I'll have to recommend Julie. To me it fits all the qualities from a mango you're looking for. It may not be a top tier like Sweet Tart but on a normal day it's pretty darn good and yummy. No need to tip it for it to develop a "busy" shape and since you're in AZ, the drier conditions should discourage disease. My 9 yr old Julie tree is barely 8 ft tall without any height pruning. 100-150 mangoes per season for the past 4 years.
Ice Cream responds nicely to tipping but its a poor producer in my yard ... Not dwarf like Julie but gets bush and erect ....
The Fairchild is from a hot, moist climate. It grows great for me but I live in a hot, moist climate. Great fruit if it fits.
Might want to see how others near you are doing with these types in your climate
Coconut cream should not be on this list
Coconut cream should not be on this list
Thanks Squam, I removed it from the list.
BTW, which criteria does it violate?
Coconut cream should not be on this list
Thanks Squam, I removed it from the list.
BTW, which criteria does it violate?
Coconut Cream is by no means compact. It is a vigorous grower and the jury is still out on its productivity. Pickering is the most compact of them all. Carrie has a spreading growth habit and is a good producer as well. Julie tastes great but is not the most productive cultivar, at least in south florida. I think one should add dwarf Hawaiian to this list. The one at Truly Tropical is a compact grower and very productive. The taste, in my opinion, is very good as well.
Some others that could be considered based in their growth habits:
Angie
Venus
Iman passand
Jehangir
Alampur baneshan
Neelam (if you like it)
Some others that could be considered based in their growth habits:
Angie
Venus
Iman passand
Jehangir
Alampur baneshan
Neelam (if you like it)
In my yard, at least, Beverly has not been a compact grower. It has grown large, with as much vigor as any I've grown.
Duncan needs to be added to the list also. It responds well to pruning and can be maintained at 8 to 10 feet and is an outstanding producer.
Starch,
You asked about NDM and I didn't see a response. But I believe NDM#4 would make the list.
Here in SoCal
Villa Seņor
Peggy
Leo#2
Are compact slow growers.
My Neelam tree was very compact and slow-growing. I say "was" because I just chopped it down. It's really an awful tasting mango--absolutely the worst I've ever tasted! It's an Indian mango, and there's a reason that it's not a well-regarded mango in India. I don't know why anyone would want to grow it except for maybe plant breeding purposes. My Pickering tree has behaved like a dwarf--in the ground almost 4 years and still only six feet tall. (I love that tree!) Angie and Mallika are both fairly compact.
Here in SoCal
Villa Seņor
Peggy
Leo#2
Are compact slow growers.
NDM -nam doc mai is compact but the mango has straight sweet honey taste. I would plant it only if I have the more complex ones that also have tart component.
I can vouch for Fairchild. Good reliable producer. Can be pruned to keep it small. But it is not as compact as Pickering and Julie. Pickering produces fairly soon after planting. Lots of people like the Pickering fruit. In your situation I would go for one of these:
Julie
Faichild
Pickering
Pina Colada (compact grower) (it is growing slowly for me)
Carrie is a bushy grower but not compact. It is a medium fast grower
NDM -nam doc mai is compact but the mango has straight sweet honey taste. I would plant it only if I have the more complex ones that also have tart component.
I can vouch for Fairchild. Good reliable producer. Can be pruned to keep it small. But it is not as compact as Pickering and Julie. Pickering produces fairly soon after planting. Lots of people like the Pickering fruit. In your situation I would go for one of these:
Julie
Faichild
Pickering
Pina Colada (compact grower) (it is growing slowly for me)
Carrie is a bushy grower but not compact. It is a medium fast grower
zands, thanks for the great info, list is updated!
Mallikas do not have to be picked mature green then allowed to ripen to be best enjoyed. Tree ripened ones taste just as fine. Production and disease resistance is excellent. I'd question Pina Colada. It's production (lack) has been of debate for maybe the past 2-3 years/seasons.
Here is Leo#2 brix25 and Peggy brix 23 on ataulfo grafted last year
These are easy to maintain at 10-12'
Here in SoCal
Villa Seņor
Peggy
Leo#2
Are compact slow growers.
What's the story on those? Where did they originate? How's the quality of the fruit?
Mallikas do not have to be picked mature green then allowed to ripen to be best enjoyed. Tree ripened ones taste just as fine. Production and disease resistance is excellent. I'd question Pina Colada. It's production (lack) has been of debate for maybe the past 2-3 years/seasons.
I think Mallika fruits can be variable like Neelam. Both are Indian mangoes
I remember a poster here said his mallikas tasted like carrots and he was going to axe the tree.
My Pina Colada needs more production confirmation but this year it produced 25 small size fruit with great taste. I await 2016 to see what it can do. By small fruits I mean the size of an 8oz teacup with some a bit larger.
2015 was the first year fruiting for the Pina Colada. The fruits should be larger next year
Mallikas do not have to be picked mature green then allowed to ripen to be best enjoyed. Tree ripened ones taste just as fine. Production and disease resistance is excellent. I'd question Pina Colada. It's production (lack) has been of debate for maybe the past 2-3 years/seasons.
I think Mallika fruits can be variable like Neelam. Both are Indian mangoes
I remember a poster here said his mallikas tasted like carrots and he was going to axe the tree.
My Pina Colada needs more production confirmation but this year it produced 25 small size fruit with great taste. I await 2016 to see what it can do. By small fruits I mean the size of an 8oz teacup with some a bit larger.
2015 was the first year fruiting for the Pina Colada. The fruits should be larger next year
I believe Mallika does have Neelam as a parent. I've grown it before at a former house, and I liked it a lot (picked ripe, not green), but if my current tree produces fruit that tastes like Neelam, I won't keep it. Next year it should have its first crop.
It doesn't get cold where I live--0.7 mile from the beach. Former house--9 miles from the beach.
Here in hot, humid St. Pete, Pickering and Neelam do quite well. Planted both in Jan/Feb of 2013. Both produced (about) 8 mangoes each this year; Pickering's were larger and tastier. Neelam's are smaller and so-so. The Pickering is also the smallest of the trees I have - the top tip is about 4 feet tall now. It is a bit droopy, as someone else mentioned.
So far, it hasn't been that hard to keep the height of my mango trees under control - but then, they're quite young.
I love Pickering - very compact tree yet good vigor, great production, good looking tree with dense dark green foliage and short internodes, AWESOME tasting fruit with great texture, richness, no fiber, etc.
Any mango keeps growing, even Julie, so, as already well-stated at the top of this thread, you want varieties that take well to rather hard pruning and still fruit very well.
Baptiste, from Haiti, does well as a compact bush--- if you like the non-juicy firm texture and odd flavor.
Rosa, from Brazil, does well kept compact. Very strong, distinctive flavor. Try it first.
Florigon does very well when kept compact. Gets huge if you don't prune it yearly. Not a much apreciated flavor.
Duncan, already favorably mentioned, does very well when forced to stay compact. A few persons really like it.
Venus, very late season, grows very leggy--- and then breaks many of its branches with excessive production. I assume hard pruning would help a lot, but I haven't seen it done. At that season its main competitors are Beverly and Keitt, so flavor standard is more lenient.
New variety, available next year:
Cotton Candy, original tree, planted out in the field in the late nineties, and never pruned, is still under 20 feet. It has not been observed grafted onto Turpentine rootstock.
New variety, available next year:
Cotton Candy, original tree, planted out in the field in the late nineties, and never pruned, is still under 20 feet. It has not been observed grafted onto Turpentine rootstock.
MahaChanok fruits very well as a small tree--- almost as precocious as Pickering. I have not seen older trees.
Honey Kiss is precocious and fruits very well as a small tree.
Son Pari and White Pari, both from India, fruit very well as small, compact trees.
Edgar, from Zill, also fruits very well as a small tree.
PIN is recommending the Alampur Baneshan which fits Starch's and my criteria. Have seen a few comments about very small cracks but they seem to come from outdoor growers which suggests to me uneven water either via the gardener, mama nature, or both.
Cogshall seems like a good choice too! Any thoughts on that?
Edgar is a more vigorous grower. Would be tough to keep small/compact.
Boney Kiss shohld be available in a year or so. Very slow grower.
Mahachanok will get larger than Pickering. Pickering will give more fruit as a smaller tree than Mahachanok.
Har - you sure about the Cotton Candy never being pruned throughout its life?
You are way over thinking this. Are you looking for the "perfect " tree (on paper) or a mango that is the right choice for you?
You are way over thinking this. Are you looking for the "perfect " tree (on paper) or a mango that is the right choice for you?
I am just documenting my research. And I am doing it publicly in case this might be useful to anybody else. There is likely no perfect tree for my application, but there looks like there are several good options. Also, I know that I will be doing a bit of 'veering off the path' being in AZ and so the experiences of FL and CA growers won't necessarily apply (CA is probably more applicable though).
For myself, I am narrowing the list down to:
- Carrie
- Julie
- Pickering
- Venus
- Imam Passand
- Mahachanok
But I am continuing to document my research because maybe someone in FL or CA might have slightly different criteria / taste and might make a different decision.
Just collating data as they say :)
There areba few AZ growers on here. Che k with them. Of what is on your list, i would personally eliminate Julie and Imam Pasand. Cotton Candy will be an unknown (it has never been grafted on turpentine rootstock so who knows how it will react and grow) and unless you are going to drive to Florida, and possibly get lucky depending on the number that may be offered cor sale WHOLESALE, you may have to wait at least 2 years for it.
I would add Fairchild to your list and possibly Pina Colada and Providence.
Much thanks for your time and research starch. Folks like me who are research freaks appreciate it albeit a bit confusing prone to initiating a lot of "what ifs". You (and that includes you Rob) are outdoor growers in may be in the "perfect" clime, ya'll have it made. I have 1-3 choice spots in the greenhouse to choose from so even one "aw shit" is too many for me. I'm too damn old and stubborn to be a pioneer with this stuff. :D
Gracias....
