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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #150 on: December 17, 2016, 11:12:15 PM »
Adam. How can I contact you to claim the anomaly seed? thanks

I'm working my way down the list, but it's going to take me a while to finish all the requests.

Please send me an email now, to flyingfoxfruits@gmail.com, and make the subject "Anomaly lottery"

and I will start the process of filling your order

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #151 on: December 17, 2016, 11:31:44 PM »
Thanks Adam. Just sent you the email.

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #152 on: April 13, 2017, 02:22:58 PM »
any update on this? seedlings and graft you planted retained same characteristics? any seed or plant available for sale? Thanks!

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #153 on: December 04, 2017, 02:51:27 PM »
so...it's been a little less than 2y, since I grafted a small scion off of the "Anomaly" seedling, i remember the cutting i took was not more than 4mm in diameter, and if i'm not mistaken, it had not flowered yet (the mother tree had been flowering, but not the actual branch i took)...

as of now, the mother tree has been flowering continually for 2yrs straight, never taking a complete break, but definitely has biggest crops during winter, and spring, with production lagging during late summer/fall....and sometimes the tree will set lots of fruits, and other times, it will not set any at all, i think it depends on the environmental conditions quite a bit.

because the tree was so precocious, and bloomed so prolifically, i thought i might get lucky, with the grafted tree fruiting in about 1y from the time it was made...but it ended up taking about 22-23 month for the grafted tree to show signs of reproductive growth,

here is a recent photo of the mother tree, flowering up a storm per usual...

and also some photos of the first grafted tree I made from the Anomaly, with flowers emerging after approx. 2y from grafting.  It looks like it's going to be blooming in several places, I'm excited to see how it behaves as a grafted tree...it's vigor is noticeably improved when it's growing on Sabara roots.











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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #154 on: December 04, 2017, 11:57:12 PM »
Awesome! I love seeing pictures of that little "Anomaly" monster.
Your posts encouraged me to graft a bunch of Sabara  seedlings and I had a really good success rate with 4 varieties from branches that already fruited. Thanks Plinia Prince , or have you graduated to a loftier Jabo centric title at this point?

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #155 on: December 05, 2017, 01:00:33 PM »
Awesome! I love seeing pictures of that little "Anomaly" monster.
Your posts encouraged me to graft a bunch of Sabara  seedlings and I had a really good success rate with 4 varieties from branches that already fruited. Thanks Plinia Prince , or have you graduated to a loftier Jabo centric title at this point?

thanks Jonah!

glad to hear u are grafting Plinias, it's really not that hard, especially if you aren't using super thick scions.

I'm trying to move as fast as I can, to get this variety released to the public, but I just realized it was something special around 2y ago, and it takes years of observation to figure out how the plant will behave.

I'm learning more about the juvenility period of Plinia grafts, and finding out which ones fruit fastest, and how to graft them so they will fruit faster. 

I'm hoping to use some mature scions from the Anomaly next season, I still want to see a small grafted plant (single graft, not multiple grafts, which usually fruit faster) flowering in 1y.

I've been able to get Myrciarias to flower this way, but not yet any of the Plinias, which seem to fruit on older wood.

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #156 on: December 06, 2017, 11:27:45 AM »
beautiful pic's of your "Anomaly" jabo Adam, love all the great pictures you've post on your little (now getting bigger) jabo that could!!
Keep up the great work ;) 8)

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« Reply #157 on: December 09, 2017, 04:08:21 AM »
Thanx
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Re: unusually precocious jaboticaba seedling, less than 3 ft tall
« Reply #158 on: December 09, 2017, 09:19:17 PM »
Solko,

i have only heard hearsay accounts, and never any concrete evidence, but the sources in Brazil that I rely on for information say it's a hybrid of M. aureana, and M. cauliflora.

for some reason I remember hearing that is was created in Japan? (maybe I'm crazy?)

I believe the seeds are nucellar (poly).

but they seem extremely stable...with barely any variation noticeable after planting thousands of seeds...maybe 10-20 specimens appear to be unique.

some could be new mutations, or they could also be the result of a chance hybridization...at least 4 species that are capable of hybridizing were fruiting in close proximity.

It would be great to create some hybrids...I just need to buckle down and make another solid attempt!

last time I attempted to hand pollinate Grimal flowers with White pollen, and I was so excited when I got seeds from the fruit...of course all 3 seeds rotted when planted them!!  I must have gave them too much attention!  There must be a bacteria on my hands that spread to the seeds, lol...i kept touching the pot, to pick it up, and look for my germinating seeds... :( 



Hi Adam,

Do you know more about the history of the Red Jaboticaba? I understood that the cross was a recent one. Are the seeds nucellar? If the Red is indeed a hybrid of two different species of Jaboticaba, and the seeds are not nucellar, it is very normal to see more diversity and variation expressed in the third, fourth and fifth generation of offspring, then in the first, or second of the original cross. This is due to the fact that any combination of genes that paired up as Xx in the original cross - X from one parent, and x from the other, always only express the big X - quality.
Only in later generations of this hybrid crossing again with itself will you see a small percentage of xx combinations surface, together with XX, Xx and xX, which will all look the same. And that goes for every different quality of the two original parents.

So I think you have a valuable little variation in your hands here. Especially if you want to do some breeding work with Jaboticaba's, it will be very useful to cross this one with other species. Because the benefit of getting crosses that have a short flowering cycle will enable you to raise three or four generations - that is three or four controlled crosses, in the time you usually can only do one. And for Jaboticaba's that is very important, since in a human lifetime for some species, you only get the chance to do three crosses.

