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I probably shouldn't offer an opinion since I have no experience with dehydrating mangos, but having tasted other dehydrated fruit, my guess is that the flavors DO NOT hold up that well through the process.  Too many chemical changes.  Too much degradation.  Only guessing, though.
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Agree. I have eaten few dozens of varieties of peeled and sliced dehydrated mangos of specific cultivars and they were sweet and tasty but lacked the taste of eating a fresh mango and the taste of a particular kind or cultivar. I have also eaten dozens of different types of sun dried pureed mango pulp which is stored in slabs as thick as 1CM.  Prune vs Plum! But of course the dried dehydrated fruits are obviously sweeter per gram of weight than the fresh fruit. Triphal

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Lots of ways, use your imagination.
In many cases people apply for legal permits which are granted and they move the product.
In other cases select material goes in the mail or in peoples pockets to wherever.
When or if the U S Agricultural Department requests you where you got this present cultivar of tropical fruit plant which is not grown or imported as per their records they can easily find out from where, how and when it was brought to U S by verifying their records.  Because we need (1) a permit to import that plant (2) a phytosanitary certificate from the country of origin (3) While brought to U S soil you need the Customs and Agriculture officer's approval and plant quarantine for certain period before it is released to the traveler and importer!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions about ground cover
« on: November 15, 2020, 10:36:37 AM »
Hey thanks for info. So I am at 17.6 latitude it says, and my house is 9 meters above sea level. https://en.climate-data.org/asia/vietnam/quang-binh-province/phong-nha-36984/ that will be the weather and rain fall, but note that that site and many say the temp stays at 35c or below but in the five years I have lived here the summer months have had weeks and weeks of above 40c daily. Generally a shit ton of rain from Sept to Dec, with massive, flooding rains in oct and Nov.
Hope the Typhoon has not affected you. You are better off planting any ground cover.  Heavy mulching with leaves 2 feet around the posts. Control watering during summer and dry seasons. Ideal for drip irrigation so that the water doesn't reach the surrounding unwanted areas where weeds can cause problem. Moderate watering only as black pepper doesn't like flooding nor stagnation. Make a routine of pulling the weeds around your plant base as soon as the rainy season ends. Also after harvesting the peppers. Fertilize as recommended by your Agricultural Department and I am certain that you get subsidized fertilizers for your crop as Viet Nam is the No.1 exporters of Black Pepper in the World. Since you say ginger does well in between you could plant cardamom which belongs to the same family, brings high price but only starts yielding from the third year. Triphal