Cultivar Information for the master list of compact mango trees (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.0)
Cultivar Name: Cogshall
-- in SoCal but Cogshall is a small compact grower here in my yard. Taste wise it doesn't come close to Pickering but it's a solid producer. I saw a mature Cogshall in USDA Miami this summer under 12'. I would rate it as a solid second tier mango.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg220824#msg220824)
-- Also, I have experienced production issues with Cogshall. It is not nearly as disease resistant as Fairchild.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16073.msg205157#msg205157)
Flavor / Color / Tasting Notes
-- Fruit is colorful (nicknamed the Easter Egg mango by some) but has some similar flaor issues as the Glenn. It ihas a propensity to being mild and having at times a washed out flavor. Texture is soft too, not Carrie "mush" but still softer than I would prefer.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16073.msg205136#msg205136)
-- If I remember correctly, all of my Cogshall colored up when they were ripe even the ones that were in the interior of the tree (just not as fast and not as colorful) as the ones that were getting direct sun. Some other varieties may not color as nice, but all my Cogshall did color up just different intensity...just more colorful on the ones that were on the outside of the tree. To answer your question...
"Will they ripen on the tree? ...Yes, they will ripen on the tree whether they get direct sun or not. You can always try the "feel" test...once they get a little bit of color you can squeeze them gently and if they have some give to them, they should be close to being ripe. Most of mine I waited till they "fell" of the stalk and landed in my wrap. Then I knew they were either ripe or very close to being fully ripe.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1652.msg22707#msg22707)
What a great list! Nice of you to take the time to compile it. I would have loved such a list when I was selecting my trees, I'm sure it will help many new growers in future.Thanks sunworshiper! I am glad to go to the effort. Like you said, it will likely (hopefully) be useful to new growers in the future who might have similar constraints to mine.
I'd add Manilita to the list. There are pics of my tree and fruit here:What a beautiful tree! I will definitely add Manilita to the list, thanks!
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=5816.msg143208;topicseen#msg143208 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=5816.msg143208;topicseen#msg143208)
It is on par with Pickering for size, but more upright in habit. I can easily maintain it productive at 5'. The flavor might not be top tier, but it is my favorite in my yard. Fragrant, colorful, disease resistant, every fruit ripens perfectly, and while not complex, I like the flavor a lot. A perfect cogshalls will beat it in flavor, but this year I had about 50 manilitas and around 30 cogshalls, and due to inconsistent ripening in the cogshalls, I'd say around 3 were superior, the rest were beat out by the Manilita in flavor this year.
I find Cogshall to be highly variable in flavor, quality and production . It moreso than not is more simple milder flavor ahd is prone to being watered in flavor. While the tree is compact, it would be near the bottom of my list, above possibly only Carrie.
What a beautiful tree! I will definitely add Manilita to the list, thanks!
Thomson is another California variety small to medium tree. The fruit is small fiberless and lemony sweet. It's a mid to late season fruit in SoCal October to December
Thomson is another California variety small to medium tree. The fruit is small fiberless and lemony sweet. It's a mid to late season fruit in SoCal October to December
Thomson, Villa Senor, Peggy, Leo#2--I'm very curious about these California varieties. Where were they developed, by whom, and from what parents?
Thomson is another California variety small to medium tree. The fruit is small fiberless and lemony sweet. It's a mid to late season fruit in SoCal October to December
Mallika should not be part of this project. It is in no way a compact tree.
Many mangoes respond well to tip pruning/training but that does not make them a compact tree in any manner. You should limit this thread to true natural compact growers.
Many mangoes respond well to tip pruning/training but that does not make them a compact tree in any manner. You should limit this thread to true natural compact growers.
With all due respect "many mangoes respond well to tip pruning/training" such mangoes should be of interest here because a pruner who has some brains can keep a mango smaller or compact. I am going to guess that upright growers do not fit in this category. I know I am interested.
Venus has a strange growth habit, moderately vigorous, very thick branches, which nevertheless weep like willows with the weight of the fruits, and sometimes break completely off. [In contrast, Keitt wood seems appropriately tough and flexible for its loads of fruit.] I would like to see what happens with some pruning experiments.
Many mangoes respond well to tip pruning/training but that does not make them a compact tree in any manner. You should limit this thread to true natural compact growers.
You should know better. By your thought process, almost every variety would fit into this category less the super vigorous. This is not the case. There are many people with brains but that does not mean they can achieve this goal cause they own a pruner, lopper, hand saw and chain saw.
The title of this thread is "Compact Mango Suggestions ", not what can you achieve with a prunerr and saw.
A lot of bad advice is spread on this forum which people read and think they have become well educated with good and proper advice. I hear people's comments on a regular basis, not here but in person who say they read it here, and they are way off. There is a major difference between asking questions to learn and reading bullshit and learning bad habits.
Mallika should not be part of this project. It is in no way a compact tree.
I'm voting with you. IMO this thread should concentrate only on those trees that naturally tend to have a compact dwarf forum without human intervention. A monkey can use a pair of pruning shears. That's not what this thread is about, or so I thought.
Disagree. It took 10 different explanations and reading comments here about tip pruning before I understood it. Whatever. This thread is not my project.
Zands - you are focusing on very young trees and affecting their infantile and juvenile growth. Come see me in 20+ years and let me know how that tree looks and if you are still tip pruning.
Disagree. It took 10 different explanations and reading comments here about tip pruning before I understood it. Whatever. This thread is not my project.
If I were you I would buy Pickering and keep them in buckets as they grow.. You can move them in and out with your tractor to protect them when they are full size. They stay small and produce a very good fruit, early.
You will get your fruit reward quickest that way, imo.
I am replacing a Pickering with a Pickering I just lost to root girdling. :( PIN just sold out of everything so it will be Feb. Am planning now. I don't want (need) more than 3 mango trees.
This thread is about compact mangoes. Why be a purist? Why be limited to the naturally compact ones? People want more compact mango varieties to choose from. How about the new Zill varieties since 2010? If some of them can be kept compact via intelligent pruning then what's the difference? For space limited members here that only have room for 2-3 mango trees, they will be willing to tip prune and regular prune if it means more choice. That's my thinking. It's not much work to attend to three mango trees that are kept compact anyway.
I wanted to try to compile a list of mangoes with the following characteristics:
- Compact / Natural 'dwarf' (i.e. does not have to be in a container to be dwarfed)
- Bushy and/or spreading style growing habit
- Good producer
- Needs relatively minor pruning to keep size in check which will not adversely affect productivity
- Quality fruit (full flavor, fiberless, etc.)
It is this idea of 'minimal' pruning that interests me.
So what do you think, can Mallika be kept to a reasonable size/height (8-10 feet) with minimal effort? Or will it simply become too unwieldy as it gets older?
Awesome compilation, starch!
Putting together all the observations (some of them contradictory!) about a variety will help others decide whether to venture that way or not. Yes, some mango varieties are naturally compact, others can (hopefully!!) be kept compact with a little more effort. So newbies can at least get their eyes opened a bit more before planting.
Plant and experiment and enjoy. If things get out of hand, chainsaw.
Yeppers.
Did you see the previous page? I posted a fella's 6 year old Mallika that is only 3' tall. After the harvest I removed at least 1/3 of the top of my Mallika and as soon as it starts pushing again I'm hitting it with Bonzi, a PGR.
This is a great conversation with lots of good points. I feel that Genetics plays a big part in a "compact mango" but perhaps there are techniques we can use on our trees to get the desired result while overcoming some obstacles that would otherwise cause one to overlook a cultivar.
For Example, the Ice Cream mango is a wonderful, no Excellent Top Teir Mango but it is very slow growing and may not be very productive. There are reports of it being both a good and bad producer. I know some of you are sick and tired of hearing it but what if Double Stone Grafting could give you a highly productive and more vigorous growing tree that is possibly more disease resistant, use specific rootstock, and grows more compact due to grafting effects( reported from Bernie Dizon in Phillipines).
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16549.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16549.0)
Due to the ultra low nature of Double Stone Grafts, you can theoretically get branching just 6-8 inches from the ground. If you are growing in a large pot, this will give you a compact bushy plant that is elevated off the floor by about 2+ feet allowing for good air circulation in order to avoid disease and to keep the fruit off the ground. A bushy tree will have more growth points which increases the odds of more flowers and fruit. Heavy fruiting will use up much of the trees resources further reducing the growth of the tree.
I will soon be performing several DSGs on Ice Cream and maybe Julie and I will keep everyone updated. I hear the argument against growing great tasting Mango varieties such as Lemon Zest and Sweet Tart because they are too vigorous but I hope you will taste one of these mangos before deciding it may be too much work to prune and keep small while being productive. For me personally, taste is number one.
Simon
Starch, thank you so much for this thread. It has been very educational for me to see what the folks on here have to say on the subject. It has definitely made me think of what type of mango I may try to plant in the ground (only got space for 1 variety so gotta make it count).
Has there been any thought to ranking the list? It would be subjective and difficult to evaluate since everyone's views are different let alone some may not have experience with a number of the varieties on the list. Maybe do a top 3-5 from the list? That would seem interesting. Just a thought.
A very seasoned tropical fruit grower in Texas has pointed out a cultural factor I really need to consider and that is the length of our growing season here in central Texas. This would also apply to a few posting here and growing in greenhouses in "cold" climes, short growing climes if you will, like zone 7-8. So the question for growers in central & S. Florida would be - do your mango trees ever go dormant and if they do, when? Are they still growing Dec.-Feb.? Our growing season is about to wind down. I just topped my Mallika and it remains to be seen if it pushes new foliage, or it will wait until about March of next year to push.
Where I'm going with this is, if it takes me 10 years to get a 12' tree with a "regular" tree such as Kent or Sweet Tart, then why should I focus on a natural compact tree?
