few in trees, which I am pretty sure is just to warn off possums, who will destroy a crop in a night. They are territorial, so animal dolls in trees can fool them for a while - hopefully near as long as your crop ripens.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #467 on: October 26, 2014, 12:31:55 PM »
Nice trees beautiful fruit! 8)

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #468 on: November 07, 2014, 02:12:15 PM »
Are jaboticabas self-fertile? I'm considering buying a red jaboticaba but only have room for one.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #469 on: November 07, 2014, 02:38:20 PM »
"Myrciaria cauliflora is fairly cold-hardy and will tolerate temperatures in the mid-lower 20° F range for short periods.  They grow best in full sun to part shade.  The root system is shallow and trees will benefit from supplemental irrigation during dry periods.  Trees are self-pollinating but fruit production will be increased with cross-pollination."

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #470 on: November 07, 2014, 02:39:24 PM »
Are jaboticabas self-fertile? I'm considering buying a red jaboticaba but only have room for one.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #471 on: November 07, 2014, 02:44:04 PM »
Red Jaboticaba seems to be the perfect fruit tree. 

It has cold tolerance
It is precocious
It is self-fertile
It is ornamental
It can take some shade

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #472 on: November 08, 2014, 05:11:27 AM »
"Myrciaria cauliflora is fairly cold-hardy and will tolerate temperatures in the mid-lower 20° F range for short periods.  They grow best in full sun to part shade.  The root system is shallow and trees will benefit from supplemental irrigation during dry periods.  Trees are self-pollinating but fruit production will be increased with cross-pollination."

http://growerjim.blogspot.com/2010/09/jaboticaba-myrciaria-cauliflora.html

That is a direct quote from the Morton book. But really there is no proof that jaboticabas fruit better in groups. Definitely they are self pollinating. It's never been shown, as far as i know, that trees fruit better in groups.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #473 on: November 29, 2014, 12:21:23 AM »
Hi All,

Help me please! Need to know what type of Myrciaria or Plinia seedlings in the picture below:








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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #474 on: November 29, 2014, 07:12:41 AM »
Hoping for a first fruiting on my sabara. Third flowering coming on now.

Is it usual for sabara to throw grape like clusters of flowers? Most of the flowers are arranged in clusters on a single stalk, up to ten on each. I've seen them set multiple flowers on multiple stalks from a single flowering node, but I can't recall seeing this flower arrangement. Not that I've ever really looked that hard, mind you.