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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Smallest fig?
« on: June 10, 2016, 01:06:54 PM »
My best friend and I both have a Violette De Bordeaux fig in a pot for about 3 years now and both our trees produce lots of super tasty figs on a small bushy tree. If you look up VDB, most pictures show a tiny fig but with good fertilization and watering, the fig gets much larger. Here are some pictures of a couple VDB figs that are almost ready, they are not fully black yet. In certain months, the figs are much smaller, this is the first crop of the year and I started harvesting a couple weeks ago.

Simon




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brix meters
« on: June 10, 2016, 12:53:44 PM »
The Azzota models are much heavier and cost about triple that of the China models but they both work really well.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brix meters
« on: June 10, 2016, 12:50:37 PM »
I have two handheld refractometers, a cheap ATC(automatic temperature compensating) model that measures Brix between 0-32 and I have another one from Azzota that is higher quality and comes with a case, I believe it is made in the USA and it measures Brix between 0-60 with a resolution of .2%


For most fruit, the cheap 0-32 Brix refractometers work perfectly. If your going to measure super sweet fruit like some of the newer Zill mango varieties, you may need a refractometer that goes above 32. The cheap 0-32 models cost around $20 on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s?k=refractometer

I'm also interested in the Brix reading of the Mexican mangosteen. Cheers

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: bicephaly cherimoya flower
« on: June 09, 2016, 05:59:31 PM »
I just found this 6 petals flower on my multigraft cherimoya, I foliar fed this tree a while back and wonder if it may have caused this. JF, yours looks like an octopus!

Simon






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Most likely our cool weather. I have several trees that I've been giving ground and foliar applications of nitrogen fertilizer but they are still flowering. My nightly lows are still around 60F, occasionally lower. I believe the nightly lows need to average about 62F or higher to push the hormones more to vegetative growth.

According to the research out there, new growth is not fixed as either all veg or all flowering but can be influenced by the weather. A flower spike exposed to higher temps for about two weeks can start to form vegetative growth and vice versa.

If you have low leaf nitrogen levels, it will also promote more flowering.

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1677-04202007000400007&script=sci_arttext

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Up Potting
« on: June 09, 2016, 11:40:11 AM »
I used the same potting mix in all the experiments and the experiments were done with bell peppers and Angelica Keiske. The plants in the smaller containers were much easier to water. I felt that I had to waste a lot of water to thoroughly saturate the soil in the large containers and by the time it was ready to water the plants in the smaller containers, I wasn't sure where the water level was for the plants in the larger container. The growth difference was drastic.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice Cream Mango
« on: June 09, 2016, 02:16:00 AM »
This video demonstrates what I'm talking about with the first technique. I would be even more gentle than the guy in the video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G3bGNUyHdyE

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice Cream Mango
« on: June 09, 2016, 02:11:15 AM »
Ice Cream mango is excellent! I tried it at a mango tasting we had here in SoCal and it was perhaps the best mango or at least top three of the day. I think just about everyone rated it as #1, 2 or 3.

It is very sweet and it has a unique complex taste that is difficult to describe but it's absolutely delicious. Picking mangos here in California is different than in Florida. Depending on your location and climate, our mangos may need to hang on the tree a lot longer because we don't get as much heat.

In your situation where you only have a single mango, waiting a bit longer is better than picking it early. What I do is wait for the shoulders to fill in and when i notice the mango is not getting any larger and I feel it is about to fall off the tree, I very gently lift the mango in the palm of my hand until the mango is laying flat on my hand. I do this trying not to put any pressure on where the mango and the stem meets. If it comes off the stem, it should ripen properly. Don't try to force it off.

Alternatively if you want to get the maximum flavor. You may want to bag the fruit and carefully tie it to the branch so that if it drops off the tree, the bag will catch it before it hits the ground. If you think it's ready and it's still hanging on the tree, give it a gentle tap and if it falls off, it should ripen.

I am not currently growing Ice Cream but I will be grafting it to my trees this year. Please keep us updated on what you think of the fruit!

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Up Potting
« on: June 08, 2016, 08:13:25 PM »
I've performed several experiments with plants that were either gradually stepped up vs plants that were up potted into much larger pots. The plants that were gradually stepped up grew approximately twice as fast. Try it yourself, I wish I still had the pictures.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The older ...the better ..
« on: June 08, 2016, 08:10:54 PM »
Absolutely true, I'm my opinion!  This is especially true with Lychees and many other types of fruit. My Gold Nugget tangerine had some poor quality fruit the first year, good fruit the second year and excellent fruit the third year. My friend Leo has a much older, probably 10+ year old Gold nugget tangerine and the fruit from his tree is exceptional.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Worth the try....tricking the birds
« on: June 08, 2016, 08:07:52 PM »
I used the rat zapper and killed about 12 rats last year. It was incredible, I killed the first rat within an hour after setting it out. I read that after you get one rat, the others will shortly follow so I dumped out the dead rat and re set the trap in the same spot and killed several more days that same night. There is no blood to mess with. You just have to make sure it doesn't get wet, it's not really meant to be used outdoors.

I also set a few snapping rat traps and accidentally killed a mockingbird. My friend also reported he accidentally killed several small birds with the snapping type rat or mouse traps.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bailey's Marvel,Champagne from seed.
« on: June 08, 2016, 01:30:43 PM »
You might want to add Sweet Tart, Lemon Zest, Pina Colada, Ice Cream, Fruit Punch. I like Baileys Marvel but I like these even more. Good luck with your trees!