No, bigger is not better,
Mark
A table summarizing season and flavor profile would be a great idea!
A table summarizing season and flavor profile would be a great idea!
A table summarizing season and flavor profile would be a great idea!
I would not make flavor profile part of it. Tastes are very subjective and are also subject to proper harvesting, ripening and care which many do not do.
A table summarizing season and flavor profile would be a great idea!
I would not make flavor profile part of it. Tastes are very subjective and are also subject to proper harvesting, ripening and care which many do not do.
I am not thinking like: excellent taste.
But more like "Julie has a Caribbean mango flavor profile with resinous/piney flavors present". Or something like that. So for example if someone really wants a Julie based on the tree size, but has never tried the fruit but they really don't like that flavor profile, then they won't go to all that effort to grow something they won't ultimately like.
Another naturally compact tree, per the appearance of two trees at Zill's, is the 'Rapoza', originally from Hawai'i.
It can be recommended to anyone wanting a compact tree with disease-resistant fruits and very good productivity, with fruit size and color and flavor similar to 'Kent.'
A few dozen trees will be available next year. More can be grafted this year if there seems to be market interest.
Where you sit is what you see.Mallika should not be part of this project. It is in no way a compact tree.
Raghu Rajput over at https://www.facebook.com/groups/TXRFG/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/TXRFG/) may differ with you based on personal experience. For some it is dwarf...... very dwarf. On September 4 we had this discussion at a Facebook Texas Tropical Fruit Grower's group and I contested Raghu's statement that his 6 year old Mallika was only 3' tall. Apparently it bears 5 or so fruits in the 1 lb. + range every year. I don't know what he's doing to maintain it at that height....probably would be a heavy yielder at 8'. Here's the proof:
Mallika is on the far right, Alphonso far left, peach in the center.
(http://s22.postimg.cc/nmnwc56ml/mallika.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/nmnwc56ml/)
Closeup of his Mallika
(http://s10.postimg.cc/twkjl5pv9/mallika_2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/twkjl5pv9/)
He lives in the Houston area which gets plenty of rain and heat.
Just a note to keep the jeers about Texas growers at bay. This Facebook group (which is in no way all inclusive) is well over a thousand strong growing every kind of tropical fruit California and Florida has and perhaps more. Texas is a big state and the coast from Beaumont down to Brownsville offers thousands of opportunities to grow tropical and sub tropical fruits. Then there are the greenhouse growers and very passionate ones like the admin who is north of Austin growing and grafting hundreds of very exotic fruits. The fruit tastings and scion exchanges held often in Houston and Austin are very popular. There is a large Mango Festival near Brownsville every year. Lot's of stuff going on in Texas.
Mark
bsbullie,
The 'Venus' I was describing were about a dozen grafted trees in a field of mangos. The original tree, in the same field, looks more normal and without breakage.
A table summarizing season and flavor profile would be a great idea!
I would not make flavor profile part of it. Tastes are very subjective and are also subject to proper harvesting, ripening and care which many do not do.
I am not thinking like: excellent taste.
But more like "Julie has a Caribbean mango flavor profile with resinous/piney flavors present". Or something like that. So for example if someone really wants a Julie based on the tree size, but has never tried the fruit but they really don't like that flavor profile, then they won't go to all that effort to grow something they won't ultimately like.
Starch, thank you so much for this thread. It has been very educational for me to see what the folks on here have to say on the subject. It has definitely made me think of what type of mango I may try to plant in the ground (only got space for 1 variety so gotta make it count).
Thanks palologrower, absolutely! Glad you find it useful!Has there been any thought to ranking the list? It would be subjective and difficult to evaluate since everyone's views are different let alone some may not have experience with a number of the varieties on the list. Maybe do a top 3-5 from the list? That would seem interesting. Just a thought.
I think that would be interesting, but very subjective. The only cultivar that seems to have (near) universal appeal is Pickering, but there are still some dissenting views. Most every other cultivar has a lot of conflicting views in flavor, growth rate (which I am sure is location, climate, soil and fertilization dependent), etc. It would be hard to find a clear top 3-5.
What I might do instead is make a table of compact mangos listed by season and flavor profile, that way if someone wants to plant a couple of small trees, they would likely want their mangos to extend the season and not overlap. I think that might be a useful addition to this project. What do you think?
Ice Cream responds nicely to tipping but its a poor producer in my yard. 1st year in its 7 gal pot- 3 lemony goodness mangoes. 1st year in ground- 2 mangoes. 2nd and 3rd year in ground- nada :D. Not dwarf like Julie but gets bush and erect. It's 7 ft tall already.
I'm a yes on the sample table. I like that you didn't try to summarize flavor, but just provided a handy index to all the comments available from first hand tasters who have shared opinions. I think that in the variety column it would be great if you could add a ref to the entry you've already created with the full summary for the variety that way it would be really easy to surf to more detail from the table. Nice work!
I am also a yes on the sample table. It will never be perfect but it's much better than what currently exists on the web. At least more than one person's opinion is involved.
This is great work by starch!
Here are my compact Edward & Duncan. Edward has been on the ground 5 years and it's only 6'. I allowed it to hold fruits on its first year pug it the second year to 1.5' it only has 2 flush per year and hold 7-8 mangos per year some huge 2lb monsters. Duncan is still holding 2 fruits it gave me over 50 mangos this year
(http://s15.postimg.cc/ejh1ls2w7/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ejh1ls2w7/)
Starch, many thanks for all your hard work. I love the compilation of flavor comments.
Cultivar | Ripening Season | Flavor Profile |
Alampur baneshan (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg220985#msg220985) | ? | -- Alanpur Baneshsan is a very flavorful mango. The only problem is, the flavor it has isn't a flavor that everyone likes. It is very strong flavored and has a considerable resinous twang. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1747.msg23848#msg23848) -- Alampur Baneshan is a very fragrant and spice mango. I would say that it is a mango for people that like full flavored unusual mangoes. The skin remains mostly green when mature, and the flesh is kind of pale. However, the flesh packs a good punch of smells and flavors. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6513.msg85135#msg85135) |
Amrapali (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg236170#msg236170) | late in the season (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14210.msg179958#msg179958) | -- My one and only runt fruit was picked green and ripened on the counter for a week. Taste was awesome! To me, the taste is right up there with the Alphonso mango. Sorry, didn't take pictures of the cut fruit. Remembered it had deep orange color flesh. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17429.msg220248#msg220248) -- From Julia Morton: "Another new hybrid, 'Amrapali', of which 'Dashehari' was the female parent and 'Neelam' the male, is definitely dwarf, precocious, a regular and heavy bearer, and late in the season. The fruit is only medium in size; flesh is rich orange, fiberless, sweet and 2 to 3 times as high in carotene as either parent."(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14210.msg179958#msg179958) -- Forgot to add this mango the real Amrapali Brix 27 this is one of the sweetest I've had right there with White Chaunsa & Gary but much more complex. Reminds me of the floral taste of seacrest with a slight piney finish. We will propagate this variety next year as well as Jumbo Amrapali. Amrapali is from the same hybrid breeding project Malika came from in India but unlike Malika you don't need to play the guessing game when to harvest it. Top 10 mango(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18066.msg226457#msg226457) -- This year I tasted Amrapali for the first time. The taste was excellent! In taste and texture was like the Alphonso mangos from India that I have enjoyed in the past. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18066.msg226462#msg226462) |
Angie (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg220986#msg220986) | it is the late part of the early season to early part of the mid season. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17015.msg215868#msg215868) | -- There have been numerous tastings that I have been involved with where it has vied for top billing. Unfortunately, it does have some inconsistencies. There have been years where the flavor has been off for some unexplained reason.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17015.msg215858#msg215858) -- the flesh is sweet silky smooth no fiber and a slight papaya undertone/aftertaste. The first year my tree fruited it did not wow me but this year they were great. As I said earlier it does have a resinous taste near the skin and the stem. This is more prominent if eaten too underripe. I am not very fond of the resinous taste but the key to it is to cut the skin away before eating or slicing and it is completely gone. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16319.msg212576#msg212576) -- By "real indian flavor" i mean sweet, with minimal acidity, strong flavor, complex. Alampur baneshan seems to be my number one choiceat the moment.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6513.msg85174#msg85174) |
Baptiste (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221021#msg221021) | ? | -- It has a faint turpentine taste mixed with sweetness and is reasonably fragrant. On its own, it would be a decent mango, fibre free and juicy.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15518.msg213964#msg213964) -- 'Baptiste' is actually not very juicy. Haitians sometimes describe it as a "dry" mango--- one that can be eaten without first taking off one's shirt! It has good, low-fibre texture, and is quite sweet, with an odd spiceyness. If you didn't grow up eating it or hearing that it was grandpa's favorite, don't get one before trying the fruit.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221707#msg221707) |
Carrie (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221025#msg221025) | mid to early-late(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12072.msg154976#msg154976) | -- It is a distinct taset to the flesh and a "piney"/resinous component near the skin that some, or many find off putting. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4111.msg143671#msg143671) -- The carrie goes from creamy (code word for chalky :-), with a great sweet and tart combo to sweet gelatinous sludge with funky odor and foul aftertaste very quickly. The novice mango eater will wait until the carrie is yellow before eating, but that is a mistake. One should consume the carrie at the very first sign of give. (This does not apply to islanders / latinos, as they often prefer to let it ripen to the point of extreme sweetness.) Carrie also tend to have a better flavor and consistency (in my opin) if picked green and allowed to ripen indoors. I very rarely find a tree ripened carrie that I like. It takes some trial and error to get the carrie at the right stage, it does have that strong piney flavor (which is stronger in some years than others), and the flavor can vary from year to year.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=4111.msg143689#msg143689) -- Because I like strong-tasting mangos, 'Carrie''s flavor, and fiber-free texture and thin edible skin win hands-down with me(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=887.msg10959#msg10959) -- Carrie: Finally a break from all those mild tasting FL varieties!! Strong flavor plus piney taste made of of my favorites. Supposedly has very short window for perfection. I tried 5 Carries in various stages, and they were all excellent mangoes. Failed to see all that fuss about window of perfection and hate relationship some people have to this variety. Also refrigerated Carries are simply awesome. Refrigeration actually increases overall appeal with Carrie. It isn't necessarily true with other varieties. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg154433#msg154433) |
