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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #950 on: July 16, 2015, 03:45:58 AM »
Friends,
probably you missed my questions. Please look previous posts.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #951 on: July 16, 2015, 09:06:36 AM »
Syzygium cumini

Sorry no syzygiums allowed in JA.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #952 on: July 16, 2015, 09:59:41 AM »
Thanks Adam! I deleted "alien" Syzygium image.

We need sandy soil mix for Jaboticaba or not?
Why it has brown leaves tips all almost time?
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #953 on: July 16, 2015, 10:09:36 AM »
Thanks Adam! I deleted "alien" Syzygium image.

We need sandy soil mix for Jaboticaba or not?
Why it has brown leaves tips all almost time?

sounds like lack of humidity. (sandy soil is not a requisite).

can be several factors though, sometimes water quality can do this too.

some trees are more sensitive than others (trunciflora is one of the worst, always seems to have this problem no matter what)

it is not a big deal, as long as new growth emerges in healthy condition.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #954 on: July 17, 2015, 11:47:37 AM »
Alex!
I have the same problem. You irrigate with city water? If yes, you must forget it. I used
earlier pure city water, but it didn't work. Always had chlorosis problem with my plants (citrus trees and coffee was the worst)  So, i used for few years  "managed" city water. I'll tell you how i make it. First leave the water stand for a day. The chlorine is removed. Second I use vinegar essence for pickling. For 10 liter of water 1 teaspoon vinegar essence. From ph 7,5 to pH 6,8 decreases. And I use always a small amount of general fertilizer + small amount chelated Fe.
I know rainwater would be the best, but unfortunately there is no chance. I almost forgot: if you can't use vinegar essence, you can substitute citric acid. In this case for 10 liter of water 10 gramm citric acid.
This method worked my citrus trees and another acid soil loving plants(coffee, orangeberry)

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #955 on: July 17, 2015, 03:15:44 PM »
My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #956 on: July 17, 2015, 03:33:27 PM »
My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...

I'm willing to bet lack of humidity is the cause, (what is the relative humidity in your growing area?)
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #957 on: July 18, 2015, 01:28:17 AM »
My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...

I'm willing to bet lack of humidity is the cause, (what is the relative humidity in your growing area?)
In this part of greenhouse 65-70% on the average. When humidifier works - 75-80%. Not enough?
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #958 on: July 18, 2015, 10:47:53 AM »
I'm not sure what is too low for relative humidity...my trees are always kept at about 80% or higher.

I would try to increase the humidity to see if it helps.

if not, it could still be a water quality issue (even well water can have dissolved minerals or salt, that can burn leaf tips)

My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
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In this part of greenhouse 65-70% on the average. When humidifier works - 75-80%. Not enough?
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #959 on: July 20, 2015, 01:03:53 PM »
My sabara in 25gal container has been suffering from iron deficiency.  Has anyone ever used ironite mineral supplement on jabos?  I added a few teaspoons into the 25gal pot.

There were a lot of controversies in the early 2000 regarding ironite's arsenic and lead levels.  Does anyone know if the ironite mineral supplement contains the same level of arsenic and lead in their new product?  I can't find any reviews on it.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #960 on: July 20, 2015, 02:33:04 PM »
My water includs some iron and manganese, but Jaboticaba has been still suffering.
I suppose at first heavy soil with not good aeration.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #961 on: July 21, 2015, 03:32:27 AM »
My sabaras are fruiting again and it is mid winter although the dry season hasn't really started. The flying foxes have been screeching away in the last 2 evenings.I strolled out the front of my house last night and a flying fox burst out just brushing me.It makes you jump as they must have a wing span over 3 feet.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #962 on: July 21, 2015, 04:46:19 AM »
My sabaras are fruiting again and it is mid winter although the dry season hasn't really started. The flying foxes have been screeching away in the last 2 evenings.I strolled out the front of my house last night and a flying fox burst out just brushing me.It makes you jump as they must have a wing span over 3 feet.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #963 on: July 21, 2015, 04:54:21 AM »
Gotta get a new camera Oscar as I am reduced to taking pictures with this IPad at the moment.It can't focus in the dark.Years ago I took a picture of a striped possum on Peter Salleras rambutans and the shots were used all over the place. The same with a fig parrot eating figs.I used to make good money out of nature photography but only take a few snaps these days.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #964 on: July 21, 2015, 05:00:34 AM »
My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...

I'm willing to bet lack of humidity is the cause, (what is the relative humidity in your growing area?)
In this part of greenhouse 65-70% on the average. When humidifier works - 75-80%. Not enough?

for sure it is not a humidity.. here we have average relative humidity at 66 percent and no brown tips on jaboticabas. I would bet it is fertilizer or better, excessive mineral build up in the soil.   
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #965 on: July 21, 2015, 02:30:29 PM »
My greenhose in vacation home and I used artesian well, no chlorine.
Anyway thanks for very useful expirience!
Suspect the bad soil aeration lead to problems too...