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions about ground cover
« on: November 14, 2020, 10:27:44 AM »
Typhoon headed and centered South of your way. Hope you wouldn't have any floods. Black pepper and all Gingiberaceae do not like flooding. Take care.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions about ground cover
« on: November 11, 2020, 12:10:01 PM »
I mentioned because of the personal experience in still trying to get rid of the Mimosa pudica  ( both thorny and thornless varieties) weed problem in a multi fruit farm in lowland tropics in Zone 13b.
To answer about ground cover please let me know your 1. Latitude 2. Elevation above sea level 3. Annual rain (Precipitation)per month and 4. Average temperature High and low each month. OR as per the USDA zones which one you fall in? Then only I will be able to get some practical solution for your scenario through some experts FROM THAT PARTICULAR ZONE for you. But not from the mainland United States where we have no such TROPICAL weather. By your description you are somewhere around 17 degrees North Latitude.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions about ground cover
« on: November 10, 2020, 04:48:21 PM »
Vietnam has real tropical weather. NEVER USE MIMOSA species as ground cover. Aggressive, invasive weed will hamper your ecosystem and extremely hard to control it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indian Jujube varieties ?
« on: November 06, 2020, 05:38:35 PM »
I am growing what may be a new variety with large fruit. It's also supposed purported as "thornless", and as it is not completely thornless, if you compare it to any of the other jujubes i've seen, I guess you could call it that.  It's heavily fruiting and flowering now, so I'll know shortly if its something special.  On another note, I've never seen a tree grow as fast as this....It's almost unbelievable. I planted it as a 12" tall stick in February, no leaves or branches.  It is not 8-9 feet tall, 6-8 feet wide, and must have 100+ fruit on it and countless flowers. We are talking 8 months
Please note that you have to stake the tree and branches with the weight of the fruits.
There is a Thai and similar Taiwan cultivar of Z. mauritiana around 2" slightly oblong tastes like a big crabapple. It is called Thai or Taiwan apple. All varieties of 'Jujube' fruit in the first year of planting. You have to keep an eye growth of plants sprouting at the base of the trunk and canopy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What to do with pawpaws?
« on: October 31, 2020, 09:52:57 PM »
When the night gets longer, the deciduous trees shed their leaves and goes DORMANT. There is no growth at that time. So I understand your point that whether you can grow inside your heated house during cold / winter season? I do not think so. They need chilling during the dormant season. I have no personal experience on this question. You could take them into your non-heated garage and put 4" of mulched dry leaves over the potting soil. Good luck.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What to do with pawpaws?
« on: October 31, 2020, 04:32:01 PM »
1.Paw Paw should be discussed in Temperate fruits section. 2.Temperature is in the 30s in Faifax county VA. since 2 nights. 3. PawPaw seeds need stratification in cool temperature for about 2 to 3 months before germination. So the seeds you threw last year got stratified during the winter and in mid spring this year sprouted into seedlings. 4.Since you really want these plants to be saved for next year this is what I recommend from my personal experience of many decades in PawPaws.
 You can keep the plants in your unheated garage in those pots, make sure you mulch it with deciduous leaves. Since this year's growth in completed by now you do not have to tranfer the seedlings in a different deep pots now. Transplant it in the ground in mid spring making sure that the hole is deep enough so that the roots including the main tap root is not let crowded. Use the same soil and NO FERTILIZERS. Make sure that it is SHADED FROM DIRECT SUN LIGHT FOR THE NEXT 4 (FOUR) YEARS OR SO. Also make sure that it is properly watered as needed.
Since there are many creeks in and around Reston (personal experience) the water table will be high and so good for the PawPaw trees and tap roots will easily reach there. Good luck.

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Banganapalle. Tastes superb while green and raw also.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Requesting Breadfruit varieties from USDA
« on: October 28, 2020, 10:10:00 PM »
Artocarpus altilis is breadfruit with smooth skin and no seeds. But the blunt spiny skin is Artocarpus camensi a seeded variety of breadfruit called breadnut. Both have traces of latex mostly in the skin.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant/fruit ID?
« on: October 23, 2020, 04:37:16 PM »
Report to the moderator.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bael fruit.
« on: October 22, 2020, 08:58:02 PM »
Oscar you are right about the long spines/thorns of Bael-trees through couple phone calls about our trees. It was 15 years or so ago that I last saw Bael-trees. Thanks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Music helping plants grow?
« on: October 21, 2020, 10:41:24 AM »
Reminds me of the snake (defanged cobras) charmers with 'Been Pungi' / flute music! And also the mongoose and the cobra duel.
About 20 plus years ago I kept a radio tuned on to the then new kind of noise like 'Rap', 24 hours a day in my vegetable garden with only some success of deterring the ground hogs initially. After couple weeks they started to enter the garden again seem to be ignoring the 'Rap' noise! So I removed the radio.  Same with the rabbits.
Each species of snake emits a certain specific scent and you may need many dogs to pick up each different scent. For taipan, cobra and others and have each dog's specialty!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bael fruit.
« on: October 18, 2020, 04:16:46 PM »
The blunt woody spines are unlike the sharp thorns we see in Zyziphus jujuba or some citrus varieties et.al. and they look like remnants of old broken twigs from the trunk. Bigger and older the trees are lesser are those spines on the trunk. The blunt spines are somewhat similar to same sized Flacourtia jangomas anf Flacourtia remontchi/indica.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Music helping plants grow?
« on: October 17, 2020, 06:04:35 PM »
But I remember hearing the 'whistling' of a Russell's Viper when I was in Primary school. We were told snakes don't have vocal cords. And this deadly viper while hissing occasionally creates pharyngeal tones. But there is one variety of snake with vocal cords.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bael fruit.
« on: October 17, 2020, 05:52:25 PM »
Bael tree roots spread all around 30' or so. Many plants from the roots emerge. I have propagated few root originated plants for few people from Bombay 15 years ago or so. Please note that I am not soliciting any business but only telling you that the best way to propagate bael plant is from plants growing from that tree's roots. You propagate root plants after the monsoon season is over. Bael trees grow very well in the Deccan and the coasts. Like Oscar mentioned the fruits I have seen there are smaller than the ones you published. I do not remember consuming the fruit nor the juice so can't comment on it.
Please check about the possible TOXIC EFFECT ON THE LIVER after consuming bael fruit too often. PM sent.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bael fruit.
« on: October 17, 2020, 04:22:09 PM »
A relative brought a bael fruit a couple of weeks ago from North India where it is usually grown. Ive been trying to get a grafted bael tree for some time but its not available in or even around Mumbai. Its grown here mostly for the leaves so not propagated by grafting. Also the fruit size here is very small.