Cogshall (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221029#msg221029) | mid (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1840.msg25737#msg25737) | -- It ihas a propensity to being mild and having at times a washed out flavor. Texture is soft too. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16073.msg205136#msg205136) -- All that said tho, the flavor in a perfectly ripened fruit is outstanding, and I've had several so far this season that were perfect. Of my 4 mango varieties, it is my favorite flavor wise. The fruit have a prominent sub-acid component to the flavor, which I like a lot. But if you want an all sweet fruit, that might not be a bonus. The part near the stem especially has a tangyness to it that I like a lot - no resin or turpentine type flavor, not really sure how to describe it. More like concentrated flavor. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16846.msg213842#msg213842) -- The coloration on this mango was green, pink and yellow blended into each other with white spots. The mango weighed 381g and was 5in long. When I cut open the mango it revealed a yellow gold flesh with some watery juice. The flesh was fiberless, soft, and of melting consistency. It had nice flesh to seed ratio with plenty of edible flesh and a monoembryonic seed. The taste was sweet, with a slight tangy-ness and hints of orange juice with a spicy funky finish which I cannot compare nor explain exactly what it was. I thought this had a complex flavor. Next time i get my hands on a few of these i plan to eat them at different stages of ripeness to see how or if the flavor profile changes much, think that would be interesting.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg86940#msg86940) |
Cotton Candy (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221042#msg221042) | late (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221656#msg221656) | -- If you like high acidic levels in your mango read no further. At first bite you taste a the flavor of a firm but tamed down Gary (no distinct pina colada flavor) and then all hell breaks loose and here comes the flavor of, yes, I am not kidding, the flavor of cotton c andy on through the finish. I have eaten a few of these and the flavor profile is consistent. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg215124#msg215124) -- This thing is sweet. Sickly sweet. Perhaps some alternate names could have been Sucre. Or The Amputator. A good looking mango with subtle yellow pink outside, also decent mid sized fruit. Inside is yellow and, again, mine had slightly gone past its prime. But in this case, it didn't matter. First impression were, aroma was positive. Second thing, it struck me as being very similar in flavour profile go Coconut Cream - excellent. The knock out punch though is the after taste. It seemed the closer to th seed I got, the sweeter the mango got. It is like a mix of Brahm Kai Mea and coconut cream. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15518.msg216171#msg216171) |
Duncan (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221047#msg221047) | early to late (Extended Harvest. Always wait for color break before picking). (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221657#msg221657) | -- Duncan's flavor to me is like a sort of 'milder' Edward, with some other delicate notes it probably inherited from the Pico cross.. It is quite good. I would not place it in the level of Cushman or Dot strictly in terms of flavor but it certainly ranks well. The best quality of Duncan is the sum of all its qualities really;(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=760.msg9029#msg9029) -- this is a fiberless, orange fleshed fruit with nice flavor(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=760.msg9035#msg9035) -- Duncan: Most people consider this anywhere from good to excellent. I had the same opinion. I changed my mind when Alex (squam256) picked the most perfect fruits out of big pile of Duncans. I peeled them like potatoes (this method eliminates any chances of bitter skin), cut off the slice and wow! The most perfect Duncan of my life. I felt like it was right up there with all premier varieties. Something irresistible about that mellow delicate taste working with few tones in the background. And I'm not even a fan of mild tasting mangoes mind you! I felt like a fool for never requesting Duncan budwood. Another factor to overall appeal is silky smooth texture. Different from all mangoes. Even some gelatinous tones, although not the same gelatinous as NDM. Again fruit must be perfect and almost overripe for me in order to compete with other premier varieties.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg154433#msg154433) |
Dwarf Hawaiian (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221127#msg221127) | very early and mid (almost always two harvests, or more); (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221657#msg221657) | -- I only had a timely one and it had that tang like sizzle to it, sort of like carbonated water - but sweet and aromatic. The flesh looks stringy but was fine to me. This is a good mango.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15518.msg197871;topicseen#msg197871) -- Dwarf Hawaiian continues to please. What they lack in size, they make up for in earlyness and zippy sweetness. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15518.msg198059;topicseen#msg198059) -- Dwarf Hawaiian was certainly the best of the early mangoes. Even slightly over ripe it tasted fine.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15518.msg199369;topicseen#msg199369) -- It tastes like a cross between 'Julie' and 'Kent', and those are its probable parents. Though I don't care for 'Julie', I do like the flavor of 'Dwarf Hawai'ian' pulp very much, and also the flavor of its skin--- together they are very sweet and spicey.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221706#msg221706) |
Edgar (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221129#msg221129) | long harvest, mainly mid-season, with some early and late (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221706#msg221706) | -- Finished eating the rest of the Edgar and wow, it's SO GOOD :D Nice size and the flavor is very sweet, smooth, well-rounded and just wonderful. It's been my #2 most delicious mango eating experience of this summer so far, just below the Maha Chanok.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg213000;topicseen#msg213000) -- My first reaction to tasting this Edgar (Edward x Gary) from Walter Zill's in Boynton Beach, FL, was the same as Borat's: "Wowwah weeeewah! Very nice, I like." I cut it when it was still fairly firm. It has the sweetness of a popsicle, the smoothness of an Edward, its creamy as a Candy Corn, and there's a laid back tropical flavor mystique that is delightful. Eating close to the skin there is a beautiful, subdued resinous finish. I would rate this mango as "Excellent" and say that it is truly delicious and high grade. It did not blow my mind in the way in the way I associate with an outstanding mango, but this one is close. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg212967;topicseen#msg212967) -- I thought my 2 remaining Edgars would have been very overripe at the time of the sampling but there were not. The black spots on the exterior barely penetrated through the skin and into the flesh. Sweet, fiberless, deep orange flesh. I felt they tasted much better than the Edgars I sampled earlier last week. And considering how they held up well since purchasing ripe 8 days, maybe some commercial growing potential here (?) with this cv. Very enjoyable.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg210655;topicseen#msg210655) -- Edward x Gary = Edgar. This mango was mostly yellow with some olive green towards the bottom and starting to brown on top. This mango was 4in long and weighed 355g. When I cut the mango open it produced a bright yellow-orange flesh and leaked some thin juice. The flesh was fiberless soft and juicy. There was an alright amount of flesh to eat that surrounded a monoembryonic seed. The taste was like canned peaches with an added tangy finish and a resinous taste near the peel.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg90025;topicseen#msg90025) -- Edgar - this was said to be the "brother" of Coconut Cream... a supposed Edward Gary cross = EdGar. A nice mid-size mango with a beautiful pink blush... and a complex, almost "royal" flavor. The tasted reminded me of some mangoes I had in India... but toned down and smoother, more 'Western'. I knew it was really good because I ate such tiny bites, not looking forward to it being gone. Later, I sliced off the second half and drove to the beach... waded out into the water as the sun set... and slowly nibbled the orange flesh off the skin while looking up at sky. I sadly dropped the peel in the Atlantic ocean, walked back to my car and drove home thinking about finding more mangoes of the same quality. A(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg83917;topicseen#msg83917) |
Fairchild (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221130#msg221130) | ? (based on mango reviews it seems like a mid-season ripener?) | -- I really like Fairchild. It does have a strong "muskiness" similar to Indian mangoes which is probably why I like it.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16073.msg205136;topicseen#msg205136) -- Grass flats, the Fairchild is a very good mango, but I didn't find it to be complex or spicy. It had kind of concentrated mango flavor (good thing), but I didn't detect other flavors in it. But it was up against some stiff competition on the complexity scale! I've never had Carrie, so can't comment on that. I have decided on Maha for my yard. I considered Fairchild - liked it, but the spread out fruiting season and its unique flavor of the Maha made it the winner. I'm going to topwork the Angie. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg215176;topicseen#msg215176) -- Fairchild - smelled a bit like celery on the outside, but none of that carried into the fruit flesh. It was a very good mango. No special flavors - just mango. Good sweet tart balance, with the tip being sweet and the stem end having a pleasant tartness. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg215045;topicseen#msg215045) |
Florigon (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221131#msg221131) | early.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=829.msg10305#msg10305) | -- Our early Florigons were washed out. The later ones were quite good, sweet with a citrus-hint. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16992.msg217083;topicseen#msg217083) -- Later that weekend, I tried a bunch more mangos and one was Florigon, and I agree that is a middling good but not superior mango flavor. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1911.msg26664#msg26664) -- This florigon was 4in long and weighed 394g, it was a flat orange color with black freckling and a large anthracnose streak. This was another mango which had an oily feel to the outside skin. When I cut open the mango it revealed a deep orange color with hardly any excess juice. The juice that was present adhered to the flesh and was a syrupy consistency. The flesh was smooth with a consistency somewhere between gelatinous and creamy completely absent of fiber. The sugar content seemed mild and the taste seemed like mild honeydew melon. Overall I thought the flesh was of desert quality but it was not really sweet and lacked any distinct flavor characteristics, maybe this was watered down? Worthy of a second try.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg86564;topicseen#msg86564) |
Honey Kiss (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221132#msg221132) | late (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=9862.msg126129#msg126129) | -- Just got back from Walter Zill's in Boynton and I ate a ripe Honey Kiss drop with my lunch. It was smaller than a fist and what I consider the ideal size for one person. This mango is juicy, it has nice melts-in-your-mouth flesh texture with no fiber I recall. It tastes sweet and mellow, like a honeydew melon and beneath the skin has just a hint of the Lemon Zest / Orange Sherbet flavors. Very smooth taste - I did not encounter one funky, tart, resiny, stringy, spicy, or bitter aspect in it. I would rate it as "excellent" and put it in the mild & sweet corner of the tasting table. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg212674;topicseen#msg212674) -- This mango I have no information on and eventually I'll call over to get some more info on it. This mango was a yellowing green with a small amount of light red blush at the top and felt soft and ready to eat. It was 3.5in long and weighed 238g. When I cut the top off it revealed a pale orange flesh with very little juice adhering to the flesh. The flesh was firm and fiberless with a few long strings noticeable on flesh direct on the peel. There was not a large amount of flesh to eat as this was a smaller sized mango with a big (what seems to be) polyembrionic seed. The taste was mildly sweet and slightly tangy with a peachy nuance and no resinous taste. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg90006;topicseen#msg90006) -- The ones I tired early last year were a little washed out but the late seasons were excellent.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=9862.msg126129#msg126129) -- Again, it can be picked mature green but will ripen much better and with peak flavor is left on the tree until it begins to or heavily obtains its yellow/golden base color. When its allowed to color up on the tree, the texture and flavor will be amazing and a distinct honey taste is present. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=9862.msg126230#msg126230) |
