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Himalayan Papaya??
« on: January 10, 2017, 03:25:24 PM »
I met this guy who has these trees.  I will attach photos.  It is also male and female plants.  The seeds of the fruit resembles pawpaw / papaya seeds.  It fruits about 3 years after germination.  He calls it himalayan papaya or malay papaya.  If you taste the fruit in a certain way, it almost taste like papaya.  What is it really and what is the botanical name?  I would like to read more about it.










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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2017, 03:38:23 PM »
That's amazing, bite size papaya skin an all.
Got a picture of it cut open. seeds specifically :)

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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2017, 03:58:44 PM »




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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2017, 04:03:25 PM »
Wow! Doesn't even look like Vasconcellea let alone Carica papaya. Not sure what it is, but I hope you find a name. I'd love to grow some bite-sized fruits like these.
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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2017, 04:32:48 PM »
this is Carica quercifolia

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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2017, 04:36:52 PM »
Thank you so much!  We were on google, looking for it for a few hours now.  This is the best forum in the world. Thank you.

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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2017, 04:37:52 PM »
i did some research a while back
and found Vasconcellea is not necessarily the closest relative to Carica/papaya.

more info here...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3881347/

in
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Caricaceae
 Jarilla, Carica, Vasconcellea, Jacaratia, Horovitzia,  Cylicomorpha

 

there are a few Jarilla
this one is Jarilla chocola
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+0111+0308

this one is
Caricaceae Jarilla heterophylla
http://www.phytoimages.siu.edu/imgs/Cusman1/r/Caricaceae_Jarilla_heterophylla_78975.html

that said, it looks to be (i think)
Vasconcellea quercifolia
or, maybe a hybrid... there are lots of them around.
http://www.ufrgs.br/fitoecologia/florars/open_sp.php?img=292

i was hoping it was Jacaratia

Jacaratia Spinosa looks to have a nice fruit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jacaratia+spinosa&rlz=1C1PRFC_enUS711US711&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiH-MmQwbjRAhUEJCYKHXeOB4wQ_AUICCgB&biw=1088&bih=483

although the fruit itself seems similar to this...
(the leaves look different, but, cant find a clear pic)
Vasconcellea chilensis
http://especieschilenas.blogspot.com/2011/10/el-papayo-silvestre-vasconcellea.html

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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2017, 04:47:47 PM »
i did some research a while back
and found Vasconcellea is not necessarily the closest relative to Carica/papaya.

more info here...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3881347/

in
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Caricaceae
 Jarilla, Carica, Vasconcellea, Jacaratia, Horovitzia,  Cylicomorpha

 

there are a few Jarilla
this one is Jarilla chocola
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+0111+0308

this one is
Caricaceae Jarilla heterophylla
http://www.phytoimages.siu.edu/imgs/Cusman1/r/Caricaceae_Jarilla_heterophylla_78975.html

that said, it looks to be (i think)
Vasconcellea quercifolia
or, maybe a hybrid... there are lots of them around.
http://www.ufrgs.br/fitoecologia/florars/open_sp.php?img=292

i was hoping it was Jacaratia

Jacaratia Spinosa looks to have a nice fruit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jacaratia+spinosa&rlz=1C1PRFC_enUS711US711&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiH-MmQwbjRAhUEJCYKHXeOB4wQ_AUICCgB&biw=1088&bih=483

although the fruit itself seems similar to this...
(the leaves look different, but, cant find a clear pic)
Vasconcellea chilensis
http://especieschilenas.blogspot.com/2011/10/el-papayo-silvestre-vasconcellea.html

Fascinating, but I think Miguel is correct about this being Carica/Vasconcellea quercifolia. Hopefully trade winds restocks soon.
The hardest plants to grow are often those most worth growing.

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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2017, 05:05:14 PM »
How that's a tiny fruit!
I was surprised it was a Carica seeing that it takes 3 years to fruit. Most papayas I know of take around 9 months! Are there other Carica species that take so long to fruit? I'm no papaya expert..
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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2017, 08:17:18 AM »
It might be less than 3 years. 3 years is how long the guy told me it will take to fruit. I planted some seeds just now. Will see how it goes.

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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2017, 12:49:46 PM »
I planted a few seeds of this one, they took a little longer to germinate than papaya usually does but they grew fast. 6 feet tall and flowering at about a year from seed going in the ground. I've been told fruit quality is variable in seedlings.

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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2017, 07:51:20 PM »




Ahhh thank you for the picture, this is amazing.
Those seeds are so big for such a tiny fruit.

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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2017, 06:51:48 PM »
I planted a few seeds of this one, they took a little longer to germinate than papaya usually does but they grew fast. 6 feet tall and flowering at about a year from seed going in the ground. I've been told fruit quality is variable in seedlings.

Where did you obtain your seeds?
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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2017, 07:15:55 PM »
I planted a few seeds of this one, they took a little longer to germinate than papaya usually does but they grew fast. 6 feet tall and flowering at about a year from seed going in the ground. I've been told fruit quality is variable in seedlings.

Where did you obtain your seeds?
Where do we get these seeds?

Fixed :D v

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Re: Himalayan Papaya??
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2017, 03:23:48 AM »
At a local fruit farm, they had one or two for tourists to try

 

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