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fruitlovers · « **Reply #275 on:** October 16, 2013, 06:50:33 PM »

Quote from: davidgarcia899 on October 16, 2013, 10:47:08 AM

I hate this thread, makes me realize how many species I'm missing.

I visited Marco Lacerda's nursery and farm in October 2009. He is one of the co-authors of the Brazilian Fruits book. His nursery is just a few miles from Rio, on the outskirts. It was mind boggling to see all the diversity he has planted there. He specializes in myrtaceaes. We walked along the tree orchard and he told me all the species, most of which i'd never heard of at that time. Also there were variations and cultivars of many of the species...even more mind boggling! I realized then we only had a drop in the bucket in the USA of what actually exists. Unfortunately i wasn't there during fruiting season so didn't get to taste any of the rare jabos. Would be great to go back there some year in September, which i think is peak season for these fruits there. Marco was here for a visit a couple of months ago and i tried in vain to return some of his great hospitality.

kgknight · « **Reply #276 on:** October 17, 2013, 01:10:20 AM »

Oscar, that sounds like a really awesome opportunity you had visiting there. Have you ever talked with him about getting some seeds? He sounds like a perfect resource to get a lot of the rare varieties into the US. Id love to go there one day for a variety of reasons but definitely to visit some of these places that are full of rare jabo species.

fruitlovers · « **Reply #277 on:** October 17, 2013, 01:37:36 AM »

Quote from: kgknight on October 17, 2013, 01:10:20 AM

Oscar, that sounds like a really awesome opportunity you had visiting there. Have you ever talked with him about getting some seeds? He sounds like a perfect resource to get a lot of the rare varieties into the US. Id love to go there one day for a variety of reasons but definitely to visit some of these places that are full of rare jabo species.

Is the pope Catholic? Yes ofcourse i talked to him about it!

Brazil is a wonderful place to visit. You should go if you ever have the chance.

fruitlovers · « **Reply #278 on:** October 17, 2013, 01:43:41 AM »

I forgot to mention. Marcos brought me a bottle of jaboticaba wine when he visited. It was the best wine ever! I really savored every drop.

kgknight · « **Reply #279 on:** October 17, 2013, 01:46:39 AM »

lol Ill be expecting exotic seeds to be posted to your website then!!! Its on the to do list.

huertasurbanas · « **Reply #280 on:** October 22, 2013, 12:00:07 AM »

Hi, just showing some progres with the red jabo seeds

Just 2 questions:

1 are them sensitive to overwatering?

2 Being polyembryonic, I see that sometimes grows more than one stem, then would it make sense to divide to produce 2 trees?

fruitlovers · « **Reply #281 on:** October 22, 2013, 12:10:24 AM »

Not sensititive to over watering, they like a LOT of water. Sometimes you get twin seeds stuck together, not really polyembryonic seed, and if you can easily separate them then yes can make two plants. The true polys are hard to separate and would just leave them as they are for fear of damaging them.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #282 on:** October 22, 2013, 12:12:50 AM »

Huertas,

nice pics!

in theory you should be able to split a seed before germinating, but I wouldn't try after the seeds have been sprouted in soil. I'd be afraid to damage the plant, but Im sure it could be done.

they can be sensitive to over watering in certain cases, especially if the water or soil quality is not optimal. For instance, overwatering with high ph or salt laden water can be detrimental...but with that said, I've had red jabo seedlings submerged underwater completely for over 1 month that showed no signs of stress. So yes, they can handle a flood...but it's best to let them breath...at least once in a while.

they also like a bit of shade, especially when less than 2yrs old.

huertasurbanas · « **Reply #283 on:** October 22, 2013, 11:55:40 PM »

Thanks Oscar and Adam, as I killed several guabiju seedlings because overwatering, I was afraid...

here In argentina we said

"the one who burns himself with milk see the cow and cries"...

So, almost no problems with overwatering...

For "a bit of shade" I understand: sun from the morning, shade from the afternoon or the inverse.

emegar · « **Reply #284 on:** October 23, 2013, 11:50:29 AM »

Jaboholics, a question:

I know we often talk about years to fruiting for various species, but I'm wondering if anyone can give me a sense of how caliper, or trunk thickness relates to fruiting. Here's my situation. I bought a what I believe is a sabara seedling from a guy who had it in a small pot in the shade, allegedly for about 10 years. It was tiny, but has more than tripled in size since I potted it up and started giving it more sun. I'm planning on doing some pruning soon, because it has a fairly sprawling habit at the moment (not very upright), and is only about 18" tall, but at least twice as wide. About how thick should the trunk be a few inches above the soil level before I can expect to see any flowering?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #285 on:** October 23, 2013, 02:56:47 PM »

the smallest I've seen sabara fruit is about 4ft tall with a 2.5 inch caliper.