Imam Passand (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221151#msg221151) | ? | -- ‘Imam Pasand’ is one of the best mangos of India, ideally suited for dessert, the table and show. The fruit weigh 16 oz or more and are a beautiful smooth oval at maturity. The skin is a dark green, with distinct white highlights over the entire surface. Upon ripening the fruit can attain a deep yellow blush the shoulders and mid-section. The tree has a trailing growth habit and is easily controlled by annual pruning. The properly pruned tree will have a full, spreading canopy of 8 to 10 ft in height and spread. During the fruiting season of June and July, ‘Imam Pasand’ hangs heavy with consistent production. The fruit should be harvested mature green and ripened off the tree at a temperature of 75° to 85° F. Harvesting should occur 2 to 4 weeks before ripening on the tree for the development of the best quality. Properly harvested and ripened fruit have a fiberless, silky flesh with a deep, sweet flavor and distinct citrus overtones. The tree and fruit are tolerant of diseases and require little in the way of special care.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14457.msg183409#msg183409) -- It is a large, not too attractive looking mango, mottled green that lightens to blotched yellow-green as it ripens. It has a hard stone which you can hear rattle inside . The flesh is a light yellow that looks unripe, and in fact, when you first bite in, there's a sourness that makes you think you've made a mistake. But the flesh is ripely smooth, with little stringiness, and then you realise the sourness is really a citrusy tang that adds a zest to the sweetness that spills over your palate. A friend's father who grew up near Tiruchirapalli tells me that he's heard the Imam Pasand was a cross between a Banganapalli and a Mulgoa. I don't know if this is scientifically accurate, but in taste terms it makes sense. It has the heft of a Banganapalli, the biggest mango of any quality, and its light yellow flesh, but where that tends towards sweet insipidity, with a chalky undertaste, a Mulgoa-like acid bite rescues it, adding lively interest. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14457.msg183431#msg183431) |
Jehangir (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221152#msg221152) | ? | -- I believe I tried it at Smather's place (Four Fillies farm) years ago. I think Crafton said it was introduced to Florida by Frank Smathers. It was green skinned and almost white fleshed and wasn't very good. Had some resinous flavor and not overly sweet. It didn't have fiber but the flesh was firm. It was totally green on the outside. Now that I look at the Fairchild book, it is rated Fair to Good (on the Excellent, Good, Fair, Poor scale). That's the same as Tommy Atkins. I don't rememer the tree as being any different in size than the rest of the trees there. But, I am sure they were all well pruned. I think "exceptional quality" might not apply to this cultivar. Of course, the fruit I had might have been an aberation, but Crafton didn;t say that it was when we tried it.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1044.msg13089#msg13089) -- Didn't get a chance to ask Richard but I was told it was white fleshed. From Harry's description of it being resinous and you mentioning it's dwarf, it sounds like an excellent tree. I like the stronger 'spicy' flavored mangos and I think a white fleshed one would be cool to have. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1044.msg13107#msg13107) |
Julie (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221153#msg221153) | mid (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221656#msg221656) | -- Yep, that denser flesh is what I would call 'creamy'. There is an offspring of the Julie called a Gary which has even denser/creamier flesh. The Gary was used as the natural pollinator for many of the new Zill mango releases. Personally I much prefer a creamy mango over one that's 'watery'. That's why I'm going so berzerk over all the new Zill releases!(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2142.msg29450#msg29450) -- It has a complex, fruity-resinous flavor profile that I'd place in the Caribbean (e.g., Julie/Graham/Bombay) corner of the tasting table.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg210840;topicseen#msg210840) |
Leo #2 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221154#msg221154) | ? | -- The Leo #2 smells absolutely amazing and it has great color with yellow as the base and a sunset red blush. There are lenticels, otherwise this fruit can be as beautiful as a Maha Chanok ripened in the sun. The Leo #2 is an excellent tasting fruit with high Brix the last time I tested it. These fruit are not ripe yet but I'll get a Brix reading on them when they ripen up. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=13514.msg171283#msg171283) -- I just cut open the Leo#2 and it was soooo sweet. It had a Brix of 21.5% but tasted even sweeter because it lacked a bit of acidity to balance out the sweetness. Both my daughters and my wife loved. I liked it very much but wish it had a bit more acid. This fruit has a small amount of fibers, mostly concentrated around the seed. The flavor is hard to pin but to my palate had hints of Edward with a bit of Vanilla on the back end. Overall a great mango. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=13514.msg171409#msg171409) |
Mahachanok (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221155#msg221155) | extended (mid-early to late)(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg215115;topicseen#msg215115) | -- Hi Clay, I'm really bad at describing mango flavors and taste...but here goes...its very sweet, no fiber till you get very close to the seed. The flavor is slightly stronger than my Glenn but not over powering. I prefer it over my Cogshall and I really like Cogshall...it has a little spicy overtones to it...not strong though. All I know is I really enjoy the taste and so does my husband. I too like the shape, very different than the mango varieties I have. These first (4) mangoes from this tree is small...I'm hoping the sizes will be larger next year since I planted it inground...depending on what type of winter we have. Thanks...Good luck to us all this winter that gets the occasional freeze...hope its not a bad one :-\ Hi Obet, for me at least when I say a little 'spicy' overtones I definitely do not mean resinous or turpentine...I do not like the flavor of Carrie ( and its due to this "off" herb, medicial flavor and I'm not a fan of it) so when I say it has a little spice what I mean is its not bland or just sugary sweet, it has some nice mild spice (think of a hint of say cinammon,lol)...it has a very nice flavor that I like (very pleasant tasting). I have come to the conclusion I do not like strong and overly spicy...herb, medicinal overtones in mango...just prefer the regular sweet, fiberless mango with a good overall nice flavor with that tropical flavors you get...anything very strong I'm not big fan of...(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12031.msg160731#msg160731) -- Maha Chanok - has the most complex and elegant flavor, more subtle than a Sweet Tart(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16992.msg215433;topicseen#msg215433) -- the Maha Chanok...well the Angie has just had its death sentence I think! I let my husband have the first taste, and he made a hilarious face and proclaimed "holy moly that's the sweetest mango I've ever tasted! Starts kind of coconutty and tart and then explodes with sweetness!" - I was most amused watching him. What did I think? One of the best mangos I've ever had! Very complex flavor, incredible sweetness near the skin, a good balance of sweet and subacid, flesh was firm and smooth with no fiber or mushiness - just outstanding! Not sure I taste cola syrup exactly, but do understand the comparison. There was absolutely no resinous or bitter flavor. I thought the cut skin had a slightly piney scent, but there was no pine in the flavor. There is a distinctive scent to the fruit overall not unpleasant, fruity with a hint of earthiness, hard to pin down, and mostly stood out to me as smelling different than it tasted. Here's a pic of the fruit(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16712.msg213980;topicseen#msg213980) |
Manilita (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221194#msg221194) | early (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16028.msg203911#msg203911) | -- I just tasted my first home grown fruit and I was pleasantly surprised. It had a very nice flavor and I was really expecting much less based upon other reviews here on the forum. Is this a blue ribbon winner, a taste sensation? No....its not, but is very respectable in overall eating experience, and for those that want an early, smaller, colorful skinned fruit that has a very manageable growth habit, this mango is worth the effort, in my humble opinion.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16028.msg203911#msg203911) -- The flavor might not be top tier, but it is my favorite in my yard. Fragrant, colorful, disease resistant, every fruit ripens perfectly, and while not complex, I like the flavor a lot. A perfect cogshalls will beat it in flavor, but this year I had about 50 manilitas and around 30 cogshalls, and due to inconsistent ripening in the cogshalls, I'd say around 3 were superior, the rest were beat out by the Manilita in flavor this year.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221117#msg221117) -- My Manilita may be plain flavor wise, but it is a joy in the garden. Every fruit ripens unblemished and perfect, no uneven ripening, and it requires no spraying. Very easy tree. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16712.msg211908#msg211908) -- The flavor was in my opinion not top tier - not as good as an Edward. But it was quite a bit better than a store bought Honey mango. It is in the same flavor category, sweet and tart, but it has a richer flavor and is distinctly coconutty. It has a bit of pine flavor, but not so much as to be unpleasant. When I bought the tree, nobody had any comments on its flavor, but I purchased it because it is one of the smallest dwarfs and can be maintained very narrow. As you can see, the tree is staying quite small. Since I like Honey mangos, I'm quite pleased. My only complaint about it is that it seems prone to fruit split. It set really well - 20 to 30 fruit, most of which grew to the size of small plums. But with all those rains we got a month ago, all but 4 fruit split=( But it ripens early, so many years it will be before we start the summer rains. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=5816.msg77899#msg77899) |
Cultivar | Ripening Season | Flavor Profile |
Nam Doc Mai #4 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221195#msg221195) | mid (there are some people who have gotten it to produce in the off season) (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=829.msg10190#msg10190) | -- NDM -nam doc mai is compact but the mango has straight sweet honey taste. I would plant it only if I have the more complex ones that also have tart component. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg220431;topicseen#msg220431) -- NDM is just kind of a plain sweet mango. No complexity. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16073.msg204428#msg204428) -- NDM is a delicious and adding an asian mango , if you dont have one, may be the thing to do. Im not sure why NDM isnt a firat choice other than splitting issues, which may not be a problem in your area (my neighbors tree hasnt had a problem )(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16073.msg207195#msg207195) -- NDM is a "basic" sweet mango. Good for someone who is just looking for that however if you are looking for something more in terms of complexity from an Asian/Thai, look towards a Mahachanok. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16073.msg207198#msg207198) |