Unripe fruit. This was the smallest of the lot. The bigger one rot away when we were waiting for it to ripen and didn't keep an eye on its progress. It was twice the size of the one in picture in diameter.



After ripening.



The insides.





Since the pulp was full of fibres, its best consumed as a juice. The pulp on the inside of the shell can be scooped with a spoon and eaten directly. But I find the juice more appealing.



Tried to germinate the seeds in moist toilet paper and most of them sprouted. Now I have an excess of these.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Music helping plants grow?
« on: October 16, 2020, 03:35:20 PM »
 Crotalus adamanateus is among the 25th in line for the most poisonous snakes in the world. Down Under has 21 of the most poisonous snakes out of that 25 list and will put our 'rattler' to shame! Triphal

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Music helping plants grow?
« on: October 16, 2020, 09:05:41 AM »
E tu MikeT?  The Tropical Fruit Forum is now 'stripped' to uncover it's bareness from Down Under! Triphal

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Music helping plants grow?
« on: October 14, 2020, 04:54:32 PM »
It was Amanita muscaria aka 'Fly agaric'. Gautama (Lord) Buddha was a historical(non-fiction) great soul died after consuming Amanita muscaria aka 'Fly agaric'. His familiar boatman requested him to stay overnight in his home on return at the ferry and he will cook his favorite dish. This is where he died of 'Mushroom poison'. I had the privilege of discussing this subject about 40 plus years ago with the scholar on 'Mushrooms' Robert Gordon Wosson of New York. He has told me that it is unfortunate that our colonial writers have used to suppress and tarnish their conquered country's people, their culture, religion and the civilization so that they can still remain in power! I am fortunate to have read many papers and books by the late Gordon Wosson and also the historical (non religious) ancient history of the World. Thank you and nice to know your interest in the presence of 'consciousness' in plants and mushrooms. Incidentally mushroom is like us, a consumer!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Music helping plants grow?
« on: October 14, 2020, 03:10:52 PM »
2500 years ago after a sermon by Gautama (Lord) Buddha where he advocated non violence towards all kinds of animals, birds, fish, insects et.al. and pointed out that they should not be consumed as food. After the sermon his well learned disciple Ananda asked his teacher "Lord. Don't the plants and seeds have no life?". His teacher had no answer nor reply but turned his head and gazed at the Sun! Triphal

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Music helping plants grow?
« on: October 14, 2020, 09:59:43 AM »
 Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose, a biologist from Calcutta, India was a pioneer in plant's consciousness and sensory feelings. In his lab Sir Bernard Shaw a pure vegetarian was stunned to see a cabbage shivering like convulsions from minute amount electrical stimuli. I was told this in my school days 7/8 decades ago. later I was lucky enough to read 2 of his books on this subject. It will be of interest to your query. Triphal

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Papaya on a screened in porch
« on: October 08, 2020, 06:45:58 PM »
Sorry. To start with Papaya ( Carica papaya ) is a tropical plant and it should be in the Tropical section of this Forum.
'Paw Paw'(Acimina triloba) is a temperate plant and is not Papaya. PERIOD.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Peach not ripening properly
« on: October 08, 2020, 04:42:30 PM »
Sorry. Peach is not a tropical fruit!

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