I've never seen a jaboticaba that flowered before the bark exfoliated for the first time.

in other words, no fruits until your bark peels.

Quote from: emegar on October 23, 2013, 11:50:29 AM

Jaboholics, a question:

I know we often talk about years to fruiting for various species, but I'm wondering if anyone can give me a sense of how caliper, or trunk thickness relates to fruiting. Here's my situation. I bought a what I believe is a sabara seedling from a guy who had it in a small pot in the shade, allegedly for about 10 years. It was tiny, but has more than tripled in size since I potted it up and started giving it more sun. I'm planning on doing some pruning soon, because it has a fairly sprawling habit at the moment (not very upright), and is only about 18" tall, but at least twice as wide. About how thick should the trunk be a few inches above the soil level before I can expect to see any flowering?

emegar · « **Reply #286 on:** October 23, 2013, 04:27:18 PM »

Thanks, Adam. That definitely helps me gauge their progress.

shah8 · « **Reply #287 on:** October 25, 2013, 05:07:09 PM »

It seems to me that M. spirito santensis and M coronata have relatively similar fruit and growth habits/leaves. I have a plant grown from seeds of a "giant jaboticaba" sent by the Grimal estate curator back in the nineties. So I've been curious about whether it is M coronata after all, instead of it being the Grimal variety. The fruit didn't taste like concord grapes much to me, being more like canned mangosteen with a muscadine-thick resinous rind.

The plant isn't that vigorous, but it's an extremely tough one, having survive all these years of abuse and is about 7 ft tall now. Definitely can handle flooded situations without a sweat for some time.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #288 on:** October 25, 2013, 05:34:53 PM »

shah8,

they're quite differen to me...spirito santensis (Grimal) has fuzzy skin, and thicker pulp...and thicker skin.

sounds like u have Grimal...I doubt u have coronata.

also, coronata has a crown (yellow / green spot at apex of fruit) hence the name, coronata.

shah8 · « **Reply #289 on:** October 25, 2013, 06:21:44 PM »

What are the differences between the plants? It's been a very long time since that fruit entered my gullet...

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #290 on:** November 10, 2013, 07:08:35 PM »

the rats are getting my red jaboticaba fruits...but there's too many for them to eat them all.

one of the grafted white jabos that I ended up keeping...it was a cocktail tree, but I decided to cut one scion off.

killer sunset.

Tomas · « **Reply #291 on:** November 10, 2013, 07:37:58 PM »

Hi Adam,

Is that red jaboticaba plant in the top picture from a seedling?

Tomas

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #292 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:21:04 PM »

Quote from: Tomas on November 10, 2013, 07:37:58 PM

Hi Adam,

Is that red jaboticaba plant in the top picture from a seedling?

Tomas

yes Tomas,

that's a seedling.

emegar · « **Reply #293 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:28:21 PM »

Do we know if anyone on the forum has a fruiting white jabo? Does Helton offer seeds on a regular basis? I belive I read that they're in season in December in Brazil. I've been checking his English seed page on an ongoing basis, but I'd rather buy or trade with a forum member, if that were an option.

davidgarcia899 · « **Reply #294 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:38:56 PM »

Ya, I am still looking for a white jabo as well

edself65 · « **Reply #295 on:** November 10, 2013, 11:49:14 PM »

That's a great looking grafted White Jaboticaba Adam! They seem to perform way better as a grafted plant versus on their on roots!

Ed

BMc · « **Reply #296 on:** November 11, 2013, 01:40:49 AM »

I had a bunch of seeds from a friends white jab tree. Ran out of time to post on the forum and ended up with heaps of young plants. Unfortunately I over fertilized and about 40% have perished but I've got a few. Rey strong seedlings as a result. I should be able to get a few seeds if anyone's interested.

davidgarcia899 · « **Reply #297 on:** November 14, 2013, 09:57:23 AM »

I'd be interested in some seeds

ScottR · « **Reply #298 on:** November 14, 2013, 12:03:22 PM »

Nice looking White Jabo Adam, how hardy do you think the White Jabo is ? thanks for posting.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #299 on:** November 14, 2013, 12:29:24 PM »

thanks Robert!

I've never fully tested their tolerance, in fear of losing one of these rare plants...but I'm certain they're more sensitive than sabara...probably can handle 28F with superficial damage...but 26F should be close to critical.

on a side note, they seem to be very resistant to rust, high humidity, and low light levels.

they will absolutely hate cold dry wind...i bet they could defoliate at 39F if it's dry and windy. (although partial defoliation may be normal...as they're semi deciduous)

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