Neelam (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221197#msg221197) | late (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16981.msg215258#msg215258) | -- I nominate Neelam for the worst-tasting mango. I've heard its off-flavor described as "carrot." I'd call it "just plain nasty." This was another mango where I fell for the Richard Campbell hype without tasting it. Maybe if you had 50 mango trees, you could include Neelam, but if you only have four trees like me, you definitely don't want Neelam. I don't care that it's a late-season mango--I'm chopping mine down!(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16981.msg215258#msg215258) -- I've never tasted carrot it in. More like smooth, light, spicy sweet with a lil bit of tang. But hey, to each their own :). For other reasons it quickly fell out of favor with me (small fruit, large seed, seed germinating in ripening mangoes on the tree!!!!)(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16981.msg215262#msg215262) -- lol. This is how I felt about mallika...Just nasty--don't even want to try another one--just not for me. The neelam had what I describe as a vegetably taste....I almost said I liked them...then the aftertaste hit me, and I took neelam of the list. I have been called crazy, but I also detect this aftertaste in cushman. To each his own, but tasting is so important....especially with trees RC has recommended(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16981.msg215328#msg215328) -- 'Neelam' is appreciated by those who want SOUR GREEN MANGOS FOR PICKLES, well into late season.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221708#msg221708) |
Peggy (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221198#msg221198) | late(?) (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17319.msg219417#msg219417) | -- Peggy brix 23 on ataulfo grafted last year(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?board=1.0) -- It seems I had spoken too soon regarding Peggy not having rich flavor. The 2nd of those two mangoes sat out a week longer, without any sign of breaking down, tasted fantastic. It was sweeter and whatever acidity the 1st fruit had was not detected at all in this mango. I dare to venture a turf war in say this mango is better than Pickering ;D Absolutely worth growing for SoCal, don't know if it's proven elsewhere.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3188.msg45733;topicseen#msg45733) -- Jim told me that Peggy's is called Ultimate, or something like that, because there is another variety in Florida by the same last name of Winter(20222). The Early Gold we had was a chance seedling of that variety from Captain Bucklew. I will call Jim and confirm. I think both of those mangos are excellent. Like I said, I don't know why they havent been propagated....they are superior mangos in the same category as Dot or Fairchild.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3188.msg45135;topicseen#msg45135) -- Of the mangoes sampled that day, many of us agreed Peggy was clearly the breadwinner. Not as rich compared to others I've had, but outstanding flavor nonetheless. Very sweet with a light sub-acid balance that sits just right, very juicy flavor - does that make any sense? Monoembryonic seed, Firm flesh, Fiberless, Sweet & nice aroma even before cut open(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3188.msg44951;topicseen#msg44951) |
Pickering (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221199#msg221199) | early (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16027.msg203908#msg203908) | -- Not an eye catching or pretty mango. Would not sell well due to the color alone. Taste-wise, this is the best mango I have eaten this year. The flesh is firm and has an outstanding coconut-pineapple flavor. Reminds me a bit of a good Julie mango but this is much better. How did I wait so many years to grow this? (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2005.msg27523#msg27523) -- Noel - have you noticed if you let the Pickering stay on the tree longer than normal and become fully ripe that it loses that pineapple (or hint of tartness) and takes on a stronger coconut (or "tropical") nuance/flavor ?(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2005.msg27527#msg27527) -- I picked this one when it was still hard as a rock and it had more coconut flavor with a slight pineapple nuance. I picked one today that was a bit soft so I will let you know if there is any difference. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2005.msg27528#msg27528) -- The Good: The first was properly ripened Pickering and was one of the best mangoes I have had so far this year. It was sweet and creamy...it was very good. The competition included: Coconut Cream, Edward, Glenn, and Mahachanok (knocked off of the tree by my dog prematurely and counter ripened, not a fair test). I may be eating my CC under ripe.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16027.msg203908#msg203908) -- MANGO VARIETY PICKERING, By Walter Zill, "Beginning as a chance seedling sprouting in the grove planted by Laurence Zill in Boynton Beach, FL, it first caught my attention about 1980 when I saw about a half dozen fruit being supported by an unusually small plant having a trunk diameter of about one inch, with at total height about four feet, and numerous branches that bore small fruit. The fruit were not impressive in any other way other than exisitng in abundance on such a tiny first fruiting seedling. They turned bright yellow when ripe, and were suprisingly firm. The flavor tasted to me somewhat like Carrie or Julie, and the growth habit known as Sophie Frey. Animal habits being what they are, I surmise that a seed got transplanted some few feet west of a large fruiting Carrie tree where it germinated in the undercover beneath the limbs of an Irwin tree. In 1983 a severe freeze caused great damage in the grove, killing back some mango limbs that were up to three inches in diameter, and resulting in nearly every mango leaf on the premises turning brown. That exception, finding green leaves on that little seedling, caught my undivided attention. I thought perhaps the plant had more resistance to cold than other mango varieties, but subsequnet seasons have shown damage much like other mangos when the temperature dips below freezing. Eventually the seedling was transplanted to where it could demonstrate it qualities. It grew compactly and fruited heavily, fruit clinging fairly well on the tree when ripe, with little bruising when they dropped. When the tree grew larger, and in a season when fewer fruit set, the fruit weighed up to about two pounds, though average normal season weight is near one pound. There came a time when Dr. Wayne Pickering inquired of me about having a mango named for him. Since that variety had proven of sufficient worth to merit a good name, I sent a box of fruit from it to him to get his reaction. When they ripened, and he had fairly sampled them, his response was, "That's my baby!". So the name "Pickering" stuck. When fully ripe it's among the sweetest mangos, with a texture sutable for slicing and dicing, and it's fine fibers providing desrable bulk. As trees were multiplied and put into commercial plantings, it has provem very productive from compact trees. Many who have become familiar with eating the "Pickering" often specify it for the eating qualities they like. It matures relatively early in mango season."(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15518.msg207100#msg207100) |
Pina Colada (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221200#msg221200) | ? | -- I've only tasted 6-8 Pina Colada mangos over the last few years. Last week I ate two, one of which was a bit tart for my taste. The other was possibly the finest damn thing I have ever tasted. I would compare it to mango candy, except that no candy could be that good. I wonder if Patrick's care regimen was as successful with his Pina Colada as it was with Lemon Zest.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11897.msg154394#msg154394) -- It can be very good if left to ripen to the proper stage prior to harvest. Would I rank it in the tops, don't think so. Texture is very soft. Picked to early, it is very chalky and will not have the proper flavor profile it should have. If space is limited and a factor, I would think hard about planting one. If space is more on the unlimited side, then stick one in the ground. As for small mango and big seed, I am also not in the boat. Its all about the quality first. Sweet Tart is smaller in size with an obnoxious seed but I will highly recommend it because of its flavor. I would rather eat two amazing mangoes than one average mango just based on flesh to seed ratio.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=11897.msg178997#msg178997) -- I ate my first Pina Colada fruit yesterday. It was a bit tart similar to Sweet and tart mango. Did not taste like a pina colada cocktail. My tree is slow growing about 5.5 ft tall and the fruits are small. I give it a high rating but its is based on just one fruit.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16302.msg207474#msg207474) |
Providence (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221201#msg221201) | late (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=9859.msg126110#msg126110) | -- The providence I had from Walter's last summer was outstanding! Huge fruit, and it ripened evenly--a good tart/sweet ratio, and good fiberless texture IIRC. Ordered a tree shortly thereafter. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14164.msg179529#msg179529) -- To me Providence blows firchild away in terms of flavor, but I love a mango that has a tart component to balance the sweet. It is also a much bigger mango than fairchild. The one I had from walter's last summer was big enough to eat for a few days. Very tasty!(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14164.msg179366#msg179366) -- Does it taste better, that is subjective. Both are very good to excellent however two totally different profiles. Fairchild is an overall very sweet mango with very little to no level of "tartness"/acidity while Providence has a great balance between sweet and acid. The longer Providence is left on the tree the more sweetness it takes on. It can also be eaten green.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14164.msg179388#msg179388) -- Providence is a large mango, similar in size to a large Keitt. It can be picked mature green or with some color, tastes best when picked with some color however it may have some issues if left on the tree too long. Flavor, to me, is like a perfectly ripe Kent crossed with a perfectly ripe Keitt.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=9859.msg126217#msg126217) |
Rapoza (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221463#msg221463) | late (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=909.msg11203#msg11203) | -- fruit size and color and flavor similar to 'Kent.'(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221444;topicseen#msg221444) -- If what I hear is correct, the Florida red is the Hawaiian rapoza. That said, when Robert is here unloaded a bunch of Florida reds last late June, my wife thought they were some of the best mangos she's ever tasted. I'd agree that they were a top 5 for me that year. My rapoza is about to fruit this year for the first time. bloomed twice and is a vigorous grower. No disease problems yet. Wish I could tell you more.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10527.msg134885#msg134885) -- If you compare ratings for Florida Red versus ratings for Rapoza, you will see that Florida Red will get much higher ratings in Florida, even on this forum. Never mind that they are both the same mango. ::) What does this tell you about influence of preconceived ideas in ratings? ;) Rapoza does very well here in super rainy east Hawaii. It has great feature of continued flowering until it finally hits a bit of a dry spell, then you get a very good flower set. It has a lot of good qualities going for it: good coloration, good production, good sized, disease resistance, and ofcourse great taste. I'm sure it could be improved upon....but then again what fruit can't? It is a seedling and improved version of Irwin, so if you don't like Irwin you may not like it? I don't know i haven't tried Irwin yet.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10527.msg134891#msg134891) -- Nothing bad about either however not my favorite. Irwin had more of an almost generic mango taste like that of a really good Haden (not saying it tasted like a Haden but of just a classic mango flavor). The Rapoza I have had have had a more distinctive flavor like that of a more intense Irwin with a citrusy component. Again, both were good but not what I would call my favorite. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10527.msg135093#msg135093) -- Rapoza = ultra fibreless! even the seed has no clinging fibres.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10527.msg139554#msg139554) -- At the Broward RFVC meeting, Eric from Pine Island spoke about rapoza. He said they have been grown in Homestead for the last 20 years, marketed as Redland Reds. He rated them a 10 in taste. I bought a rapoza at the Fairchild mango festival last year. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=5371.msg73990#msg73990) |