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 100 Plus Year Old Mango Tree
« on: June 08, 2016, 08:14:04 AM »
That's awesome, I love seeing old trees like that.

Simon

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Awesome variety of fruit Adam! I'm sure it's safe to say you get enough vitamin C:)

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bailey's Marvel,Champagne from seed.
« on: June 06, 2016, 08:11:02 PM »
Nice update, it would have probably grow even better if you planted the Champaigne mango seed directly in the ground. I see your seedling has a nice trunk but the lot will restrict its growth, less so if it sends some roots through the drainage holes and into the ground.

There may be variability in fruit quality, even with polyembryonic mango seedlings. Please keep us updated!

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Worth the try....tricking the birds
« on: June 06, 2016, 08:05:35 PM »
That sounds like an ingenious way to trick the birds, thanks for sharing!

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top 5 heavy producing Mango Trees?
« on: June 06, 2016, 08:19:24 AM »
I believe the Japanese use about 40-60 leaves but I'm accounting for the fact they grow theirs in a greenhouse. I also upped the number of leaves in the hopes my tree will get a vegetative flush as well. I'm glad Lemon Zest is spreading around, I hope Sweet Tart makes its way around as well.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are these Haden or Tommy Atkins?
« on: June 05, 2016, 10:32:44 PM »
Squam is the expert, I usually smell them or look for the stamp to find out what variety it is. I've used both Tommy Atkins and Haden as rootstock and they were very similar but Kent seedlings grew a bit faster so I mainly use Kent for my mono rootstocks.

It would be wonderful if you use different rootstocks so that we can compare the differences in growth between the different rootstocks in your yard vs in my yard. What works better in my soils may not necessarily work better in your yard. Please keep us updated.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's fruiting in your yard?
« on: June 05, 2016, 06:35:26 PM »
Awesome fruit everyone, all I've got is some Gold Nugget and Tango Tangerines, lemons and Gillette de Bordeaux figs. I also got some Surinam cherries and Capulin cherries from Leos place. I've also got Arctic Star nectarines and a few other random stone fruits planted over at my best friends place.

Simon










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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dripping with mangoes
« on: June 05, 2016, 05:13:58 PM »
Zands, beautiful trees loaded with fruit. I love the short stature of the trees. The fruit is within easy reach for bagging and harvesting.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top 5 heavy producing Mango Trees?
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:44:53 AM »
Nah, it might actually be fewer than 4 years for you, since you have more cold which tends to be a precocity inducer. The guys in california get fruit within a year or two. The tree is a vigorous grower, but it won't flower until it's either mature enough or stressed.

Lemon zest fits the bill. It does take 4 or so years to come into production though (here in FL).

Don't say that, just put one in. Probably means 6 years for us, although I do have a few rocket fuels in my tool box to help speed things up. ;)

I agree with Cookiemonster, I have two Lemon Zest trees on florida Turpentine rootstock that are starting their second year in the ground and one tree held several nubbin fruit the first year and the second tree is holding lots of thumb sized fruit this year. The canopy is only about three feet wide and I go by the Japanese method of allowing approx 60-80 leaves for each fruit to reach optimal flavor and sweetness so I'm only going to allow my tree to hold 2 fruit. This tree is planted very close to my house so I purposefully want to stunt its growth by allowing it to hold fruit.

But anyways, Mark, I think with your knowledge of plant growing and your relatively cool winters, you may get fruit within two year if you allow it. I hope you will be pleasantly surprised with the super awesome flavor of the Lemon Zest, it's absolutely incredible, one of my all time favorite mango varieties.

Here's a few shots of my young Lemon Zest, I'm sure more of the fruit will drop but if it doesn't soon, I will thin it down to a couple fruit. Here's in California and I assume other areas that are cooler, even some of the low producing mangos can be very highly productive like Eunices Edward tree that produces hundred of fruit.

Simon






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hello Everyone - I'm Back
« on: June 05, 2016, 01:36:11 AM »
Welcome back, many of us are still here. So, what top of your to get list?

Simon

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Here's a great thread on foliar feeding: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=241.0

Simon

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Something that significantly helped my trees which are grown in soil with an initial pH of around 8.2 was soil drenches with acid water. I used pH down( phosphoric acid) which you can order online and drenched the root zone of my in ground trees with water that was approximately pH 5. I used such a low pH drench to take into consideration the buffering capacity of the soil.

By bringing the pH of the rhizosphere down to approx 6.5, it allows for my plants to uptake nutrients that would otherwise be locked up at a higher pH. I tend to use organic fertilizers such as fish/kelp emulsion for ground applications of fertilizers and I foliar with chemical majors, minors and trace elements.

Cottonseed meal along with sulphur helps maintain the pH of my soil.

Simon

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I'm starting to think that foliar feeding is highly beneficial without the risk of nutrient lock that ground applications of fertilizer may cause.

Cookie Monster, are those leaves from older or younger leaves. Also were those leaves from some shaded portions of the canopy? I had leaves on my Gold Nugget Mandarin that looked like the leaves you posted and I attributed it to a very heavy fruit load pulling nutrients from older leaves. The affected leaves on my tree were towards the bottom most portion of my tree and occurred most in the center towards the trunk where most of the leaves were shaded.

Simon

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