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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 16, 2021, 11:58:27 AM »
You are not going to find many or any. Yucatán produce the most something like 500 tons that’s commercially. There few backyard trees over the city and the rural area in the Yucatan o
Península  but nothing like nances, mangos, caimito, sapotes etc ..maybe Raul or someone else  that lives in the west coast can chime in

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 15, 2021, 09:28:29 PM »
Quote from: Guanabanus on September 15, 2021, 07:58:33 PM
When I visited Yucatan several times decades ago, small regular sugar-apples were called Saramuyo in Merida.  Go a few towns down the road, and names will be used differently.  It it has been popularized now to call just big-fruited varieties that there, or here in the USA, fine.

The big special fruits were then called "injerto."  Though this word should mean "graft", the conversations seemed to be about hybrids.
These looked similar to what is being called Giant Yucatan, and similar names here on the forum.  We used one that we called "M-1" in breeding trials.
We were always up front about not knowing its classification: strange sugar-apple, other species, hybrid, or ancestral form.

The hybrid here are called saramoyos and INIFAP has a large selection of top tier saramuyos in the rescue station which are commercially propagated all over the Yucatán peninsula. The smaller fruits which are easily recognize as sugar apples are called anonas or chirimoya. Here is a pix of a sugar apple tree and you can contrast the leaves with the pix above  in the field station.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 15, 2021, 06:17:52 PM »
Quote from: BestDay on September 15, 2021, 04:25:38 PM
Is the Yucatán Titán Rojo, a sugar apple?  Or is that also a Saramuyo?

Thanks,
Bill

Yucatán Titán Rojo Is a saramuyo but I have red and green sugar apple also




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 15, 2021, 02:54:02 PM »
Mayans have been selecting saramuyos for eons like the Inkas with cherimoyas. Unfortunately saramoyos ,like canistel and many other native fruits, has loss it’s status but they are trying to make a comeback with the government saramuyo rescue project.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 15, 2021, 12:18:51 PM »










This is in the rescue saramuyo station

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 14, 2021, 09:39:05 PM »
No it’s not an Atemoya you have no idea what yr talking about.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 14, 2021, 02:36:01 PM »
No. This is a sugar apple (annona squamosa) x custard apple ( annona reticulata) and custard apple( .reticulata) x sugar apple (a. squamosa)….. no annona cherimola

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 14, 2021, 12:16:50 PM »
Hi Bill
You are correct SA x Cherimoya = atemoya
Saramuyo = SA x CA plus CA x SA it’s called anona in Yucatán both hybrids

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 13, 2021, 12:28:24 PM »
Rambutan season in Yucatán


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 13, 2021, 10:06:56 AM »
Yucatán Titán Rojo….this make the big red that I grow look like a newborn in diapers


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 11, 2021, 01:19:05 PM »
Quote from: gozp on September 11, 2021, 12:25:15 PM
I have a few seedlings that came from JF that were straight from Yucatan. One of them have a different set of leaves which is the photo below!

Thanks JF for your efforts on introducing these new varities that are limited here.




Thanks Gozp, how are yr other hybrids fruiting in PI? Any pix?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 11, 2021, 10:05:40 AM »
I hand pollinate all my annonas, can they set fruits on their own? Yes but to increase yield you want to HP. Saramuyos are compatible to all those annonas you mention,

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 10, 2021, 08:05:26 AM »
I had this conversation in a thread with Har a few years ago and we believe they are not true to seed. Since, I’ve fruited grafted and seedling Giant Yucatán in La Habra CA and I couldn’t tell the differences. I have 6-7 varieties ,1.5 year old seedling saramuyos, growing right now in CA and they’ve bloom this year….trees are too small to hold, maybe next year. Another added bonus is they are as cold hardy as cherimoyas and atemoyas in La Habra where sugar apples struggle.  Do a search in the forum on saramuyos and you’ll see the leaves totally different of any sugar apple. Saramuyos are supremely delicious as good as Aussies atemoyas and California cherimoyas. You can also see the leaves on my Instagram.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 09, 2021, 08:16:32 PM »
Har has said a lot of things about Saramuyos but I happen to live in Yucatán and they are hybrids and 10x better than any sugar apple I’ve tasted.