Rosa (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221203#msg221203) | very early and early (sometimes into mid--- extended harvest); (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221657#msg221657) | -- ROSA MANGO, also called ROSA OF BAHIA or ROSA OF PERNAMBUCO! Is a traditional Brazilian variety, very early cultivar and is harvested before Tommy Atkins, Very good flavor and aroma. It is totally resistant to Fusarium (malformation).(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1004.msg12451#msg12451) -- I like 'Rosa' a lot, because I grew up eating it in northern Brazil, and because I like really strong-tasting mangos.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=887.msg10959;topicseen#msg10959) -- Never had, nor even heard of Pope or Excel. I did have a chance to taste (thanks to Murahilin) the Rosa, Tess and Hawaiian Dwarf. Since these were the first mangoes of the season, not purchased from the store, they enjoy the glow of that status and get some additional points for being so early. Kinda like my uncle who always said I was his favorite (but really only) nephew. All of these mangoes fall into the category, for me, as great, when there are no other mangoes around, but would never even be given a thought during the regular mango season. My least favorite was Hawaiian Dwarf. It was small and somewhat firm and predominantly green on the outside. I wondered if it was even ripe from its exterior feeling and look. However, inside it was clear that it was ripe. It had been refrigerated. So that could have affected its overall eating quality. I liked the other two more, but neither had any really superlative qualities. I did try eating the skin with the Rosa as was suggested. That did impart a small amount of resinous twang that Har inidcates that he refers in his mangoes. For me, the skin is a bit too tough to really give me any enjoyment in the eating of the otherwise softer, succulent mango flesh. I will not be making a habit of eating the skin on this or any other mango in all probability. But, as Har indicated, there is no biterness in the Rosa skin....which I will be taking his word is different than what you get when you eat the skin of other mangoes. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=887.msg12164;topicseen#msg12164) -- 'Rosa' is very firm, moderately fibrous, sweet-tart and very resinous if you eat the skin with the pulp--- delicious, with none of the bitterness found in the skins of most other varieties.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=887.msg11321;topicseen#msg11321) -- Rosa is similar to Palmer mango in taste!(My opinion) (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=887.msg11023;topicseen#msg11023) |
Rosigold (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221215#msg221215) | very-early to early (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg95288;topicseen#msg95288) | -- I've eaten a couple Rosigolds this month. The first, very ripe, was just sweet enough to justify eating the whole fruit. The second, just barely ripe, did taste pretty good, nice blend of sweet and tart. Maybe not quite as "mangoey" as I'd prefer.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=612.msg114942#msg114942) -- Then was a first season Rosigold. Nice strong flavor (we have had almost no rain on the east coast of florida this summer), but a little disappointing. I did not think it was very sweet. Maybe the ones later will be better.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15633.msg210608#msg210608) -- I have only tried one early rosigold, and found it good, but not great--kinda rubbery and not complex. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=9681.msg138617#msg138617) -- During June or July your right Rosigold would be just a decent mango, nothing to write home about...But in April, its an excellent mango thats far better then anything else available. I had my first one of the season yesterday and it was outstanding. It certainly gets bonus points for fruiting in April when its the only mango. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1045.msg13347#msg13347) |
Rudiett (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg236459#msg236459) | late | -- Rudiett is excellent just had a two pounder ( brix20) delicious :) (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18899.msg235449#msg235449) -- Rudiett (20 brix) a Keitt seedling. It's a late mango, October to March, totally fiberless, firm and fruity....the fruit punch of the West coast.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18899.msg235535#msg235535) |
Son Pari (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221216#msg221216) | mid and late (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221656#msg221656) | -- Son Pari is medium large, yellow outside and orangey inside. This mango has a good turpentine like flavour but is not as rich as a Bombay or other Indian mangoes. I enjoyed it and certainly had a sharp contrast to Autumn.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15518.msg213774#msg213774) -- Sonpari: Alphonso x Baneshan(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12971.msg164961#msg164961) |
Thomson (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221217#msg221217) | mid to late(REF) (http://) | -- The fruit is small fiberless and lemony sweet. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221204#msg221204http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221204#msg221204) -- Found out from and old article that the varieties ;' T-1' and 'Thomson' were seedlings that Paul T. took from Old Mango that was on the property when he bought the place in Vista. That old tree was called Edgehill because his property was at end of Edgehill street at the time. That's very cool that your saving some of those varieties hopefully will grow strong for you! Joe, there has to be a treasure drove of Mangos down in that area with all those people experimenting with them for all those years back when! Looking through the old F.G. I found out Orton H. Englehart registered a Ortonio avocado witch I had never heard of compared to Creamhart which I have heard of! (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6522.msg86475;topicseen#msg86475) -- Scott, Jim Nitzel told us last year that Leo took cutting from Mr. Thomson and Colonal Bucklew yards as well as other influential SoCal mango growers. They have quite a large selection that are not publish in the Fruit Gardener. For example, the Giant Rose is a large creamy, sweet, fruity mango with a peachy taste.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6522.msg86413;topicseen#msg86413) -- JF - thanks for the Peggy/Ultimate clarification. You guys speak so highly of Thomson mangoes, I wonder how much flavor improvement from the Manila? I like Manila but that's because they're always available.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3188.msg45205#msg45205) -- Thomson T-1 mango - according to Leo, Paul Thomson preferred this mango many times over his other commercialized cultivar, Thomson mango.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3188.msg44947;topicseen#msg44947) -- Thompson-(syn. Thomson Large Seedling) Origin Vista, Paul Thomson, 1966. Manila seedling, polyembryonic. Tree spreading, vigor dependent upon rootstock. Fruit small to medium, (6-12 oz.), yellow, shape flat, to eight inches. Resists mildew. High fiber under chemical fertilizer regime. Season early, long (September-November), ripens well indoors if picked prematurely. For coast(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3188.msg45088;topicseen#msg45088) |
Tomato (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221804#msg221804) | early (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221811#msg221811) | -- Tomato mango is one of the finest mangos in the area. Leo Manuel, Mango Professor and Jim Nietzel loved it! (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15460.msg197265#msg197265) -- The fruit is small and flat like a tomato. About the size of Anwar Ratol Manohar, strong , sweet, spice flavor with little to no fiber. This one was one of Jim Nietzel and Leo Manual favorite in 2013 La Habra tasting. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221782#msg221782) -- I had a tomato mango this morning quite a unique tasting mango....I really enjoyed it. Jim and Leo are lucky to have scion. (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=7307.msg95133#msg95133) |
Venus (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221218#msg221218) | late (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=14164.msg179262#msg179262) | -- Venus has a lovely flavor - really delicious - but it also has the same subtle spice element found in Maha Chanok.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16712.msg211887#msg211887) -- I got to try Venus. The flavor is unique. At first I called it "perfumey." But it's actually more like rose or rosewater--at least the ones I sampled from a famous wholesale nursery in Lake Worth.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16042.msg212842#msg212842) -- Venue should be considered as a top choice for two reasons. It is an excellent mango and it is late season. It does eem to have a compact growth habit, very good production and fruit are on the larger size (the three best late season mangoes IMO in terms of taste and production are Venus, Honey Kiss and Beverly).(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16042.msg204056#msg204056) -- Venus - superior ZINC seedling - yum! (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=16992.msg215433;topicseen#msg215433) -- Venus was mostly rich, sweet, funky and cola syrupy. The chalky taste was very faint, if I tasted it closely comparing it to Zinc it was there, but probably wouldn't notice it unless reviewing. If it gets better when more ripe or later in the year then i am looking forward to the next one.Great tasting mango.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.msg209341;topicseen#msg209341) |
Villa Seņor (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221219#msg221219) | mid-late (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3188.msg45088;topicseen#msg45088) | -- This is a Socal variety, very underrated, nice flavor.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2699.msg38071#msg38071) -- I've grown this mango two blocks from the ocean in south Ocean Beach in San Diego. Villa Senor is an excellent mild mango, beautiful sweet yummy mango flavor, beautifully strong skin(not a weak skin), beautiful orange flesh, low fiber, no diseases on the fruit, no disease on the leaves. Light brown new growth. I grafted two seedlings that I planted from seed from store bought mangos of whatever varieties, with the Villa Senor in the late 1990's. The seedlings were about 7 years old already, didn't produce any worthwhile fruit as seedlings. However, in 2009 I had them both taken out in due to redevelopment. Bonita Creek Nursery has one of them, which they're using for scion propagation. A super basic easy growing problem free mango with basic beautiful flavor.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2699.msg44655#msg44655) -- Mild may be "perfect" for some people. its all about personal taste. there will probably never be a "perfect" mango, because of different preferences. I would rather have a mild, sweet mango that has a creamy texture, and nice aroma, than an intense variety that is grainy. I like Kent and Glenn which are have been labeled "mild". and that's another point, mild to one person may be strong for another, I have even seen Keitts described as Mild, I wouldn't call those mild. and what is it that classifies a variety as mild? just weak flavor, or low acidity? or low aroma? I mean you could have a variety that has good mango flavor, but may be low in acid and aroma, and to some that may be considered mild. then there are those that like that resin turpy flavor, and use that as the scale of what is mild or not.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2699.msg38261#msg38261) |
White Pari (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221220#msg221220) | mid and late (REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221656#msg221656) | -- I agree that the Indian Pari shown in the website is a little weird looking with the pointed end. But the Pairi/Pari/Paheri should all be the same...according to literature that I have read. I have been researching the origin of the Pirie mango for some time...since the Hawaiian Pirie (and White Pirie) are my favorite mangos. The Hawaiian Pirie is a descendant of the Pairi/Paheri of India. Likewise, the Bombay is also a seedling descendant of the Paheri from India. So that's why I am so interested to see if MangoFang's Bombay is similar in taste to the Hawaiian Pirie. To the best of my knowledge, nobody in SoCal other than MangoFang has a Bombay.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8771.msg112831#msg112831) -- The obvious fact that the WORDS "Paheri", "Pari", "Pairi", and "Piri" are linguistically related ("pear" and "pera" may belong there too), does not mean that mangoes bearing those words in their names are the same or similar varieties. So 'Paheri' (Bombay), 'Son Pari', and 'White Pari', should not be confounded.(REF) (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg221708#msg221708) |
This chart needs to be taken for a grain of salt for one reason, trees can have differing characteristics and results when grown in different locations (Florida, California, Arizona, etc.), so what may be accurate for a variety grown in Florida may not be the same elsewhere. Also kerp in mind if top we orking scions onto true mature trees, none of the above may apply.
