Author Topic: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous (Read 389606 times)

CGameProgrammer · « **Reply #575 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:36:41 AM »

Thanks for your expertise, ASaffron. I would be surprised if I get fruit this year since mine is only a couple of feet high with a 1.5" trunk but we'll see!

greenman62 · « **Reply #576 on:** February 25, 2015, 02:26:42 PM »

I am glad i found this thread.
i was going nuts trying to figure out how to prune the thing.

in late November, it took 27F
the weather report said 34 would be the low,
and i didnt want to try and move it by myself
so, it stayed outside in its container.
.it took some minor leaf damage, but came out like a champ.
Its a Cauliflora from Pine Island Nursery

Last week we got back up in the 70s for a few days
i hadnt given it any ferts at all in 3 months
so i gave it urine 1/10 and some worm tea.
and now it just spurted new growth, i guess i shouldnt be surprised.
its very doubtful it will freeze again this year.
New Orleans almost never gets them after Feb is over.

I am considering getting another.
a dwarf ? a Yellow ? the one that tastes like coffee berry ?

i buy Kona juice, i love the taste, but never had a fresh coffee berry.
i have a couple of Kona seeds i am planting though.

so what to buy next ? I want a 3gal or larger shipped to New Orleans.
something that wont take forever to fruit ?

what are the sun requirements ?
i am running out of full sun spots.

yesterday...

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from last fall

bradflorida · « **Reply #577 on:** February 25, 2015, 03:10:11 PM »

Red jabotiCaba. Precocious and smaller tree

emegar · « **Reply #578 on:** February 25, 2015, 03:35:59 PM »

This may be something posted elsewhere, and I just haven't found it, but do we have a list of myrciarias sorted by relative growth rate? I'm thinking of a ranking from slowest to fastest grower, perhaps with estimated time to fruiting from seed next to those for which that info is known. Seems like this would be a useful reference to have in one place. Thanks!

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #579 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:33:15 PM »

Quote from: emegar on February 25, 2015, 03:35:59 PM

This may be something posted elsewhere, and I just haven't found it, but do we have a list of myrciarias sorted by relative growth rate? I'm thinking of a ranking from slowest to fastest grower, perhaps with estimated time to fruiting from seed next to those for which that info is known. Seems like this would be a useful reference to have in one place. Thanks!

that would be great...but if I took the time to do it right, I would try to make some sort of book...I just haven't had time....maybe someone already has one in the works in Brazil?

fisherking73 · « **Reply #580 on:** February 25, 2015, 05:12:55 PM »

Since I got her at Benders, she dropped a bunch of leaves, guessing from the cold. Still debating on where to plant her or keep her in pot, need to do a bunch more research and questions till I decide as my soil is very alkaline. So either gotta figure out how to bring it down enough to keep her happy. Watering is not a problem as where I plan to plant her has a hose feet away. I noticed today a BUNCH of new growth, and some peeling on the main barks (not sure if that means a good thing or bad thing) What is the expected final container size for a mature Red Jabo and how often does it need to be repotted once mature? At what point would you attack it with the shears to prune it? Wait for this growth to fully flush before nipping branches?

TheDom · « **Reply #581 on:** February 25, 2015, 05:13:43 PM »

How do the reds and Grimal do with things being more alkaline? I have to get a soil and water test done, but I'm pretty sure with as hard as our water is that it is at least somewhat alkaline. Chelated iron and micros aren't a problem, everything here gets foliar micros about monthly and the few that need iron get that every so often if they yellow on me.

gnappi · « **Reply #582 on:** February 25, 2015, 05:34:24 PM »

" but never had a fresh coffee berry"

I have 8 coffee bushes (4 producing coffee) and the pulp between the skin and bean is sweet and mostly tasteless, with a sort of woody undertone. If any fruit was described like that I wouldn't buy it. The bean is IMO inedible and unusable till roasted.

gnappi · « **Reply #583 on:** February 25, 2015, 05:39:45 PM »

Quote from: fisherking73 on February 25, 2015, 05:12:55 PM

Since I got her at Benders, she dropped a bunch of leaves, guessing from the cold. Still debating on where to plant her or keep her in pot, need to do a bunch more research and questions till I decide as my soil is very alkaline. So either gotta figure out how to bring it down enough to keep her happy. Watering is not a problem as where I plan to plant her has a hose feet away. I noticed today a BUNCH of new growth, and some peeling on the main barks (not sure if that means a good thing or bad thing) What is the expected final container size for a mature Red Jabo and how often does it need to be repotted once mature? At what point would you attack it with the shears to prune it? Wait for this growth to fully flush before nipping branches?