Here are 1.75lb beauties as good as any top top we cherimoyas

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 07, 2021, 03:08:26 PM »
Quote from: elriba on September 07, 2021, 02:37:18 PM
Saramuyos are sugar apples, right?

These are varieties you brought from Yucatán?

According to a video I saw on youtube, famous annona expert Har explained that Sugar Apples are indeed originally from the East Coast of Mexico.

Regards!

No, saramuyos are hybrids SA x CA and yes they are endemic to the Yucatán.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 07, 2021, 02:08:23 PM »
Quote from: roblack on September 07, 2021, 01:43:00 PM
How about some fruit!?

In 2 years when they start producing in SoCal. I’m in Yucatán now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 07, 2021, 01:06:56 PM »
Yucatán saramuyos and sugar apples. In October I will have wood and seeds for sale. These are “ the most delicious fruits known to man” quoting mark Twain after he tasted a cherimoya, unfortunately he never tasted a saramoyo….








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: californian cherimoya
« on: September 03, 2021, 10:24:29 PM »
Quote from: albert84 on September 03, 2021, 02:48:32 PM
hello, and thank you very much for yours answers. for the weather, K-Rimes and JF you are both right :

in my specific area of Marseille at 30 km of the sea, the weather is much colder than north california, cherimoyas outside would die for sure, because in my area even citrus outside die some winter (-8/-9°C). but as K-Rimes said, there are some specific area (french riviera, Menton, Perpignan) very close to the sea where there are no frost days and where you can grow citrus, avocado outside. but unfortunatly land is very expansive in those area.

Hi Albert
I know there might be a microclimate in la Côte d’Azur but one of my cousins lives in la costa brava sitges and he has not succeeded with cherimoya…..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: californian cherimoya
« on: September 03, 2021, 11:20:59 AM »
No they are not fine … and don’t go by 9a growing zone marseilla is 43.50 latitude vs 37 San Jose California.  I have cousins in Barcelona, which is much more milder than south inland marseille, and they’ve failed outside many times. Keep it in the GH

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: californian cherimoya
« on: September 03, 2021, 09:34:12 AM »
Our winter average temps in SoCal is 70 high low 50. Only a handful of times does it drop below 40’s. Southern France is even cooler than Northern California. I would suggest you keep it in the GH for winter or it will die.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Flamboyan tree (Delonix Regia)
« on: August 01, 2021, 12:29:12 AM »
They grow and bloom like the tropics here in La Habra. Ricardo’s nursery in Long Beach  has lots for sale. They should replace every crappy jacaranda and magnolia street trees in Orange County.












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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Illama germination
« on: July 16, 2021, 02:02:18 PM »
It takes weeks not month in a green house or during summer. I sold hundreds of seeds to a FL buyer after one month in winter here is the results.







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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Should I boil rain or well water?
« on: July 04, 2021, 02:04:25 PM »
Spend 70,000 pesos on a filtering system go to acuaclyva  and forget about boiling water

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breadfruit survey
« on: June 27, 2021, 04:54:44 PM »














Here is castaña they are all over the Yucatán peninsula propagated in a few nurseries rarely seen in the fruit markets. I’ve had them with seeds and without both excellent for frying or in soups as the call it here

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Ott Mango under appreciated?
« on: June 22, 2021, 10:55:03 PM »
Quote from: bsbullie on June 22, 2021, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: JF on June 22, 2021, 01:35:56 PM
This is Julian Lara’s favorite mango. This variety was selected by William Ott from La Habra CA. He also culled Ott cherimoya ( back in the 1940’s ) a top tier moya to this day.

Frank, you're alive!

Hi Rob I’m down here in the tropics will be back to the states in a few weeks..

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