If you can get this precocious flowering gene into other species of Jaboticaba it may save them from extinction. Just by making Jaboticaba's a more economically interesting plant.

There are also breeders who use a very precocious variety in crosses to create a new hybrid, that, once the short flowering gene has enabled you to improve the variety quickly, by selecting through three or four generations, arrive at a final plant that doesn't have to contain the short flowering gene itself. It just has better fruit and disease resistance.

Good luck!
The rumor is that the hybrid red was the product of a Japanese grower in Brazil. (There are very many Japanese immigrants in Japan, and a lot of them went there to farm.)
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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #159 on: December 09, 2017, 11:44:21 PM »
Brasil has the largest Japanese population outside Japan. The first wave of Japanese immigrants went to Brasil starting in 1903. The Japanese population is well respected and admired in Brasil.

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #160 on: December 23, 2017, 05:56:14 PM »
ok... so u saw the last bloom i posted pics below of, around Dec 3, or 4th...(i think the little cold snap we had, and this dry weather, made it so no fruit set...it saw 36-38F a few times i think)

but now check this round of flowers ;D...

















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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #161 on: December 23, 2017, 06:12:57 PM »
ok... so u saw the last bloom i posted pics below of, around Dec 3, or 4th...(i think the little cold snap we had, and this dry weather, made it so no fruit set...it saw 36-38F a few times i think)

but now check this round of flowers ;D...















Too bad no fruit set. Think I could buy a scion or two?
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« Reply #162 on: December 23, 2017, 08:18:22 PM »
Put me on the bottom of the waiting list for seeds I guess... this hobby really is addictive !

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #163 on: December 30, 2017, 04:00:04 PM »
still waiting for blooms to open, taking a long time because of night time temps being in the 40's...new pics soon.
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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #164 on: December 31, 2017, 07:38:20 PM »
Nice thread, looks like one more plant to acquire.
Thanks for sharing info in this.

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #166 on: January 02, 2018, 11:15:15 AM »
Amazing jewel you've got there Adam ;) 8)

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #167 on: January 02, 2018, 01:08:29 PM »
Adam, one of your tree's several years ago,Red Jabo.IIt likes my place just as good as yours




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« Reply #169 on: February 23, 2019, 02:21:14 AM »
Adam, your selection is awesome! The blooms are completely wrapping the trunk. I think one of the best attributes of your selection is that it’s precocity and constant flowering help to keep the size of the tree in check. This would also make a great variety for Bonsai work.

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #170 on: February 23, 2019, 06:10:36 PM »
Adam, your selection is awesome! The blooms are completely wrapping the trunk. I think one of the best attributes of your selection is that it’s precocity and constant flowering help to keep the size of the tree in check. This would also make a great variety for Bonsai work.

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thank u Simon,

I agree, it's main attraction is constant flowering, and dwarf size (even if the tree was nonfruiting i think it would be grown by lots of people because the flowering is perpetual, and it looks crazy)....as grafted tree it grows much faster...still, it grows slow compared to most fruit trees, only putting on about 1.5-2ft in a good growing season...

the tree has been incredibly productive for such a small specimen, but at times it gets frustrating, because it will bloom like crazy, and have minimal fruit set, and then out of nowhere it just decides to start setting tons of fruit again...I think because I move the tree around all the time during winter, it gets separated from it's normal pollinators, and they have to rediscover it every time i move it to a new location...

the fruit so far taste much like the red, but to be honest, i never had the patience to let them get fully ripe..I always ate them a tad early because they kept getting stolen by animals, and i wanted the seeds so bad.

I guess another nice feature is the fact that they can be eaten early, like the red, and they still taste very good...but there is nothing like a fruit that has been left on the tree for a few weeks, starting to shrivel a bit, and looking dull...the sweetest thing u ever tasted...like grape soda (Kyle Townsend coined that comparison, which i agree with totally)...i never got a chance to let anomaly get ripe like that....and I'm hoping to have the chance this season.
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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #171 on: May 08, 2019, 06:43:26 PM »
just got a refractometer, and started testing some fruits for brix %.

was pleasantly surprised to see Anomaly topping the charts, and beating any brix % i can find reference to on the internet in abstracts or web sites that have data on Plinia brix %.

the highest I've seen is about 16.5-17.5%  cited by other sources.

i tested some red jabos, some picked slightly early, some picked when ripe, but I have not tested them when super ripe.  The highest readings for red jabo i got so far were about 15-16%...

the anomaly came in at about 20%, maybe just a hair higher, but they were absolutely dead ripe, perfect stage.

to give a you an idea of some other brix % i got for the day, Pitangatuba 7-8%, Sapodilla "makok" 25%, pitanga black seedling 15%, pitanga zill dark grafted 19%, pitanga dasyblasta 22%, everglades tomato 7%, eugenia calycina 20%, thai dwarf mulberry 10%.

anomaly fruits are the two on the left, they have green splotches, even when totally ripe.  The red jabos are the two on the left, they were picked just a bit early, but were still very sweet.  I'm sure i would be able to get a slightly higher brix% if they were super ripe.

brix% for red jabo slightly early stage, approx 16%

perfectly ripe Anomaly fruit impressive 20% brix

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Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« Reply #172 on: May 14, 2019, 01:24:20 AM »
hey it only took about 4yrs since i told ya'll about it, now it's for sale!

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« Reply #174 on: May 30, 2019, 10:50:51 AM »
WOW Adam, you go dude 8) That's got to be some kind of record for rare plant sale ;)