Author Topic: Help ID Satsuma mandarin variety (Read 2430 times)

sc4001992 · « **on:** November 06, 2019, 07:55:20 AM »

Just wondering if anyone else had a cluster of fruits on one branch that has so many fruits ( total of 24).
This is a Satsuma scion branch that is about 2 years old on a grapefruit tree.

The fruits on this branch is smaller than normal but the taste is still good. I got the scion from UCR budwood but lost the tag. Can anyone help identify this Satsuma ?

I had a similar issue with oroblanco branch that had 110 fruits (normal size) on one large branch, it ended up braking off just as the fruits were yellow and almost ripe.

Bomand · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2019, 08:25:17 AM »

Kishu Mandrin??? Got seed? Color inside?)

sc4001992 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2019, 08:57:53 AM »

I have a few kishu trees with fruit now, they are smaller fruits.
These are maybe 1.5x the size (ranges from 1-1/2" to 2" diameter). Still taste good but not as sweet as kishu.
I will take a photo of the kishu fruit next to this one for comparison. This fruit may normally be slightly larger but due to the big cluster it might have smaller t than normal fruit. This is the first year the branch had any fruits so I didn't notice it until I looked up into the tree.
Somehow I had mislabeled this one as Kiyomi Tangor which is a big fruit, size of an orange.

EricSC · « **Reply #3 on:** September 06, 2020, 02:34:33 AM »

How do you rate Kiyomi Tangor, when compared with Satsuma or Gold nugget?

sc4001992 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 06, 2020, 02:22:36 PM »

Kiyomi is a larger fruit, very productive tree/graft.
But not as sweet as Gold Nugget or Satsuma. Seems to be more milder taste (not as sweet and no tangy taste).
In the comparison photo, I would say I like the fruits in following order.
1. Kishu
2. Gold Nugget
3. Kiyomi
4. Iyomikan

EricSC · « **Reply #5 on:** September 06, 2020, 06:37:28 PM »

Quote from: sc4001992 on September 06, 2020, 02:22:36 PM

Kiyomi is a larger fruit, very productive tree/graft.
But not as sweet as Gold Nugget or Satsuma. Seems to be more milder taste (not as sweet and no tangy taste).
In the comparison photo, I would say I like the fruits in following order.
1. Kishu
2. Gold Nugget
3. Kiyomi
4. Iyomikan

Thanks for the info. I am thinking to get the bud from CCPP. People mentioned they didn't like Iyomikan's taste and it has a tough segment skin.

sc4001992 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 07, 2020, 01:52:11 AM »

I agree, Iyomikan is not that good. I am grafting over the branch with sumo.
Make sure to get Shiranui now if you are getting from CCPP.

EricSC · « **Reply #7 on:** September 07, 2020, 01:21:51 PM »

Quote from: sc4001992 on September 07, 2020, 01:52:11 AM

I agree, Iyomikan is not that good. I am grafting over the branch with sumo.
Make sure to get Shiranui now if you are getting from CCPP.

Definitely. Thanks.

sc4001992 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2020, 02:09:42 AM »

After picking more satsuma fruits on my trees, now I think I figured out what variety the mystery satsuma is.
I have about 5 fruits that are ripening now and picked some to do a taste test. The satsuma in my original post above (Nov 2019) is a Dobashi Beni.

I picked fruits from Owari satsuma, Ponkan, Gold Nugget, and Dobashi Beni for the taste test. My favorite after the test is as follows:
1. Ponkan
2. Dobashi Beni
3. Owari
4. Gold Nugget - N/A, was not fully ripe.(need to wait until end of Jan/Feb)

containerman · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2020, 10:11:03 AM »

My Gold Nugget this year has several clusters of fruit on it.

sc4001992 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2020, 05:02:03 PM »

Yes, same here. I had some Gold Nugget that was already ripe a week ago, now I have more that are yellow but not ripe yet. Seems the fruits get sweeter if you wait about a month after it turns yellow. For me that seems to be about mid-Jan to Feb. Gold Nugget taste good if you pick them at the right time.