I went to Benders recently and bought a pair of smaller bushy blue and red jabos and they did not defoliate (they're in the ground) and I'm ~30 miles north of you. I'm thinking maybe it wasn't the cold but it wanting a re-pot. Have you pulled it from the pot to check the roots?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #584 on:** February 26, 2015, 06:41:08 PM »

Planted one of the two 45 gal Myrciaria truncifloras today!

It only took about 20 minutes...I love central FL soil.

I'll take a pic once I plant the other tree...I still haven't decided where to put it.

From the sea · « **Reply #585 on:** February 26, 2015, 07:33:17 PM »

It would take forever for me to dig a hole that big, and I would need more than a shovel.

fisherking73 · « **Reply #586 on:** February 26, 2015, 09:17:57 PM »

Cool Adam! Gnappi, I will check roots my next day off, it has TONS of growth about to burst, tons of little leaves coming out of the trunks. Wish they were flowers LOL I will plant it after I get some sulfur to help my pH in my soil just a bit. Just my OCD kicking in.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #587 on:** February 27, 2015, 01:59:52 PM »

Pruned one of the white jaboticaba finally.

I have about 4 more I need to prune like this!

it makes a big difference.

Luisport · « **Reply #588 on:** February 27, 2015, 02:01:27 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on February 27, 2015, 01:59:52 PM

Pruned one of the white jaboticaba finally.

I have about 4 more I need to prune like this!

it makes a big difference.

WOW!!!

edself65 · « **Reply #589 on:** February 27, 2015, 02:31:21 PM »

Beautiful plant Adam! My White Jaboticaba is my all time favorite plant!

Quote from: ASaffron on February 27, 2015, 01:59:52 PM

Pruned one of the white jaboticaba finally.

I have about 4 more I need to prune like this!

it makes a big difference.

fisherking73 · « **Reply #590 on:** February 27, 2015, 04:39:07 PM »

So basically prune off any branching branches lol leave the mains from root to tip, everything else comes off? But definetly see the difference in branching (even though mine is small) with your tree and mine. Once my leaves flush I see how opening it up will give much more sunlight to trunks like yours. Would love an after pic once yours is full of fruit!!

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #591 on:** February 27, 2015, 06:45:53 PM »

planted the other trunciflora...this one is further underneath an oak tree, in more shade.

being an understory tree, this plant can produce nice crops in the shade!

also I notice the branches are brittle compared to sabara (grimal, red, white, and others)..so it really hates strong winds, and can easily break.

nullzero · « **Reply #592 on:** February 27, 2015, 06:51:35 PM »

Nice Adam! Jabo forest in the making,

.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #593 on:** February 27, 2015, 10:30:13 PM »

Quote from: nullzero on February 27, 2015, 06:51:35 PM

Nice Adam! Jabo forest in the making, .

haha thanks Nullz....

so far I've got the following trees planted out...

M. jaboticaba (Sabara) 2 trees, almost fruiting size
M. cauliflora (Paulista, grafted onto Sabara) going to plant more seedlings ASAP...I have 3 decent sized specimens ready to plant
M. aureana (grafted onto Sabara)
M. coronata (grafted onto Sabara)
M. sp (Grimal grafted onto Sabara)
M. trunciflora (2 large seedlings, and 2 smaller plants grafted onto Sabara)
M. cauliflora hybrid (red jaboticaba grafted onto Sabara...will probably be the first jaboticaba tree to bear on my property in ground....and I will plant hundreds of seedlings)

still have yet to plant a few other varieties and species...I've been keeping them in the greenhouse until I'm ready...Like Plinia edulis (have about 5 decent sized trees to plant)...

considering planting P. rivularis....

and M. phitrantha....

and a bunch more....

emegar · « **Reply #594 on:** February 27, 2015, 10:33:08 PM »

Adam,

Why are you using Sabara as a rootstock, rather than the Red Jabo? Is it a pH issue?

Quote from: ASaffron on February 27, 2015, 10:30:13 PM

Quote from: nullzero on February 27, 2015, 06:51:35 PM
Nice Adam! Jabo forest in the making, .

haha thanks Nullz....

so far I've got the following trees planted out...