I'm willing to bet lack of humidity is the cause, (what is the relative humidity in your growing area?)
In this part of greenhouse 65-70% on the average. When humidifier works - 75-80%. Not enough?

for sure it is not a humidity.. here we have average relative humidity at 66 percent and no brown tips on jaboticabas. I would bet it is fertilizer or better, excessive mineral build up in the soil.   

thank you for the info Sanitarium!

I agree with you...my second theory is more likely...minerals in the well water are probably the cause.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #966 on: July 21, 2015, 08:25:34 PM »
Alex!
I have the same problem. You irrigate with city water? If yes, you must forget it. I used
earlier pure city water, but it didn't work. Always had chlorosis problem with my plants (citrus trees and coffee was the worst)  So, i used for few years  "managed" city water. I'll tell you how i make it. First leave the water stand for a day. The chlorine is removed. Second I use vinegar essence for pickling. For 10 liter of water 1 teaspoon vinegar essence. From ph 7,5 to pH 6,8 decreases. And I use always a small amount of general fertilizer + small amount chelated Fe.
I know rainwater would be the best, but unfortunately there is no chance. I almost forgot: if you can't use vinegar essence, you can substitute citric acid. In this case for 10 liter of water 10 gramm citric acid.
This method worked my citrus trees and another acid soil loving plants(coffee, orangeberry)

Thanks Ataman!
Jaboticaba really so like acid soil?
Anybody else has such experience with vinegar essence or other acidifiers?

Adam,
I didnt say, that reduce minrerals in the water by filter system. Maybe not enough...
I can take water from nearest spring.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #967 on: July 21, 2015, 08:28:22 PM »
Alex I'm curious to know what type of fertilizer do you apply ? how much? how often?

yes most myrciarias appreciate a pH of about 6.5 or lower (down to 4.8 or lower for some I believe!  like camu camu)
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #968 on: July 22, 2015, 03:37:32 AM »
My sabaras are like machines with multiple fruitings a year with minimal fertilizer and a pH of 6.0.No wonder the flying foxes have them as first port to stop over each evening.

You can't get enough in the frame to show fruit volume.
I hope the f ' ing foxes don't work the grimal over next.


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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #969 on: July 22, 2015, 03:49:34 AM »
Gotta get a new camera Oscar as I am reduced to taking pictures with this IPad at the moment.It can't focus in the dark.Years ago I took a picture of a striped possum on Peter Salleras rambutans and the shots were used all over the place. The same with a fig parrot eating figs.I used to make good money out of nature photography but only take a few snaps these days.

Do it for Adam, please! I'm sure he'd love to post a photo on his Flying Fox website of the real flying foxes demolishing his favorite fruit?  ;) Would that be good or bad for business?  ;)
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #970 on: July 22, 2015, 11:08:44 AM »
Mike...

I'm willing to pay for a good pic!

make it happen!

(I will honestly write a review of Jim Jefferies routine if that's what it takes!)

I'd go fruit bat shit crazy for a pic of a flying fox feeding on a fruiting Jabracadabra!

Gotta get a new camera Oscar as I am reduced to taking pictures with this IPad at the moment.It can't focus in the dark.Years ago I took a picture of a striped possum on Peter Salleras rambutans and the shots were used all over the place. The same with a fig parrot eating figs.I used to make good money out of nature photography but only take a few snaps these days.

Do it for Adam, please! I'm sure he'd love to post a photo on his Flying Fox website of the real flying foxes demolishing his favorite fruit?  ;) Would that be good or bad for business?  ;)
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #971 on: July 22, 2015, 05:53:38 PM »
OK I'll try tonight.They are all the one species, the spectacled flying fox which is the dominant rainforest type in my area.They are really big and boldly marled with yellow spectacles and nape.

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« Reply #972 on: July 22, 2015, 05:57:56 PM »
OK I'll try tonight.They are all the one species, the spectacled flying fox which is the dominant rainforest type in my area.They are really big and boldly marled with yellow spectacles and nape.

if you honestly are trying, I'm going to watch Mr. Jefferies tonight...with an open mind (as far as comedy is concerned...not politics...lol)

and if you get a decent pic, I will insist that you let me compensate you monetarily for your efforts!  (hope you have paypal, and hope you get a few good photos!!)

I appreciate you making an attempt, I owe you a favor now regardless.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #974 on: July 22, 2015, 06:15:19 PM »
http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/bats-earn-permanent-home-in-cairns-cbd-after-council-backflip/story-fnjpusyw-1227453077384

The bats cause many battles in my home town such as this in today's local rag.

All very funny! I'm sure that in Florida everyone would be taking shots at these bats. Second ammendment and roaming fruit predatory wildlife don't mix very well. Floridians certainly aren't very tolerant of squirrels, with rallying cry of: "Death to all squirrels". So what do you think would happen if these bats that Adam so desperately wants a photo of appeared in Florida?  ;) Bat soup anyone?
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