This chart needs to be taken for a grain of salt for one reason, trees can have differing characteristics and results when grown in different locations (Florida, California, Arizona, etc.), so what may be accurate for a variety grown in Florida may not be the same elsewhere. Also kerp in mind if top we orking scions onto true mature trees, none of the above may apply.
This chart needs to be taken for a grain of salt for one reason, trees can have differing characteristics and results when grown in different locations (Florida, California, Arizona, etc.), so what may be accurate for a variety grown in Florida may not be the same elsewhere. Also kerp in mind if top we orking scions onto true mature trees, none of the above may apply.
So true. We have a lot of mango growers in Texas which has a shorter growing season than S. Florida. So, call me crazy, but I'm putting in Sweet Tart in the greenhouse after pulling a Rio Red grapefruit tree that is not very productive.
I hear that Sweet Tart is a moderate grower and a rather smaller tree for Florida growers? True or not?
That table is very nice. The fact that it includes input from various members really helps. You should put it in a google document (eg, a spreadsheet) and just have members update it on their own.
Tomato mango is another compact little mango tree. A mature Tree is 8 x 6.5 . The fruit is small and flat like a tomato. About the size of Anwar Ratol Manohar, strong , sweet, spice flavor with little to no fiber. This one was one of Jim Nietzel and Leo Manual favorite in 2013 La Habra tasting.
Mother tree
25 years old
Sweet Tart was listed as a "compact grower" in zill's price list, but my experience has been that it's upright and reasonably vigorous.
Tomato mango is another compact little mango tree. A mature Tree is 8 x 6.5 . The fruit is small and flat like a tomato. About the size of Anwar Ratol Manohar, strong , sweet, spice flavor with little to no fiber. This one was one of Jim Nietzel and Leo Manual favorite in 2013 La Habra tasting.
Mother tree
25 years old
Thanks JF! Wow, for 25 years old that is really staying nice and compact! I updated the master list, and added a page and table entry for the Tomato mango!
I was the poster who said the Mallika tasted like carrots; and they did one year. However, in subsequent years, if they are picked at the right time they are some of the best mangoes I've had. However, they are finicky on when to be picked, and if picked too early/too late can have a carrot taste or fizz grape soda taste (overripe). I would not ax the tree we have.
Val Carrie has a carrot taste?? Huh? ???
Val Carrie has a carrot taste?? Huh? ???
Said here http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.440;wap2 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6398.440;wap2) Don't shoot me I just play the piano downstairs
This is a natural dwarf, it's an alternate bearer heavy one year very light the next and early season mango in Socal (August). I have one graft on a cocktail tree and it's doing great. Only drawback is that's very susceptible to powdery mildew from March to June.... I've seen it lose it's entire crop. I told the owners that sulphur applications are absolutely necessary however they've ignored it and paid the price.
I was the poster who said the Mallika tasted like carrots; and they did one year. However, in subsequent years, if they are picked at the right time they are some of the best mangoes I've had. However, they are finicky on when to be picked, and if picked too early/too late can have a carrot taste or fizz grape soda taste (overripe). I would not ax the tree we have.
When people describe the tomato mango as having a spice note to its taste, is that a euphemism for turpentine? Thanks.
Rob, I know you said Frances Hargrave is a slow grower, maybe good for pot culture...would you consider it worthy of this list of compact growers (like Maha and Pickering in the sense that they can be kept small, but may one day get large if left unchecked)?
Only had one FH fruit and it was slightly overripe, but it had a great flavor IIRC
Rob, I know you said Frances Hargrave is a slow grower, maybe good for pot culture...would you consider it worthy of this list of compact growers (like Maha and Pickering in the sense that they can be kept small, but may one day get large if left unchecked)?
Only had one FH fruit and it was slightly overripe, but it had a great flavor IIRC
Possibly another to add to the list ? :)
When people describe the tomato mango as having a spice note to its taste, is that a euphemism for turpentine? Thanks.
No spicy is a distinct mango flavor. It can sometimes be combined with a turpentine (which I would describe as piney [pleasant] vs resinous [unpleasant]).
There are quite a few mango flavors that people tend to describe (and some of the will happen in lots of combinations in some mangoes):
- Classic: Overall sweet mango flavor like in Hayden or Kent or Manila
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There are other descriptions too (and the real connoisseurs will discern those), but I would say these are the basic categories.
Rob, I know you said Frances Hargrave is a slow grower, maybe good for pot culture...would you consider it worthy of this list of compact growers (like Maha and Pickering in the sense that they can be kept small, but may one day get large if left unchecked)?
Only had one FH fruit and it was slightly overripe, but it had a great flavor IIRC
Possibly another to add to the list ? :)
If you wish to add Rudiett is a natural dwarf
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18899.0 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18899.0)
Irwin does well as a greenhouse mango in Japan.They grow them in greenhouses because outside is too cold. They really like the color of it so they have reflectors to color it up all around and shade hats to keep each fruit from burning. I think greenhouse is the technique although they must have mad pruning skills. Who knows if Irwin is really dwarf. If they can bonsai a redwood, I bet pruning any regular mango into a dwarf is no problem.
I don't know about their growing techniques. Possibly considered trade secrets?
Thanks for the responses all! So it sounds like while Irwin might make it onto the list for growth rate, it might not make the cut as a 'high-quality' mango. I was reading some more reviews of Irwin and many people say it is a pretty mango but very underwhelming flavor wise.
Not dwarf/compact nor decent quality here in Florida.
I am surprised Graham is not on the list since it supposedly is a smaller mango. Not sure on the taste of them though.
How would you compare the flavor profile of Graham with the flavor profile of Carrie?
How would you compare the flavor profile of Graham with the flavor profile of Carrie?
Both crappy. Wouldn't grow either but that is just my opinion. If i were growing to sell the fruit, its a no brainer, Carrie. Carrie is loved by many.
wslau,
Thanks!
Rob,How would you compare the flavor profile of Graham with the flavor profile of Carrie?
Both crappy. Wouldn't grow either but that is just my opinion. If i were growing to sell the fruit, its a no brainer, Carrie. Carrie is loved by many.
Ha! I was looking for something a little more constructive / descriptive than "both crappy" :)
Are they both resinous / piney? (the way Carrie is). Are they both fiberless / super-soft texture? (the way Carrie is)
Gave my carrie tree away. Dug it up and planted it in a buddies yard and put in a fruit punch instead.
Lost a year but the too soft Carrie had to go and I needed the room for better tasting fruit imo.
Gave my carrie tree away. Dug it up and planted it in a buddies yard and put in a fruit punch instead.
Lost a year but the too soft Carrie had to go and I needed the room for better tasting fruit imo.
well-done! 8)
How tall could a carrie and maha chanok be reasonably kept?
Gave my carrie tree away. Dug it up and planted it in a buddies yard and put in a fruit punch instead. Lost a year but the too soft Carrie had to go and I needed the room for better tasting fruit imo.File this one under:
Gave my carrie tree away. Dug it up and planted it in a buddies yard and put in a fruit punch instead. Lost a year but the too soft Carrie had to go and I needed the room for better tasting fruit imo.File this one under:
Life is too short to be stuck w mangoes you don't like.
+1 ... interested in hearing about maha chanok
Very impressive tree when loaded with these exotic looking mangoes.
The Mahachanok is not vigorous at all. In fact, when young in can be a little slower growing. Over the years, with proper pruning, it can be nicely kept at 12 - 15 feet.
The Mahachanok is not vigorous at all. In fact, when young in can be a little slower growing. Over the years, with proper pruning, it can be nicely kept at 12 - 15 feet.