M. jaboticaba (Sabara) 2 trees, almost fruiting size
M. cauliflora (Paulista, grafted onto Sabara) going to plant more seedlings ASAP...I have 3 decent sized specimens ready to plant
M. aureana (grafted onto Sabara)
M. coronata (grafted onto Sabara)
M. sp (Grimal grafted onto Sabara)
M. trunciflora (2 large seedlings, and 2 smaller plants grafted onto Sabara)
M. cauliflora hybrid (red jaboticaba grafted onto Sabara...will probably be the first jaboticaba tree to bear on my property in ground....and I will plant hundreds of seedlings)

still have yet to plant a few other varieties and species...I've been keeping them in the greenhouse until I'm ready...Like Plinia edulis (have about 5 decent sized trees to plant)...

considering planting P. rivularis....

and M. phitrantha....

and a bunch more....

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #595 on:** February 27, 2015, 10:37:42 PM »

in my experience the red jaboticaba suckers too much...I never use it as stock...but maybe you can find a use for it...if you do, please let me know...

also, it doesn't have the same resilience as Sabara...Sabara is more adaptable, and less likely to have nutritional deficiencies....and is more well behaved when it comes to suckering at the base.

(and sabara is slightly more cold tolerant)

Quote from: emegar on February 27, 2015, 10:33:08 PM

Adam,

Why are you using Sabara as a rootstock, rather than the Red Jabo? Is it a pH issue?

Quote from: ASaffron on February 27, 2015, 10:30:13 PM
Quote from: nullzero on February 27, 2015, 06:51:35 PM
Nice Adam! Jabo forest in the making, .

haha thanks Nullz....

so far I've got the following trees planted out...

M. jaboticaba (Sabara) 2 trees, almost fruiting size
M. cauliflora (Paulista, grafted onto Sabara) going to plant more seedlings ASAP...I have 3 decent sized specimens ready to plant
M. aureana (grafted onto Sabara)
M. coronata (grafted onto Sabara)
M. sp (Grimal grafted onto Sabara)
M. trunciflora (2 large seedlings, and 2 smaller plants grafted onto Sabara)
M. cauliflora hybrid (red jaboticaba grafted onto Sabara...will probably be the first jaboticaba tree to bear on my property in ground....and I will plant hundreds of seedlings)

still have yet to plant a few other varieties and species...I've been keeping them in the greenhouse until I'm ready...Like Plinia edulis (have about 5 decent sized trees to plant)...

considering planting P. rivularis....

and M. phitrantha....

and a bunch more....

Central Floridave · « **Reply #596 on:** February 28, 2015, 07:34:57 AM »

2nd flower flush for 2015 for my tree

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #597 on:** February 28, 2015, 12:23:26 PM »

Dave,

nice pics...is your tree in ground, or in a pot?
and is it in mostly shade or mostly sun?
have you pruned it ever?

TheDom · « **Reply #598 on:** February 28, 2015, 05:41:46 PM »

So the addiction continues. On a tip from a friend I picked up these two for $60 each from Driftwood, a local garden supply store and nursery. The one on the R has a trunk a little over 3" (Edit: probably a little under 3") in diameter. It is rootbound something awful though, looks to have been in that same 7gal pot for a while. It's dropping a bunch of its leaves, and unlike the other one I didn't see a bit of fertilizer in the pot.

Any tips on nursing this big guy back to health? I figure I want to get it in either a bigger pot or the ground ASAP, prune back all the scraggly growth, either prune or tease out the roots, and give it some regular and very diluted treatments of fish hydrolysate and of course ample water. Sound good?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #599 on:** March 01, 2015, 12:16:51 AM »

Just prune them up and give them some love...

Be moderate with th fertilizer

Heavy on the water

Low in the pH

Quote from: TheDom on February 28, 2015, 05:41:46 PM

So the addiction continues. On a tip from a friend I picked up these two for $60 each from Driftwood, a local garden supply store and nursery. The one on the R has a trunk a little over 3" (Edit: probably a little under 3") in diameter. It is rootbound something awful though, looks to have been in that same 7gal pot for a while. It's dropping a bunch of its leaves, and unlike the other one I didn't see a bit of fertilizer in the pot.

Any tips on nursing this big guy back to health? I figure I want to get it in either a bigger pot or the ground ASAP, prune back all the scraggly growth, either prune or tease out the roots, and give it some regular and very diluted treatments of fish hydrolysate and of course ample water. Sound good?

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