On the other hand, my Ponkan has been ripening for the last month and you can pick any yellow(ripe) fruit off the tree and it will be sweet. It seems to hang on the tree ripe longer so its easier to get good tasting fruit if its yellow.

containerman · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2020, 05:38:23 PM »

Quote from: sc4001992 on December 17, 2020, 05:02:03 PM

Yes, same here. I had some Gold Nugget that was already ripe a week ago, now I have more that are yellow but not ripe yet. Seems the fruits get sweeter if you wait about a month after it turns yellow. For me that seems to be about mid-Jan to Feb. Gold Nugget taste good if you pick them at the right time.

On the other hand, my Ponkan has been ripening for the last month and you can pick any yellow(ripe) fruit off the tree and it will be sweet. It seems to hang on the tree ripe longer so its easier to get good tasting fruit if its yellow.

I have 4 sumo's on my tree this year but I was going to wait until the end of January or early February to try them. I was also going to wait until Feb for the GN's. I know they will be gone by early march. I have about a 100 fruit on my 4 foot tree.

containerman · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2020, 05:39:42 PM »

Millet · « **Reply #13 on:** December 17, 2020, 06:08:34 PM »

I too have a Sumo (Dekopon) in ground tree with a lots of yellow fruit. Although they are now yellow, I can tell they still are not fully ripe. I did pick one yesterday for a taste. The fruit was not yet sweet. I too will wait until later in January or early February to harvest. Their are plenty of fruit on the tree, so I can test every couple weeks.

spaugh · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2020, 08:02:19 PM »

Quote from: sc4001992 on December 17, 2020, 05:02:03 PM

Yes, same here. I had some Gold Nugget that was already ripe a week ago, now I have more that are yellow but not ripe yet. Seems the fruits get sweeter if you wait about a month after it turns yellow. For me that seems to be about mid-Jan to Feb. Gold Nugget taste good if you pick them at the right time.

On the other hand, my Ponkan has been ripening for the last month and you can pick any yellow(ripe) fruit off the tree and it will be sweet. It seems to hang on the tree ripe longer so its easier to get good tasting fruit if its yellow.

My GN is so loaded it looks like it may break. The fruit are smaller than normal this year, probably should have thinned it out. Ill snap a pic of it tomorrow.

sc4001992 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 18, 2020, 02:52:16 AM »

Containerman your Gold Nugget is loaded, Wow !

Millet glad you mentioned about the Sumo taste test, I picked 3 fruits this week but I don't think it is fully ripe so I will leave the fruits on my table for another 2 weeks before tasting them. I only have 15 fruits on my grafted branch with fruits ripening.

Brad, my Sumo grafted branch had 15 fruits and as the fruits grew and turned yellow it got to heavy and cracked my branch so I had to do some repair.
My fruits seemed to be larger than last year.

Millet · « **Reply #16 on:** December 18, 2020, 11:11:25 AM »

The reason why each individual fruit is smaller in size when grown within a large bunch on the same branch, is because all of the growing energy comes only from the closest leaves, and not from the entire tree. Therefore, the growth energy has to be divided between the entire bunch.

spaugh · « **Reply #17 on:** December 18, 2020, 07:44:26 PM »

This is my GN, it should have been thinned out but I didnt realize it had so many fruits set. Hard yo tell until the feuit turn orange. The top half is new growth from summer and has little fruit. That part will set a lot of fruit in spring.

Millet · « **Reply #18 on:** December 18, 2020, 10:27:04 PM »

Spaugh, it would not surprise me that next years fruiting will be highly reduced. That amount of fruit is already showing a strain on the tree's ability to supply enough energy. Next year could be a off year, allowing the tree to regenerate.

containerman · « **Reply #19 on:** December 19, 2020, 09:25:37 AM »

Brad yours is loaded, how tall is that tree and how old? thanks !

spaugh · « **Reply #20 on:** December 19, 2020, 08:38:43 PM »

That tree is still pretty young 4 or 5 years old. Its about 6ft tall. It will reach a nice mature size in 2-3 more years. It fruit like this every year. I doubt it will take a break next year.

This is my other mandarin, its a dancy mandarin. It also fruits heavily every year.

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Author Topic: Help ID Satsuma mandarin variety (Read 2430 times)